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Good morning.

Yeah.

I don't believe he is on.

I took my recollection and I came back.

He is on.

Red Skull is on.

Scott was on, Colonel Bailey was on, and then John Wayne was on.

Because of this long connection, I know so is where this is going to come from.

It is going to come from this connection.

He is a very tough, able man, and he is an independent.

and he puts it out of the quotes on that individual quote.

I'm sure he's saying, man, that's what he said before he gave it to you.

Now, if he gets that too long, Seth, unless he's taken on, he can gladly.

Seth never, he couldn't win before, remember, even when things were better.

Now, I'm coming up today with Reeves Bucking.

Because he called, and I said, I told him that I wasn't really the one for him to talk with, but he wants to talk to me because he thinks we have to do it.

You know, like the New State Channel, there are a lot of people who are going to get anyone elected up there.

And if we're going to carry it, then we do.

I want him to talk to Mitchell.

It's very important that you talk to him.

You can't go over and talk to Mitchell.

Because Mitchell is the overall character of this.

He's talking to someone.

He just wanted, you know, I think he feels like a longtime friend.

He can bury his soul with some rain powder.

Somebody that, I guess, you told us to keep on with for the wedding was Cy Long.

And, yeah.

And, well, he's done, but I was a little concerned about it, because Lauren Berry, who has done so very, very much, and he's still already setting the course and all this all the time.

He was not on Julie's, and I remember he was a little concerned.

His wife is an infallible woman.

I just, I couldn't take too much of it.

I'd be killing him, maybe a bit more than he asked for.

I don't want to bury him.

I don't want him to be buried.

He's an old man.

He probably won't come anyway.

What do you mean?

Well, I'll see how the turn-downs go.

Because, you know, it's still way up in the corner, 29.

I'll be announcing in about a week, maybe, about the pool that he's going to get.

I was calling to tell her, you know, the pattern that Patricia had liked and she had to figure it out herself.

Remember I told you he's going to donate a pool to checkers in memory of that historic visit there and so forth.

You know, I know you have a lot of things on your mind.

Julie wrote, you know, said you talked about maybe she could stay in embassies or consulates or something.

There aren't any embassies.

Unfortunately, there aren't.

In Athens, of course, she could stay in the embassy.

There's an embassy there, but the other two places, Corfu and Majorca, there's just nothing there.

Well, just tell her that's all you do.

Okay, and I'll see if she wants me to make any arrangements.

And do you still feel that you'd sort of like to see Harold Lee for a private dinner that night and get back from Alabama?

As it works out?

I don't want that.

Anyway, keep holding on to something.

No, I think it's easier to just have everything back.

I have to cross it.

And maybe we could have Pat come on and say hello.

Yeah.

We could do that, and that's much easier for me.

Oh, sir.

Sir, he particularly mentioned my family.

I heard that's what I think.

She could come over, too.

I think it's easier.

You've got such a heavy bed, so I brought it up again.

But I'm glad you mentioned it.

I'd rather get it out of the house, but I want to have ours.

It's bigger.

And he could be here with you and Pat, couldn't he?

Or do you mean you don't need him?

No, but...

Hey, Ben, what are your college associates?

Yeah, we did a memory of the year and we didn't this year.

I don't, I didn't even ask you about it because I, you just, there's some of you guys, you can only do a little of the stuff.

Tell her to, I mean.

I just, you know, I just, you know.

Now, it's more than really, you know.

I know you don't have it, and you have enough of it.

I was in the hospital, so I sent him a letter yesterday.

He went in for routine check-up, and seemed to be feeling fine, and got terribly sick in the hospital.

He won't be able to come to win, but I don't know if they ask about...

I think Rose is in question.

It's just a matter of time.

It's a matter of time.

I think it's a matter of time.

Yeah, he's going to kill him because he's drunk himself to death, you know what I mean?

Yeah, and I don't think he is now, but I think it was too late to...

He probably got a liver problem or something.

I think it was too late to save the liver.

Once it's gone, it's all gone.

It's gone and operates.

And being let out of the company, everything all at once is pretty bad.

Oh, he knows that.

And I heard a letter from you.

I just want you to know in case anybody wants anything.

Say, I was at Pat's luncheon when you buzzed the cabinet while I was having that luncheon with Pat.

Well, how was your honorary degree?

That was nice.

It was terribly nice.

You know, I was so thrilled when they put the hood on it.

Yeah.

It did thrill, didn't it?

They were terribly nice.

The chairman of the board of trustees.

Dr. Leonard.

Dr. Humane Leonard.

Yeah.

which was very nice, and I was there so effortlessly, and they were so great, and they had said that I wouldn't have to say anything, but then they had a luncheon, and they asked me to talk, and the speaker for the commencement actually was a rabbi from Springfield, Massachusetts, who is very fond of you, and it was one of the best commencement speeches I've heard.

He talked to those kids, almost everything you hear now, you know, they...

They almost would make 50,000 kids.

He was excellent.

He went out of his way to the lunchroom to come over and tell me that he had a letter.

He had served while he was in Indiana in eight years as a chaplain at the prison.

Apparently they went out of office.

I thought he said a letter from you, but it was a letter from Ray Price saying you had heard it.

And he had the frames.

And he's very great.

Apparently the first rabbi was ever invited to teach at a Catholic school.

They had not had kids when they were introducing him.

But then we saw him at the airport again.

Milt and Ann Rose went down there with me.

They left their apartment in New York at 5.45 Sunday morning.

And they asked me then, without any notice, to say something, to lunch.

Well, that was nice.

And so I talked about, it was an Methodist college or something, and I talked a little bit about how proud I was to work, you know, you know, and how long I'd been here.

Then I said that one of the most interesting things was the worship service, and how much it had done for families, and how, you know, and I said, I see that you all, you have a rabbi who's going to speak, and I have to be a Catholic, and this is a Methodist school, and I, you know, so I tied those to it.

Good.

And I got interviewed on television.

Good.

And they asked me when I got off the plane, and Cardinal Cook had gotten off the same plane, so they were interviewing him, and then they had called the office and said they were going to want to do it.

And they asked a little question about women, which I thought women had an equal opportunity.

They were very foolish to go around screaming and parading and so forth.

And I thought I myself was an example.

If you worked hard, you don't have to burn bras and ticket bars.

Then they asked about

They asked whether I agree with Vice President Agnew's statement about the anti-war people.

And I said, I don't know exactly what statement they're referring to or which group of people.

But if you are talking about the militants who tried to disrupt the government in Washington,

I could tell you that it was just very frightening, it was very bad, and they got, in my estimation, they were handled much better than they deserved.

And he was, well,

And the man asked the questions all very nicely.

He said, well, there have been, people say that the president doesn't listen to these people.

And I said, no, that's wrong.

The president listens to everything.

But he was elected to lead the country, not to follow.

And he listens to everything, and then he does his very best for this country, even for those telecoms.

And when I finished, the young man, I didn't know him, his name was West.

He said, oh my God, he ordered all of your mixes.

And he said, you were right.

That was in Charlotte, the interview on TV.

And then the little town was Spiker College.

You know, you went there.

They're so thrilled.

Some ladies there.

You went with Belle Rose in...

Well, remember when we went to the bad cop's house?

Way back, must have been 65, something like that.

And one of the trustees, who was a very wealthy woman, whose dial-out was her prized possession, was you signing her name card or something like that.

So they were really, extremely nice.

Now that TV wouldn't be here, but I'm sure Charlotte would be in the stadium.

So the first time was a long, hard day.

I got here at 8 o'clock in the morning, got back at 9 at night.

Oh, and the last eight minutes, it was outside.

Beautiful day, but the last day, then the storm came up, and we had to sit there and just get the storm out.

But it was fun.

And many, many people came up to me and said, you know, this is Nixon country.

We just think he's just great.

Thank you.

rather than one of those times.

Well, it's just the thing is we hear more of these other people.

We sure do.

Joe called me.

He was in North Carolina to speak on, I just talked to him last night, you know, that policeman week or something.

And he was in Winston-Salem.

And he said that the settlement there was just all of you.

You know, he was very...

You know, when you talk to Annenberg, I think Annenberg should talk to Mitchell, too, when he comes.

You can tell Mitchell what Annenberg told you.

I mean, it's very important that you know about those things.

You'll keep it quiet.

But you know, we get Rizzo.

Pete Rizzo.

Rizzo's a Catholic, of course.

I can't imagine he's ever supported a Catholic.

But that's probably what you would think of him.

I would doubt that.

He's the lead.

Well, but Teddy Kennedy went in for green.

Huh?

Teddy Kennedy went in, you know, and made some films for green in this primary.

Did he?

Mm-hmm.

Oh.

I was at the paper last night.

Well, Rizzo won't be.

So, I don't think that's true of all, I don't think it's true of any candidates because their heads screwed on tight.

See, that Rizzo's election could never, will never.

That stage is so bleak and nothing.

I know really he's going to be against Rizzo and Ford and Thatcher.

Of course, he's got the damned organization.

Yeah, I'll have to... Amber is just flying over.

They're being in a day or so before coming for the wedding, but I'll have to talk to John Mitchell and see if they can't get together somewhere.

I'm going to call Robert today.

All right.

I never did get to tell him about it.

You know, I never did get to tell him what I heard about it.

Yeah, yeah.

That one roasted lady.

So we had to go immediately to the maximum security room.

And this describes sources that would not be wrong.

I didn't even know they had a maximum security room.

Oh, they do.

The president told me to tell you, but I don't have time to tell you.

Well, uh, we'll leave it up to the president.

It's all done.

They wanted one minor word in the deployment of limitation on missiles.

They want limitation on the deployment of missiles, which is actually more accurate.

They said that for them to change the text of the letter, they'd have to assemble the 15 people, but that he is authorized in here.

He will write it down for me to convey the most solemn assurance that we can do that simultaneously.

And he said he wants me to know... Hello?

Yeah.

will be concluded simultaneously.

And he wants you to know on the instructions from the highest levels that they believe a dramatic improvement in our relations is possible this year.

And that both sides should work at removing psychological impediments.

So I thought I'd call him in next year and let him know that we are letting them have the Gleason train and that we are letting the British computer go.

That's something that's already approved that I've held up waiting for this

And, see, that's why I know this stuff is going to continue.

They need it as much as we do.

And now we have one problem today with State.

I hate to bring it up again, which is Alex Johnson has scheduled a meeting with him today to read him the Riot Act on Soviet Jews.

I saw that.

Now, that shouldn't take place today, Mr. President.

Well, it's Alex's business.

Well, it's really got to be turn off.

They'll never believe that we didn't know whatever.

Because he asked me what that meeting was all about, and he said he hoped it'd be constructive because it would lead to...

It would be rather... Yeah.

Two.

Well, no, one.

Well, he basically...

He doesn't have the ego problem.

Now, one thing we have with Laird, Mr. President, that is outrageous.

He's now sent another memo on sending a deadline in connection with Vietnam modernization plans for the SRG group.

Now, I really believe this is so disloyal because it's bound to be

It is so explosive, and if then the Secretary of Defense is known publicly, I would like to tell him at lunch on my own that I think it is an outrage.

And that we got his view, and for him to put this into documents is really outrageous.

Okay, good luck.

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