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Conversation 502-009

TapeTape 502StartThursday, May 20, 1971 at 10:09 AMEndThursday, May 20, 1971 at 10:12 AMTape start time00:55:16Tape end time01:01:25ParticipantsNixon, Richard M. (President);  Kissinger, Henry A.;  Bull, Stephen B.Recording deviceOval Office
AudioNARA Description

On May 20, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon, Henry A. Kissinger, and Stephen B. Bull met in the Oval Office of the White House from 10:09 am to 10:12 am. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 502-009 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid
Conversation No. 502-9

Date: May 20, 1971
Time: 10:09 am - 10:12 am
Location: Oval Office

The President met with Henry A. Kissinger.

     Strategic Arms Limitation Talks [SALT] agreement announcement
           -President's talking points with Congressional leaders
                 -Defensive weapons
                 -Role for Kissinger
                 -Credit for the agreement
                       -Kissinger
                       -Melvin R. Laird
                       -Gerard C. Smith
                       -President's initiative

Stephen B. Bull entered at an unknown time after 10:09 am.

     President's meeting with Congressional leaders
           -Carl B. Albert, [Thomas] Hale Boggs, Thomas P. (“Tip”) O’Neill, Jr.
          -Gerald R. Ford and Leslie C. Arends
          -W. Averell Harriman
          -President's instructions

Bull left at an unknown time before 10:12 am.
              -J. William Fulbright
                   -Views on Kissinger's relations with Congress
                   -Congressional vote, May 19, 1971

     SALT agreement announcement
         -Smith
              -Multiple Independently Targetable Reentry Vehicle [MIRV]

     President's talking points with Congressional leaders
           -Effective presentation
           -Text of President's statement on May 20, 1971

Kissinger left at 10:12 am.
Transcript (AI-Generated)

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To ask you whether or not you feel that it's a legal action, I should have said that it was a defensive weapon.
So to you, it was a defensive weapon only?
Absolutely.
And why did you limit both?
Right.
And did you consider that to the outside people?
I did not.
No.
Okay.
Thank you.
I do agree.
I will say it.
Actually, it wasn't fair not to give you more of a place.
Oh, no, no, no, Mr. President.
I don't want the place.
You may leave.
I don't want the place.
You should have the name right here.
They all know.
They all know.
Anybody in the room, they all know.
Everybody stays this way here.
I think the major thing was to say builds and melts phase.
And the credits.
Right.
No, that was fine.
I really believe me, Mr. President.
I have no sensitivity on that point.
And... Well...
If I have...
Now, should I tell the leaders that early in January, this is an outside, outside, I don't want to say this, but early in January, I took a personal issue with the highest level of the record, that's what I said.
I said that.
I said that.
But please don't use that.
They'll use it anyway, but say.
Yeah.
No, I didn't say that.
I mean, I'd say, no, I think you should say it.
I think you should say it.
No, sir.
Apparently, Albert Boggs and Neil are not going to be able to attend the Democratic meeting.
The four garrons are supposed to be here.
They just have not arrived, sir.
We're going to have to wait for them.
We've got to wait three or four minutes.
The answer is close to 10 minutes.
Well, I don't know whether they're here or not.
Their office is set there on their way, sir.
I think I should say, go ahead.
I just want to say that early in January, to these leaders, absolutely.
You should get the credit for the reversion of issues.
And this is the beginning of issues.
I want some more questions.
Dan Fulbright came up to me and said, you've been subverting the Congress again.
I said, how could I have been subverting?
He said, well, the vote yesterday, that was done.
It's an act of subversion of the Congress.
You'll be a marriage.
I wonder whether for dramatic effect, Mr. President, but you are so much better at that.
It isn't best just to read this statement and then go into the history for these guys.
Just say I want to read to you a statement that's going to be released at 12 noon.
Well, I thought that I would very quickly.
I will say, gentlemen, the Soviet-American cross-country nuclear arms have been deadlocked for over a year.
In early January, I undertook an initiative at the highest level to attempt to break this deadlock.
This statement is not allowed to be read.
Very intensive negotiations will be required.
And that's that.
Thank you.
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