{"conversationCode":"495-028","tapeNumber":495,"conversationNumber":28,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-495-028","startDateTime":"1971-05-07T22:17:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1971-05-07T22:17:00.000Z","startDate":"7-May-1971","startTime":"6:17 PM","endDate":"7-May-1971","endTime":"6:17 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Pontier, Andrey;","description":"On May 7, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon and Andrey Pontier met in the Oval Office of the White House at 6:17 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 495-028 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"OVAL","recordingDevice":"Oval Office","latitudeEstimated":38.8974,"longitudeEstimated":-77.0374,"chronCode":1,"chronRelease":"First Chronological Release","chronReleaseDate":"5-Oct-1999","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 495-28\n\nDate: May 7, 1971\nTime: 6:17 pm\nLocation: Oval Office\n\nThe President met with an unknown man [Alexander P. Butterfield].\n     President's briefcase\n\n     [Unintelligible]\n\n/The President and the unknown man [Butterfield] left at 6:17 pm.","filename":["495-028.mp3"],"tapeStart":"05:03:29","tapeEnd":"05:04:46","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Pontier, Andrey"],"prevCode":"495-027","nextCode":"496-001","transcript":[{"start":0.03,"end":12.83,"text":"Again, you have no control."},{"start":12.85,"end":13.41,"text":"Please, please, come in now."},{"start":13.43,"end":13.77,"text":"Listen up, again."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Richard M. Nixon met with Andrey Pontier in the Oval Office to discuss management and control concerns within the administration. The conversation centered on the necessity of re-establishing authority and improving operational oversight. No specific policy decisions were finalized, but the discussion emphasized the President's frustration regarding current administrative discipline.","topics":["Presidential Authority","Administration Management","White House Operations","Internal Control"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T22:11:35.971Z"},"topicSlugs":["presidential-authority","administration-management","white-house-operations","internal-control"],"audioDurationSec":15,"audioFiles":[{"file":"495-028.mp3","bytes":619415,"durationSec":15.34,"bitrate":323016,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:49.346Z","findingAidSource":"nixonlibrary.gov subject log (2024-05), reslice-v2","findingAidUpdatedAt":"2026-09-18T08:43:50.698Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/495-028.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/495-028","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/495/conversation-495-028","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}