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Start Date: 13-May-1971 10:32 AM

End Date: 13-May-1971 12:20 PM

Participants:

Nixon, Richard M. (President)Ehrlichman, John D.Haldeman, H. R. ("Bob")Baker, StevenDaley, Richard J.Shultz, George P.White House photographer

Recording Device: Oval Office

Full Tape Conversation Start Time: 01:16:41

Full Tape Conversation End Time: 02:48:42

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498b.mp3

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NARA Description:

On May 13, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon, John D. Ehrlichman, H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman, Steven Baker, Richard J. Daley, George P. Shultz, and White House photographer met in the Oval Office of the White House from 10:32 am to 12:20 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 498-005 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid:

Conversation No. 498-5

Date: May 13, 1971
Time: 10:32 am - 12:20 pm
Location: Oval Office
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The President met with John D. Ehrlichman; Discontinuities appear in the original recording

     Merlin K. (“Morty”) DuVal
          -Elliot L. Richardson
          -[Kenneth R. Cole, Jr. ?]

     Richardson
                                                                        Conv. No. 498-3 (cont.)
H.R. Haldeman entered at an unknown time after 10:32 am

           -Compared to Robert H. Finch
           -School and health issues
           -Performance
                -School districts
                      -Edward L. Morgan, John N. Mitchell
           -The President's schedule
                -Richardson
                -Mitchell, John B. Connally
           -Meeting
           -Camp David
           -Performance

     Air bags
          -John A. Volpe's action
          -Charles W. Colson's possible efforts
               -Herbert W. Kalmbach
          -Henry Ford II's meeting with the President
          -Ralph Nader
          -Possible future cooperation between administration and auto industry
          -Kalmbach
          -General Motor [GM], Chrysler
               -Taxes
               -James M. Roche
                     -Support for the President

     President's schedule
          -Ford
          -Roche

     Roche

     The President's schedule
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     -Roche
          -Cole [?]
          -Peter G. Peterson
                -Meetings at White House, lunch schedule
                -Conversation with Ehrlichman and George P. Shultz
                      -US competitive position abroad
                -Peterson, Ehrlichman
                      -Air bags                                  Conv. No 498-5 (cont.)
                -Speech
                      -Consumerism, environmentalism, industry
     -Richard J. Daley
     -GM
     -Conversation with Ehrlichman
          -Air bags
          -Ford
          -Department of Transportation [DOT] Safety Division
                -Ford
     -Morgan's suggestion
          -John W. Gardner
          -Heads of Congress of Industrial Organizations [CIO] and League of Woman
                Voters
          -Welfare reform

Welfare reform
     -Public relations
           -Blacks
           -Ronald L. Ziegler
           -Emphasis
           -Politics
           -Daniel P. (“Pat”) Moynihan, Leonard Garment
     -The President's views
     -Public relations
           -Morgan and other speakers
           -Black audiences
     -Wilbur D. Mills' approach
     -Public relations
           -Richardson
           -Ziegler
           -Press
     -Ronald W. Reagan's possible views
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An unknown man [Stephen B. Bull] entered and conferred with Haldeman at an unknown time
after 10:32 am

     [Unintelligible]



     Reagan                                                              Conv. No 498-5 (cont.)
          -Letter to the President regarding California Rural Legal Assistance [CRLA]
     Welfare reform
          -Vice President Spiro T. Agnew and Mitchell
                -Possible conversation with Reagan

The unknown man [Bull ?] left at an unknown time before 11:33 am

     Office of Economic Opportunity [OEO]
          -The President's program regarding legal services
                -Privatization
                -Public support
                -Effect
                -The President’s view
                -Walter F. Mondale's legislation
                      -Board members
                            -Chief Justice
                            -The President
                            -Congress
                      -Hoover Commission
          -Frank C. Carlucci
                -Forthcoming conversation with Ehrlichman
                      -President’s plans

     Carlucci
          -Future role with administration
               -State department career

     Welfare reform
          -Reagan

     CRLA
        -Mitchell
        -L. Patrick Gray, III
        -Relation to welfare reform
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     -Administration position
         -Carlucci
         -Reagan

Peterson
     -Conversation with the President
           -Compared with Charles H. Percy and [name(s) unintelligible]
                                                                 Conv. No 498-5 (cont.)
Great Britain and France

[UNINTELLIGIBLE]

Unknown man
    -Ehrlichman's son's attendance at dinner
          -Stanford University
    -Background
    -Possible role with administration
          -Council of Economic Advisors

DuVal
    -Views regarding Mexicans

Blacks
     -Future
     -The President's conversation with Julie Nixon Eisenhower
          -Black studies program at Smith College
     -Booker T. Washington
     -George Washington Carver

Mexicans
    -Compared with Blacks
    -Compared with Mexican-Americans
    -Role of family
    -Guadalajara, Monterey, Cuernavaca
    -Catholic church
    -Drugs
    -Labor Unions
         -Effect

DuVal

Peterson
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Council [long-range economic planning]
    -Views of William P. Rogers, Maurice Stans, Connally, Henry A. Kissinger

US future
     -Kissinger

Peterson                                                           Conv. No 498-5 (cont.)
     -Negotiating ability
          -Japan
          -Department of State
          -Kissinger
     -Foreign economic policy
          -Stans
                -Commerce Department
          -National Association of Manufacturers [NAM]

President's domestic policy
     -Administration compared with theory
            -Revenue sharing, government reorganization, education, health, welfare,
                  environment
     -Politics
            -Cancer
                  -Response to State of the Union address
                  -Florida, California, Texas, Oklahoma
            -Economy
                  -Jobs, family income, working Americans
                  -Housing quality
                        -Garages
                        -Bathrooms
            -National goals
                  -1972 election
     -Popular expectations of government
            -State of the Union address
            -Cost of government
     -Shultz's work at the Office of Management and Budget [OMB]
            -Time magazine coverage
     -Popular opinion
            -Health
            -Education
            -Drugs
            -Crime
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         -Marijuana

    Homosexuality
        -"All In The Family" television show on homosexuality
              -The President’s view
              -Archie Bunker
                    -Compared with Jackie Gleason
                    -Son-in-law                                 Conv. No 498-5 (cont.)
              -Characters story line
                    -Letter to the President
              -Issues
        -The President’s view

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         -Television treatment
               -The President view
         -Prostitutes
         -Effect on children
         -President’s view
         -US future
         -Ancient Greece
               -Aristotle
               -Socrates
         -Influence of television
         -Rome
               -Last six emperors
               -Nero
         -Catholic church
         -Great Britain
         -France
         -Union of Soviet Socialist Republics [USSR]
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     -US

USSR
    -Narcotics
    -Homosexuality

US future
     -Liberals and Communists                                    Conv. No 498-5 (cont.)
     -Moynihan, Robert H. Finch, Garment
     -Television
          -Effect on children

Homosexuality
    -Current attitudes
          -Gay liberation
    -Justin W. Dart's conversation with Ehrlichman
          -University of Southern California [USC]
    -San Francisco
          -Stanford University
          -Bohemian Grove attendees
               -The President's response
    -Hollywood
    -Pasadena
    -Decorating and apparel manufacturers
          -An unknown man
    -Decorators
    -Women's fashions

Women's fashions
   -Designers
   -Hot pants

White House staff
     -Political role
     -Public relations
           -Dwight D. Eisenhower's staff
           -James C. Hagerty
           -Richard A. Moore, William L. Safire, John A. Scali
     -Speech writers
           -The President's November 3, 1969 speech
           -Children's conference speech
           -Daughters of the American Revolution [DAR] speech
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              -Chamber of Commerce speech
              -Staff members
                     -Safire, Raymond K. Price, Patrick J. Buchanan, Noel C. Koch, Moore
         -Public relations
              -Importance

    1972 campaign
         -State of the Union                                            Conv. No 498-5 (cont.)
               -Importance
         -Budget
               -Importance
         -Legislative initiatives
               -Congress
               -Taxes
                     -Ehrlichman's possible meeting
                           -The President, John N. Mitchell, Connally, Shultz
                                 -Agenda
                     -White House action

    Politics
          -Water
          -Revenue sharing
          -Spiro T. Agnew's speeches
               -Democrats' response
          -Joseph A. Califano, Jr., government reorganization group
          -Housewife in Duluth
          -Democrats


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    Chicago
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          -Low-income housing
              -Department of Housing and Urban Development [HUD]

     The President's conversation with Connally, May 13, 1971
          -Forthcoming vote in Congress on SST [?]

     Federal budget
          -Deficit                                                Conv. No 498-5 (cont.)
          -Caspar W. (“Cap”) Weinberger's
               -Forthcoming press briefing, May 13, 1971

     Chicago
          -Low-income housing program
               -Federal District Court order
                      -Gatro [?] case
                            -Possible referral to Supreme Court
          -HUD's actions
               -Model Cities
               -Model Neighborhood program
          -Public relation program
          -Gatro [?] case
               -Legal status
          -HUD actions
               -Forthcoming mayoral election

     The President's schedule
          -Forthcoming meeting on government reorganization
               -Connally
               -The President's role
          -Agenda
               -Alexander P. Butterfield

     Richard J. Daley
          -Effect on Illinois Congressional delegation
                -Revenue sharing

An unknown person entered at an unknown time after 10:32 am

     An unknown item for Ehrlichman

The unknown person left at an unknown time before 11:33 am
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     Daley
          -Schedule

Haldeman left and Richard J. Daley and George P, Shultz entered at 11:33 am; the White House
photographer was present at the beginning of the meeting

     Greetings
                                                                      Conv. No 498-5 (cont.)
     Arrangements for photograph

Stephen B. Bull entered at an unknown time after 11:33 am

          -Oliver F. (“Ollie”) Atkins
          -Washington, D.C. police

Bull left at an unknown time before 12:20 pm

     Opinion Research Corporation [ORC] poll

     Chicago
          -The President's conversation with Shultz
          -Housing
               -Federal court's order
               -Problems
                     -Economic classes
                     -Race
          -Racial composition
               -Washington, D.C.

     Public Housing
          -Racial quotas

     Chicago
          -Public housing
               -Vacancies
               -Crime
               -Daley's actions
               -Condominium
               -Compared with St. Louis
          -Shultz's views

     Public housing
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     -Neighborhoods
     -Operations
     -Chicago
          -Locus of decision-making
                -Local non-profit organizations
          -Federal funds
     -Washington, D.C. neighborhoods
     -New York City                                          Conv. No 498-5 (cont.)
          -John V. Lindsay, Bert Kramer[?]
     -Racial quotas
          -Need for control
          -Schools
          -Crime

Education
    -Public
    -Private
          -Financing
               -Citizens' commission
               -Cardinals John Cody and John Cardinal Krol
               -Special revenue sharing
                     -Possible congressional response
          -Importance
    -The President's schooling
    -Public
          -Taxes
          -Productivity
          -Voucher program
               -Experiment
                     -Location (Alrock?, California)
               -Educational establishment position

Narcotics
     -Chicago's program
          -Law enforcement personnel
     -Permissiveness
          -Reverend Frye[?] in Chicago
          -Elementary schools
          -Armed forces
                Effect on civilian work force
          -Churches' possible role
          -Educators
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           -Marijuana
                -The President's previous conferences in California
                      -A study
                -Legalization
                      -Compared with alcohol, hard drugs
                -Study commission
                -Legalization
                      -Effects                                      Conv. No 498-5 (cont.)
           -Treatment centers
           -Marijuana legalization
           -Crime
           -Methadone
                -Treatment program in Washington, D.C.
                      -Effect
                -Heroin
                -Treatment program in Washington, D.C.
                      -Effect
                      -Possible use in Chicago
                      -Black population compared with Chicago

Chicago
     -Police
           -Morale
           -Community support
                -Business, labor
           -Recruitment
           -Compensation
           -Continuing education
           -Orlando W. Wilson's accomplishments
     -Revenue sharing
           -Formula for calculation
           -Importance
                -Flexibility in public service uses

Veterans
     -Military discharges
           -Petitions to Washington
     -Potential
     -Employment
           -Narcotics
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          -Less-than-honorable discharges
          -Preference
          -Prisoner rehabilitation comparison

National Economy
     -Gross National Product [GNP]
          -Increase
                 -Relation to employment                           Conv. No 498-5 (cont.)
          -Retail sales
                 -Trends
                 -Ford, Sears-Roebuck, Company
          -Inventories
                 -Extent of change
     -Unemployment
     -Shultz's talk in Chicago with business group
          -Housing
     -Regional Differences
          -Chicago, Illinois, Ohio, Indiana, Michigan, West Coast, Los Angeles, New
                 York City, Seattle
                 -Businessmen
Chicago
     -Development
     -Compared with New York City
     -Businessmen
     -Labor
     -Compared with New York City and Boston
     -Racial programs

Demonstrations
    -Jerry V. Wilson
          -Actions
               -Television response
               -Support of the President and Mitchell
    -ORC poll
          -Washington, D.C. police force
               -Actions
          -Questions
          -Results
    -Washington, D.C. police handling

Intergovernmental relations
      -California
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          -New York
          -Agnew
          -Daley
               -Shultz
               -Ehrlichman
               -The President
               -Dan Rostenkowski
               -Shultz                                                Conv. No 498-5 (cont.)
               -Importance

     Presentation of gifts by the President
          -Cuff links
          -Gift for Daley’s wife

     Daley's communications with the Administration
          -Narcotics
          -Law enforcement
          -Employment

     Chicago
          -Police
                -The President's support

     Housing program

Ehrlichman, Daley, and Shultz left at 12:20 pm