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We sit here, and otherwise, I mean, I just see the people that are bugging me, like, not only inside the doors, obviously, and the others, but, or some people with guns.

Yeah, and they whine around.

And it's a problem, isn't it, to try to fight this kind of, well, and then it's good to have somebody else.

He's a strong man.

He's a good friend.

He's got some good ideas.

He had a lot of struggle.

I mean, he's earned a lot of things.

You can feel a lot of say in him.

He earned a lot of things.

Better to do that, though, than have a group.

Yeah, than a group.

Because you can really talk to a guy this way.

It would be better.

As soon as you get a group, I like to speak, I'm kind of, let me get down to the, what was always, I like an individual conversation.

I mean, the group is, the SSP who's in charge of the thing, I just want to be sure that not a board is made as ever and somebody over here is working my jaw.

Well, except the whole team, you know, going on the Senate thing.

I think the group has got to ride the, you know,

Or is he now?

Is he over?

That's obvious, you know.

Yeah.

I don't know.

I was just wondering if the sentence would never be over again.

I don't know.

But I was just wondering, for example, if he's writing.

If somebody's writing.

But wait, I suppose...

I don't know.

Yeah.

Hello?

Well, I heard you were in the hospital, and I just wanted to tell you that get well because we teach it.

Yeah.

With the operation, no formal problems, I believe, so.

Yeah.

Right.

These days, that sort of thing is, uh, is, uh, they talk quite between.

I, I never had appendix out, so, uh, but I think I'm too old now.

You thought you were?

Yeah.

Oh, well.

Right.

Well, the nurse is pretty.

That's right.

Well.

Well, we, we, I, I appreciate what you, uh, what that, uh, Pearson section we're doing down there.

You guys, uh, so we need you back.

So, uh, bye, uh, bye.

Well, anyway, let's see.

I was calling.

Must be computing and shit.

I don't know what it is.

I didn't know.

And that's what bothered, what really wrangled Jerry, I think, is that he talked about that, but he didn't consider there was any problem on it, so they didn't worry about it.

He made it and sent it.

I don't know how ill his transportation, WT, was.

Would you let me, Mr. Bill Magruder, in the Department of Transportation, please?

Virgin Islands, oh, I see.

I see.

I see, fine, fine.

No, no, no, let it go.

I'll get the word from Holland, fine.

St. Croix.

Yes, sir.

Mr. McGregor, please.

That's why the operator knew where he was immediately, because I've got a call in front of him.

Well, then maybe we ought to check with John, because somebody here may be, if Holland's calling the looter, he's probably calling someone else.

Oh, because I'll call you later, John.

And he went into my office to see the Attorney General.

He may still be in.

I think he's through.

Yeah.

Hello.

Hi, Clark.

I've heard of you, Tom, Tom.

Yeah, yeah, well, come on over, man.

Do you want anyone to sit in with Brooke tomorrow?

Well, Henry, I didn't break her on me.

No, Colson.

You're very close to Brooke.

You set her up.

If McGregor doesn't see it, he should.

I don't think he can have more than two.

You do want Henry, huh?

Chuck says Henry's the best in the department on the substance part.

Chuck had a conversation with the other lady.

Henry's probably more important.

I don't think, I don't think .

I just think the two of us, that's enough.

John, I had a couple thoughts.

Can we take another look at the mass of the shots and so forth?

And really, particularly in terms of turning to, I mean, changing the direction from one to another.

I'm into it.

Some.

I had a meeting yesterday on it.

Remember, the only thing that was ever submitted to me in the budget was the last shot.

That's right.

I understood it, but now I understand it.

Other than saving money or something.

Well, we had a number of things.

We had NERVA.

We had the last shot.

We had the space shuttle.

Remember, those were all on that schedule.

We want to do the things that you're looking to do.

I'd like to kick those out if you want.

I think, yeah.

I think, well, why don't we just dredge the whole thing up and spread it out again?

Yeah.

Now, what I, what I, the one that seems to me to have the least appeal are the more polished shots, right?

What in the hell will they have to go up there and take a look at that damn thing again?

They have to.

I always say they have.

Like what the moon is made of and how it's structured and where it came from and a lot about the material elements and so on and so forth.

The scientists are all very busy on this thing.

And this is R&D in the sense that you were talking about here.

It's 10 years out.

It isn't stuff that's going to be translated into better posters.

Well, I was thinking in terms of finding some money for some of our R&D and really converting NASA to something else and also getting a new name.

I think if you work on all those things, it would be a good idea.

Second thing with regard to, I just tried to call Gooder and I'm not in your office.

I was trying to reach you.

Okay.

But...

What I want to talk to Clark about is the SST.

Yes, sir.

And where does everything stand?

Is everybody mobilized?

Now, I talked to Connelly.

He said he's going to call me several, so be sure.

Did you know that I talked to him?

No, I did not.

Well, Connelly said he was going to talk to two California senators, a senator from Georgia, a senator from Florida, and Anderson.

So Eddie Benson.

I don't know if there are any of them.

Yeah.

It would be helpful to be also talking.

I'll call him and ask him to do so and talk to Gambrell.

Well, I think that's working.

Yeah, I said Gambrell.

But I understood Gambrell's already declared he's going to be against it again.

George Meany told me that on the phone last night.

George Meany is in Atlanta.

But I would say the big gun, from the standpoint of pressure on this,

The other thing, John, is can we get our friends out there, can you get Nan Evans to get a hold of the Boeing people and tell them for Christ's sakes, please, please... Boeing's chairman was doing his assessment, and I was going to give him a message personally, but things didn't work out for us to get together.

But I can get that word to Boeing, no problem.

But we should employ this country, I think, in terms of its jobs.

I mean, after all, I'm sure they're going to make a hell of a lot of money in cancellation.

Nobody else.

Yeah.

Yeah, yeah.

Good.

Well, let's see.

Oh, Stan, he's not very strong.

I've seen him.

I don't know whether you could, but I saw him in a couple of meetings, and the thought was very unimpressive.

I don't know why they ever put him in.

But isn't he in for four years?

The library advisor is a colleague of mine.

It's a bigger job than being in the Senate.

You know.

You got it.

All right.

How about you break for breakfast tomorrow?

8.30?

8.30 isn't going to be the usual place downstairs.

I think all we've got to borrow is talking to running for governor, taking on the president.

Governor, he's an idiot and a crook.

He's at least an idiot.

No, he's at least a crook.

And you realize what that would mean now?

Of course, it depends.

The only thing that is bad for us is he's a very attractive guy to be running for governor.

On the other hand, it's a second thing.

We don't have a candidate anymore.

We could be damn fools to have, but we probably have.

But I mean, we don't have a good candidate.

Peter O'Donnell.

Peter O'Donnell wants to run.

Oh, Jesus Christ.

What about the hearing?

We had him run once or twice, and I thought it was something.

Paul Eggers, he's run well, but he's not that good.

He's no good.

I just want to get the President.

We had him here for the final act.

He looks good as a governor.

He's better looking instead.

But the main thing is we need a senator.

Power is a good senator.

He's our problem.

Do you agree?

Yes, I do.

Mr. President, finally just to come back.

Yes, we talked about some of the other senators.

But...

Some of the Republican senators are not being on the poll because the issue is different now from the way it was two months ago.

The issue now is that he has spent $85-plus million for nothing, or he has spent $85-plus million to carry on a project.

And also, can I make, can I tell you one thing you can commit to all of them on?

Yes, sir.

The way I got Buckley to vote for it, Buckley had come out against it.

And I got him, and I said, he said he wanted to put in some sort of, and I said, I'll tell you what, Senator, I'll personally commit to you.

I'll make it personal good.

But next year, when he comes up again, I will examine the situation to see whether there are any problems on the environment, any of that sort of thing.

But he's an environmentalist, you see.

And of course, if there are, we will want to vet him.

So I may have him.

You can make that to anybody that's worried about cancer and all these other things.

You're supposed to get them to them.

But Cliff Madison, Jack Miller, Wynn Crowley, and Lowell Weicker are candidates, at least.

Really?

Before I turn around.

I don't say that they're good candidates, but they are people where we ought to be concentrating

They're all people you see that are, that naturally are, I think in Cliff Henson's case, I talked to him.

You did?

She told you that?

She did.

And they, well, I did.

Miller, nobody talked to Miller.

But I talked to Cliff Henson.

You talked to him.

You listened.

But Henson just said that he made a commitment in his campaign.

Because if it's put, he could work better on it.

If it could be put in terms of the determination cost.

We've been actually working with the President.

The determination cost, we consider all the allied expenditures that would result in the loss of unemployment, payment of unemployment compensation, loss of income tax, and so forth.

The determination cost, as opposed to the go-ahead cost, are pretty close then.

Very close.

Yeah.

All investors would be over there.

Of course, it seemed to me those same arguments all existed before, but they didn't seem as clear as they did.

The issue presented them in a different fashion.

There they were paying money out of the treasury.

When they voted no, they saved money in the treasury.

That issue is not before them now.

They have to pay money out of the treasury to terminate or go ahead.

So this gives them a chance to say their decision.

Yes, I have an opportunity to go ahead or not go ahead.

Now it's a question of paying money out or nothing.

We're paying money out to go ahead and we're trying to protect the investment we already made.

This is the way we're approaching it.

You've got four or five houseboats that way, didn't you?

Yes, sir.

And we've got some houseboats on Lockheed.

John, do you think you can convince Boeing that we can talk to...

I don't know.

McGruder's been talking to T. Wilson.

Yeah, but he's been working on this on the phone.

He's talked to T. Wilson.

He's talked to Lowell McElwain.

He thought he had it under control, but their statement right after the vote was terrible.

He did get them to hold out making any sort of statement on price until after the vote.

So one minute after the vote, why they came out with a lousy statement.

And I understand Dan Evans has made a bad statement, although I haven't seen it.

Well, he says that it's cruel to get everybody's expectations up again on jobs and so forth unless

a contract can be negotiated and the thing can go ahead and it looks doubtful and so on and so forth.

So he's throwing cold water on it, which maybe is good politics from his standpoint, but it sure doesn't help in the Senate.

So we can get into this.

What are they doing?

They're working.

That's more effectively than thanks.

But are they or not?

They're not throwing cold water at us.

No doubt.

Now, on Boyle, the Boyle then gets down to really cold, moneyless insurance.

Determination, they know that they've got to help the problem.

Yep.

Boyle's forward, they're handling it.

And Magruder tells me that he has made a deal with T. Wilson, the president of Boyle, for the negotiation of a new contract within the numbers, within the lost numbers.

And it's simply a matter of sitting down and talking through what the profit margins are going to be and what the subcontractors are going to get and so forth.

But they have an agreement in Preston.

Now, if that's so, if Wilson agrees to that, then we shouldn't have all these lousy statements coming out of Boeing.

They know that they've got a profitable deal.

I don't understand anything they should do.

Well, I don't know.

I would think it's...

God, if I were living in Seattle with 16% unemployment or 13% or whatever it is, I think the papers, everybody else would have jumped on the discount thing.

Papers will be on board, I'm sure.

Do we have any idea of timing on this?

No.

The Senate won't wait forever?

Senator Raskin was so tied up on the other issue that he has not given any attention to this.

Senator Scott left at 1.15, Mr. President, for Japan.

It's only going to be going five days.

But there's been an opportunity for South and Manseo to talk about the timing of the incineration of Oxfords.

The public is pushing hard for time.

Are you delaying?

Yeah.

We are.

Why do you want to delay?

Because that rally is environmentalist.

We make up this emotional thing.

Emotional people.

So we're pushing this as much as we can, but we're handing out the address to Manseo.

Well, I suppose the old story is that Proxmire will do it, and then the most stupid senators, and that's almost what happens, I guess, most of the time, they wrote something about a mail they'd get, and these environmentalists are a bunch of goddamn nuts, and they write in all these letters, so that the senators think that's the will of the country.

Now, it is probably the will of the country.

If you put it that way, if you put it in terms of how you ask the question, you say, would you favor paying out this money

for continuing or paying it out for cutting, they'd say pay it out for continuing, or if you put, do you favor this if it means the loss of 15,000 or 25,000 or 100,000 jobs?

They vote the other way.

If you put it, do you favor this play on this, all it will do, it'll cost this much money, and all it will do, reduce supply and time between New York and Riverview, they'll vote the other way.

But if you put it in terms of jobs, it's all question of the questions.

The Senate Committee on Appropriations has taken action on the second supplemental appropriations bill, and in that action, the Senate Committee on Appropriations has included not $85.3 million or payout of the SSC, but $85.3 plus $58 million, because they have items in their reimbursement.

of the airliners who have contributed money and preserved the subcontractors and made people .

So the issue is not 85.3%.

It's .

And the appropriations committee, they don't.

It's just a question of sentiment before consideration.

That's why I'm asking him as the one to ask him not to stand there in the face of the finish line.

If they don't want to work on it, I'll do the math.

Go ahead and say I love you.

He's always meant for pre-production.

He's wrong.

We're going to do it.

It's going to come.

And we'll do it in the right way.

His administration, his Democratic administration, has never even thought of doing anything.

Let me ask you this, John.

I think that in this instance,

This is the time we can get that damn business council to get ahold of me finally.

And I want them to get 100,000 wires and letters in here to the key centers.

This order, 100,000.

Now those backers have got the money to take everybody in, but I think all of our people come down with their jackass things and hot springs.

Talk to them and so forth and so on.

I want them to do something.

But Jim Roach and people like that, she stirred up a hell of a lot of wires.

Let's see what Kel P...

We're supposed to have these business friends who do these sort of struts and wires.

Also, help us get busy with the George Meany.

It's going to be wired into the labor people.

And the other thing is that Lockheed has gotten to realize that they, either that we get SSG, or they are going to get Lockheed.

In fact, I told Conley that I'm going to cool off on Lockheed off about that fast.

Magruder has already passed that word to Lockheed.

in effect, and maybe that's, I don't know whether, maybe John Connolly's got a pass, and I'll hit him again, but you follow up with the common goal, the way to do it with the common goal is to see him, to try to cross the street.

And he's a powerful man, and this guy will, you know, he'll know what he's doing, and tell him all the arguments that you have.

The difficulty, the main thing, the reason, one of the reasons I want to talk to you today about it is that I know him, Clark, and you know it in your own experience.

The difficulty with these sun guns, every guy in the House of the Senate is he writes a letter

or makes a speech or a statement and feels he then is committed.

It's like poor old Anson.

Anson can do anything for us, but he's written a letter.

He's in the library, you know, and said, I've written 500 letters.

That's more than a people can write in the damn state of Wyoming.

But he's written everybody there and said he's against it.

Well, you could see Clinton turn around, right?

Right.

We tried to get everything moving last night.

This was over at 6-5 in the situation room.

Now this is on which?

Same thing?

I mean, fourth is good, but that's good.

You're right, sir.

I know how important it is to keep people.

You're talking about getting them beat?

Getting them beat, because then we can swing some of them.

Particularly our Republicans.

You can't gush the guy down after he's been committed and beat him over the head.

In fact, that took a lot of guts for Buck to turn around.

He said he was going to campaign against Benson.

He didn't have the same amount of guts.

Benston had said he was against it in Texas and then proceeded to vote against it.

I don't think Mike would be able to do something with Benston.

I don't know.

What I've done in this afternoon, Mr. President, on the NATO troop level, was to take your December 30th statement from the NATO Council and selected statements made in your statement that were released on February 25th, put them in one sheet of paper, get this reproduced in mass quantities, and it's now being used.

and deliver it around to the Senators and Congress?

Because I think a lot of people forgot about their initiatives on unusual and balanced reduction of forces.

Well, of course, in Europe there are a lot of initiatives taken care of by the Senators and Congress.

Unusual and balanced reduction of where also?

They're increasing their effort by a billion dollars in the next five years, and they're also

The reduction is that we've got to do it on a mutually balanced way.

We can't do it in a unilateral way.

This is basically the same issue as it is in Vietnam, in a sense, but in a very different way.

It's a question that you've got to do it unilaterally and with mutual.

This is the point, sir, that we've made.

Somebody said, but I'm for a reduction.

I'm committed to be for a reduction.

I said, fine.

Support the President's efforts to

on a mutual and balanced basis to reciprocate with this.

That's right.

And we've got some things going on there.

We're talking with Russians about that all the time.

Tell me, are you going to give a 413?

I can be, sir.

I would like to very much.

All right.

You should be there.

When you're there, it seems to me that we have to have a list.

Do you have a list for these people?

Yes, sir.

We have a list within 24 seconds.

You have?

Yes, sir.

Get it.

copies of that made, if you will, and have it ready at 4.30.

Well, I'm sure there's companies to honor those types of things.

Only two, maybe one.

Let's try.

And, no, just have one type of picture.

Sure.

But let's get, this is the type of list of centers.

These are the ones that you think are on the fence.

That's right, sir.

There are 24 that are on the fence.

Well, there are 24 that have said they've made equivalent statements to us.

I won't support Mansfield, but I'd like to find some alternative when we ask them

How many committed to a post?

We have 32 committed to a post.

We had 32 as of 2 o'clock.

On our side?

Yes.

What I will do is to call on you to give us a rundown on that.

All right, sir.

Henry, just think of this.

For Christ's sake, how can I have a dean?

Why do you get 15...

important people in the room except you give them something to do.

You got to give them a list.

You got to say these are the senators we need.

You got to call these people and name each one of them a guy you're supposed to work on.

Right?

What does that have to do?

Some people over here, I understand, have already done some work.

Oh, sure.

George Ball.

Get your list.

Okay, we'll see you at 430.

Do you know anything about Connelly's schedule there?

No.

We're running into a problem.

Secretary Connelly is going to Europe to make a speech on the 28th.

Yes, I know.

He's in the worst way for some testimony on the 25th.

And I don't know whether you have discussed with him leaving early.

He's planning to leave the 23rd.

And probably planning to take a holiday.

But our lead off on reorganization starts the 25th.

And

It would be great to have him in Birmingham.

He'd be the ideal guy for the domestic briefing on the 25th in the afternoon.

That's not quite the city.

But I don't know whether we should ask him to stay and screw up his trip or not.

You go down the list of other people who can do that domestic briefing down there.

Well, but then to get somebody from the cabinet in there who's not a dirty word in the South or isn't running for the Senate in Alabama is kind of hard to do.

The spread is just enormous between Connolly and the next choice.

Vice President should do it.

I wonder if we ought to take the Vice President into it.

Probably not.

No.

And relieve the Southern Strategy for sure.

Yep.

Knock it off against the Southern Strategy.

It does tend to escalate things a bit.

Colleague 837, your ship is on launch.

Well, I don't mind asking him if you have no objection.

All right.

No, sir.

Tell him that I'd like him to go to the LPG library.

But then I'm going back to the floor.

And I think that he and Mrs. Conley would like to come back to the floor and we'll have them stay at the big house.

Can we do that, Bob?

If it is adequate, of course, or is that going to interfere with somebody else?

No, it's better than anybody else.

At this time of year, at this time of year, the hotels will not be private.

They might prefer a villa.

They've got service.

All right.

The house is...

The house is fine for staff.

It's kind of a problem for the I.D.s because there's no service in it.

As far as they can ask you, I'd like to ask you if you will arrange to have a go for it.

And then go with me over to Alabama on the other end.

This will be a nice time.

We'll have a chance to talk.

You can play golf on there.

Well, you can do it in the office.

You can take the ocean, a beautiful beach, a few oceans.

Well, it should be that same day.

We were thinking you could testify first thing in the morning on the 25th here and then come down to Alabama.

Maybe we could run it the other way.

We could run it around the other way.

Could be.

Let me find out.

What I mean is, I guess I can give him a crack here, I think, in a way.

In fact, we can also, can Mike tell him this, if you want to put a little thing in, you can let Senator Smathers go back with his two, he's a great friend of Smathers.

He's going on for Johnson.

I agree with you.

He's a really big, big weapon.

We ought to remember him.

We ought to overuse him.

But I think that's what we're going to do.

It's kind of a unique situation.

That is.

Okay, very good.

Yeah, he sure does.

And he's very good at it.

The way he ties those people in as he looks around the room.

Do you want any kind of charade in Florida in terms of announcements, press announcements or work and all that?

I love the LBJ library on Saturday.

I don't know.

Yeah.

So you don't have any?

I'm just thinking about things to get ready.

We'll have a radio thing.

We'll do a radio thing now.

Have you looked at those radios?

No.

That red cross then?

I don't like the way we have something wrong here.

It says interview and business.

Yeah, it's an interview.

It's a conference, a meeting with them.

Likewise.

That's the thing, you ask them to set up 10 business, 10 top business magazines where you spend, it's a five, one of your five o'clock deals, you spend 45 minutes or something.

Not, not, not, they understand it's not something on the record.

That's right.

And then they go to dinner with Maurice Stamps, who's giving a dinner report on Andrews.

They're going to talk to him on their ears.

You've got some money to spend on Andrews.

Schultz tells me he is about to get royally stabbed by Fortune magazine.

Yeah.

Why?

They're running out of an axe piece on him.

A very bad piece.

Well, I'll be goddamned.

Why did he go up and do that?

He sure did.

This is an early bird's aspiration, apparently.

Well, he suspects that.

So they brought a Time magazine reporter over to do a piece on him, which he says is really bad, and when he went up to do their business group,

Yeah, the other day.

They did him a favor of showing him the proofs.

He went up there.

Yeah.

And they showed him the proofs on the magazine as compensation for his having busted his ass to get up there and do their damn business, man.

What do you mean?

How does it matter?

He said that it takes him on in terms of his confidence and it really puts him down as an accomplice.

It really hit him in his professional heart, I think, yeah.

But he gets distracted by the voice of the Christ and his martyrdom and his abuse.

You know god damn well, I mean, I've watched these men all around.

It's nothing about economics, but I've been exposed to them.

You watch them.

You've seen Burns.

He's merged some indicators all over the place, but he doesn't want to.

Hell, Burns would have lost his head about this monetary crisis.

Let me say, I've got to hand it to Conway when I'm losing his head.

Volcker, remember, he's sitting here saying, will the stock market go to the down 300 points?

Remember the son of a gun?

I didn't hear that.

Oh, yes.

But this is just the price of doing business, I think.

That's why it really hurts.

That's what I can't understand.

That's the thing I don't understand.

It's just, it doesn't fit everything else I understood about ports.

Well, they need to be after us, basically.

They're trying to get at us through, and that's another way to get at them.

You just gotta figure that you give them as many bridges as you can.

If you get it wrong, you're already a decent man to get a stab.

And unfortunately, not me, the politician, who will be sensitive about it.

But let me tell you, they stab old Conley.

They're against the very end.

Instead, I would not have said that it had to be the IRS, remember?

I don't think he's particularly happy about the sidetracking of Nolan when he's taking it well.

He said Nolan had been extremely helpful, and he had to get a special rule with this damn road.

If you do it, parole can be a hard part, but it's better than money.

The third darkest rubbery house will be broken.

And parole just takes and takes and takes.

Yeah.

Are we sure John, the man we put in that job, is a good man?

Is he loyal to us?

Lawyers?

Yes.

Well, he's Mitchell's guy, and Mitchell vouches for him, and he worked with Boucher and McLaren too.

But I can't vouch for him personally either, because I just don't know about Walker.

Why were you against him?

We have one guy inside the IRS who's a fellow named Mark who has been with us since the campaign.

It is his very strong recommendation

that Nolan is a creature of the bureaucracy in the IRS, even though we put him in a year and a half ago.

And that he is our appointee.

He is now Eddie Cohen's assistant in Treasury.

But he is in bed with the IRS bureaucracy, according to our guy.

Now, I'm relying totally on Bart's judgment on this, which has always been good in the past.

He feels very strongly that this would be a terrible sellout for bureaucracy to admit no one.

Barnes?

The only thing I know to do is to rely on guys that have given us good performance in the past.

The only thing I'm concerned about is that I'd be very sure to actually trust the recommendation.

Have we crossed the bridge?

No, no, we've not.

We haven't.

But that's such an important position.

I think, John, you have a problem with that.

I want to be sure, what's his name, Walters?

Yes.

I want to be sure he is a ruthless son of a bitch, that he will do what he's told, that every income tax return I want to see, I see, that he'll go after our enemies and not go after our friends.

It's not as simple as that.

If he isn't, he doesn't get the job.

We've got to have somebody think after a change in this place.

Now, that is the basis on which I inquired about Nolan.

And I am assured that no one will not play that game for fear of offending the bureaucracy.

Do you understand?

I will do nothing to them.

This is the law.

God damn it.

Look what the stinking little bastards did.

The bureaucracy of California.

California, now they're not going to do it to us here.

Look at what they did to Rose.

One of them is going to go after some Democrats.

What do you say?

It doesn't matter if they're doing anything against the law.

It doesn't matter if they're using the law.

So it's the latter.

That's it.

Rather than someone else.

Over in the corners.

It's a selection of which one you prosecute and where you go.

They've got a lot.

They continue to be honest.

You know, that's when you don't get around.

Well, Bob, you remember.

You remember.

They went with a Kennedy order that we go after me on the goddamn house I bought.

Huh?

You don't have to pinch that there.

You don't have to pinch.

Let's just say we want a lawyer.

We want a lawyer here who will tell us how to do things and not that we can't do things.

And I don't know Walters at all, but we'd like a guy like Kleindienst in there who will deliver, you know.

Say what you want about Kleindienst.

I mean, he's a statesman, by God.

He'll do anything he wants.

He'll go right down that line.

He really jumped off a building down there.

I believe that.

He loves to count.

And incidentally, Kleindienst has the ITT thing settled.

He cut a deal with ITT.

We give them Hartford, which they badly need, and they give us Grinnell and one other merger, which they don't need, which they're kind of sorry they got into, apparently.

Now, this is very, very hush-hush, and it has to be engineered very delicately, and it'll take six months to do properly.

Does Mr. Vance have any money?

Janine?

Oh, God, yes.

Does he ever?

That's part of this ballgame.

But let's, it should be later.

It should not be right now.

Oh, no, no, no.

Don't put him on his list now.

As a matter of fact, we should use the go-between that Clint East is using, who's a member of Janine's board.

I haven't gone back, don't doubt it.

No, nothing done until after the deal is over.

Well, we're going through a sort of... On the other hand, John, you've got to realize with this law passing, maybe we can't get anything out of these guys except for $16,000.

Wow.

That law looks like it's not passing.

It was good the night before.

Well, I must say, though, on this, uh...

about it is that first, Jerry went to the map.

We did it first.

And second, now that it's done, we mustn't have our troops in the house think, well, hold on.

Why the hell are we fighting?

Yeah.

And another thing, too, is that I sincerely believe very strongly that the United States should build the goddamn planet.

Don't you?

Absolutely.

It's a job.

It's a lot of other things.

Listen, it doesn't help us to pay those termination costs.

Another thing, Boeing should be told

And I keep cold drinking.

They even come up on this and they don't get another order.

You know, they usually are gonna get a, the hell with them.

We'll go to a company that wants it.

That's the way, that's the way to play that.

That's right.

That's exactly the way to play it.

Jesus Christ, this is ridiculous.

But the fellow was out there.

And they, uh...

Well, you know what happened to him?

He had to have his gallbladder removed.

And he was in the hospital sick for about 10 days while this all was coming up.

And then his doctor sent him off there to recuperate.

He's coming to you.

I made a phone call or two.

On account that he was sick, be sure he doesn't think that...

It's a command.

You can fill it out and see if he'd like to go after I'd see him and the rest.

I'll do the testifying.