Conversation 493-003

TapeTape 493StartThursday, May 6, 1971 at 9:00 AMEndThursday, May 6, 1971 at 10:00 AMTape start time00:13:19Tape end time01:01:43ParticipantsNixon, Richard M. (President);  Haldeman, H. R. ("Bob");  White House operator;  Sanchez, Manolo;  Ford, Gerald R.;  Butterfield, Alexander P.Recording deviceOval Office

On May 6, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon, H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman, White House operator, Manolo Sanchez, Gerald R. Ford, and Alexander P. Butterfield met in the Oval Office of the White House from 9:00 am to 10:00 am. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 493-003 of the White House Tapes.

Conversation No. 493-3

Date: May 6, 1971
Time: 9:00 am - 10:00 am
Location: Oval Office

The President met with H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman

     President’s schedule
          -”Salute to Agriculture” May 7, 1971
                -President’s remarks
                      -Length

[The White House operator talked with the President at 9:10 am]

[Conversation No. 493-3A]

[See Conversation No. 2-103]

[End of telephone conversation]

     President’s schedule
          -”Salute to Agriculture”
                -President’s remarks
                      -Length
                -A briefing
                      -Clifford M. Hardin
                      -John N. Mitchell
                      -Rural revenue sharing
                -Lunch at State Department
                -South Lawn exhibit
                      -Possible remarks by President
                -Dinner at White House
                      -Number of guests
                -President’s role
                      -Remarks, toast
                -Dinner
                      -Glen Campbell
                      -Toast
                            -Farmers’ wives
                      -Hardin
                -Farmers
                      -Public attitude

     Supersonic Transport [SST]
          -Upcoming vote
          -Gerald R. Ford

     President’s schedule

          -George Meany
               -Possible breakfast
          -Business Council
               -George P. Shultz
               -John D. Ehrlichman

     Lobbyists
               -John B. Connally’s suggestion
         -Sugar
         -Administration staff
               -Shultz, Peter G. Peterson, Peter M. Flanigan
         -Sugar
         -Oil
         -Lyndon B. Johnson [?]
         -Charles W. Colson
         -Administration staff

     Prisoner of War [POW] wives
          -Henry A. Kissinger’s contacts
                -Major General James D. (“Don”) Hughes

Manolo Sanchez entered at an unknown time after 9:10 am

     [Unintelligible]

Sanchez left at an unknown time before 9:20 am

     POW wives
        -Kissinger
             -Hughes
        -A press conference
             -Effect

     Lobbyists
         -Colson
               -Possible work
         -Contributions
               -Connally
               -Lee R. Nunn
               -Colson
               -Nunn, Herbert W. Kalmbach

               -Colson, White House staff
          -Milk fund
               -Colson
     Vietnam War
          -Upcoming vote on end the war resolution

[The President talked with Ford between 9:20 am and 9:26 am]
[Conversation No. 493-3B]

[See Conversation No. 2-104]

[End of telephone conversation]

     SST or end the war vote
          -Defense Department [DOD]

     Washington, DC demonstrations
         -A possible poll
              -Possible questions
              -Timing
                    -Another poll [?]
              -Release
                    -Congressmen

[Transcript #1: A transcript of the following portion of this conversation was prepared under
court order from December 1978 through March 1979 for Special Access [SA] 8, Ronald V.
Dellums, et al. v. James M. Powell, et al., No. 71-2271. The National Archives and Records
Administration produced this transcript. The National Archives does not guarantee its accuracy.]

[End of transcript]

Alexander P. Butterfield entered at 9:38 am

     Dinner, May 5, 1971
          -Drinks
          -Dress
          -Drinks

Butterfield left at an unknown time after 9:41 am

[Transcript #2: A transcript of the following portion of this conversation was prepared under
court order from December 1978 through March 1979 for SA 8, Ronald V. Dellums, et al. v.
James M. Powell, et al., No. 71-2271. The National Archives and Records Administration
produced this transcript. The National Archives does not guarantee its accuracy.]

[End of transcript]

          -John A. Volpe
          -Hardin
          -Connally
          -Cancer program
               -President’s review
               -Staff
               -President’s commitment

Butterfield entered at an unknown time after 9:38 am

     Dinner, May 5, 1971
          -Drinks

Butterfield left at 9:41 am

     Programs
          -Breeder reactor
               -President’s role
          -Administration’s role
               -Publicity
          -Commerce Department
               -Peterson, Maurice H. Stans
               -Staff

[Transcript #3: A transcript of the following portion of this conversation was prepared under
court order from December 1978 through March 1979 for SA 8, Ronald V. Dellums, et al. v.
James M. Powell, et al., No. 71-2271. The National Archives and Records Administration
produced this transcript. The National Archives does not guarantee its accuracy.]

[End of transcript]

     News
         -President’s reading
         -Network news

                -Story on the economy, May 5, 1971
                -Washington, DC demonstrations
                -Story on the economy
                     -Position of the dollar
                           -Germany
                           -Length
                           -Willy Brandt
                           -Germany
                           -Shultz
                           -President’s advisors
                           -Peterson
                           -Flanigan
                           -Shultz
                           -Paul W. McCracken
                           -Paul A. Volcker
           -New York Times, Washington Post, Los Angeles Times

[Transcript #4: A transcript of the following portion of this conversation was prepared under
court order from December 1978 through March 1979 for SA 8, Ronald V. Dellums, et al. v.
James M. Powell, et al., No. 71-2271. The National Archives and Records Administration
produced this transcript. The National Archives does not guarantee its accuracy.]

[End of transcript]

     Vietnam
          -Vietnamization
               -Rowland Evans and Robert D. Novak column, May 6, 1971
                      -Effect in Congress
                      -North Vietnamese military action
          -Casualties
          -Missing in Action [MIA]
               -Release of figures
                      -Stanley R. Resor’s office
                            -Timing
          -Casualty figures
               -Comparisons
                      -President’s statement
          -Administration accomplishments
          -A network news story
               -Arrival of a veteran

          -US withdrawal
               -Rate
          -Draft
               -Kissinger
               -Colleges
               -Kissinger
          -Negotiations
               -Kissinger
               -President’s offer
                     -Timing
                     -Possible reply
                          -Kissinger

     “Salute to Agriculture”

     Meetings
          -A commission

     Federal Reserve
          -Position on budgets

     President’s schedule
          -Meetings
                -Arthur F. Burns
                -Commissions

     Publicity
          -A May 5, 1971 story

Haldeman left at 10:00 am

This transcript was generated automatically by AI and has not been reviewed for accuracy. Do not cite this transcript as authoritative. Consult the Finding Aid above for verified information.

I'm trying to figure out whether they expect a major statement tomorrow or just a brief remark.
No, of course.
Just so that I don't know.
They just want to welcome him and get out of here.
You know, I made a speech last week.
As he's trying to say, he's trying to put together remarks that should not be a speech.
Do you know?
Call me when your turn is.
Okay, I just want to know what they .
The leader of the fact that the administration is including agriculture, what would we consider agriculture to be?
We're glad you're here.
Now the briefing during the day, the discussion that they're going to have when you open, when Secretary Hart opens it, very briefly,
Uh, it will include a law and order briefing by the Attorney General.
Uh, what would make very good would be that an indication of what they're going to, other things they're going to have, and I can discuss that as a morning call.
So, and Omni has a rural revenue sharing thing after lunch.
They have lunch at the State Department.
How many of them are coming to dinner?
And then at 3 o'clock they come to the South Lawn.
I don't make a speech then.
You have nothing to do with the South Lawn.
You do that this morning.
That's all you do with the South Lawn, Jeff.
What about the dinner?
How many of them come to the White House for dinner?
Yeah.
I'm not completely clear.
We've got to get all that together.
That's good.
I've got a thing in mind.
I just speak once.
And I say, I told you at the dinner, I'm not going to get closer to the dinner.
I'm just going to welcome you.
You see the point?
I can't do it twice.
I can't, is that right?
I can't remark to them twice, and then they go through the same stuff.
So we know closer to the dinner.
Just get up and say, well, go ahead now.
We're going to have entertainment at the dinner, aren't we?
Yes.
Well, yeah, well, yeah.
Uh, what you might want to do at the dinner is the thing you do all the time to get off the hook on those is toast to Barnard's Lines, which...
They're white.
That's good.
I just want to pick my mind.
She don't give a flip.
Is that a card?
I don't know what it is.
I don't know what it is.
I don't know what it is.
I don't know what it is.
I don't know what it is.
I don't know what it is.
I wonder, is there some problem with that?
No, I don't think so.
He said urgency on some other specific other commitments to do money.
I believe so.
It might be worth seeing him.
Maybe he's leaving Monday this evening.
Come in Saturday morning.
Or, uh...
And I was wondering,
Of course, they're going to testify as smart as we've already shown them today.
But in the future, when we've got fellows like, you know, Peterson and Charleston, you know, non-political people working on this, and all we're trying to spy on is Flanagan or somebody, or somebody with political... Flanagan saw this and didn't catch the idea, of course.
I mean, I saw it, and I just want to go down there and find out what's going on over here.
talking to them.
That'd be a good one, wouldn't you?
You know what you need to talk about?
It's life or death for those bastards.
It's the same with the oil thing, you know.
The oil people say, you know, it's life or death.
But in the military, it's always done that way.
It's always done that way.
Now that's, of course, what Colson's been trying to do with those associations.
He's been a lawyer, maybe not, maybe he's the guy that, yeah, but maybe he's the guy that ought to be looking for it, because the other guys worry about the substance.
I'd say they do.
Rather than the benefit to us and the foreign policy in the room.
I talked to Henry McCormack last night, and I have a lot of reasons.
He brought up the fact that he had called in all the prisoners of war while he was there, and he'd been with me for a few years.
I didn't do that.
Yes, I checked it.
And the reason is that because they have met with him before, it will look to them as if we're pushing them away, if they don't meet with him.
That is what they do want you to do.
And they will buy, I want to be sure, first that a briefing should be given of Henry as to how to handle it.
Yeah.
By you, do you know what that means?
Just tell him that.
He takes advice well.
I didn't know which, I didn't actually try myself because I didn't know whether he was making up his own or whether this was something else.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Thank you very much.
Thank you very much.
Well, he isn't ineffective.
It's just that you can't rely on him alone to be effective.
But on the other hand, you can't let them not see him.
He doesn't exist.
He doesn't stand in the way of them.
Although there's a tendency to say that he's really going to arrive now.
I don't think he might fly.
I don't think he's going to arrive this time.
I think he's just fine.
Except I have confused him.
I realized I just thought he was going to level with him.
He must not have any pressure.
He did something that was too rough last time.
He had to say it.
Some of these are terribly sensitive.
The best way to get it across is to say this and that.
The fact that the press conference reassured him a great deal.
He certainly takes that tone and that temper and so on and so on.
Maybe Colson is the one who looked at those things.
I think he is.
That's what he originally came in here for, was to get the political mileage and the stroke out of the thing about the money, such of the things that we did.
Money fighters stole terribly.
You know, you've got to be so goddamn careful that I'm not bloodthirsty and look what I'm trying to do.
Commonly, of course, is that Ruthless is home.
I can tell you about anything.
Well, we need to do that now.
It's pretty good on the money side of that stuff.
You know, it's got to deal with those things.
And Henry, you can move the leak into the money.
I don't want Colson to harass anybody for money.
But Colson has to be alert to what's going on and then, you know,
I had a thought.
This vote next week that they may have in the war resolution, it now becomes imperative that not only do I have to vote again, but imperative that each individual member, they don't just read this paper, they just got to get it brought to them, hands held, you know, not specially delivered, not delivered to their homes, you know, all that sort of thing.
You know, on this SST thing, we're getting very close to hell here, for reasons that you know, but I want you to know that today I'm going to have Conley announce the... Now, I told him about it last night.
I said that we had this, and he was delighted, and he said, well, another way to play this game, of course, he's got us out.
He said, in the Senate, he said, Maggie and Sue Jackson
and a ton of cold turkey over here.
We're not going to go to Rocky unless you reload for SSG.
See my point?
Now, yeah, and that's where it's going to play out.
Now, second point is that, I know Eugene's going to leave town on me, but I'm going to try to get him in.
I couldn't make breakfast today.
My funeral ended up Saturday for him.
I couldn't make it.
I'm going to try to get credit, and I'm going to lay the books right to him.
On both, I'm going to put both issues, but I'm going to tell him that we may have an SST vote.
I can't be trusted, but is that all right with you?
Fine.
And on this whole thing, mind you, that you just get your nose down on anything that you can, if there's anything that we can do that only solves, I mean, there are various things.
For example, take a follow-up to Smitty.
Now, he ought to change his mind on this.
Lockheed is involved in this thing.
He just put it on the basis of his jobs and he says, I can't do it.
We can't get Lockheed in this.
They can compromise it.
I don't know if anybody will remember it.
Johnson can't be beaten.
If you could beat him, I've got to kill his grandmother, she's living, or his mother, she's living, or his wife, she's living.
But they do.
I know that district.
That's a district.
He was in the state legislature, Terry.
He had that district carved out for him so that nobody could beat him.
Frankly, it couldn't run anybody against Johnson.
This does not have nothing to do with that.
I'm waiting for your leaders not to go on.
It was just ridiculous.
So I think this is one time where I'm going to agree with Cole to talk to you about this.
Now, one is about 20 meters in length.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And then this now is an appropriation bill, which then goes to the Senate, so it will not go into the Congress.
It's not a matter of what they've got to go over, but it's something that the Senate cannot go over.
They have to work.
So if they go to the Appropriations Committee of the Senate, they got to go around.
Then they'll go to the Senate floor, and then if the Senate votes the other way, then it goes to the Commons, and then the Appropriations Committee.
So by God, we don't have to bring the Commons out of that, except we have to do it out there.
Well, let me say, I think she went in the house.
There's a reason.
I really feel I didn't want her to get out of the house and take off and so forth.
By now, on the other thing in this bill, why don't you let the vote take place on the end of the war resolution?
That's him.
She went and she won.
Yeah?
Well, if they're, if the boys, if they find this, uh, this, uh, this bold material that's coming out, something good or something, I've told them now to get a hand over to you, to us, and then you follow us.
You know, the way you take a poll, these guys don't read.
You've got to just go show them, you know what I mean?
Because these guys are on the wrong side of this issue now.
You see, the wrong side in this sense.
They all think everybody wants to end the war.
We all know that.
What they don't realize is that as far as the people are concerned, if you put the issues straight out, don't know if you want to end the war or turn it back your way to Congress, the people are against that.
See, that's the thing that we've got to get across to them.
So that actor must be trained against now.
That's right.
The whole group organized on it.
Now that's state defense.
If we get off their ass this time, get over there and work, okay?
I'm on the whole thing.
I want to be wise.
It's worthwhile if you were to run.
Say, were you aware of the demonstrations in Washington, you know, that, you know, ain't stopping the government from letting somebody down?
Say, if you're aware, do you approve or disapprove that, uh, then, uh, demonstrations?
Then, then I get to more specific, uh, do the remark.
We don't have too many, of course, just, I made it almost just so well on this point.
get it signed, do you approve or disapprove?
Not in the way we handle it, but why don't the government arrest them, you know, and prove the arrest by the Washington Police Department, you know, demonstrators who refuse to clear the streets and many of them, they have to implode it a little.
Do you approve or disapprove the sanction?
Or keep it?
There's ways that can be put.
In other words, if I can get the
of the way we handle demonstrations in terms of arrests.
I wish that, even though we had the questions previously, but in the two war questions, do you approve of President Nixon's plan to end the war, so-and-so, so-and-so?
And do you debate, even though that would mean
I think it might be worth doing this again because I think you have a very current, newsy type of thing to make it hot.
That's probably a good idea.
Unless the other one's already going to be printed.
It is, but that doesn't matter.
We should hold up on the other thing this morning for Sunday.
Uh, it hasn't gone out.
It won't go out until tomorrow.
It won't go out until then.
We can hold it.
I'm not sure.
Why not hold it?
I don't know.
Yeah, because you were going to say this one was the, huh?
If we do this, this will get the, the word, the demonstration reaction should be worse now.
So we've got to hold up on demonstration reaction and do this now.
And I would think it would be.
I think this would be around that war question anyway.
Yeah.
And the war questions ought to go more on our paper.
I wouldn't run.
Release this on Monday, release this on Monday.
That's all we need is a search engine.
We might be able to.
We didn't even get it for Tuesday's release, which is bad.
I mean, yeah, as long as they get it out, because then we can use the release even though that's a run.
You run it, and it's hungry.
Here's a release for hungry people.
That poll is coming up tomorrow.
The lead deal with the congressman is also going to have an effect.
You just get it out to them and say you can't tell anybody because it's not good for a money release.
Then they'll get it out.
Either way, you get this one.
It's not as good as you want it.
Yeah, I think it's worth doing this just to take aside how much this, my own, talking last night to Kissinger, he's, you know, running around, he's been in search and all that shit, but he says, he says, I don't know what the situation is like, I don't know, he says,
People are just totally outraged by what's going on there, and they're totally, they're just like, if you had a coal president, you'd support him, I mean, much higher, because of the furnace.
They like the furnace.
That was his reaction.
The whole thing is calls around, and apparently he told you the same thing.
I don't know to what extent, but at least he's running into the idea that people are pissed off at the demonstrators.
The idea that we're, you know, using your civil rights and so forth just is a question.
How, uh, are any views from the other side?
Do you hear any?
Just, just from the, I think, the very few, very vocal sources that you could predict.
I mean, the ACLU, that's their shopping trade.
It's not their development.
It's what they're there for.
And he did have a damn deal, and there were a lot of them praising him.
So Colson said that Teddy's thing didn't go as far.
He said that there was a staff member who was playing, that Teddy hasn't solved enough.
He says, Teddy's playing a very strange game, and he's out, he's disappeared someplace.
He was here, but he said he wasn't, and now he's gone.
He was out in Ohio.
He had a speaking engagement in Cincinnati and there was an inadvertent leak in calling his office where the girl said, oh, he may speak on that point.
He can't speak tonight.
And then a staff man on his office said, no, the senator is not speaking in Kent State.
100%.
Well, he had booked himself into Cincinnati, obviously, so that he could do Kent State if he wanted to.
And then was watching to see whether he wanted to do it, and for some reason decided he didn't want to and didn't do it.
Some of this is just clever as hell.
I mean, he played that second line.
His office thought he was going to do Kent State.
It's always good to play a certain way.
He's on one side of the day, one side of the other, so then he's playing all sides.
He's talking to our assistant solver.
I said, stop.
Stop the argument.
Pull him out.
I said, work out that.
I think we ought to do a little more.
But he didn't, uh, he didn't go in.
He can't stay.
He may just have, he may just have pulled it after I had to.
He's running it.
You know what I mean?
Enemies don't act without checking the wind.
Could be that that's part of it.
Great.
I had not thought you would make it over.
When Henry gets back, why don't you get him to see Howard Stein?
I don't want to change anything.
Jack Dreyfuss or another.
I'm so obsessed with the peace issue.
I mean, it's so Chinese.
Don't do it.
So it's gone a little bit further.
But I mean, what I'm getting at is that
call center or anything.
Of course, Jack Dreyfuss would be delighted to come in anyway.
My view is that, looking at this two ways, one, the purpose is to, is to Scott's, is to try to cool Stein off.
He's supported our opponents.
The other purpose is to set Dreyfuss up for maybe supporting
The driver's own personal feelings.
Pretty good.
And he said, why don't you put Finch when he gets back on that art of assignment thing?
Art of assignment means attention.
A lot of the things that kind of go right around getting too many bucks and all that sort of thing.
And then you hang over his head with possibilities.
I'm just going to have him here.
I said, yes, ma'am.
Yes.
But there again, it wouldn't be a bad idea to get that
Get Norton in to see Henry.
All right, bring him in.
See Henry.
Henry.
He says, all right, look what we're doing here.
We can't tell you.
You're going to look awful bad.
Norton's a tough one.
Believe me, he does look like Henry.
Just like Simon said, this is what we did.
Really?
Yeah.
All right.
Now, you arrange that.
And of course, it's in Henry's schedule.
He's so much more important to others.
Yeah.
A lot of people, he does see it.
Yeah.
These things, these three, could be enormously important to us.
You see, I have a feeling, it's not just, they'll not make a reaction.
I mean, people like Manolo and others, and other people say,
Who's paying for these kids to spend all this time on them?
Somebody is costing a hell of a lot of money.
You know that, right?
These demonstrations cost money.
They had Modern America.
They held some of our richest people.
They had to have about $5,900 a box apiece.
You know, it cost a million dollars.
It was a lot of money, and this thing took a lot of money, too.
In some ways, this was better organized than Modern America, as far as money spending was concerned.
So my view is, there's a lot of, we might be able to begin to pull some of the, and as Jewish, not for the most part, except for that crazy mob.
It's worth taking another poll on this one, you then shouldn't count like this.
makes it newsworthy and timely at the moment, rather than just, well, what do you think of this, and what do you think of it?
It's a new subject.
Then you throw the other into it, too, see?
That gives you four questions.
Getting down to four questions, I believe, or five.
If you go, or see, we can ask all the questions we want in different ways, and then only release those we want to release, et cetera.
No, we don't want to ask too many.
No, that's right.
You can only ask a limited number of them.
Can you do this on a one-night deal with $507,000?
Yeah, I'm not sure they can do $1,000 in one night.
On this kind of, I don't know.
Why?
I mean...
Yeah, well, they can take it and see.
Thursday night and Friday night, we have a Saturday.
We can give it a try.
I don't understand.
It's Monday morning.
I'm sure.
Right on the papers.
Really not.
It doesn't get, well, it depends on the balance.
Once in a while it gets a bunch of papers and sometimes it doesn't.
I don't think you can overlook it anyway.
The other one made the magazines and TV and everything else.
So you never know.
These people up here started getting shot in the house.
We did a good thing on this thing.
I see last night at College Park they had a demonstration.
Three college students came out to block the road.
And Mandel called up the National Guard and moved National Guard right onto the campus.
Bang, just like that.
Now there is an example of what you were talking about.
We've set the example here on how to deal with this stuff.
No destruction of classes.
They put a, Mandel put a curfew on from 9 p.m. last night to 6 a.m. this morning until all the kids get back in their closets here to get hauled.
Put the national, 500 National Guard troops on the campus.
And this is a little Jewish Democratic government who's moving in and doing this.
I'm doing it with, he was on the radio explaining it to me.
He had no waverings about what he was doing at all.
And maybe we should do a little search into some other people's bonds on some of this, too.
And that, if you get some credit for that, could do some good.
I don't think we're really going to get some stuff with them.
And as John wrote, it's been a very good handout that gets some people to think, well, we don't need to stop them.
We just don't have this.
Yeah.
And beyond a certain point, people get their confusions, their credulousness against the war.
answer is that no citizen has a constitutional right of freedom from arrest.
Constitutional rights don't extend to arrest.
The constitutional right extends to punishment.
There's harassment all the time with people who are later found not guilty.
That's what the whole legal system's about.
The one that's a reasonable, if a constitutional right is not to be held as unreasonable at the time or not to be tried.
He didn't get a fair trial.
He didn't get a fair trial.
And these people have not been held.
A lot of them have been let out without convictions.
But they've got a very good case on this whole thing now about Chief Wilson had to move in on this basis.
Do they have any kind of statistics with regard to damage done or anything?
Or are they good enough to use?
They have some.
They didn't do a hell of a lot of damage.
That was when you used the horrible examples.
That's the specifics.
There's also been a good thing building up, which helps in this regard, which is
a, uh, a taxpayer's role in the district, because they had to pay for all this, and they're talking about the cost of it, and the cost was high.
And, and police, and, and, you know, crews, emergency measures, and all that.
And, um, so the district taxpayers are paying for the cost of these people coming in.
So, a little area.
You got one in the laundry.
Oh, well, I'm going to come back.
related to what this kind of stuff costs.
They haven't given a dollar a day to start .
I don't think you should.
Wait, at one point we did this, it was going to be outside.
Now it's going to be inside.
I don't know whether she's ended up buying it or not.
I don't know.
If it is wine, it should all be domestic tonight, including domestic champagne.
No foreign wines.
Everything domestic.
If you can't have it, too.
This is a very old business.
Of course, if you say the cost...
so many million dollars to get a revolt, that would be great.
There's a fuss starting to build on the district residents because they pay the property taxes here that have to support the police force.
And one thing they may do is come to the Congress and ask for funding for this, which is a perfectly justifiable
And it's coming back to our candidate people.
Do you think we are, aren't we just tempting Bob to just temporize the whole thing because everybody's got a reason not to do it?
I mean, say, well, we can't let Bolshevik do it.
We can't let the pardon go and so forth and so on.
I mean, it's a, I get back to Congress more activist.
People are going, oh, look, God damn it.
You can't, there's not, you've really got to get going.
I look over at Kennedy's
I wish.
Too often, they're just sort of relaxed.
It's like the cancer thing.
How's that coming?
They've got a program they've got together for me.
I haven't seen much of that.
I don't know.
I've got to know.
I've got to see it.
I don't want them to do that.
And it's not something to appeal.
It's not something to appeal.
I'm taking it out of that goddamn NIH.
I want a cancer program.
I'm going to get the next cancer program.
Get me a man to do it.
How's that?
Yeah, there it is.
I'm going here.
You know, I know the whole game, and I think, well, it's going to wait a little while.
Forget it.
I'm not going to forget this.
I'm self-serving.
It's black time.
I'll show you all the missing ones.
It's going to be easy.
Otherwise, we'll spend it with the other person.
Mm-hmm.
The same way the Breeder Reaction thing was presented, they said, well, we've already got enough money in there.
We should rehab a set of programs.
Let's move it over there with the other so on and so on.
And I said, no, we've got to do it.
We can find out at any point in the program and get a little credit for it.
And our thing is exactly the same thing.
Everything we do is done in a workmanlike, bureaucratic, dull, uninterested way.
And that's what carried it back to the cabinet.
I'm sure one day we'll go get Peterson over there and send him to John.
It's just the ideal of that, I think.
I don't know about God, but it stands as one thing for Peter.
He can make it in the fall.
He can make it anyhow.
He might be a sinner.
He might want to go out and take a couple months for a sobari or something first.
He's very big on the journey.
He's not a good one.
He shouldn't be sighted.
I had Peterson move probably that quickly considering it would be a very important staff job.
Paul's really timing it out, but then if we could start, if we let Peterson know, he could start building towards it.
Let Sam know, and so on and so forth.
That's a good point there.
Somebody just might start.
Well, they started letters to the editors and stuff like that.
Right.
Yeah.
Great.
And a lot of reaction, which shows the importance of just the little things.
A lot of reaction to that new guy at the Capitol that people were really upset about.
What do you mean?
I didn't know they were at the Capitol.
Oh, yeah.
The guy stood up on the top parapet on the House side of the Capitol steps.
took off all his clothes, and just stood there like this, just hanging there with his balls hanging out.
Wake up, full view, another guy next to him with a Vietcom flag, and they made a big point of both of them.
Washington Post has a picture of him on the front page this morning, with a little black square covering up his vital parts.
And they said, the photograph was retouched.
But they couldn't get anybody through the line.
It was on TV.
They had a guy.
He said the police would let people through the line to tear down the flag.
I said, well, it's too bad.
No, somehow we got it busted.
Hell, they wouldn't.
They wouldn't let congressmen through the line.
They wouldn't.
They hit Dell in the stomach from the club.
He said it was false.
He said, if I'd been a white guy,
And Mondale, I guess, had stopped.
Yeah, Mondale's lying, too.
He hit the police.
Mondale hit the guys and said, get out of my way.
I'm the United States senator.
That's how they're getting credit for it, isn't it?
It's hard and so forth.
They're very, very angry, right?
Yeah, they were talking about one senator who was standing there, one of the peacemakers, shaking his head.
He was very discouraged.
He had a...
There's so much harm to the whole life.
I mean, to build it, it kind of deserves some call.
We are all trying to get it out.
Did you see the reverse column on the veterans thing?
He did it well.
He did a huge job of making it apparent.
for a while now.
But I do read that all the time when I read the first page.
And that's all you need to know.
There isn't a hell of a lot more to me.
There's a good deal of it from that.
And there's really a ton of help on that.
The basis of it, on TV last night, was the economy completely overrode the European, and Germany in particular, which I'm not questioning.
I read bacon food and gave you the whole dollar.
It was that contract that came on with the lead on and on for 10 minutes.
Nobody knows anything about it, so they all went on and they didn't.
It was spirited.
They didn't know anything about it.
Our people don't know anything about it, including Willie Brown, who was trying to figure out what to do, and they had no money.
Well, they can't blame us for it.
They can't do it.
They've got to do it.
The Germans get to, you know, have themselves, well, they'll squeeze them hard, but right now, too, they shouldn't.
They're the cause of it.
You've got to watch.
He tried to, but I didn't bring him in.
He was in one direction, and I was in another direction.
And, of course, Schultz was in another direction.
McCracken was in another direction.
All that much I'm just keeping it.
There's a lot bigger play here.
Painters here, particularly, are obsessed with painting.
The other times, as occurs on the left side, Washington Post has a door-to-door banter every day.
Yeah, that's actually a Los Angeles secret.
That was the thing he thought about every day.
Right.
Screw this guy.
Sorry.
Well, I'll tell you what.
We handled these people and this guy well.
I'm glad we arrested him.
I'm glad that also ended up in Toronto.
Back when we got that shot.
Yeah.
The success of Vietnamization and the collapse of North Vietnamese morale and capability, were they out there?
No?
got some report from somewhere.
And they extended this to help a column that we're going to get around.
We're going to use that up on the Hill.
Because that can be effective in Congress.
Because they believe that it's a no-back.
And they use them when it's against us.
So we might as well use them when it's with us.
It was interesting because there was a North Vietnamese attack on a... See, they're attacking civilians now.
This is another interesting story that's developing.
At least the line that's being played is that they have the capability to mount military action against South Vietnamese or American military.
So they're now moving to undefended civilian villages.
The Home Guard in those villages has been successfully able to repulse them even on those attacks.
They're breaking the casualties because of the screwing down.
Because of that MIA.
Well, they're not that worried about it.
Now, let me tell you, they say, well, they didn't want to change the reporting like they should probably do.
Now, if they had those MIAs, and actually they'd have collected over a period of months.
Why?
I just put a message up here.
I said, this is just a coincidence.
It's a figure to put off and leave it for demonstration.
I'll lend you money.
There's some son of a bitch in preacher's office.
Some son of a bitch in that office.
They moved a letter and they decided that at this time, they'd put him out.
You could have taken 25 months, maybe 25 the next week, you know, to give it a proper.
And what'd you do?
They did me 51 minutes.
Because we weren't missing.
See, my point is that they didn't all miss this one.
They didn't all miss him one week.
And therefore, we don't all have to catch up in one week.
Why in the hell, there's never, no reporting procedure that says a backlog is not an impairment, is there?
Correct.
Most of you are alive.
Why can't you say it?
Did they announce it?
Is it all within our practice on the week of May the 7th?
To have all the backlogs put out?
Not what the hell are we talking about?
Most of your assignments, only in your practice.
It could have been done.
Fine.
No, I mean, if this doesn't sound right, they could have done it in 10 weeks or the next five weeks.
Wow.
And that, one of our actual fields was only 17.
Okay, we should be down now.
All right guys, it's only 17 this week and it'll show us 68.
Then next week, we should be about 15 here, son.
In the end, that was going to be bad.
I don't think he was going to notice much until this week.
Well, anyway, since we didn't still have what it was a year ago, so what I've said is our cash flows are going to see.
You can always only compare a week with the same week, the same year, because of the season, if I remember right.
And so now, and your thing was just superb on that, what you decided a year ago, two years ago, three years ago, four years ago.
Done, right?
Wonderful.
that one bit that one sets up.
The same one.
I love the thing in that.
I mean, it's called the war thing, let's face it.
They got us in and we're getting them out.
I want to thank y'all.
I've been crying about it.
See, everyone's a bad thing, which we've got to give them a little credit for.
It must have been an accident.
But they had a damn good episode last night of a guy coming home from Vietnam.
See, yes.
Real, real good-looking young kid, huh?
Army Sergeant.
And I showed him arriving, or I showed his wife there to meet him.
you know, runs up and kisses her, she's holding the baby, and he pokes the baby and kicks the baby in his arms.
They say this is, you know, one more, and then they went through the hundred, I mean, you know, there was a test on halfway point.
And we did it.
And that halfway point is a good, good, a new, good one, halfway point.
And it would be two-thirds.
You see, from now on, it's all about, you know, you get halfway point, and the next thing is less than $200,000.
Now it will be down to 14 o'clock, very soon, and they're not going to be able to, I talked to him many times, they're not going to be able to get a draft.
Damn.
Goddamn, why aren't you going to speak?
But you're really going to be able to get that.
Does that mean you won't be able to get it at all?
I don't know.
Good.
Well, the campus thing is done now.
They go into finals in the next few weeks.
Campuses don't matter anymore until September.
We should get it.
We shouldn't do it until then.
There's no point in doing it in the summer.
Well, the combat thing, we can make that announcement.
It seems to me, the draft thing all the way, the story of the two Henrys, she's fighting with you now.
But you know, he's so worried about his little games.
You know, he can't do a game until he has a chance to rehearse.
I said, God damn it, I'm not going to take him to the rehearsal.
He goes, why doesn't he go to rehearsal?
I thought he was going to be a man.
Hell no, I'm asking you.
He said he wanted to meet me, so they brought him to me.
So what I thought, so they made, what I did was come back and did it all over again.
See what I'm saying?
Why didn't he give them another name?
We could always have been in a lot better position.
He first, I rewrote the whole thing twice.
He wanted to give them the ninth and the sixteenth.
I said, no, give them one day.
He said, give them the ninth.
He didn't do that.
He gave them the sixteenth.
All right, now they got the sixteenth.
Now they got the ninth.
I think that's why you didn't want to go over there, but that's all right.
The 16th, that's the last.
He doesn't have any, but that gets it out of the way before you and me.
Yes, yes, and well, he won't have their reply.
I said, oh, Henry, for Christ's sakes, forget their reply.
The 16th is still that one.
He wants to live a long life.
That's one thing he has to do.
That's one thing he has to do.
He loves it.
He loves it.
He loves it.
He loves it.
You know, I think one of the great commissions I need to do is knock off these commissions.
That's the next thing.
That isn't worth it, that commission.
They're not going to go into the Federal Reserve.
That's not any of the matters.
That's why the Federal Reserve dropped their support.
We put White House money into the support.
We've got to get things done as soon as we have to.
So what do we have to do?
I have to go in there and sit there.
Why did we set this up?
Why the hell did we set up this study?
I don't know.
I'm not really sure.
I didn't realize we had it.
It's one that apparently Arthur Burns got into way back.
I'm going to do this.
Senator Higgins, when you make a point, I'm trying to get the mission to stop now.
I've seen three or four states across here recently.
But watch the distance and no more conditions.
Don't let them set them up now.
When does this point of action run so good?
You know, it's interesting.
They're rockers, and they're good at what you're doing.
They play all the time.
They're good at what you're doing.
Good.