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Another point I think you would make is the policies in the last two years are leading us into a period of stability.

There's an all-in as to, you know, I think you can use the term, you can go a little too fast on anything.

Yeah, and you could say that the government policies, that's the other thing, government policies have been disinflationary.

It is our fiscal policies, and they still are.

That is, they're still responsible as long as we don't exceed the O1 budget.

the wage and prime spot can also be inflationary.

Therefore, at a time when government is being responsible, we in business and labor should be responsible.

Good luck.

Thank you, sir.

What do you do on a day when you aren't tired of busy?

I do a lot of things.

Yes, that girl who was here, she's going to advise him to go to jail.

I was going to ask you one question.

When I said Princess Grace Rainier to me, we talked about that at one time.

I just want to determine that with you.

The first one is that this is a real hanging flag.

I'm going to give you the real hangings if you will.

This is a tribute to Will Hayes, who just wrote a very mild letter against the Vice President.

I don't know who the hell he is.

Dr. Will Hayes of Santa Barbara?

Yes, sir.

I just wanted to get from what Brother Sagan has done.

Have you ever worked on a campaign or something?

Well, we've done it at a club in the back of Will Hays in the town of Granville.

That's where it all came from.

Well, I thought we'd do .

. .

That's what we'll say.

And he doesn't worry.

He doesn't always worry.

That's the funny thing about Colin.

Of course, you know, he's much more ambitious than the others.

On the other hand, he doesn't worry about whether he's going to look bad next month.

Yeah.

Or whether his prediction is wrong or this or that.

It's up against the ball.

He realizes the main thing is to be up there and try to get it by contraction.

That's our real problem.

Most of our people sit down and cautious in the house and the Senate.

They just want to make sure they don't look bad.

I think a lot of our people are like that.

I guess we're all in the same boat.

You know what I'm saying?

And they never make all that difference.

They never make a lot of difference.

I make less than perhaps anybody because I'm extremely careful.

But if people are worried about this or that, they're good.

They're good.

But you've got to get out there and crack it now.

You've got to say something that's very certain.

And I think that's what I like.

I like to be aggressive.

You don't want to be stupid.

That's it.

That happens sometimes.

That's it.

It is.

What the hell is he doing?

I don't see him in the paper.

He was in today.

He was out somewhere in the Revenue Chair, which is why you don't see him in the paper.

He's on his phone.

He's trying.

That's right.

You don't see anybody in the paper in the Revenue Chair.

It's true, however, it isn't going to make a lot of difference to people.

People just don't understand what salt is.

They don't understand the art of race, really, except in the very...

They want to close their terms on iron cementation.

We're not going to build it again.

It'll be a peace move.

You know what you said?

No, I agree with you.

I don't think...

on the poll business.

We'll poll tonight and get the demonstration stuff.

I think we've got to work on a draft.

I think we've got to put out.

This makes a pretty good point that I think it's worth getting out now.

This is a pretty good point.

The popular notion that 7 out of 10 Americans won out of Vietnam in 1971, regardless of the consequences, turns out to be both false and misleading.

That's one result of the latest survey of national opinion taken last week by the Australian Research Corporation President of Jersey.

Well over half the American people opposed the December 31, 1971 deadline for withdrawal, if that withdrawal means a communist takeover of South Vietnam.

By almost seven to one, Americans oppose any year-end withdrawal that threatens the lives of sacred American Christians at war.

The polls clearly show that Americans' faith in ending our involvement in the war by the year's end

but not at the expense of our prisoners and not at withdrawal means of communist takeover.

By 72% to 18%, Americans support, quote, support President Nixon in his plan to hand over the Southeast Asian.

From these surveys, the following conclusions can be drawn.

First, the American people, by an overwhelming margin, approve President Nixon's plans to end the war in Vietnam.

Second, support for the Congressional plan for ending American involvement by December 31 is razor thin.

Faced with the possible consequences of the Congressional plan, such as the Communist takeover, public support for the Congressional plan almost evaporates.

Third, while the American people will support almost any plan that promises to bring an end to the war, they will support no plan that either jeopardizes our prisoners or results in a communist South Vietnam.

Fourth, the belief that three out of four Americans wanted a December 31, 1971 deadline for troop withdrawal is a misleading myth, a myth that dissolves when Americans are asked about the possible consequences of that policy.

Who do you think?

I don't know if ORC will buy it exactly that way.

They may have to modify it a little bit because it's pretty editorialized.

But we can get all of those points.

I think we need to get out in a poll that has no bearing on demonstrations.

And then we'll see what the demonstrations do.

I really want to get a hold of the real, I can't emphasize too strongly, you gotta get the names of Democrats, Democratic leaders, it must be personally,

Take it to the address to look, I want to show it to you, and I want to read it, and I want you to read my words.

Take it around.

Do not just mail.

And to key people, let's get the goddamn thing around.

I don't think we brokered the polls well enough.

I know what I mean.

It's no one's fault.

I think the worst one would actually say, well, let's get it in the paper.

That doesn't mean anything.

Or mail it to their offices.

That doesn't mean anything.

The bastards don't read what they get in their offices.

Do they, Bob?

He doesn't.

What I've been trying to do is get rid of that 73% Gallup figure, because that figure writes all the time, and it's been expanded now where they now use it to say 73% of the American people won out of the war.

The war is opposed by 73% of the people.

How about the thing with Gallup?

If we get this, then we use this point with Gallup.

I'm trying to get the other points also.

I don't think they'll use the term men, so you probably won't understand, but we'll try.

They might, but it's exactly what it's written.

Instead of men, they might say a distortion of figures, or something like that.

It's a misleading distortion, which is awesome, right?

Interesting.

We could use those words.

We could pick up their release and then write a top sheet on it.

Top sheet.

Let us make an experiment with the names, the numbers, the names and numbers of all of them.

Yeah, unless we always do that.

That's a god-damning, that's a god-damning, pressing quote.

But we've done this three times now, so we know the figures are right.

We know the errors.

I know that at Gallup, they did the same thing.

They did the same principle.

Yes, you know the figures.

The very fact that I've mentioned it after a press conference is still a point that would do many false points that I've made.

Even the support of the President on the war, his ruling of 49-40, which ain't bad, considering the fact that everybody wants to get out of it.

And what it shows is that still the majority believe that that's what you're doing.

But if you put it in terms of, if you put it in terms of you support President Nixon's plan, then the word goes to 60%, 70%.

72.

The code word is End The War.

Ms. Plantey, End The War.

That's right.

And I'll guarantee you that if they went out and said to you to support, uh, Sandy Jones and Ms. Plantey, End The War, you'd probably be good to go.

Yeah.

Anybody.

They supported Ms. Plantey, End The War.

Good.

Great.

Fire.

So, we'll take a stab at that.

Great.

That's great.

A strong suggestion is that you've approved Gateway East, which is this federal land thing.

Gateway East?

Yeah, Gateway East is going to go to the hill on Wednesday.

When do you go up there?

Once you go up there on Monday.

Dr. Floyd Bennett Field helicopter.

to the area and return employment and come back and re-extend the thing.

The argument being that this is a, you know, a park that will be visited by 20 million people a year, which is three times as many as visit any other part of town.

And therefore, as a big... Well, can we avoid it?

Can we do it without a significant demonstration?

No problem.

Yes, because you land at Floyd Bennett Field.

No problem there.

Get in a helicopter and ride over the area and return to Floyd Bennett Field.

Oh, I don't stop.

You go to the Senate.

You tour with Rockefeller and KDL and, you know.

Oh, good.

Let's see.

They have ones, yeah.

Next time.

I just did the two governors.

I think the governors.

Maybe take Raj Morton and the Senate in Chicago.

If that negative ride over the area, then have the press take pictures of it.

This is a way of good formalizing a thing.

It's a short trip.

We can fly for it.

Leave at 10 in the morning, be back at 1.

Of course.

And, uh, it's a way to get out.

Another way to get out in the country without getting out in the country.

We're, we're playing that game very well.

Do you want to include something to play?

Don't include it.

Right now, do it.

And it is, it's both Long Island and New Jersey, just the government.

So I got my son in Rockapole, and we just had Rockapole in, I like Rockapole, and Rockapole in the jail.

And the, uh, no, no, God, no.

It gets too many people, that's right.

Martin should go, right, Martin?

Yeah.

You know what I mean?

They don't have a damn thing to do.

In other words, doing it case by case, if you know it's going to be a good shot, you know what I mean?

Right.

It's going to be something.

And then Nick should come in.

But come right in with him.

I'd like to get a poster shot of him or something.

But he should walk right in with him.

So it appears that he's part of it, not just sort of...

I think the feeling that he feels already, and I think, too, the feeling that the people here, is, well, who the hell is that ball?

Secret service or something.

Maybe I have an order to send something on it, but I don't...

I think it would be better to wear it that way.

Now, if I have something that I think is, I can tell if there's something that I need to leave, then let's do it.

Well, and if afterwards you have something that we didn't have something in and you think, you, you, I'll tell you.

Do you think we should tell us and we'll pull it off the tape if we can get it?

Otherwise, we don't want the tape as a curse.

But nobody will know.

We'll go back and pull it off the tape.

Otherwise, all these papers will be filed.

They are saved in place.

Yeah, they're not done.

But he can get a picture of where it is on the tape.

I'll just run back and pull that off.

And we would like you, instead of the State Department, to see our ambassador to Bolivia, who is here.

Consultations.

Sir, if you didn't see him when he left for Bolivia.

And he gave a good speech defending our foreign policy.

I know.

Because of the tin business thing.

I'll say it.

He's the one that I pulled up off the floor of his room.

I said, hey, ask me already.

He said, why don't you tell our ambassadors?

We've got to decide here, at least consider whether you want to consider at all doing that NATO conference on cities in Indianapolis.

No.

On May 28th.

which is our audience primarily, is that you created the committee and suggested a conference.

Internationally, it's good politics for you to attend, since cap and officers from NATO countries will be there, as well as provincial and local officials.

I say it was good politics because it underscores shift of priorities to domestic-urban problems.

You turned NATO into more than just a military group.

Pretty bipartisan on leading Democrats there.

Good high road.

And we've got more than a presidential trip for mayorality stuff, political trip.

And to talk about shifting priorities.

There's going to be very big press coverage of this by all the networks, BBCs, Canadian and all that.

Today's show is coming to the end.

Don't do the speech.

The speech is next day.

So no, the speech is Monday.

Apparently not.

The race is Saturday the 29th.

This conference was timed for these people to be there.

And if you do a speech there, it will go and tell us our coverage.

I don't care about that.

I don't care what it's going to be.

The fact that Estelle started around the world and becomes a man in the U.S., it'll be a big event.

If you do it, you've got to say something.

I know everybody's concerned about his parents being domestic predators.

I know a lot of people that are not that big concerned about it, except in terms of jobs.

I think jobs are the cause for it.

Others don't agree.

Jobs are the cause for all the assignment.

They mull it around because they run with the side.

Which you don't know about.

Now let's face it.

I ran a question on it.

Jobs, modern society, and all that sort of thing.

Oh, well.

Let's go ahead and develop a theme at all.

I mean, consider it.

And they say, why don't we do something like this?

It starts at 10 in the morning.

The problems are at the beginning.

You shouldn't go to the beginning of it.

You should go at the end and present the trophy.

You should go for the last half hour, 45 minutes, watch the last laps, and then go down and give the trophy to the winner, which is the

That's a good picture.

But he's just, and I suppose the person I used to date in the morning got to figure that on any trip at this point, Bob was going to be related to our, this hypersensitivity with regard to, you know, even though whenever we, you know, were in an house before we had some chemistry, we'll have some now.

And the only question is, is it good to,

It's good to give the press to write that story, a chance to write that story rather than this story.

I don't think the problem is too great.

And the track, you've got a few.

You're probably too bad there.

Indiana, it's so important.

Why are you watching Indiana?

Why are you watching Iowa?

Somebody's smart.

Sort of feel it out in terms of, well,

Yeah.

Or maybe 28.

We might.

The only thing I can see positive for the lifetime is about the heat.

I see.

Yeah.

Well, we've got salt.

We'll add it then.

We're going to get it now.

What do you think, what do you think about L.A.'s, what about Joe Kraft's, I hear a lot of questions about Nixon.

I have Joe Kraft right at hand.

I think so.

There's a lot of, I don't know who they have here, you know, to vote against people because of that.

I don't know if somebody didn't get along with the Russians.

Those people aren't going to vote for you.

Actually, I've been kidding on people into thinking we were going to vote for the Russians.

If you do that, one thing you ought to consider is that it piles up a substantial amount of travel time, doesn't it?

And what then matters?

Oh, you're in Florida.

Texas the weekend before.

Yes.

NATO thing that weekend.

And Tulsa the weekend after that.

And midway if you go following that.

I think it's great.

What the hell?

And Trish's wedding weekend.

What the hell wrong with that guy?

I think it's good.

It's clearly business.

Sure.

We're not doing it.

The other problem is you've got that puppy retirement dinner which is in Indianapolis a month later.

Sure.

I agree to do that.

Yeah, but I don't think you have to.

it's not very presidential unless there's just a possibility you're on your way back to california that that will just stop you there in the way i don't think that's bad if you just you know kind of pushed in that way

Just hop in like we do to the White House Correspondents, you know, give them a little wave and say hello.

I'm not going to go to another vendor in my life where I said, here, don't you agree?

Not anything.

I'm the Al Smith.

You should.

You're better off not to.

Okay.

I take the name of the vendor.

Well, I think that you spend two or three days to get a good feel of it.

Yeah.

I realize you can't retail.

I don't know if that could be a problem.

I don't have any idea that you're going to run into so much trouble in Des Moines.

But I'm not concerned about the trouble, except that I don't particularly want it to happen right now.

See?

Yeah.

I don't want it to happen right now.

I don't think going to a racetrack is too heavy.

That's such a big race.

You know who are the lowest class of people in sports?

Bowlers.

Have you ever heard of anybody in your set bowling?

They're all there, they're all there.

There are a bunch of very bad and tough people.

So racing is still the reason.

The more we're racing, the more we're buying, buying, buying, buying.

But you see, my point is, yeah, so with race car drivers, at least they're very normal, you know, shall we say, masculine type people, aren't they?

Yep.

And they sure are.

Come on, you.

They go after blood.

Like the people who go to the box office.

And certainly those drivers are all, the big stars are all nice and tidy.

They're mostly Italian.

Just that Andy Granatelli will love them.

I don't know.

I mean, the Atlas, which is...

I mean, I thought that... Well, provided we... Well, the trouble is, it's not the older night.

How about, how about thinking instead of a Saturday?

The other thing, you just go to the beginning of the race and then leave.

But that just got off.

There's got to be at the end of the race.

I wouldn't know at the end if it was under trophy.

I have to call up and check to see whether any presents are not there.

That's another thing, too.

This thing, anyway, Bob, I want you to show some normal, interesting middle America, especially that kind, you know, because that's baseball and football, football, both kinds, like others.

It's just like we went to the Kentucky Derby.

This is the Kentucky Derby of auto racing, which is the biggest sport in the United States.

It's getting huge.

I don't know.