Nixon White House Tapes — Conversation 495-027
Date: Friday, May 7, 1971 at 5:53 PM
Participants: Nixon, Richard M. (President); Haldeman, H. R. ("Bob")
Recording device: Oval Office
Source: https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/495-027

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[0:00] I talked to Connolly and he said he'd talk to you.
[0:28] And Connie made it very clear that he's a very upset man.
[0:45] I told him.
[0:46] He said he paced around the room all the time when I was there.
[0:50] Or he was at Conley's office.
[0:55] He came in and sat down.
[0:57] He sat for a few minutes.
[0:59] He said he was twisting his hands while he was doing that.
[1:01] And then he got up and started pacing around the room.
[1:03] He said, I've done it.
[1:04] The only way I could talk to him was to get out of pace with him.
[1:08] He said, I was walking past what I was supposed to do.
[1:11] And he said, you might have to publicly oppose this thing.
[1:12] And Conley said, you can't do that.
[1:14] He told me that
[1:15] and decided this way that you support the decision.
[1:20] And I said, well, I've changed my mind.
[1:24] And if I do it, I'll just have to resign.
[1:26] Connie said, well, that's right.
[1:27] If you do it, you would have to resign.
[1:29] But you shouldn't do that.
[1:30] This isn't the time to do that.
[1:32] There was a theory of bailing out people who have failed and mismanaged their operations.
[1:36] And Connie said, I agree.
[1:37] It's wrong.
[1:38] I agree with your principle, too.
[1:45] I don't think we should either.
[1:48] But this is a special situation.
[1:51] We've got to do it to stabilize the economy, save the jobs, avoid the circus book.
[1:54] At the end of this, the accountant probably tells you to put his arm around the accountant so that I have no problems with you and that I'm not going to do anything to hurt you, so don't worry about it.
[2:02] I'm going to talk to you later.
[2:04] I won't be with you for a while.
[2:05] And he walked out.
[2:05] He definitely has a feeling that it's
[2:07] Passed up for now.
[2:09] Nothing was mentioned about the trip.
[2:10] Packer leaves Monday night.
[2:13] Under 10 days, I believe it is.
[2:20] I think that's perspective when he gets away.
[2:25] That's, he, Connie has a very strong feeling that Packer will not do anything without coming in and saying something first.
[2:30] Yeah, well, well, well, I'm sure he is.
[2:34] He is.
[2:34] He's got to lose.
[2:36] He thinks he's got another shot at it before anything happens, and that you'll have a shot at it before anything happens.
[2:52] He knows.
[2:52] And he doesn't anymore, or he does at this point.
[2:55] He did carry it specifically with you, and he should start with the president.
[3:00] He said, no, he shouldn't.
[3:01] Well, don't worry about that.
[3:01] Stick around a little while so you can fix it.
[3:04] Gloriator.
[3:06] Well, he knows better than anybody else, I think.
[3:32] Far better than most people.
[3:36] I understand colleagues coming in in the morning.
[3:44] Sheriff, I'm here.
[3:47] He's here at the Prison Council.
[3:48] No, sir, he's in, he's at home.
[3:50] He just took the day off.
[3:51] Open his lock.
[3:53] I got him tomorrow up here.
[3:56] I'm sure he can be if you want him tomorrow.
[3:59] I don't know where he is, but he's...
[4:01] I did not take him to Europe.
[4:03] He just took the day off.
[4:04] I said, Barry, because I had some time with Gene, why don't you go to Camp David?
[4:08] They were thinking about it, but then said they didn't want to.
[4:13] It's over now.
[4:13] We're not going up the street.
[4:15] Why else correspond?
[4:17] He said, we've got other people going up.
[4:21] I said, I should do.
[4:24] And John, he's not going up the street.
[4:30] Good idea.
[4:31] Why doesn't he take it?
[4:34] Get on the door for me.
[4:38] It doesn't bother John, but I don't know.
[4:40] His wife was standing there trying to talk to him.
[4:42] Why, of course.
[4:43] But he stated this earlier on, too.
[4:46] He's a small person, I see.
[4:49] He's a policeman, I see.
[4:51] They all included, or he must include the military guys, too, and the police chief.
[4:59] Right.
[4:59] Right.
[4:59] This is the team, and the fire chief is bringing the team in.
[5:04] Hey, look.
[5:04] Good pictures.
[5:06] Put them over there.
[5:06] Put the chief on my right, in the chair.
[5:09] Put the mayor and the military guys on the couch, and put the mayor on the left, and the chief.
[5:16] Or should I put the mayor on the left, and the chief on the chair?
[5:19] Yeah, no, no, no.
[5:21] The mayor in the chair.
[5:22] Should I go down and derange the chief?
[5:23] Listen to that.
[5:25] We've got to have the mayor because we've got to have him.
[5:34] He didn't do anything like that at all.
[5:36] He didn't do any harm.
[5:38] The picture of you and the mayor is a useless picture.
[5:48] The picture of you and the chief is a hell of a picture.
[5:49] No, I'll put the mayor out there.
[5:50] Oh, we should do it as a cash report.
[5:50] All right.
[5:51] I said, I'm going to go down to the business council.
[5:52] He said, my God, he said, I didn't...
[5:54] The whole government's down there.
[6:07] We've got a one-on-one down there.
[6:07] Right?
[6:07] If you're here to talk to planning about this, I don't want to, I get business accounts for sucking around them so much.
[6:10] Part of this, I'll tell you how they do it.
[6:12] Part of this is the reaction from last year when we didn't have enough coverage down there.
[6:14] Remember, you probably barely could send it down at the last minute because we had no work to cover that.
[6:16] We didn't have anybody to go over.
[6:17] So this time they overreacted and
[6:18] That's great.
[6:24] But I do think that he is a man.
[6:45] Anytime anybody from this office calls, he's going to come.
[6:50] And I do not want him to call unless we really want him.
[6:53] You know what I mean?
[6:54] Don't.
[6:54] He's never going to feel hurt if he's not invited to see me.
[6:59] Do you think so?
[7:01] Yeah.
[7:03] And if I want to work with that horse to death, I also don't want him to.
[7:09] Sure.
[7:10] John, I just think there's two decisions that stand as much.
[7:15] Yeah.
[7:23] Yeah.
[7:24] Yeah.
[7:27] Yeah.
[7:28] Yeah.
[7:29] Yeah.
[7:33] We've got a damn good opportunity to talk about that.
[7:59] That hit me.
[7:59] I'm curious about that.
[8:00] hell of an opportunity to cash our chips now.
[8:08] To move on all our big billionaires and say, this bill's coming in, we're letting the money in until now.
[8:12] We didn't check some cash in before the regulation.
[8:17] Otherwise, there just may not be any way to get the money in.
[8:22] If it takes the time, then we ought to be able to stir some sums early.
[8:30] Do you want me to assist you with that?
[8:42] Hmm, I don't think that would be the best call.
[8:43] Now, I'm going to ask them on Monday, what the hell is the possibility right now?
[8:45] I don't know what to say right now.
[8:46] I just bring them down and say, look, we're going to go and assist you and point your help to the members of the house.
[8:49] Alright, when I raised this logic, then I indicated from the beginning that I also wanted everything done possible to save us, to save the people, to save the world.
[9:06] He never said to me that he didn't think it ought to be saved.
[9:11] You know what I mean?
[9:12] He never hit it right on the head.
[9:15] I don't know.
[9:16] I don't know.
[9:16] I don't know.
[9:17] I don't know.
[9:17] I don't know.
[9:18] I don't know.
[9:18] I don't know.
[9:18] I don't know.
[9:19] I don't know.
[9:20] He has done a good job of putting the screws on some of these people that have screwed up.
[9:34] Your satisfaction if you put them out of business and don't have the capability and don't have the jobs.
[9:43] What's going on on that part?
[10:01] Because, uh, on the question, that must not be used.
[10:06] It's just that we have no other name for it.
[10:07] You're making a suggestion.
[10:08] I figured I had your motion.
[10:08] I'll do you none.
[10:09] The politicians might come back, huh?
[10:09] Do you mean... Hmm?
[10:10] Ah.
[10:10] You're trying to get it.
[10:10] I'm trying to get it.
[10:11] And the problem is... No.
[10:13] I don't think so.
[10:20] I don't think so.
[10:25] Right.
[10:26] $50,000 is all the money that they make.
[10:28] I told you on my question about it.
[10:28] They may have forever, forever, forever, forever, forever, forever, forever, forever, forever, forever, forever, forever, forever, forever, forever, forever.
[10:39] People that he just went to are poor.
[10:53] I think we would feel better if he weren't on him.
[10:57] They're just uncomfortable with him.
[10:58] And frankly, I've been divided from his vice president.
[11:00] I'm really concerned about, I think there is concern about why he's sitting there in the top spot and saying that's it.
[11:04] And I think that's it.
[11:05] I think he's very disturbed.
[11:05] I think this is the people that he's
[11:07] Got around it, and then we eradicated it.
[11:17] That's how, you know.
[11:18] And that is, we have a lot of capability and a lot of, I'm sure, basically in terms of drives to the job, but that hasn't changed.
[11:28] And a lot of that is economy.
[11:28] We're going to just have to see what happens.
[11:30] Obviously, we just have to see how we can do anything about it.
[11:34] Because, I don't know, it's got to be a way of something.
[11:42] I'm in an unhealthy situation now.
[11:46] It's so hard to work around, you know.
[11:48] Before they have to leave that tribe, it's all going to be next year.
[11:56] We're going to talk about it tomorrow.
[11:57] I want to read our revenue sharing.
[12:00] You know, I bet you it's false.
[12:02] and early in the night, and they're not going to be here, and so I, let's just say, I'm not a mother, I'm a child, so I'm not trying to be here at all.
[12:15] You know what I mean?
[12:16] You can do that.
[12:18] How do you, I just said, it's all on you, and I said, look, let me show you.
[12:31] And tomorrow afternoon.
[12:45] Yeah, there's no reason to.
[13:13] I don't know all that stuff.
[13:23] There's nothing to do with them on it.
[13:32] They all wanted to do it.
[13:33] They did it and they cut it to rhythms.
[13:35] I think they do have to do it as you're doing it.
[13:36] You have to do it as you're doing it.
[13:37] You have to do it as you're doing it.
[13:38] You have to do it as you're doing it.
[13:48] Some claims from the Department of Commerce Bureau.
[13:56] Sales of manufacturing wholesale and retail firms rose 1% in February and March.
[14:02] Fourth monthly need since November.
[14:03] Actualized retail is $1.8 million.
[14:21] You can all say something later on.
[14:36] I can feel that he's got a vote.
[14:37] Or is he?
[14:37] I don't know.
[14:37] I don't know.
[14:38] I don't know.
[14:39] I don't know.
[14:39] I don't know.
[15:02] I'm sure she has cancer.
[15:09] They're probably not her kids.
[15:09] Yep.
[15:10] Penny?
[15:10] Good.
[15:10] Good idea.
[15:11] For those people, it means a lot.
[15:12] You sure as fuck don't want to send...