Conversation 497-005

TapeTape 497StartTuesday, May 11, 1971 at 12:07 PMEndTuesday, May 11, 1971 at 12:22 PMTape start time00:57:04Tape end time01:07:09ParticipantsNixon, Richard M. (President);  Haldeman, H. R. ("Bob")Recording deviceOval Office

On May 11, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon and H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman met in the Oval Office of the White House from 12:07 pm to 12:22 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 497-005 of the White House Tapes.

Conversation No. 497-5

Date: May 11, 1971
Time: 12:08 pm - 12:22 pm
Location: Oval Office

The President met with H.R. (“Bob”) Haldeman.

     The President's schedule
          -Possible press conference
               -Schedule

     Haldeman's schedule
          -John A. Scali, Richard A. Moore
          -John D. Ehrlichman, George P. Shultz

     The President's programs
          -Water
          -Parks
          -Breeder reactor
          -Revenue sharing
          -Law Enforcement Assistance Administration [LEAA]
          -Public relations needs
          -Drugs
               -Marijuana
               -Turkey

          -Police
                -John N. Mitchell's speech regarding the President's role in Washington, D.C.
                      demonstrations
                -Other speeches
                -Polls
                -Coverage of Mitchell's speech

     Demonstrators
         -A poll
              -Effects

       -Poll by the Washington Post
       -White House efforts

National Aeronautics and Space Administration [NASA]
     -Possible water projects
     -Reallocation of funds
          -Moon shots, spacelab to Mars
     -Public support
          -Texas and elsewhere
                -Compared with Supersonic Transport [SST]
     -Programs
          -Frank Borman[?]
          -Apollo
                -Effects, future
          -Skylab, Space shuttle
          -Jobs

Ohio
       -Wright-Patterson Air Force Base [AFB] staff move to Florida
            -President's conversation with William B. Saxbe
       -Transportation training center move to Florida
            -John A. Volpe
            -James B. Rhodes
            -Clark MacGregor's and William E. Timmons’ views
            -Rhodes's offer
            -Detroit, Florida
            -Volpe's actions
            -Florida
                  -Timmons
                        -Oklahoma, Texas
                        -Ohio importance
            -Robert A. Taft, Jr. and Saxbe
                  -Cooperation with administration
            -Ohio's importance

Florida
      -Economy

Federal facilities
     -Saxbe's meeting with the President
     -Wright-Patterson AFB
           -Defense Department

           -Caspar W. (“Cap”) Weinberger's role
           -Congressmen
           -Weinberger's role
           -Arnold Weber's role

     The President's schedule
          -General counsels
          -William M. Colmer's lunch
                -Colmer

     SST
           -Possible vote

     The President's schedule
          -Luncheon
          -Possible meeting on Capitol Hill

     The President's programs
          -Public relations needs
               -Shultz

Haldeman left at 12:22 pm

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I think you ought to, for the other reason that they're supposed to sell you.
What I'd like you to do, Bob, is that you really need to focus on your girlfriend.
And I can't say this to you for a minute.
I want you to use Skelly more.
Have you ever talked to him, William, about your ideas?
Skelly more.
Why don't you get a...
Early man, Schultz, and I.
Move the program, you understand?
We can help a lot of people.
and they've already been doing it, right?
And yet it's a hell of a thing that we ought to really, really, really jump in on.
All through this government, this family, this family.
But there must be ways that we can turn on tires a lot of things.
I don't know.
The parks, the people, the water.
What else we got?
We're gonna react to it.
We have some to share.
Oh, we've got our, you know, LEAA, we've got, and God damn it, I've got a name for you all.
We may get some breakthroughs.
We're getting some breakthroughs.
We just called the marijuana industry the other day.
Some possibility of a breakthrough with jerky apparently.
He did.
He had it very close in his speech.
I saw that it was in his thoughts.
It's a great thing that we have a president who acts the way he believes he should.
You know, it was a great plan.
I had a suggestion to somebody.
We did it ten minutes ago.
We're out of time.
Now I'll get some others to do the same thing.
We're out of time.
I started writing this and seeing how the paper drove Mitchell for an office season.
People were dating this journalist, a journalist.
They thought you were dating the wrong guy.
This poll center just takes my shots at people.
This is one poll I predict that kind of has to affect how people get to the city.
It's a surprise to us.
We do it all that way.
We do it all that way.
We do it all that way.
We do it all that way.
We do it all that way.
We do it all that way.
We do it all that way.
to pay for the demonstrators, which you know is a clear goddamn failure.
Right.
And let's get this around and really broker this one like you've never brokered anything before.
I give it to every dose.
Again, I'm really quite excited about this order.
I didn't put it in the news.
But I agree.
I think you may have hit the one that, you know,
I wish we could do something where you could take it out of NASA.
Well, no, it's where you could put it in NASA.
Take it out of NASA.
The thing to take it, cancel the rest of the program and say, well, why not with the space lab in Mars?
We're not going to do any more of the landings.
That's right.
We're going to take all that money, which is, you know, $500 million or something.
We're going to put it down as long as possible.
I've been sure we'll run the track that we've been on because
Well, you look at it and you're not surprised.
Death has surprised me a bit.
People in Texas are opposed to the space program.
Everybody is.
Everybody is.
They're all against SST.
In fact, they've got to sell it.
Well, they're all not being opposed to the space program.
Well, but we are.
We're doing too, I think, too many sums.
Well, we don't have too much money.
You already go to the departments of people.
I'm not going to tell you that letting London Moons tomorrow isn't going to add all that much.
I tried to time house to start the space lab and the station.
I think the London and the Moon thing, see what we can do in terms of the bugging out.
I mean, now they all go squeal around, but I mean, you've got to put the money...
I hear you with astronauts.
What it is, you know, it's like this.
What the hell with the astronauts?
That's a half a dozen, you know, a couple dozen astronauts.
But there's a lot of other people with them.
That's a lot of people.
But they can, some of them can ship to water and some of them can ship to...
I want to know a couple things, too.
I, uh, Saksby mentioned the fact that they are moving 1,500 people from Wright, Patterson, Air Nation of Florida.
And if they're in both years, moving days,
I was trying to send this to McGregor about that, and they both said, we're out of our freaking minds that we've got a thing going there.
And the point is that Roe appropriated $27 million to build it, and we let the federal government have it for nothing, and it's moved to Detroit.
And why are they moving to Detroit?
Who the hell is making these decisions?
The federal government doesn't get it.
This is a matter of designation.
Who invented AIDS?
We do.
And why did Volpe use the name of Florida?
Well, he hasn't yet.
No, I don't think so.
I think that's Florida.
I understand.
Florida, as Jim was saying, we're out of our minds.
Florida's important to us.
Texas, I mean, Oklahoma, which is the other one under consideration, is important.
But Ohio's more important.
Ohio's, with the congressional delegation, with the way we bring the taxes, has to be around to work with us.
And with the electoral votes, Ohio is the place to go.
We've got to do it.
And I think you can win Florida for another reason.
Sure.
That's the point.
We've got to go on Florida.
Florida's going to get plenty.
I mean, they're going to get the boom of tourism and good times and everything.
I think Florida will do all right.
Listen, I'm not surprised that's the reason, but I didn't know about this.
No, he didn't.
He just said that.
He just said from a political standpoint.
He said, I just think it's a mistake.
And he says, I just don't think you ought to.
I don't want the right actions.
Goddamn Defense Department.
Now you see, now the White House is supposed to watch those things.
Somebody's supposed to watch.
Who in this government is watching such things, Bob?
Catholics, you can't watch all of it.
You know, that's the only way.
The congressional guys are watching.
Well, get on top of it.
Do something regarding it.
You don't have to.
I think this kind of thing, captain watching can be very helpful, but the real key is to put, is to replace Ernie Webber with a public blood guy in there.
I think we've got to insist on that.
Just go out of that way.
Because that's the guy that could be just the watchdog.
There's nothing to sit here and look at how these things are managed so as to do us the most good.
Get one and nothing else.
And that has been in these people.
I don't think, Bob, that it's really, that you really can do it on the basis of.
Okay.
Why do I have to do it without sitting down and talking and so forth and so on?
I think what you say might is maybe you do a great number of them at one time or some damn thing.
You know, I have talked to them.
Maybe that's better than bringing four or five, you know.
How do you select four or five general counsels?
Well, you can do this.
You just do it on the basis of asking the appointment, and then see if you can get up to five, four or five new applicants.
I think you're all out of time.
I don't know how much.
I'm not sure about that one.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
The known absentees.
The 15 others that are... We've got a better idea than the majority of us.
I'm not believing that much is going on.
You could be, but that's...
It's a big deal.
It's a big deal.
Ideas, slogans, so forth and so on.
It's a...
Hit it a little on me.
It's okay, that's it.
Keep the person's toes up and don't take a breath.
That's it.
That's it.
That's it.