{"conversationCode":"501-028","tapeNumber":501,"conversationNumber":28,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-501-028","startDateTime":"1971-05-19T20:28:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1971-05-19T20:38:00.000Z","startDate":"19-May-1971","startTime":"4:28 PM","endDate":"19-May-1971","endTime":"4:38 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Kissinger, Henry A.;","description":"On May 19, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon and Henry A. Kissinger met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 4:28 pm and 4:38 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 501-028 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"OVAL","recordingDevice":"Oval Office","latitudeEstimated":38.8974,"longitudeEstimated":-77.0374,"chronCode":1,"chronRelease":"First Chronological Release","chronReleaseDate":"5-Oct-1999","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 501-28\n\nDate: May 19, 1971\nTime: Unknown between 4:28 pm and 4:38 pm\nLocation: Oval Office\n\nThe President met with Henry A. Kissinger.\n\n     Charles McC. Mathias Amendment\n          -Vote\n               -Forthcoming Kissinger call to John Sherman Cooper\n\nKissinger left at an unknown time before 4:38 pm.","filename":["501-028.mp3"],"tapeStart":"05:02:17","tapeEnd":"05:02:48","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Kissinger, Henry A."],"prevCode":"501-027","nextCode":"501-029","transcript":[{"start":0.03,"end":6.8,"text":"It looks now as if the balance on the left side of one is very close."},{"start":6.83,"end":14.96,"text":"I wonder whether I should call Cooper and see what we can do."},{"start":15.02,"end":17.25,"text":"Come off the hole the other way, Sam, so you can get back."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and Henry Kissinger discussed the legislative maneuvering surrounding the Charles McC. Mathias amendment, which threatened to impact the administration's foreign policy agenda. To address the precarious vote count, Nixon and Kissinger strategized on how to influence key senators. As a direct result, Kissinger committed to contacting Senator John Sherman Cooper to lobby for his support against the amendment.","topics":["Charles McC. Mathias Amendment","Legislative strategy","John Sherman Cooper","Foreign policy","Congressional relations"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T22:24:09.699Z"},"topicSlugs":["charles-mcc-mathias-amendment","legislative-strategy","john-sherman-cooper","foreign-policy","congressional-relations"],"audioDurationSec":17,"audioFiles":[{"file":"501-028.mp3","bytes":699873,"durationSec":17.36,"bitrate":322496,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:49.684Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/501-028.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/501-028","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/501/conversation-501-028","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}