{"conversationCode":"491-025","tapeNumber":491,"conversationNumber":25,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-491-025","startDateTime":"1971-05-05T15:31:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1971-05-05T15:33:00.000Z","startDate":"5-May-1971","startTime":"11:31 AM","endDate":"5-May-1971","endTime":"11:33 AM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Nixon, Thelma C. (\"Pat\") (Ryan); Cox, Tricia Nixon;","description":"On May 5, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon, Thelma C. (\"Pat\") (Ryan) Nixon, and Tricia Nixon Cox met in the Oval Office of the White House from 11:31 am to 11:33 am. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 491-025 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"OVAL","recordingDevice":"Oval Office","latitudeEstimated":38.8974,"longitudeEstimated":-77.0374,"chronCode":1,"chronRelease":"First Chronological Release","chronReleaseDate":"5-Oct-1999","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 491-25\n\nDate: May 5, 1971\nTime: 11:31 am - 11:33 am\nLocation: Oval Office\n\nThe President met with Thelma C. (“Pat”) Nixon and Tricia Nixon; this recording begins at an\nunknown time while the conversation is in progress.\n     Oval Office\n          -Appearance\n          -Windows\n               -Views\n\n**********************************************************************\n\n[Previous PRMPA Personal Returnable (G) withdrawal reviewed under deed of gift 11/19/2019.\nSegment cleared for release.]\n[Personal Returnable]\n[491-025-w001]\n[Duration: 55s]\n\n       Schedule\n             -Boat\n             -Unknown man\n\n**********************************************************************\n\nMrs. Nixon and Tricia Nixon left at 11:33 am.","filename":["491-025.mp3"],"tapeStart":"04:08:40","tapeEnd":"04:10:11","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Nixon, Thelma C. (\"Pat\") (Ryan)","Cox, Tricia Nixon"],"prevCode":"491-024","nextCode":"491-026","transcript":[{"start":0.03,"end":20.68,"text":"It's just, look at the living in here, you know?"},{"start":20.7,"end":22.1,"text":"You see, now you walk in this door, where all of the visitors come in."},{"start":22.12,"end":22.64,"text":"And now, look at the room."},{"start":22.66,"end":23.24,"text":"Before, it's closed in a bit."},{"start":23.26,"end":23.98,"text":"Now, it's got a great feeling to it."},{"start":24,"end":24.4,"text":"It is, that's right."},{"start":24.42,"end":25.74,"text":"See, now you wouldn't see people walking on outside either, right?"},{"start":25.76,"end":26.24,"text":"There's a lot of people."},{"start":26.26,"end":26.48,"text":"Sure, I do."},{"start":26.5,"end":27.28,"text":"There's always somebody walking around."},{"start":27.3,"end":27.74,"text":"No, no, never outside."},{"start":29.29,"end":52.05,"text":"Okay, we'll see you later."},{"start":52.08,"end":52.17,"text":"Okay."},{"start":52.2,"end":52.92,"text":"Want to come to both of you tonight?"},{"start":52.94,"end":53.04,"text":"Okay."},{"start":53.06,"end":53.26,"text":"Very much."},{"start":53.28,"end":53.48,"text":"We'll see."},{"start":53.5,"end":53.7,"text":"Very well."},{"start":60.66,"end":82.94,"text":"He's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like, he's like,"}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon hosted Pat Nixon and Tricia Nixon in the Oval Office to discuss the aesthetic and functional updates to the room. The conversation focused on the office's new layout, specifically highlighting the improved atmosphere and the changes to the window views that obscured public foot traffic. The brief meeting concluded with the participants confirming their plans to meet again later that evening.","topics":["Oval Office","Interior Design","Pat Nixon","Tricia Nixon","White House Atmosphere"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T22:04:42.490Z"},"topicSlugs":["oval-office","interior-design","pat-nixon","tricia-nixon","white-house-atmosphere"],"audioDurationSec":90,"audioFiles":[{"file":"491-025.mp3","bytes":3594240,"durationSec":89.72,"bitrate":320494,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:48.990Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/491-025.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/491-025","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/491/conversation-491-025","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}