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The, uh, as long as we've got this problem, the roger's just been there.

So it's like we're forced down to a lobby and see rogers alone.

You're taking them in, particularly when you report some goodies.

And, uh,

I didn't realize it until I was sitting alone in my own schedule.

There came bouncing in the boat.

He's still racing with me now.

But when I see Rogers, I just know that I can get a hell of a lot more done without him being there.

And there's no problem with that.

We used to have two sitting there.

They both irritated each other.

So, it's not particularly an easy spot.

There's Henry Braun, and he, I mean, just happens to be wrong.

He wants to sit and try to do nothing because of the election.

Seventy-two now, right?

We ain't got the real results.

Well, we're ready to make the research.

I think everything's all right.

We, uh, said to you that, uh,

He was suspicious of Wilbur Mills.

He thought that we were dealing with the essence of our domestic attack in the 72 election campaign.

But that, if we could pull it off, he thought we should go ahead and try.

You told him I was suspicious?

Yes, sir.

Always.

He came right around in the course of the conversation.

I think he became satisfied in that.

He just hated to let go of that issue.

And I think a little bit lurking in the back of his mind was, well, if this gets settled, then what am I going to go around the country and talk about it?

And so he didn't say that, but I could see that that was a little bit of what he was thinking about.

But he's willing to go along.

He approves of the idea of your saving metals and smoking them out now.

And then he said, I think we ought to all think about what sort of devious plots might be afoot, assuming Mills did agree to this, that would result in our losing the credit for the thing later on.

So the feeling of the group afterward was that we ought not to contact Warren Hearns until after we talked to Mills.

George is going to talk to Mills in the morning.

And then on his reading, we'll decide whether we ought to wait on Hart still later.

Good.

I think you've done well.

We'll see.

I'm glad you came around.

It's obvious everybody wants to do the play, and that's the way it's going to be done.

Well, Jerry was very effective with it, too, and really pitched in.

Oh, there you go.

I'm going to move tomorrow on SSG.

There's going to be more of them.

I just talked to Bill Allen about that, and he said, gee, I wonder if anybody's talking to the Boeing company.

And I said, I don't know whether your Washington office is in this or not.

He said, our calculation is that it would take a billion dollars now to renegotiate these subcontracts and finish this prototype.

And he said, I think the cleanest way would be for you to just cancel out with us, pay us off, and then renegotiate.

And I said, well, of course, I don't know anything about that.

I know this just bubbles up from the heart of the House of Representatives that feel that they've made the wrong decision before.

Well, he said, we've terminated all our subs now.

And he said, I'm not so sure that this thing, I don't want to be an obstructionist in this.

My heart's in the SSD, and I want this country to do an SSD.

He said, I just don't know what all the technical problems might be that would arise from a thing of this kind.

I said, well, Bill, that's something you better get with your Washington office out because I think they're around working this.

And he said, well, all right, he would look into it.

It was a business deal.

They just made a silent face and get out of the goddamn thing and take their money and go out and make something else.

Yeah.

See, they show a profit in the first quarter for this year with their damages, with their termination damages.

And...

Very selfish.

Yeah.

The...

I'm sure the price of an additional $50,000 for this thing now would, I mean, that just kills the debt, I would think.

You never get any Congress to go through something like that.

Well, you can pay that in charity.

I will right now.

I just hung up from talking to him.

I was working him.

He called me for an appointment.

He wants to come in and see me Thursday about something else.

And so I said, you're going to tell him?

Well, see, Alan's been to the business council.

Nobody's talking to him.

He's just back in his office.

So I said, I'd like to have you call Magnuson and put the heat on him.

And I explained this whole thing to him, and it was all news to him.

Now, he may just be, you know, a typical chairman of the board.

He didn't know what he was doing.

Well, the whole point is, though, to be in contact with somebody as far as somebody who's been watching.

I think what I ought to do is call Bob Murphy in there and watch him off him.

and talking about that conversation.

And see, Jesus Christ, you can't, you can't look like a damn fool.

Well, maybe I'll talk to Magruder first and see what sort of place he has going on.

Yeah, yeah, that's what I'm thinking.

Magruder's in on this.

Oh, yes, absolutely.

Absolutely.

Oh, boy, he should have thought of this.

Well, he ends up, he has.

He's been in the process of negotiating all these terminations.

I'll call him and see what's up.

They didn't have to call the bottom line.

I would think they could, but I don't know any of the legalities.

And companies each day, you know, once they get a terminated day of valuation, screw the government anyway.

They write it off.

Well, we want to do it for other reasons.

Oh, sure.

We want to do it for other reasons.

God damn it, their jobs.

A lot of them, yes, the boycott meeting.

Everybody wanted the damn thing made in Japan.

Well, we still own all the prototypes and the tools and the parts.

If they earn a billion dollars, I'll go and get somebody else to do it cheaper.

Send it to Southern California and let North Americans have it.

Sure.

Well, it turns me on slowly.

They've got their vacancies out there, guys that come to car sales and a half, and this and that, because of the shutdown.

It'll come back, but it's going to take time.

It's all Boeing, you see.

It's a hell of a thing.

It's a one-industry talent.

I didn't realize that.

And all of a sudden, Boeing is from $100,000 to $110,000, and they're down to about $27,000, $28,000.

80,000 people.

They're 110 employees in Seattle.

Well, Seattle rent and everything.

Sure, yeah.

That's 100.

That's just a stock like that.

80,000.

Well, that's...

These people buy groceries.

Sure, sure.

Rent and all that.

The whole damn thing just is torn apart.

And the problem is, there's nothing we can do about it.

There's a depressed real estate market, and nobody's buying property.

These fellows, in order to move away, have to sell their homes.

Nobody will buy them.

And they don't want to move anyway.

They like it there.

So the combination of those two things makes that an un-mobile labor force.

Well, sooner or later, they're going to have to move.

That's all there is to it.

So I think California isn't that bad, isn't it?

It's not that bad, no.

There's a pretty good spirit in Seattle, oddly enough.

The business community, the bankers and the shopping center people and all that are rallying around and they're doing a lot of things to encourage new industry.

And, well, they've got empty factories and they've got a labor force and they've got everything that an industry needs.

And now they're talking about giving them tax breaks and subsidizing them to come in and so on.

And they may just attract them.

That's a great place to live.

That's a good place to live.

That's the beauty of South California.

Yeah.

But in California, the future prospect is actually the present prospect.

Because that's where people want to go.

That's right.

That's compared to New Jersey.

Who the hell wants to go to New Jersey?

Who the hell wants to live in Ohio or Illinois anymore?

That's the problem.

Huh?

Well, we've given them...

They can't pull themselves back.

Houston is a cool town, but it's a lousy place to live.

Well, it's a horrible plan.

But it is what it is.

It's a funny thing.

Houston is really like... We've given the Seattle people and also the Southern California people money to set up organizations to attract new industry.

And so they've got

now in being, at federal expense, a sort of an economic development agency to attract new industry.

And then, of course, we've... How do your meetings work that you have on your Monday nights?

This is when we meet you in common.

President Schultz is here, and he's going to do... What do you call them?

Well, we've had one so far, so... Well, actually, we keep canceling it because people don't show up.

We're all bouncing around.

But tonight, we've got a...

a series of things, namely getting into the Office of Management.

Questioning, what about all of this?

And some of the things, good, I said, you've done this, good, good.

Where do you meet people?

You go to a media office.

Oh, you have an adequate, they teach well.

That doesn't make a difference anyway, does it?

This is John, listen to me.

No, it's a big, small mess.

It's easier there than trying to go out.

There's no place you can go where you can talk.

Now, in this situation, what we find, I'm confident it's a better course.

I'm quite confident it will not be raised.

And I don't want, in case Henry raises the Rogers and East thing, for you to give him any comfort of having

I just don't want you to do it, because I was planning pretty much to street our internet, and I ain't got to sit with our own young generals.

But the main thing is that on that, is that we simply cannot, I mean, Rogers is not working on these things.

Somebody has to work on it.

We cannot just continue to go down the line and choose on that, and have no other friends in the world

Now, that's just the cold turkey about it.

And so it's a curious thing.

In the present time, the whole world, the United States in the present time, is the only country that is supporting Israel.

There ain't nobody else now.

None.

They're both the U.S. and the United States only.

Right.

I got that.

We just can't continue that way.

The Israelis are sitting there right now on this offer.

So let's just sit and talk.

I'm not doing a bad thing.

We've got depression, and we're going to.

They, the bills of the day, and I, they said, well, the real thing is that they all think we're coming up to an election again.

They can sit tight and ask.

I said, they pulled that in the 70s, and I said, just forget it.

I want you to hear it.

Now, Henry's arguments will be, well, worried about the fact that the Jewish people

editorial writers and columnists in this country will be, if we're nice to Israel, will be nice to us on Vietnam.

Who?

Maybe one, two, or three.

Who?

You've got to choose.

They're all guesses.

of what the world did versus what the communists do to us.

We're going to finish Vietnam anyway.

We're going to finish Vietnam.

It's going to go.

We're going to save it on Israel.

For Israel, my feelings are just going to be different.

That's the thing.

Very different.

It's the one thing he's blind on.

The Russian thing is brought in.

I'm sure the Russian thing is in there.

But it's a much different game.

The United States just cannot continue to sit in there supporting Israel alone against it.

100 million Arabs against the British, against the French.

Forget the French, but the British, for example.

The Italian.

There isn't a goddamn government in Europe that supports us on this, on Israel.

You know that?

Not one.

Where the hell do you get that from?

So we must be doing something wrong.

They're all doing it because they think that Muskie's gone over to Israel, and Huck Freely's going to Israel, and Teddy Kennedy's going to Israel, and everybody else is going to go on.

Screw them.

You know, Conley says sometimes you've got to have an attitude.

Or maybe it'll be the Jews.

And this is cold turkey now.

I said, don't let it be raised.

If it's raised, just say, well, I don't know anything about it, but don't let it.

There's plenty of big wrong projects.

We know that.

We know they play its own game.

But on the other hand, on this particular issue, if he is squeezing the Israelis because I want him to, you know, you understand, John?

See, that's, he's doing it because I want him done.

I'm just not, I don't buy it because I'm in it.

of just taking the Jewish line.

We've gone too far.

They're out now, they want $500 billion more in economic assistance than Jews do.

And they want about another 100 vans.

That's what they're coming up with.

They expect us to give them that and not do a goddamn thing about opening Suez or anything else.

This is it.

So another reason you've got to keep Henry out of it is that when he gets involved in Israel, he is totally irrationate about anything else.

We've just got to keep him, keep his mind on Vietnam.

So the American flesh is in China, and it's really for its own benefit.

And so I know that here we don't get into that, but there's plenty of things that I don't mind.

discussing his relation with Rodgers in other ways, because Rodgers is involved in many other places, and the State Department is not to be trusted, and I don't trust him.

But on this, we just got to realize that Henry is not involved with the culture.

And even if we realize it, we'd be a hell of a lot better off.

So that's what it is.

You know what I mean?

You get the difference, don't you?

I don't know what it is.

Rogers, the matter back then, he was quiet.

And we would expect him to have a very good reception.

We'd be there all night with her.

We're all about our support and everybody.

And, well, maybe one major or a lot of them, none of them made it.

We've got that sign of Soviet intimidation.

Otherwise, I don't know.

He already said it all.

Because he didn't.

No, that's not what I thought of that.

No, that's just too damn bad.

Too damn bad if you have a situation there with rockets.

We need a Secretary of State who will, frankly, be Secretary of State like Commie is Secretary of the Treasury.

In other words, tries to do what we want.

And tries to play a man out.

I guess it's that way.

On the other hand, I separate out this issue because I know I'm wrong.

He takes the Javits line and all the rest.

So he doesn't.

What do you think he's really going to do?

And he won't say another goddamn thing but what Mrs. Meyer says.

Nothing.

It's a strange thing.

But I think he and any one of us are Jewish.

We do exactly the same.

I never found a Jew that was rational about Israel.

Never once.

Low struts.

Halfways.

But we just saw it in their position.

And I understand that we are just damn fools.

That's why Johnson, why Sir Goldberg, if you have him, was a terrible, terrible blunder.

And Goldberg got the negotiations with the Jews and the Arabs and the U.S.

He cannot, no Jew can see the Israeli problem except, just as no Irish, no Irish can see the Northern Ireland problem.

They'll put him in charge of that, too.

So we keep, and I think we're having these meetings in the very good times here.

By the way, the one we had, have you ever had a lunch with him?

Yeah, at the time.

Getting him ready to come inside, huh?

Gee, I hope he doesn't, I hope John, the SSD, doesn't fall between the stools on him.

I'll check with Magruder to make sure.

This is just a one contact, you know, and Alan admitted he didn't know what his company was up to.

So let me find out about it.

The way I will set up the meeting with Rodney is to choose his friend like that.

If I have a meeting, I just have a meeting with Bob, and that's it.

You can see that my... First, either one's going to talk frankly.

So I have to learn about that.

The second thing, it's a difficult situation for me.

Why put me there in the middle between the two of them?

I'm not going to do it.

The NFC, that's a different matter.

They can all sit there.

Oh, yes.

But not on this issue.

And not on this issue.

He was alright when he didn't raise any points, but I could see that the minute he walked in, Roger was impressed.

And I was so surprised because I didn't think he was supposed to sit in on the meeting.

And I came back and looked at the goddamn schedule, and if I looked at it closer, it does say, this is your, what happens to the bull call out the minute I set up the confinement and call us a staff man?

You shouldn't do that.

If I had a meeting like it, when I eventually get out of Malone, I'd need to see Malone sometimes.

We should just automatically put a staff man in the meeting, Bob, unless they ask me.

If I had a meeting with somebody, no staff man should be there unless I want to see him.

How long you should let them come.

Like for example, I never used to run here, or, you know, bolt in here, or these other people who were staying.

So I'm a burden.

I'm a waker, whoever's in charge.

But there are times, like was mentioned, commoners know that they have to see alone from time to time.

Special common.

Larry won't need to see alone because, you know, it's really Mitchell County and Rogers.

That's right.

You can see why.

Sure.

Where did you not see him on the mission?

I don't see him at all.

He didn't.

Henry, there's a lot of things to be expected.

He's far off.

Yeah, he was already dead.

It's clearly established that you didn't even have one.

The way I would handle Henry is if the thing comes up tonight.

We've been going to have a war in the Mideast for the last six months now.

You know, I'm afraid the Israelis are going to strike.

You know, he keeps coming in and saying, Chris, he says that he moved in and said that he saved us.

Because he reissues, and I'm going to give him a $500 million, 100 jets probably.

Let me say, I don't think that's an issue.

The other point is, let's look at the coal politics, Bob.

There's no politics in it for me to just be pro-freedom.

Now, God damn it, there just isn't.

And when they talk to the contrary, they're nuts.

Now, I know we've got a few friends.

I mean, out in California, you've got Dan Schreiber and Ted Combs.

to New York, you've got Bonnie Lasseter.

You've got a fax machine.

And you don't get any more than that.

It just isn't true.

And when you see these rioters, half of them are Jews.

And you see the people who supported Mussie and the rest, they're Jews.

And frankly, you've got to have a political enemy.

I thought it would be the Jews.

I mean, I'm not, rather than

They're going to have to take a solid issue with the American people.

I don't think they want to keep calling on Paris for leave.

I had a good rest up there and I was good.

I was fine.

I think it's good for you to have people go off about every three months for a while.

What I would do, I would suggest this.

I would order lunch right away, and then you can do it on a four-hour trip.

The best thing is to have them about every couple months, and then take off four days.

Nobody, to be perfectly frank with you Bob, nobody in our White House staff should really ever take off a week.

You shouldn't really do it.

What you should do, though, is do it more often.

And take a damn good four days.

In other words, go out on Thursday, Saturday, Sunday, Monday, and then come back.

I'm just taking a couple extra days and making a long weekend out of it.

Well, absolutely.

But I say make it to four days.

So that you can go someplace, like I go to Florida, but then take off and be gone.

But you see, when you get into a week, what happens is that it's very hard for a top-staff man, a top-staff man, to really keep in touch with them.

That's it.

You get untouched.

Very hard.

And then, from the distance, try to stay in touch with the beast.

and you're really much better off getting two or three days.

So even a couple days, I just say screw it.

I don't like the way you've worked out my state.

I'm very high with a candidate, and as a matter of fact, it's hard for me to stay awake, but when I go there for those two days, I'm on the telephone a hell of a lot.

It's a lot different.

And when I go to Florida, if you say, let's not schedule anything, I'll just go down there to go around.

I'll call a lot and do a little writing and thinking, but maybe for one day or two, I won't do it then.

That is much better, isn't it?

Much better.

And that was a standard match.

It was a standard match.

There's no problem for him to stay in touch at all.

He could take off for four days.

Henry Cannon, you ought to do it.

Paul, an early one, ought to do it.

And I figured a way to do it, force him to do it, about every two months.

Because they need it, you know.

This is a grinding son of a bitch.

Well, look at the man.

John Irving.

He's taken such a terrible beating.

He has to see these dumb bastards all the time.

It isn't worse than him.

Had we at least fixed the dumb bastards, he sees.

He makes his own medicine.

And he likes them.

He likes to go out at night.

He likes to talk to the professors.

He likes to talk to people and all the rest.

Leave them all in controversy.

John is not one.

John does his duty.

But even if you like to eat and get out from under him, you sure do, and just physically get away, fatigued, you get sick.

You just don't mentally, you know, track very much.

But if you get away for very long, you get out of here and then you have trouble getting back in.

You go for a weekend.

Now, nobody misses you.

You know, this doesn't make much difference.

And you don't miss.

Not enough happens if you have trouble getting time.

Particularly over the weekends.

You know, you take off on Thursday night and come Friday, Saturday, Sunday, back Monday.

Or you have to take off Wednesday night.

Thursday night's probably the better.

Monday's usually the best Monday.

Always take three days.

Four days is easy.

But have them do it.

That's the best way to do it.

They don't do anything.

Just get away from them in Florida or the Bahamas.

Get away physically.

Don't stay at home.

That does not work.

Get away physically.

That's why, again, John likes Camp David.

You like to go to Camp David and stay there sometimes.

I'm not there, particularly.

It's not a bad place.

Well, the other thing is just to get away from the rest of the family.

Hell, yes.

You do need to take...

Sure, sometimes, and I've lived that course very well.

It's just to let them come up to you and say, that's right, we're up there, that's right, over the base, and they have a great time.

You don't know they're there.

John should do the same thing.

You know, that's why the way we've got it now, the two of the cabinets, hell, you just have that section, I don't know,

and the entire rest of the camp, including the one where somebody else shoots.

Beautiful.

But you know, when you're there, it's really pretty much got to be a few of the key staff people that you've got to limit it to.

Because you're stuck with them.

They create a problem for you.

And again, people are out of the question.

Because I'd be obligated to have an old...

I would not be obligated to have any staff people in the city.

They're better off if they prefer not to.

They're damn right.

And yet there's somebody there in the church.

I think sometimes you can come over and have a little talk and so forth.

Well, I tried to implement my rule of wrong today.

Wrong.

It didn't work.

I tried to look at the two-wire service now.

People on the road had two-wire service.

Didn't that work?

He's got a routine set up.

I know why that is.

See, the wires don't pull.

So he's got to have a special to cover the other.

And that, when you let the press in for a picture, he's probably going to let that much of the thing in.

The point is just once a day for a picture.

And for the other pictures, we don't have the press.

When you have all the end, there's no problem.

No problem.

And you get the picture, and anybody who wants it, we can service it to them.

Well, you just must take each day the television picture you want and let the press in.

Where it's a still picture, just don't let the bad guys in.

Yeah.

Because my feeling is, you know, you sort of reach a point and you sort of head it with a group or something like that.

It takes a long time to do it, but...

My view now on the press is just as cold as ice.

I mean, they'll never know it.

But we're just not going to tolerate anything but an absolutely proper, hard-slinging relationship with these people from now on.

And I think it's best for us.

I think we'll all feel better about it.

We're not going to be hypocritical about it anymore.

I'm not going to jolly around with those sons of bitches.

We're not going to do a damn thing.

We'll give them press conferences.

There's plenty of them.

And we've got our own choosing.

We'll use them.

Damn, we're going to do anything for them, social media, personal, any other way.

And by that, we're going to take some trips on the radio, on the road.

They can go where they want.

Screw it.

I'm just going to go.

I'm not going to let it on in the future.

I'm going to let it on this Florida trip.

I just let them think we're going from here.

I'll just get the hell out of Florida, and they can get going.

Nothing is served, there isn't any served, I am convinced, by these people, these people.

I'm not concerned.

We have done it.

I mean, as I say, Herb Klein knows.

The Vice President should hear.

I've stated several grid irons with a few remarks at the end.

You know, these things I do with these clowns, you know, they have a terrible program at the radio and television a couple of years ago, and I made a little talk.

You know what I mean?

The President doesn't, first because of who he is, and second because he can say a few things.

Well, now they're true.

I'll suggest you being there.

And it's the entertainment and all that that they can get that they can't get otherwise.

All you are is a shield person.

I sure am.

But they're ignorant in that respect.

Well, afterwards, what do they want you to do?

Go in and have pictures taken of the entertainers.

Why?

Because that's why the entertainers are there.

So they've got the entertainers.

So I did that.

And of course, I met the people who ran the magazine and shook hands with the ASCAP and all the other assholes that were there.

with no right to shake hands at all.

Boy, it's a play even though it's over.

It really is.

I've done it for so many years.

Hated every one of them.

And now, why do I feel that way?

I don't know how you feel, because I decided last year I wouldn't play with you anymore, and I haven't.

Haven't you?

No.

Why did you decide that?

For great art?

Yeah.

I didn't go to this institution here.

Last year you didn't come.

No, last year I came.

You lived up here, didn't you?

Yeah.

No, not to the radio, television, or whatever.

I was at this institution.

Well, that wasn't no good.

I had a pretty cool time.

Well, it wasn't that bad.

It was just fine.

That's right.

He made a very clever, smart speech.

I'm just saying there's something I can do.

You know, if you're there, there's something I can do.

If you're there, there's something I can do.

Once you're in the place, there's just no point in being there.

If you're not there, this is your hell of a life.

You need to be there to represent the administration.

Well, nobody knows you're there anyway, so that doesn't mean you can't represent the administration.

That's the only way to get your son.

Plus the fact that there's so many other people here who think there's no other time to go, that the administration's gonna be represented no matter what we do.

Why don't you go and just get pulled and hugged by the rest of the people who are on the bench?

That's right.

If everything's better, I'll come.

Or this is meant that alfalfa is just as bad, is it?

Now don't, don't commit me to alfalfa if you don't mind, I'll arrest you.

I just may not commit either, right?

I'll see who the president is, if it's somebody I want and could do a favor for, who's going to be the candidate for president, if I think it's going to be a decent fellow.

Right now everything's for, everything's for keeps.

Boy, this, this press thing, the,

The others don't know how strong the idea is done.

It's all finished.

There ain't going to be any more caught up in the press.

They're not going to be.

They're going to be proper.

They've had it.

They're going to get the press conferences, and that's it.

That's frankly the way it ought to be.

Ron won't argue with you at all.

He's, you know, when you get a temptation to have over for cocktails or something like that, the amount of farts and all that, he's always been opposed to that.

He's for going with these things.

Uh, yeah, boss.

He's just lost the connection ever since.

Yeah.

And he's not, he's not as big a prologue to these things as I am.

That's true.

That's how I'm heard as part of them.

Although Ron's been great.

Well, Ron has too.

Bob, they force it.

And then I understand that.

That's his job.

That's why I can't really question it.

Yeah, I'm seeing it faster.

That's right.

Oh, I think Rob does a hell of a job.

I think he's the best one I've had around here, and they damn well know it.

Christ, he's precise.

Honest.

That's it, forthcoming.

They've never lied to them.

They don't ask you to talk about credibility gaps and such.

No, they've got nothing to strip you out of here.

There's no credibility gaps ever.

Nobody like Johnson, you know, lied about everything, the budget and everything else.

You know, a lot of these people actually don't mind here.

People don't contract with them about anything.

We don't really mind as much as we should.

It really has a good feeling to it.

You have a group like that and then you get rid of them.

They just don't exist.

They're not persons as far as I'm concerned.

And while they have a great spirit, they have at least a satisfaction.

I was thinking somebody, I mean, some columnist, a friendly columnist, Colson, could get a mother writer, or they could burn their ass on that thing.

They really should have.

Here, take a look at that.

I don't know if they can get anyone to do it.

I think maybe they might.

There's some of those, there's some decent guys in there who can.

You thought it was just bad, right?

It was bad, I understand.

Well, not bad, man.

But you see what they've done is screw themselves.

They may think for one year, but they might think for five.

I'll never go back.

I'll never go ever in the future at any time.

I mean not the gridiron, not the radio people, not the others.

The retargeters all think about it.

I'm not sure.

I may not do anything.

I don't know who wins the awards.

what it's all about.

Exactly.

That guy wrote this picture.

That's a very important thing to watch.

Because they blow those pictures up, you know, make a big thing out of that.

And usually it's some ludicrous picture of the president that's the one that wins the award, because that's the one that's interesting.

All right.

I'm just like, wait, I'll see if you can see right there.

All right.

And I also got one in television.

They ran some dirty thing on television, you know, which embarrasses us.

All right.

I think we're good.

Keep your, uh, have your game tonight, Mike.

Come on.

The main one, you can't tell what the figures are exactly because, you know, this judgment in terms of being supportive of the war, you see, this understanding is not sound for the war.

There's nothing to do with it.

The spark of the war is exactly the same.

You know?

Yeah?

Yeah.

I understand that too.

A lot of people are just tired.

Also, they're tired of the river, isn't it?

They don't like to be an adventure in which you're, you know, it's this exciting to be an adventure where you're pulling down.

What the hell does that prove?

That's, that's right.

That's the evidence.

All wars are bad, but people don't think they were.

People didn't like World War II, but they didn't.

wanted a weapon, that you were getting somewhere.

It was exciting to watch the tanks cross the desert and the landings and the army and the beachheads and the Marines capturing the islands and all that kind of stuff.

And it was big, interesting battles.

And everybody was fighting in this one.

Yes, there had been a few people fighting and so many people trying to figure out how to stay out of them.

And the ones that we have are probably the ones that didn't spend a lot of money.

I mean, what you always think about is the old complex.

The upper middle class kids.

They got into their parents.

They have a horrible complex about the goddamn thing.

On their way out to go.

Bought themselves a three-year war as a part of the poor.

Poor in goods that are not poor in strength.

Well, that's what they really did.

I said, if you fight him a little, I said, you're not gonna get any.

The Russians probably.

The Chinese thing is a hell of a gamble.

He did quite a bit.

I did beat him in China.

But his beating in China didn't do it.

I said, if all that really matters is that it will be adopted and finished, she's gotta go.

She's gotta keep her eye right on it.

Maybe we're going to have to take a harder line in some instances.

That's a good group there, early.

Consider yourself, Schultz.

I will not let Peter stand at this point.

I'd love to.

We talked about that.

It was annoying.

Well, he's not really...

He served a separate second.

He's not involved in that across the board.

All right, I think I'll go ahead and call it.

I'll suggest to the Rockies that I'll go ahead and call it.

That's a good shot.

Good.

It's such great weather today.

I was thinking, get outside.

You know, the thing that, uh, some of you have just noted, uh, I don't know,

The way he played is cool.

I think that's a...

I don't know if Paul will show the same thing.

Will he show back now?

Will he?

Well, he is in a certain time.

Yeah.

And he doesn't have... That's right.

I wanted to deal with Cole.

Well, let's just see if, uh, Cole, uh, Bill Rogers, that is, Dr. Cedric and Cecil, he would be free to play golf when it's even 3 o'clock.

Or probably we'd go around to, uh, Michael Lee.

Uh, I miss the crowds.

You did hear it for you.

If he is and can do it, only just the two of us, I want to just experiment and see how fast we can fly and so forth.

And then, of course, something that cannot be added, it can.

I'd like to know if he can and cancel the ride.

Find out about that thing for Boeing.

Okay.

Well, see, I just hope we can keep it going.

Oh, Jerry, it works so hard, and me, and all the rest of you.

Okay.

Fine.

Thanks.

But you shouldn't have locked that door.

But you shouldn't have let that person come in.

Yeah, sorry.

What is this, a new one?

Yeah, there we go.

Yeah.

Okay.

Call me back, Rose, will you?

Right away.

I'm gonna leave you the rest of the time.

Give him a little fight.

He's good.

He's a teacher.

Thank you.

Yeah, call me.

That's good.

Big deal.

That's good.

Here you go.

We've got some good value.

Let's get them all working together.

Well, they work together about a thousand percent better than the recent group here ever has.

I mean, why else?

I've got Rogers.

Oh, I see.

Oh, Christ.

Our camera problem is the problem.

All cameras are the problem.

They'll really teach us.

I'll talk, and I think maybe you're about the only one that can do it with me.

I'm going to try to stall you.

Just to see if I can bring him around.

One thing about building I'd like to lose.

A bunch of things comes along.

You can see this.

You can see those things.

It was present.

Don't you think?

Yeah.

The real question is whether you'll see it rationally.

Whether he's constitutionally able to do anything about it.

It needs to be seen today.

Maybe it can.

It sure as hell should.

Yeah, the Chinese have been very concerned about it.

Maybe one Dutchman or so has been on a secret trip with the English.

Pakistan and the Chinese are a few.

He doesn't want to do this.

Well, we could get him.

We will know Monday next week whether he's going to have a meeting at all with the North Vietnamese.

I guess if he will not, that will increase.

But he will also, we should have some sort of an answer from the Russians.

And, uh... We have a regression of the people.

They don't know about this Chinese thing we have going.

And there was internal factors that made that... less robust than they thought they did before.

Well... Yeah.

Yeah.

So we'll cancel her out.

She can't do that.