Conversation: 498-005
Prev: 498-004 Next: 498-006Start Date: Thursday, May 13, 1971 2:32 PM
End Date: Thursday, May 13, 1971 4:20 PM
Participants:
Nixon, Richard M. (President); Ehrlichman, John D.; Haldeman, H. R. ("Bob"); Baker, Steven; Daley, Richard J.; Shultz, George P.; White House photographerRecording Device: Oval Office
Full Tape Conversation Start Time: 01:16:41
Full Tape Conversation End Time: 02:48:42
NARA Description:
On May 13, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon, John D. Ehrlichman, H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman, Steven Baker, Richard J. Daley, George P. Shultz, and White House photographer met in the Oval Office of the White House from 10:32 am to 12:20 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 498-005 of the White House Tapes.
Nixon Library Finding Aid:
Conversation No. 498-5
Date: May 13, 1971
Time: 10:32 am - 12:20 pm
Location: Oval Office
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The President met with John D. Ehrlichman; Discontinuities appear in the original recording
Merlin K. (“Morty”) DuVal
-Elliot L. Richardson
-[Kenneth R. Cole, Jr. ?]
Richardson
Conv. No. 498-3 (cont.)
H.R. Haldeman entered at an unknown time after 10:32 am
-Compared to Robert H. Finch
-School and health issues
-Performance
-School districts
-Edward L. Morgan, John N. Mitchell
-The President's schedule
-Richardson
-Mitchell, John B. Connally
-Meeting
-Camp David
-Performance
Air bags
-John A. Volpe's action
-Charles W. Colson's possible efforts
-Herbert W. Kalmbach
-Henry Ford II's meeting with the President
-Ralph Nader
-Possible future cooperation between administration and auto industry
-Kalmbach
-General Motor [GM], Chrysler
-Taxes
-James M. Roche
-Support for the President
President's schedule
-Ford
-Roche
Roche
The President's schedule
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-Roche
-Cole [?]
-Peter G. Peterson
-Meetings at White House, lunch schedule
-Conversation with Ehrlichman and George P. Shultz
-US competitive position abroad
-Peterson, Ehrlichman
-Air bags Conv. No 498-5 (cont.)
-Speech
-Consumerism, environmentalism, industry
-Richard J. Daley
-GM
-Conversation with Ehrlichman
-Air bags
-Ford
-Department of Transportation [DOT] Safety Division
-Ford
-Morgan's suggestion
-John W. Gardner
-Heads of Congress of Industrial Organizations [CIO] and League of Woman
Voters
-Welfare reform
Welfare reform
-Public relations
-Blacks
-Ronald L. Ziegler
-Emphasis
-Politics
-Daniel P. (“Pat”) Moynihan, Leonard Garment
-The President's views
-Public relations
-Morgan and other speakers
-Black audiences
-Wilbur D. Mills' approach
-Public relations
-Richardson
-Ziegler
-Press
-Ronald W. Reagan's possible views
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An unknown man [Stephen B. Bull] entered and conferred with Haldeman at an unknown time
after 10:32 am
[Unintelligible]
Reagan Conv. No 498-5 (cont.)
-Letter to the President regarding California Rural Legal Assistance [CRLA]
Welfare reform
-Vice President Spiro T. Agnew and Mitchell
-Possible conversation with Reagan
The unknown man [Bull ?] left at an unknown time before 11:33 am
Office of Economic Opportunity [OEO]
-The President's program regarding legal services
-Privatization
-Public support
-Effect
-The President’s view
-Walter F. Mondale's legislation
-Board members
-Chief Justice
-The President
-Congress
-Hoover Commission
-Frank C. Carlucci
-Forthcoming conversation with Ehrlichman
-President’s plans
Carlucci
-Future role with administration
-State department career
Welfare reform
-Reagan
CRLA
-Mitchell
-L. Patrick Gray, III
-Relation to welfare reform
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-Administration position
-Carlucci
-Reagan
Peterson
-Conversation with the President
-Compared with Charles H. Percy and [name(s) unintelligible]
Conv. No 498-5 (cont.)
Great Britain and France
[UNINTELLIGIBLE]
Unknown man
-Ehrlichman's son's attendance at dinner
-Stanford University
-Background
-Possible role with administration
-Council of Economic Advisors
DuVal
-Views regarding Mexicans
Blacks
-Future
-The President's conversation with Julie Nixon Eisenhower
-Black studies program at Smith College
-Booker T. Washington
-George Washington Carver
Mexicans
-Compared with Blacks
-Compared with Mexican-Americans
-Role of family
-Guadalajara, Monterey, Cuernavaca
-Catholic church
-Drugs
-Labor Unions
-Effect
DuVal
Peterson
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Council [long-range economic planning]
-Views of William P. Rogers, Maurice Stans, Connally, Henry A. Kissinger
US future
-Kissinger
Peterson Conv. No 498-5 (cont.)
-Negotiating ability
-Japan
-Department of State
-Kissinger
-Foreign economic policy
-Stans
-Commerce Department
-National Association of Manufacturers [NAM]
President's domestic policy
-Administration compared with theory
-Revenue sharing, government reorganization, education, health, welfare,
environment
-Politics
-Cancer
-Response to State of the Union address
-Florida, California, Texas, Oklahoma
-Economy
-Jobs, family income, working Americans
-Housing quality
-Garages
-Bathrooms
-National goals
-1972 election
-Popular expectations of government
-State of the Union address
-Cost of government
-Shultz's work at the Office of Management and Budget [OMB]
-Time magazine coverage
-Popular opinion
-Health
-Education
-Drugs
-Crime
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-Marijuana
Homosexuality
-"All In The Family" television show on homosexuality
-The President’s view
-Archie Bunker
-Compared with Jackie Gleason
-Son-in-law Conv. No 498-5 (cont.)
-Characters story line
-Letter to the President
-Issues
-The President’s view
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-Television treatment
-The President view
-Prostitutes
-Effect on children
-President’s view
-US future
-Ancient Greece
-Aristotle
-Socrates
-Influence of television
-Rome
-Last six emperors
-Nero
-Catholic church
-Great Britain
-France
-Union of Soviet Socialist Republics [USSR]
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-US
USSR
-Narcotics
-Homosexuality
US future
-Liberals and Communists Conv. No 498-5 (cont.)
-Moynihan, Robert H. Finch, Garment
-Television
-Effect on children
Homosexuality
-Current attitudes
-Gay liberation
-Justin W. Dart's conversation with Ehrlichman
-University of Southern California [USC]
-San Francisco
-Stanford University
-Bohemian Grove attendees
-The President's response
-Hollywood
-Pasadena
-Decorating and apparel manufacturers
-An unknown man
-Decorators
-Women's fashions
Women's fashions
-Designers
-Hot pants
White House staff
-Political role
-Public relations
-Dwight D. Eisenhower's staff
-James C. Hagerty
-Richard A. Moore, William L. Safire, John A. Scali
-Speech writers
-The President's November 3, 1969 speech
-Children's conference speech
-Daughters of the American Revolution [DAR] speech
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-Chamber of Commerce speech
-Staff members
-Safire, Raymond K. Price, Patrick J. Buchanan, Noel C. Koch, Moore
-Public relations
-Importance
1972 campaign
-State of the Union Conv. No 498-5 (cont.)
-Importance
-Budget
-Importance
-Legislative initiatives
-Congress
-Taxes
-Ehrlichman's possible meeting
-The President, John N. Mitchell, Connally, Shultz
-Agenda
-White House action
Politics
-Water
-Revenue sharing
-Spiro T. Agnew's speeches
-Democrats' response
-Joseph A. Califano, Jr., government reorganization group
-Housewife in Duluth
-Democrats
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Chicago
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-Low-income housing
-Department of Housing and Urban Development [HUD]
The President's conversation with Connally, May 13, 1971
-Forthcoming vote in Congress on SST [?]
Federal budget
-Deficit Conv. No 498-5 (cont.)
-Caspar W. (“Cap”) Weinberger's
-Forthcoming press briefing, May 13, 1971
Chicago
-Low-income housing program
-Federal District Court order
-Gatro [?] case
-Possible referral to Supreme Court
-HUD's actions
-Model Cities
-Model Neighborhood program
-Public relation program
-Gatro [?] case
-Legal status
-HUD actions
-Forthcoming mayoral election
The President's schedule
-Forthcoming meeting on government reorganization
-Connally
-The President's role
-Agenda
-Alexander P. Butterfield
Richard J. Daley
-Effect on Illinois Congressional delegation
-Revenue sharing
An unknown person entered at an unknown time after 10:32 am
An unknown item for Ehrlichman
The unknown person left at an unknown time before 11:33 am
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Daley
-Schedule
Haldeman left and Richard J. Daley and George P, Shultz entered at 11:33 am; the White House
photographer was present at the beginning of the meeting
Greetings
Conv. No 498-5 (cont.)
Arrangements for photograph
Stephen B. Bull entered at an unknown time after 11:33 am
-Oliver F. (“Ollie”) Atkins
-Washington, D.C. police
Bull left at an unknown time before 12:20 pm
Opinion Research Corporation [ORC] poll
Chicago
-The President's conversation with Shultz
-Housing
-Federal court's order
-Problems
-Economic classes
-Race
-Racial composition
-Washington, D.C.
Public Housing
-Racial quotas
Chicago
-Public housing
-Vacancies
-Crime
-Daley's actions
-Condominium
-Compared with St. Louis
-Shultz's views
Public housing
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-Neighborhoods
-Operations
-Chicago
-Locus of decision-making
-Local non-profit organizations
-Federal funds
-Washington, D.C. neighborhoods
-New York City Conv. No 498-5 (cont.)
-John V. Lindsay, Bert Kramer[?]
-Racial quotas
-Need for control
-Schools
-Crime
Education
-Public
-Private
-Financing
-Citizens' commission
-Cardinals John Cody and John Cardinal Krol
-Special revenue sharing
-Possible congressional response
-Importance
-The President's schooling
-Public
-Taxes
-Productivity
-Voucher program
-Experiment
-Location (Alrock?, California)
-Educational establishment position
Narcotics
-Chicago's program
-Law enforcement personnel
-Permissiveness
-Reverend Frye[?] in Chicago
-Elementary schools
-Armed forces
Effect on civilian work force
-Churches' possible role
-Educators
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-Marijuana
-The President's previous conferences in California
-A study
-Legalization
-Compared with alcohol, hard drugs
-Study commission
-Legalization
-Effects Conv. No 498-5 (cont.)
-Treatment centers
-Marijuana legalization
-Crime
-Methadone
-Treatment program in Washington, D.C.
-Effect
-Heroin
-Treatment program in Washington, D.C.
-Effect
-Possible use in Chicago
-Black population compared with Chicago
Chicago
-Police
-Morale
-Community support
-Business, labor
-Recruitment
-Compensation
-Continuing education
-Orlando W. Wilson's accomplishments
-Revenue sharing
-Formula for calculation
-Importance
-Flexibility in public service uses
Veterans
-Military discharges
-Petitions to Washington
-Potential
-Employment
-Narcotics
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-Less-than-honorable discharges
-Preference
-Prisoner rehabilitation comparison
National Economy
-Gross National Product [GNP]
-Increase
-Relation to employment Conv. No 498-5 (cont.)
-Retail sales
-Trends
-Ford, Sears-Roebuck, Company
-Inventories
-Extent of change
-Unemployment
-Shultz's talk in Chicago with business group
-Housing
-Regional Differences
-Chicago, Illinois, Ohio, Indiana, Michigan, West Coast, Los Angeles, New
York City, Seattle
-Businessmen
Chicago
-Development
-Compared with New York City
-Businessmen
-Labor
-Compared with New York City and Boston
-Racial programs
Demonstrations
-Jerry V. Wilson
-Actions
-Television response
-Support of the President and Mitchell
-ORC poll
-Washington, D.C. police force
-Actions
-Questions
-Results
-Washington, D.C. police handling
Intergovernmental relations
-California
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-New York
-Agnew
-Daley
-Shultz
-Ehrlichman
-The President
-Dan Rostenkowski
-Shultz Conv. No 498-5 (cont.)
-Importance
Presentation of gifts by the President
-Cuff links
-Gift for Daley’s wife
Daley's communications with the Administration
-Narcotics
-Law enforcement
-Employment
Chicago
-Police
-The President's support
Housing program
Ehrlichman, Daley, and Shultz left at 12:20 pm