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Well, I can tell you what you've been saying to all my friends.

I mean, I didn't see a lot of people come to you.

I hope they don't bother you.

No, I think I did.

I did.

And I saw an author.

I saw his work.

That's what we had.

Oh, nothing.

I gave it to you.

Yes.

I haven't seen him.

How was the residence?

Very nice people.

Yes, he did a good work.

He did a good work.

Because he wasn't from America.

But he's a hell of a man.

His mind doesn't think they have a billion dollars to beat him down.

Well, I'm sorry, but I understand.

And I said, you know, well, I'm worried about him.

He's got a lot of work to do.

Would you like some coffee?

Or tea?

I'd like some tea.

Yeah.

I understand.

He's fine.

He's, uh, he's, uh, we're starting a very, very busy career.

He says we can stop.

I'm sorry.

We can tell, uh, the signer that the meeting was an hour and a half with the Attorney General and the other person who did it.

We don't have anything to do with any subject matter that he may have to get out, so the rest of them are on the list.

Let me say that I've asked Henry Kissinger to sit in front of you.

Yes, sir.

I missed you.

Well, the reason I did ask him to come, I've always told him to, to get to know you and to hold my phone.

Yes, sir.

Fine.

Would you bring Mr. Lee and me tea, please?

Yes, sir.

Now, Mr. Lee is in Hong Kong.

He knows good things, so bring your best statement.

Yes, sir.

Very well.

Thank you very much.

He was in the only home I went to, I guess.

Oh, yeah.

All right.

Well, uh, we have got another way we're comfortable.

It's, uh, I thought that there's a lot of things are happening in the world that, uh, we can't talk too much about.

And, uh, you know, uh, I know you've probably been wondering about, uh, concerned about, uh, me summarizing this nutshell, Vietnam's nation.

We'll be out in Vietnam.

I won't say when, but we'll probably be in a reasonable time.

And we'll be out when the Vietnamese are able.

And they are going to make, they're going to make, given this situation.

And they're going to make some of the best writing that's been done by all who's fishing.

Robert Connick, who was hit right on the nose, he saw that while the press was playing balls at the great, he didn't just let those in North Vietnam eat white.

They've been unable to launch a major offensive since then.

Clearly the economists did not.

They were the bastards.

The Spanish papers have been very good.

But that was finished.

It's done.

Now, the Soviet thing is very important.

Let me say, I don't trust the bastards at all.

They don't trust me.

But you see, that's the way to do business.

We have two men.

They have a group, one man here.

I don't think anybody in this country has had more experience with a Renault than I do, and that's to say in a very good sense, but I know a lot who will trust them.

But on the other hand, I realize that the two of us have to get along or the world's going to blow up.

So, riding on this, and we made this joint announcement regarding the intention to reach an agreement this year on limiting defensive weapons and some categories of offensive weapons at a very high slope,

it will probably succeed.

This is Henry Kissinger, Harold Lee.

So now, I was just telling him, running over things for about 30 weeks, probably for 20 years, if I'm being honest.

Yeah, so now, he's a great guy.

He'll do all sorts.

So, you know, let's say that he thinks pretty good.

And I, and this is, and I, and this is, you know, I love you.

You are, and that is, that is, that is, that is, that is, that is, that is, that is, that is.

Well, she's a great gal, a great person, a great person.

Joe, I think his lust, he doesn't feel

very comfortable about what he thinks is part of the bugs in our joint Soviet America.

No, he's blood.

Oh, has he?

That's what I mean.

The pain that he needs to know.

I told Harold, I don't trust them, and they don't trust me.

And for that reason, the deal is going to either be a covenant or it's going to be no deal.

Right.

Oh, yeah.

Did you convince Joe once?

Oh, yeah.

I always said he's going to go the other way.

Right, I just left the book here, but he, I don't know, he was, he really understood it.

I couldn't, I couldn't tell, none of the things that...

The only reason the Soviet people, the only reason, Charles Calderon, your analysis of why the Soviets did this, this will be, this will be interesting.

They have, they might have, the Soviets are concerned on this.

My hypothesis is that the Soviets, when the president came to office at first, were very soft, because whenever they encounter a troubled moment, their immediate reaction is to go back to it.

Then they faced this dilemma.

They had a geopolitical rivalry with China, which would drive them in the direction of a settlement with Russia.

On the other hand, they have an ideological problem that if they go too far towards us, the Chinese will take over the ideological leadership of the communists.

So in the second year of our administration, they tell me to solve this problem by making a deal with Western troops.

and becoming tough, both to us and to China.

And that's why last summer they had this big metal build-up in the Middle East, the crisis over Jordan and Syria, the Cuban days.

In order to do what?

In order to show to the communist parties that they were actually largely bewitched by a false image.

They had to prove that they were still full of the revolutionary spirit, to not allow the revolutionary leadership to go over to the Chinese, but to protect each other.

By making this empty deal, it was true.

But then they found that there was the development, which meant that nothing, nothing but blood was,

that as long as they were hostile to us, they couldn't tell us everything was true because of the true domestic situation that the family was in.

Secondly, without us, they cannot make any progress in the political field.

Of course, on Thursday, they ran an enormous risk of war in the Middle East as a result of actions over which they had no control.

And fortunately, they found a tremendous deal with Germany alone, created enormous disquiet in Eastern Europe, and created enormous uncertainty in Eastern Europe, and produced it after the Polish uprising.

And right after the Polish uprising, the President had spoken, and I remember the effect of that, that the Soviets would begin moving towards us, which is exactly what happened.

they started moving towards us again.

So, they had an ambition, it is in God, to protect their land.

See, it was January 8th that I sent a message to him, to present the high club, and that started the whole thing.

That's what started that whole process.

So that's our analysis of why the Soviets are beginning to move towards us.

Then they had peripheral regions, they probably think, a long period of time.

will destroy any unity that the West has in some of the countries.

But those are the essential factors, the services of men.

Now let's come to the Firebush Herald, which is actually the most famous thing, which is actually the Chinese situation.

Let me get your feeling on it.

It's a tough one for us, very tough.

As you know, the initiative that we have undertaken there is not, the whole Big Bomb thing was just a comic conference.

That was done.

However, in itself, it was just, on the other hand,

And beneath that is the fact that in a field of trustful exchange of persons, in a field of trade, on the same kind of basis, wrongly speaking, that we have with other privileged countries, an initiative to undertake, the hard work still remains.

The very hard work, of course, is the legal problem, a legal problem having to do with, et cetera.

The problem with that is

For us, for me, it's very personal.

It's very strong.

And it's this, it's how can you be friends?

In other words, how can you let down our friends in Taiwan, changing our position?

You know, because I guess we also face very difficult practical problems.

Gary, you know, once was a Brit.

His Oxford dress is a little bit too pro-British.

Oh, no.

I get it.

No, he's very technical.

Basically, here's the problem.

Everybody wants to desert him, so I'm going to tackle the problem.

The U.N. at the present time, we're going to get both.

What do we do?

What do we do in the face of this?

We're discussing it now, as far as I know.

Now, there must be some reason, however, for Mao and Zhou to make the move toward us, enable toward us, too.

The move is, of course, in reverie, but that also means something.

It's also significant enough.

You know, when I was in Cambodia, a lot of people said that Chinese would intervene.

I knew it.

Now, what is your, what is your candid analysis of what in the hell makes those people take up the press of time?

Just off the top of your head, just for our, our, our, our, looking at what I left, uh, uh, uh, looking from, uh, uh, there doesn't have to be any room of anything that is different inside.

He was always in the very hemorrhage of the army.

was the key to the place.

And as a matter of fact, remember when we last talked, it was back in 67.

When was it?

Yeah, I don't remember.

And I'll say, if you make this trip today, the rest stays the same.

I'll just say it.

Well, I...

like everything that Thomas, particularly Thomas, who we see at night, wondering what the reason is.

Usually there isn't a particular reason.

There's an opportunity or something.

But in this one, it is especially important, I mean, that I think Joe and I feel, after the Cultural Revolution, he would like to go back, say, to about 1838, where there was some progress.

economically, though some of us, politically.

And certainly, they were appearing to be much more respectable internationally.

Those are the three reasons I think we must have in mind making any kind of muscle through this.

I think it's time to get something done.

The old man dies.

What is going to happen?

I assume Joe will be the administrator, rather than me.

Yeah, yeah.

You know, I, the whole time last night, I thought about it for many hours through this morning.

I said, if I were President Nixon, this is purely a hypothetical issue, I was faced with taking, having to take a decision.

By the way, left, right, straight ahead, whatever.

What factor would I think of?

I kept on on that.

I think the crucial fact that it's been brought up, I kept on, I had this feeling, that the crucial time, no, not the time, of making any serious decision, of wondering, impossible.

Oh, it's a great discovery.

Because if you want to make this happen today, and when you are on the top of this city, you may be one hundred feet up.

Like, one is faced with that possibility.

And then, when you have that much power, then the way that I see things, if they make it happen, if you make it into a regionalism, then the possibilities are there.

They're probably there.

You think that in terms of mild death, the possibilities are...

Because of you, I would say that party leaders confess.

I see.

Look, you see, there could be a phase.

Yeah.

And the two of them, at least, have gone through a cultural revolution.

No.

One dropped it in China.

He said they smashed their whole party bureaucracy.

So they don't have to revive their bureaucracies at the arms.

He's right.

I'm so proud of him.

They've all broken us.

They don't have the ability of, yes, they've lost to a good one, of, in terms of making any political, uh, sets and programs.

And that has for very, very long time has made me feel the struggle to stay good before the old man decides to go to a better world.

You've got my colleagues doing that, and then it's, it's, you're not getting the food system that is going to turn up.

Is there anything specific that is causing you to even question this?

If you don't have time to go play ping pong, which I mean, to them, it's a death sentence.

They would put children as the creed of American youths and the product of happiness in society, or they'll have their people at this ping pong table and they'll fall.

You understand?

So this is how it goes, our situation.

But why didn't they do it at all?

And there are two possibilities.

One is, as I said, Joe, having lost the way, he was so damned that he was blocked out of the United National Revolution.

Well, I don't know.

We don't have anybody watching.

You know, this comes up on the surface like that.

And on the far left of this, certain industries, and now they're in Sahara.

Now it's in the region of the United States.

So you see, these things are, there is no, it's very difficult for, to believe, and they're all systematic systems.

All of us have tried, we've been thinking of this, we've talked about this, about it, and it's true.

Yeah, yeah.

That's too bad they didn't get in there.

That's what they give us for dinner.

That's just the extra.

I don't want to give you a little bread.

Oh, fuck.

I won't serve them their popcorn.

I don't want them to take their babies.

And that's about what it takes, wasn't it?

Oh, that's what it's all about.

It's all about rushing off the side of the rock.

That's what it is.

Now, this thing I give to you.

It's all for you.

I have your friends who have asked me to continue the administration.

It's overreacting.

It's jumping off.

The purpose is out.

I said, don't talk about your business advice.

I said, I shouldn't support them.

You're in the form of helping them out.

On the other hand, I think it would be very difficult for these people.

I mean, there's a lot of people out there who are trying to support me.

And they're different.

And to say that we don't want to talk to them about it.

I've said this to two of my friends from time to time.

I've said that you must also understand that it's very difficult, all of us.

We want you all to get on doing what you're doing now, the better.

Because I want you to believe that this industry will get so well now.

I'm seriously pushing for that.

And we'll set the time so that you don't have to be a communist to live off of that.

This is what I'm calling for, sir.

The power, the power of the power of the power of the power.

What Hong Kong and Taiwan and so on, what they demonstrate very holistically, that if anybody ever finally gets on the mainland and gives the Chinese people a chance, they're going to be the greatest damn thing that ever happened.

At least move up to that one.

Let's do it again.

I can even thank Harold and those people who are there.

After all, we are Chinese.

I thought that when you started with something, what they could do, my God, with the Chinese, they don't know how good they've done.

Good God, that's one of the few well-run places down there in Southeast Asia that has fallen low, and they want you.

Runs a good show.

But is there, I am just thinking of in this country, that there is a sort of, what they call, feeling that, you know, China, you can go to bed in China, the fact that you don't have our alliances, your territory, why?

Is that the amount?

Too much.

It's a matter of fact, it's with both China and Russia.

The American people are hopeless idealists.

They always want to make the best of every other form, because we have no basis for it.

It really is true that the Curios design is not that old.

Now, as a matter of fact, therefore, that we have this kind of a list.

Let me say, we're running a very tough, shrewd, pragmatic foreign policy, and we will continue to.

Yeah, and our danger is that running as we do, running as we do, our danger is that on two streets, one,

the hopeless ideals of the press and the rest that they could've got all you gotta do to get along with the Russians to unilaterally disarm and have a good reason to face.

They had to say that because we are not flagrantly indicating how much we love them, that therefore we hate them and we're gonna bring on war.

On the other hand, the moment that our policies begin to show any indication of progress, they kind of go, boom, we're going in the other direction and say, ha,

As this shows, the millennium is coming.

We're going to live in different worlds.

The Russians and the Chinese and the Americans are all bent together.

Now, both extremes are wrong.

The way I look at it, we live in a very, we live in a dangerous world.

We're dealing with very, in terms of both the Chinese and the Russians, we're dealing with very pragmatic, very tough leaders looking after their own interests.

Our policy is to be just as tough, just as pragmatic, looking after our actors.

And that's why we're playing both.

I mean, I do not accept the idea that we should play the Russians against the Chinese.

Great mistake.

You agree completely.

And I do not take the idea that we should play the Chinese against the Russians.

Same.

Now, the main thing, the main thing is to be even-handed.

Whoever treats us right, we treat them right.

They treat us wrong, we treat them bad.

Just as cold as that.

Does that make sense?

Or would you get it with all this necessity that you don't...

It's clearly not inventing on its own hands.

It's what they do.

Yeah.

What about the Japanese?

They've come a long way.

What is their future?

Will they become a major in the world?

Well, let me say what you said.

What's going to happen?

I assume they have achieved an economic progress.

Of course, we're talking about the kings.

Of course, we're talking about nations.

You know, if not for the law, who said, I don't know, I hope I'm not talking about the same child, you're really from your house in one of the most affected towns.

Because you're affecting the heart and the whole body, the whole body.

And there was a lot of swimming down onto the earth.

All of a sudden, discovered this man in time.

He says, why don't we look at the whole nation, including the others, of the dead?

I and the Russians are making their justice for the Indian Ocean.

Think of this, a miserable ship trying to gain some kind of balance throughout the world.

And only superpowers can.

The thing you cannot do with any sand is bring it back to its original form.

And then take 20 minutes to no longer bother finding any more data.

For us, we'll have to satisfy Xander, but it's something else.

It's...

It's more than on the European board.

Let's put it that way.

That's all.

Now, is this one of the things that Joe and I said we loved?

At least show the Russians that they're not going to come in.

Because it was so long, they wanted to be in there.

They said it was ready to go.

It was getting ready.

The communist regime is very aggressive.

They didn't want to come in, or they don't think they want to go out.

This is going to be the whole problem, isn't it?

Yes.

I mean, to the point that I have a lot of inmates, you see.

I mean, that is their technique.

And they came, probably, in order to maintain something in force.

on the people and the main thing is that it's a huge, uh, mountain force.

Why do you, why is it in your opinion that the Chinese would not intervene on the ground and, uh, including Southeast Asia?

Why not?

I mean, just, just looking at the map, you know, we've all talked about any, uh, in the Atlantic towns, in the event that we really want to be using force,

And then Korea was very close to their main center.

Well, they're not going to do anything over it.

They just have to make a point of it.

Because there's a terrifying thought that it was in your name.

That's the real work.

I mean, come on.

I have a terrifying thought that it was in your name.

That's not okay.

They just threw me in there.

That's the kind of thing that we do.

We're all checking ourselves on this thing.

Oh, you think they're going to have a real deal with us?

What do you think?

I don't know.

What about the feeling toward the Japanese?

Well, on the other hand, we cannot...

What they achieved.

When the United States told them to get on their feet, they might.

Oh, they turned over the house.

They turned over the house.

That's where the picture was.

And they're there.

They flew away from, all the way from, right up to India, of course.

They're there.

They're there doing this.

Getting into drunk bitches.

And in Japan itself, I hope that you will not see this, that they're going to have the Olympic Games this year, the Olympic Olympics.

So I, you know, I don't, I don't, I don't say I don't.

They're young, they're okay.

They can't come to your stand.

This is what upsets a lot of agents, particularly the political ones.

uh, leaders, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they, they,

They also are.

So, what is my position?

You are this empire.

Empire.

If you leave, and you're dead, you're protected by a falsely case.

Now, this is the next step.

If you go to the United States, you say, look, we're going to manage you.

If you pay for some of your own defense, sure, we'll put you there further after the...

Isn't that the general feeling?

You want to be able to go somewhere often.

I want to be able to do something about it.

All that adds up to...

It's not a fear.

I haven't been attacked in quite a long time.

It's a very big fear of Japanese deterrence.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Then?

Well, the first case I expected.

All right.

All right, sir.

Yes, sir.

He's the general.

Yes, he is.

I'm speaking to you.

He's a very thoughtful man.

Correct, sir.

Yes, I see.

I recommend him.

Because he's a soldier.

I don't believe in solutions simply by those traps.

He's got it.

I got it.

Boy and girl, right?

Girl, boy, girl.

Two girls, well, a couple of these.

And the boys, well, two of them.

I'll give you the worst.

We've got some new presidential compliments.

They're just gimmicks.

And these are some of the top ones.

I assume you get a kick out of that.

Oh, yeah.

I'm missing a lot of people.

Oh, yeah.

This is the presidential lot.

Thank you.

Home cooking, Chinese food.

Yeah, very expensive dinner.

Which Chinese food?

Banh Xeo.

Banh Xeo?

No, no, no.

Banh Xeo.

Oh, yes, yes, very good.

Very good.

Oh, my God.

Well, okay, I'll do that.

I certainly will.

Who is it?

Okay, thank you.

Yes, sir.