On June 3, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon, H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman, Robert J. Dole, John N. Mitchell, and Stephen B. Bull met in the Oval Office of the White House from 3:27 pm to 4:49 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 509-019 of the White House Tapes.
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Can he still smoke?
Oh, yes.
Can he smoke?
He's smoking, but it's not out there.
Yes.
They're all strong, I think.
He's just down there, and he's sitting there.
He's sitting there.
He's sitting in front of me, and there's nobody else.
Can he roll over to the back door or roll over to the right or something?
The only place he can take a picture is if we're having a cigar here in the evening.
I tried those.
The Dutch make some good cigars.
I used to get Dutch cigars and they, I suppose those are Indonesian.
I don't see that, but that's where we get the difference between us.
The Cuban cigars, I didn't know mine.
You're not in the mind.
No, no.
They do take it with no label or anything.
They smell different.
They taste different.
Why is that?
I have no idea.
They said it's both because of the tobacco and the road.
They know how to make them.
But they've got the same cigar makers now in Florida.
The Cuban cigar makers are now in Florida, but they're working with Canary Islands tobacco.
Something that just isn't the same.
It's really, it's amazing.
You don't get into the press anymore, do you?
I think one of the best reasons for not doing anything tomorrow, gosh, is the one that you mentioned.
But they look back at it wrong.
And I just think it'd look like a goddamn reaction song.
Don't you think so?
Yep.
I don't think we should ever do anything with the press when it appears like we're doing that.
That's...
I really think that's right.
I think, of course, you were just right.
No, but the television press and everybody played that.
I don't think enough people appreciate how good he is.
Because he knows he can't blow up.
I'm going to cover a story on him.
Well, what's that?
You should ask.
Screw him.
I will not.
I'll never see time go by.
I'm never going to see time go by.
One day they'll want to go on a cover story.
We've got better news for our time, you know?
If you figure the time you spend on one of those characters, you might as well spend it preparing for a press conference.
Correct.
Right.
Yeah.
They talk to you about this diplomatic reception, reception.
Trish wants to get us, I'm just going, you know, Trish wants to get a picture before you go.
They hit it with Pat and Eddie and Trish and
I think it's for one of the magazine stories.
And then in the receiving line, the thought is it'll just be Trish Eddy and Adele Rogers.
Their plan is not to have you and everything have you attend at work and not be in the line at work.
No, I don't have to do that, too.
I really feel it will not work because I think they're going to...
I think you've got to be in the line.
Otherwise, the whole diplomatic corps is there.
You're going to get caught by the...
I'll get caught, and the thing is, I think that I'll get caught by somebody bantering about some silly goddamn thing.
And I don't want to do that.
I'd rather be in that line shaking hands than leave.
Yeah.
Now...
And I don't know if this comes from church, they were suggesting you might want to make some kind of remarks at the end of the line.
Say something about the process of being a presenter with a gift, your job, an automatic quote, and then a good sentence.
You can break, too.
They end the line, you do that, and then you leave.
You just walk out.
Someone else is farting.
No.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
The Polish kids are cute.
You have to look at their faces and forget about their shoes and everything else.
And you think, well, it's just the Polish kids.
But a different world they're in here.
A very different world.
It's been tough when the communists have done these exchanges.
I always thought that there's one thing that I would like to do for such groups.
I know we don't give them anything.
We give them tour.
We don't give them anything expensive.
But couldn't we give them a lot of something?
Couldn't they be given a...
They were some sort that they could carry back.
Not a picture of myself, but they're little kids from Poland.
I would love to give them something.
But they're so poor.
So if we could give them something into the heart of the day, what could you give them?
Are there matches?
No, not matches.
Just pens.
How about the other pens?
These are the type that this much good for a little kid.
How much do you read the title?
It's just amazing.
I had this one, I swiped, I don't know, a year ago.
I wear it every day, and I can't think, it looks like it's pure gold.
I know it was where it is, and I saw it at a press conference the other day, and one of the guys was wearing one.
A lot of people wear them.
And it's just amazing how it holds up.
How much does the title list, less than 10?
I can't say.
Why don't you see if you could give it to these kids?
Polish kids, Philadelphia kids.
They've been here twice, and I think we gave them things before.
You know, we gave them punch and everything.
These kids are good pens.
They're cheaper, I think, than all our old pens.
They're going to the bowl.
I have a hand here.
The type of, the name of the type of the box costs ounces, which is a tough one to tell us.
I want to see it.
This is the guy after the restaurant with the washed-office.
I think we've got to get it done.
Thank you, Jerry.
Thank you.
What is the least expensive thing?
Uh, those are 90 cents, sir.
How the devil can you get into that?
That's the one to use.
That's the thing to give them.
They'd like that, but they're not bought.
Fine.
You have the Polish kids.
They're probably still in town.
At that price, you can't go.
That's bad.
And also for the Philadelphian kids, you might as well be all that much.
You might work on the right way.
Well, you know, before we get to the other thing that I was very...
I thought you would be delighted, John, to hear this, that he'd never seen the press corps of God damn mad from those cops out there.
Oh, they were, yes.
I was the object of their hostilities.
And he said, I've never seen Ron so mad.
He came in here, and he says, those pictures, they were incredible.
The other thing that he said, too, was the old pictures that he said, they were incredible.
Did you hear them?
They all did.
Yes, I did.
Oh, yes.
The old shot, did they send you in here?
Who sent you in here to tell us that?
He said, I don't need your contempt.
I'm glad you told him.
Now listen, they're on the wrong side of this issue.
The folks are for the police.
Right, Bob?
I see Kennedy stuck his head up here.
Against us?
Yeah, on the district sign here.
Great.
I just can't imagine who was advising him.
I was delighted to see the Civil Liberties Union jumped up yesterday, too.
That's the only issue that is over 70 percent, where people agree over 70 percent.
What it is, what they think about the war and everything else, they're against.
What they got out to me was a gun control legislation.
They for it or get their for it, of course.
What do you tell them?
I told them, but the same thing I've told every other damn committee that's asked me about it, and that is if they just pass a night in 68, we have to give it time to make it work.
If it doesn't work, well, it can be reviewed again on the Congress.
This is the will of the Congress.
We have to abide by it, and those six times we see whether it's practical or not.
Let me ask you, if it's only one thing you are changing, that's the manufacturing of those money-hunger guns.
You could probably solve that.
Well, this is pretty difficult, actually, without getting into a gun...
lobby, and so forth.
Yeah, with the gun lobby.
No, but the gun lobby is against any incursions into the elimination of firearms.
Well, tell me how you get along with your killing partner.
I haven't heard you been attacked by an angel, but not you.
I haven't been.
I've been out for a week.
I just came back dead.
I thought of a prophet.
How do you praise him?
He's been great.
Some darn good president.
First, you get far over the prime.
You start with that.
Of course, you should.
You have to for a reason.
You don't have a hell of a lot more presidential candidates.
Right.
But we had a president.
I get it.
I get it.
That's my mistake.
You get far over the prime.
But the other thing is, doesn't he really got, at the end of the rundown, you see, we watch this stuff in a broad way.
It goes up and down.
Some days you'll get on a thing that they'll respond to.
Overall, you've been getting damn good friends.
I think we have at least a party people.
We've been in 26 states now.
We've been in Ohio six times.
We've been in Florida seven times.
So we're just going to make 78 seats.
We're going to stand in line.
Are you doing a lot of tolerating too, Bob?
You're doing all the tolerating you can.
It's like they're in the hospital.
Do you think they're in the hospital?
I think you should probably do it anyway.
You're in Portland, Oregon.
You're in Portland, Oregon.
What can we do there?
People may react with you, President.
I thought I'd have to discuss the problem in Oregon because of his opposition to the President.
Really?
Do you know him?
I was there last Thursday.
It's hard to get a kind word, so don't mess it in your speech.
Don't do it.
People bought tickets thinking he wouldn't be here and he wouldn't be... What did he say?
Well, he wasn't there.
He wanted me to sit down with the lumberjacks.
We were trying to find something to be agreed on.
Well, the lumberjacks...
Bob, what about Tom McCall?
Did you see him out there?
No, he wasn't there.
He was in Illinois at some, uh, industry meeting.
But see, there's a little game going on.
McCall's been running his tag team when they got him off the president last year.
The president's saying the tag team's short.
McCall went up to the Senate.
They set him up out there.
He's not sitting there quite sure what he wants to do.
But he's the big key out there.
Got it.
Very well.
Right, he is.
And I talked to the commission and the state chairman, and people are fairly objective about half of the disease in deep trouble.
We've got a survey showing that 30-some percent of the people who are against him in primary.
Well, that isn't the program in primary.
Right, but he's got it in there.
I've heard he might kill one of them.
I think Mrs. Smith went running into Reverend May a couple weeks ago, or two weeks ago.
You know what she wrote, don't you?
I don't know what you said, but she just thought you were great about everybody and said you were the best defense of Vietnam she heard.
I thought I'd start with my daughter, who will be 18 next year.
And I go back to the White House.
She was five.
There wasn't a single casualty.
She doesn't remember that because she was only five.
And again, just 63 in the box.
I heard it on the first news.
And then they go up to Tom and says, my daughter doesn't remember that.
She was only nine.
She doesn't remember that Bucky voted for it, Bucky voted for it.
The way Bob's telling that is dang good.
He's telling the story.
He's telling the story.
Do that and keep doing it.
What we're saying is, how long does it take you to get that?
Five minutes.
And the point being, the young people are frustrated that they look at the White House and say, and they see President Nixon, what's he going to hear?
During those eight years he didn't vote for appropriations, he was practicing law, he didn't vote for the Gulf of Tonkin resolution, he had no policy-making role.
In fact, on January 20th, on the doorstep there were a million and a half men, 31,000 casualties.
And the point is, this is the dilemma the employer faces.
My daughter just won.
What will she do in 72?
The war's over?
And the thing that really puzzles me is that I get a lot of POWRs.
I've been very active in that for a number of years.
And you can just see a change taking place.
And it really worries me, because if you get, I had a tentative floor from Kansas Friday night to dinner.
A year ago, they were all going home for presentation.
That's right.
Now they're all going the other way.
You know, fix the date.
Try everything else.
Why not fix the date?
My husband's not home.
You know, I don't blame the wives for anything they want to do.
I don't know how they've been seduced, though, Bob.
I've met with them time and time again, trying to be helpful to them in certain areas.
And they have just, within the last six months, almost gone over the other way.
I don't understand it.
But you get the wide advantage of our marching around Washington and the whole emotionation created.
It's going to be tough.
Was it necessary, Mr. President, that this prisoner exchange be bungled the way it was?
You mean that the, uh, Mr. John, what was the rule about all this?
Well, I'm talking about the fact that we couldn't get them the hell back up there.
Well, that was the only way to go.
It was the International Red Cross interviews, and that's the rules of the game.
Were they in there, the Red Cross?
Yes, they interviewed them.
That was the rule.
That's the way it's done.
They interviewed 500 and 600 of them, and only 13 agreed to go.
Can't force them.
It's just like the same thing happened in Korea.
Now, that wasn't us.
I'm suggesting it was somebody over here, but somebody on the scene over there.
The big wall of our prisoners, the ones that Southgate can be sold to the third country.
Nobody will take them.
Well, it really matters as a result.
I understand.
I think you're, I think you're, it's a tough one.
I think we're going to get some, it's kind of the, as you get to the end, what the hell else is there left?
The difficulty is just sort of holding it until then.
It takes some time.
I mean, there'll come a time when, after all, when we have no reason not to.
But you've got to go a little bit more than the possibility that they aren't going to get it until they do.
You see, and Bruce is going over this in great detail.
Bruce said it.
He says, I went right down to him.
I suppose to give you things.
He said, you can't do that.
That's what Johnson did.
We halted the bombing.
What did we get for it?
Discussion.
Two and a half years.
We cannot set a date in return for discussing it.
That's really the main issue.
We can only do it in the event that we get any agreement to go on.
They're disturbed about the residual force, and they say we can't get our prisoners.
How can we get them back with 50,000 men?
The point is that we never, you see, we had a half a million that we could not offer, but we'll get out if we get some prisoners.
You see that?
We're knocking it out of the grain.
There's a force, and we're saying, look, we're keeping it here only for this purpose.
And of course, we'll have bombs and everything else in there.
But here's the purpose.
Where is it?
Why is it coming up?
It's a beating.
It's an accident.
The point is, I don't know much more you can say except that
that the residual force argument is absolutely, there isn't any question that that will work.
We've never, we haven't, we only announced that we'll, we cannot say right now, we'll exchange prisoners for that, because we have a few more months to hang on.
But that time is coming, and it's coming rather soon.
And I sort of sense that the prisoner thing is tested,
It's very dangerous.
It's a very dangerous issue because you get the wives and mothers trading around the capital.
And they don't want to do that.
They love their president.
They love their husbands more.
I don't see that you don't reason them after their husbands have gone seven years down.
And many tell me, the 28-year-old attractive young ladies, I'm going to get married to them.
My husband's dead.
It's tough.
But I think that just beside that, I see that really as it'd really be blown up by the opposition.
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
I have a very much in mind.
Any answer for that?
Well, I think all the stuff I get to generally use is clippings.
I know.
You don't just write those counts every day and try to make them clear.
Yeah.
Let me say, I think you're going to look pretty good on it.
You see, before, you said be patient.
They waited five years, but now you're talking about a matter of months.
That's all.
It's a matter of months.
We haven't very much, and it's, look, we're, but the main point is that you can say that we are, we're playing a hard game with these people, all they have to agree to do is to discuss the matter, and I'm keeping their feet to the fire, saying we will not do anything unless you agree to release.
Then we will, then we will discuss.
They've got to agree to release prisoners before we will discuss this, and that's what we get down to.
Now, we also have one other condition, and that condition will soon be met.
Is there anything that we ought to be discussing, talking about survival, defense, areas we get pretty broad agreement, same thing we've been discussing, but pick it up and use it.
In the four months that we've been discussing that, is there anything you think that we ought to be talking about?
I mean, we're going to have a Republican group now.
Emphasis, John.
On order to vote.
Pollers are extremely hot.
In fact, President St. Bruce and I are the citizens of the ballroom here in the Bible School.
At least, I've done a job better than I could ever do.
You have up there the
information about what the previous administration did not do in this dope narcotics bill.
You should have that.
It's an unbelievable story.
And about how they raised the budget 1% over the year, over 10 years, the decade when the problem was mounting.
And how this administration has taken all these initiatives and the foreign
of sources of supply, double the budgets, put these things together, et cetera, et cetera.
Something that is a very good story.
I even find the businessmen are very impressed with it.
And of course, the president's got some new programs coming out, which of course, and all of his background can relate to it as they come.
The fact of the matter is, they did nothing about this problem.
Their Bureau of Narcotics was rife with corruption.
The Bureau of Dangerous Drugs was over in ATW, where I guess they were testing them over at that time.
Underfunded.
Underfunded.
Undersupported.
This is the first real offensive against drugs like this.
the gnarliest problem, particularly in the upper middle class, Republican audiences, as you would guess.
We should talk about the problem, and we should talk about what we're doing here.
But we need some of this talk.
I think they're just keeping the upbeat thing.
The rate of inflation is reduced.
Retail sales and everything else fights upward.
And the climate, of course, always comes down.
That's an end will.
End will there again.
passing through.
And also, I would certainly, on the whole of the flight mission, I think you've got to get, never miss an opportunity to get the business.
We are attacking the problem of the flight without war.
That's the legacy.
Two million, now there are 2,200,000 in the workforce that were in it before.
Hell, there's your unemployment number right there.
Where'd it come from?
These people are on the war.
All of our increased consumption.
And, boy, they have the time-reaching worries, and unemployment is the result of defense and war.
Now, being sad, we're not even tired of increasing that drug.
That's right.
And therefore, we're trying to get in Seattle.
That's a tough place to go, which is to say, somebody's gone hard with the airframes industry that's present, and he's continuing to fight for it.
We've got other ideas we have.
Damn, I don't see how they keep their hope up there.
Of course, they were a one-company town, right there.
They got the hell we've got.
It'll come back.
It's a beautiful place to live, don't you think, Will?
I do, indeed.
And of course, there was a tremendous influx of
people into Seattle to that airframe industry, and they will meander out, and of course they'll start with a new base.
California's tough, too, isn't it?
California's tough, yeah.
California's mostly in the south.
There's lots of tough around here.
The Republic of California is where it's tough is in our strong areas.
Yeah, the Republican areas.
Santa Clara County in the north and the north part of San Diego County in the south.
And the reason is because there again is a goddamn airframe in Portland.
Same with Kansas, Wichita.
Yeah, Wichita is 10.5%.
What'd you say?
About 10.5% Wichita.
Okay, good.
It's all related to Boeing, Beach, Cessna, Lear.
Well, they're working on other things, don't they?
The Chamber of Commerce is going to give up.
These things happen in a pre-con.
You can't just keep it up there, but it's going to be a hard one for you to swing at for a while.
I'd never fail to rub it in that they are a party of...
I don't think, they're the party of war, and they're a party of war.
They only had high employment with war.
And that's about them, too.
Right.
Yeah, we can't go through that.
Well, the routine, you know, 61, 2, and 3, I mean, their average there and our average is going to be lower than that.
I think they don't care that they love the war.
I think generally, for example, in 1961, we were supposed to carry over the market on the 6th, 7th, 8th, 9th, 10th, 11th, 12th, 13th, 14th, 15th, 16th, 17th, 17th, for that year.
And it dropped the next time.
Otherwise, we're just, we're in Louisville today.
I'm not sure if we're in a site selection.
I don't know.
I don't know who's in there.
Louisville.
Yeah, Louisville.
Louisville.
We've been in a photo.
Oh, yeah.
Who's the lady?
Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh,
I thought all we got to do was say, what are you here for?
We all need to pick San Diego.
What else?
The President said.
In the stating of Californian politics, there's an issue on cyclimates that's going to come up to you in respect to a bill in the Congress.
It'll be a political bombshell in California if this administration doesn't support that.
Congress is going to pass it anyway, and we'll look like a bunch of damn fools.
So you might bear that in mind.
They are, but this is to allow the people who were involved in this problem to go into the court of claims and establish a claim and get paid for having taken their property away from them.
And this is the canners.
This isn't done.
Kenwood and Pepsi-Cola, this is the canners that it's hurt.
And they're going to really hurt them in California if this thing isn't straightened out.
We should support it.
I hope you will, because I'm sure somebody in the woodwork over at AGW doesn't like the concept of treasury just as commerce.
Maybe we'll have to support it.
Well, for Christ's sake, let's get out of this issue.
We don't give a crap.
What are your...
It seems the sun has gone off and gone off on the boardroom.
You know, on a domestic, we passed your first reorganization today.
The first thing was at the beginning.
And I guess we've got about two weeks tomorrow.
One year's time.
That'd be a 10 to 12 o'clock.
I mean, of course, the coaching is Tuesday.
What would you like to do with that?
You mean the one that's going to pass?
I don't know.
They didn't try to change it.
They didn't listen to us.
They didn't want to straighten it out.
They didn't want to tie it to the tabulation.
Well, we've got a man on the house pass.
We've got a man on the house pass.
We've got a man on the house pass.
Part of all of our people has been aware that they want to start an Exxon house, so it's going to put it in a very difficult place.
Let's just look at it purely in political terms.
I mean, if you, we, I knew you were last year, so you're looking at this year, you know.
If you hadn't, just take it and say what you want.
Well, it's not funny.
Well, you don't want to do that.
You want to be a little irresponsible.
And it probably is.
They turned down our van parking, I think, past this time.
So we don't, our van parking had 350,000 public service stops.
It says 150.
This, this has one hell of a lot.
I think by doing this, it might make it easier to recode and accelerate it a little bit worse.
You know, you've got to get back to, you know, I said I had Appalachian tied to it, which is very popular.
But you've got to get the package.
We tried to work it out in Congress.
The Democrats, straight party line, they want you to veto accelerated public works, which is two billion dollars for public works.
Of course, the benefits are not next week.
There's four and five years.
Well, which would be exactly the wrong thing to do.
You'd be putting in the public works for a time that you don't want the economy goosed up with more spending.
The point is, if you would approve the public employment...
The other is coming fairly soon.
It's been passed from the House, and we've gone to conference.
I don't think we can do anything about it.
I think we're going to, it's going to be passed.
We could probably sustain your veto on public works, you know, for example.
Very, very strong, very much in favor of public works.
on the theory that accelerated public works does nothing from employment.
It doesn't do a damn thing.
It doesn't do a damn thing.
Most of it is in the construction industry without a problem of inflation and high wages.
Yeah, yeah.
Well, the other one, of course, is really tough.
I guess the jury has always fought so hard.
Of course, they did offer you a substitute in the House.
Well, I'll get this down to you.
That's right.
That's right.
We can do it.
I think we can do it.
We should make it.
We did it, but the trouble with mine is... Huh?
No, that, uh...
I'd understand if you knew, but I think there's a hell of a lot to conclude about.
You vetoed that, Mr. President.
They'll wrap that around your neck from April 1972.
With regard to what?
Oh, you vetoed it once.
I know that's what makes it tougher to sign at this time, but I think it balances the bill perfectly.
But on the other hand, you can say, well, even the leaders, you know, they pride in the Congress.
The Congress is price.
It's a democracy.
That is garbage.
If anything, if this bill wasn't the last one,
Basically, Bob, I don't, I haven't met him, I don't know where he is.
He said we were that different.
But I was wondering if there was anything that could be done that would have changed his life.
The thing about this, the whole thing, you're going to, I mean, we're going to have some, it's going to be hard to deal with your lives and a few other things.
But the war issue will recede.
It'll be...
Green plus by next time, and there'll be other things in the international field that occur.
So your real problem is really a plant, which will improve, but you don't want the damn thing to hang high too long.
I don't know, a billion dollars, what the hell?
I mean, I just think that I've had enough of John Earp, who I'm standing here raising, just raising the plank that I'll need to be out of
Yes, sir, because it's going to be the issue that they have, and they're going to use this because it's the magical dialogue all over again.
All they do is say, oh, yes, yeah, bad times, but also here was the chance the president has no compassion.
He doesn't want jobs.
Of course, people don't relate him to what kind of jobs.
It's just jobs, jobs, jobs.
The main thing is, of course, get it in, and then you can get it in and use it and get the sum of it reputed.
I don't know.
I think it would be fairly discretionary.
This would have one, at least yet, but if people were to meet it, that's attractive.
If the public works, if the public works, it would be vetoed, I can assure you.
We said that in conference.
It will be vetoed.
I can assure you.
I agree with Dan about that.
I've got a squeal.
But on this one,
The other one, I must say that, because I tell everybody, it isn't going to help the employment here.
This one now poses a real problem.
It's the same argument.
It's just, but it would have locked it.
Well, except you made progress against inflation, got a turnout in the economy, you could go through a lot of economic mumbo jumbo about those are the same, but the conditions are different.
Well, yeah, if you make progress, then you should.
You've got to turn around and tell me that's an argument.
I know this is one way that you've got to work.
But the thing about it is that it also would provide an opportunity to clean some of the boys out of the cities.
You know?
And I don't know how much discretion is... Let's suppose there is discretion to put it in the right places.
By God, I had a grizzly ship that got to goddamn places to put it.
I'm afraid that Congress probably ties the hands there.
I don't give as much for Arkansas as you do for New York.
But let's suppose that you were able to go into a place like Southern California, and frankly, and stuff and so forth, you'd pick up.
But the kind of people you would put in this are really the unemployables.
Unapplied in this country is always going to be a four to four and a half percent under any normal circumstances.
There's just that many people that either float or are unemployable.
And that's what this does.
It takes these people.
And frankly, that's some great leads.
I'm curious what the hell with that thing is.
Do you think it's a good idea?
But if they are, we've got to look at the politics.
I understand there's a Gallup poll coming out that shows Muskie and Humphrey and Kennedy all, Muskie running two points ahead of you and each other two, one point behind.
Harris is also coming out and saying the same thing, but working from the opposite direction.
Harris is saying that their lead is narrowing, because he's always out of the way.
Harris, I don't want to dig out, but precisely the question, we were just confronted by reporters, you know, this is going to be published on Sunday.
Here's the line that I use.
You can't beat somebody with nobody.
And that really gets the reporter's mad.
Like you said, you can only run one candidate.
Well, the other thing has gone cold, so you've got to say that it made less money.
A little rebound in farmers.
I think we're going to be in pretty good shape with the price of our people, I believe.
It would have paid you on that on the other side.
The damn price index keeps going up.
Are you going to go to the very front?
I don't know.
I wouldn't buy any of it.
That's the trouble.
It's more psychological.
Everybody else in the world sells it to them.
Canada, Australia.
Not the awfulest.
I don't know what's on it.
It would be wild.
I should be honest with you.
There's a farmer who holds it.
They may buy some.
And they did.
They sent 800 million Chinese, started with Chinese, and started buying our wheat.
See, they bought some in Canada four or five years ago, remember?
And they paid in Australia.
And they paid cash for it.
We couldn't even sell it commercially because there's some provision you have to ship your stuff on American bottoms.
Because that American bottom kills us on that kind of sale.
Brother, all the list is a plus for us in the car numbers.
It looks like there's food in there.
No, actually, I think you're on the whole thing, Bob, that considering the fact that we are right at this switch point, that is, I mean, we've been through the rumps of the war, and now it's going to be our way, and the economic being the same, the issues of the years move in our direction, then where the hell do they go?
You know what I mean?
You can just sense it, and I think it's just waiting to be uncapped on the enthusiasm
Just like it was in Alabama.
It's there all over the country, but the one cloud is the war.
Sure.
I talked to conservatives, businessmen, women.
They were talking about the war.
Absolutely right.
They told me everything we've got should have done.
I was at the Rasmus Association, and I talked to a good mix of supporters.
A lady, a good conservative, but she got through.
She talked about the war, and she had a 17-year-old son.
Yeah.
And once that's virtually over,
You watch it go.
The interesting part about this unemployment, it's just, I couldn't give you that assurance two years ago.
But now you see it's sort of like the numbers.
Well, I did it.
We decided on your day.
How about you're down?
Because the cash is down to zero.
They're this week at 48.
Next week, it'll be 30.
They'll be coming down.
The interesting part about the unemployment, it's in pockets.
It's not across the board like it has been in most previous occasions.
This is going to make quite a difference politically.
Mr. President, I think your toughest legislative problem that you're going to have between now and the election is going to be that health bill.
And I can just see what they're going to do.
They're going to keep going and going and going until
late next spring or sometime, and they're going to pass one that's Teddy Kennedy's $70 billion or whatever it is, where you're going to have to take it.
I'll let you be, Joe.
You don't care what it means.
Bob, I agree.
That's what I'm trying to say.
I think there's going to be a lot.
I will have to be.
I cannot destroy the American medical system.
Well, I would hope that somebody gets to work on bringing all the forces together to try and come out with a bill that's... Well, I think Richardson's working like hell on it.
He knows he's doing it.
He hears it pretty effective.
Well, I have a meeting on the next one.
Oh, no, I think that's the point.
We're not clear as to where the other forces are.
We've got our position, but I met with the ANPAC people the other day.
No, hell no.
They're completely changed now.
What they're saying is we're not so far apart.
Let's us get together.
and find out where the other troops are.
Oh, it's unbelievable.
Well, the point is, there are a lot of forces that should be brought together to see if you don't work out a majority on the ranch.
I know that's being done.
It is being done.
If I wasn't being, if John's domestic counsel forgot them and get them all in the road, if it wasn't the unpacked people that mobilized them, they've got to be mobilized and they've got to fight.
I mean, we're fighting their battle over here.
You just need rollover play over.
That's how the county goes, $76 billion.
So I'm telling you, David's baking me.
I don't know why that happens.
I think if you ever get a question on Black Caucus, you know, there are 60 recommendations.
You know, someone's squealed about it.
Handle the mourn, sorrow, and the anger which you might cry out, and I met with them.
And they submitted these, the 12 Congressmen.
I sat down and I said, I appreciate all your things.
We can agree with you on some things.
We cannot on other things.
We have to, of course, do what we can.
And we did.
We supported some of their propositions.
We had to reject others.
But we believe that we've done the right thing.
But then, just for the smile, you can say, it's a done deal, if the President had approved all of their requests.
it would have added $102 billion annually to the budget.
That's what the Black Caucus said, $102 billion a year, which would have been a 50% increase in taxes across the board.
That's the way to crack them.
That's totally irresponsible.
Well, you know what they're asking for all of you to think about, meaning a $9,000 minimum income and all that sort of thing.
Just lay that right out there and say, now what can the president do?
Sure, you can't satisfy him.
You say, why did the Black Caucus disagree?
Because the Black people give them everything they want.
Nobody gives them everything they want outside of this government.
Kennedys, of course.
That $76 billion health bill would result in an increase of 40% in taxes.
One or another.
That's the other side of the cross.
I read most of it.
Thank you.
Don't read too much.
The other thing on the war, let me tell you that I know it's a tough one right now, but you've got to hold tight on it for about just a few months.
You're going to go there in August.
I've never been there.
I can't take on the full drive.
You haven't been there?
Oh, you should go.
I would have gone earlier, but everybody was going over a certain place.
I remember last year he was supposed to go, but he didn't go.
You'll find it extremely interesting.
That's quite encouraging.
They're going to make it tonight.
But the point is that, you know, you pick up the enemy.
So you'd think that there'd been a hell of a big defeat in Cambodia.
There wasn't.
But all that was involved there, the Naxal people were withdrawing from that country, that area, and there were graces in the enemy attack.
It was a hell of a battle.
But that doesn't mean a goddamn thing.
Have you noticed that they have not had a significant...
I look at the labs.
Did you notice?
Look at the occasions this year.
The whole goddamn year, never went over 100.
In fact, only one week went over 50.
How did all this happen?
Cambodia lost.
It's all down on 68th and 52nd.
That's quite a reduction.
But coming back to the war, I agree that the POW lives were a problem.
is to say that we that we that you know they've been you know kidding along for a long time but now because they look we are and don't underestimate what this man's going to do he's with you all the way and uh but you've got it but we are we he was not going to trade a you know he's uh he's not going to take it by hitting the pole and that's just what's involved here
We've gone over every offer they had on this thing, believe me, about every one of them.
Bruce is examined right down to the line, and they will only say they will discuss prisoners after we're gone.
That's all.
I've just been trying to think of some way to sort of delay these wives, because they are in every community, every state.
You get 20 of these wives, they get pressed everywhere, cut out.
But what is wrong with the way it's on the other side, working in a pretty sensitive way now, McCloskey, kind of this Mexican, what's her name, the Mexican name, who's always been against us, that McCloskey's moved in and started exploiting, and it's about that Paris conversation.
So I don't know if there are other ways that the McCloskey family can't be quite on the horizon of this connection.
He was downright rude to her.
In fact, she's willing to go to work for the Republican National Committee as a volunteer.
He berated her for about an hour about the next policies.
McCloskey said he'd call her up the next day and his dad called and apologized.
We have people willing to help us.
If you could just mobilize them.
The basic organization group is mobilized and staying with us.
The problem is the slender track.
Getting them out easy.
I know you're working on it, but I mean, it's got to be in terms of organized activity where they keep feeding something to them every week and all that sort of thing.
You know, we've got to feed these.
We're doing it.
I know how funny it is.
I've been on top of it over months.
Three months ago, I drove a blow-up.
Three months ago, I said, it's the only thing now that we're going to do.
There's some hot headache when we offer to move ours.
We do have offers, and we do have offerings.
But you see, if you want to do that, you see, Bob, they can't really do that.
I don't think they'll go.
You know, that's a significant thing in Korea.
You remember, that's what's belated, Korean troops.
The goddamn Chinese, the red Chinese and North Koreans wouldn't go home.
And that's what belated troops.
And now, at this time, nobody wants to go back to North Vietnam.
That was a horrible place.
That's the truth.
And it isn't us finding out.
It isn't South Vietnam.
The International Red Cross interviewed.
They won't go.
So what the hell do you do?
So your third country's name won't work either, Bob.
They won't go home.
They ain't got to go to a third country.
Because they don't want to be repatriated.
They want to stay right where they are.
They'd rather be a prisoner in South Vietnam than a free man, quote, unquote, in North Vietnam.
That's the tragedy, isn't it?
I wish there were something we could do about that.
I told them, I said, just take a boatload of them, dump them off on the shore.
And they said, well, we can't do that.
That also violates the laws.
That's the problem.
We know that violates the international law.
If you have a boatload, if you take prisoners and take them off and take them to the DMZ in turn, that violates the goddamn law.
They've got to be willing.
No prison can be moved unless it's moved voluntarily.
I think you understand.
That's the problem.
It's a Geneva Convention.
It's a Geneva Convention.
Isn't that the Daniels thing?
We're going to be in the Placid District for a fundraiser for 12 months.
That's right.
And he's going to be there.
Senator Cahill?
Senator Cahill, yeah.
We're going.
I didn't think he should go, but the state chairman thought we should.
The county chairman.
Well, it's time to show up right there.
I mean, yeah, we're going to see.
Well, we're going to see.
I'd always go on from there and take on the mountain job.
But the great thing is we're not just going to have to work in there.
Okay, we're building the peace, the real peace, we're antiquating the real peace, and we're building the real peace by a new initiative for the limitation of arms, by a new initiative for California, and so forth and so on, by a truce in the Middle East.
I'm going to gloss it all over and play it right up to the hill.
But then, I mean, so all the Republicans in that district are going to use the money to get a candidate candidate.
I'm sure they would.
With respect to McCluskey, the liberal community in New York has just turned off on him, the liberal Republicans.
because the Democrats are... Only people in the entire world that are turned on by the goddamn press that keep building them up.
Let's talk about it.
The story of the vote of Mary Allen is that John Riedel started it up across the street.
Riedel's, Riedel's been, of course, the most famous person.
I told it in my apartment that I did it for more than six months.
I had a conversation.
I know the best answer to that is Riedel.
I, of course, would be dignified to do this.
As soon as that is, when did he wait so late to inform the public of this very dramatic promise?
Why didn't he just find it out?
Why did he wait two years?
Why did he wait two years?
What the hell?
You know what I mean?
So he's been thinking about the war for two years.
Why didn't he say it?
Why didn't he have those two years before?
Did he just discover it now?
When did his memory get so good right now?
That's the consequence of God and everything else.
And I think I'd go on to say the President implemented this plan to end the war.
Within six months after he came in, at the verge of withdrawals, it had gone right on.
It's a tough problem.
But I'll tell you, we've got to do it this way.
If we bite out of that place, if we screw it up now after all this suffering and sacrifice, what happens in South Vietnam would be pretty terrible.
We'll take that, but what happens in this country if we have gotten that disaster?
With boomerang here, very strong armed forces in this country would be finished.
I agree with that.
It's a tough period right now.
We're at the period that we may need a break.
I don't know what we can do.
I think on the other side, too, I think this idea of
I mean, what must he do?
You may have gotten it.
One thing we've been... You may already have it.
But the way he has written it, and the way that you have covered it in a minute and a half in the speech, and it's devastating.
So he gets to the set of this, and he goes out on it.
The best state was in the Democratic platform.
That's right.
Or you said you can't withdraw, and you're liable to sound Vietnam.
You have to do it, Commander.
You said in his testimony, Ray Warner,
that platform on which they ran against you.
I think the only, in Indiana, we got a lot of factions, John.
In Oregon, two places, it looked like we might have some party problems with that.
But in Indiana, I had sent, when I got up to the president, I said to tell all the factions to load when they're home.
I guess they know they've got a lot of...
Yes, they do.
You've got Snyder, and Gene, and McConaughey, and John Bush, and...
And I spent two hours with Gene Pulley and kind of sold him.
All right.
Very hard.
He seemed really bitter about what convinced me.
What convinced you?
Well, I don't know.
You know, they used him.
He must have came out of the slay, you know, in Indiana.
Well, God damn it, we tried.
It won't go.
It sure did.
Yeah, unless we could snap him online, we're going to do it.
He's mad at Tom Cuffee because he won't move Bert Spivey's friend in the SBA office.
Well, you have to have some cause.
He's getting fired, man.
He's
We just moved him out.
No, I'm not sure about that.
Yeah, we moved him out.
We got transferred.
We got that.
We did it to our guy in California.
We got the hell away.
I talked to him.
This guy's doing a great job.
That's the cause.
Uh, don't worry about the cops.
He's soon to be in another area.
Get him out of there.
Because he can't do the line.
He has a reason to do that.
He has a reason to do that.
He has a reason to do that.
He has a reason to do that.
He has a reason to do that.
He has a reason to do that.
He has a reason to do that.
He has a reason to do that.
He has a reason to do that.
He has a reason to do that.
The regional direction wants him out.
We've got a lot of merchandise, man.
We've got a regional director in the north, you know, in the northwest.
You said they got you in the west or something?
Oh, I was going to say, I don't know.
Alaska.
Perhaps they need a regional director in Alaska.
I don't know.
That's true.
They'll pick up.
I agree with you.
You can do this one.
I know.
You can be in the Marianas, too.
That's the kind of thing that you're out against.
On the Clean Elections bill, we've gotten that maximum contribution out of there completely.
Today we got interchangeability.
And we can use the money for anything you want, you know, not divide it between... Well, they should have tied it down.
Well, except these are the Democrats that have got that control up there.
And this is a hell of a long step forward from where we started.
Now the question is, really, whether or not when you have an incumbent, the limitation is better for the incumbent than for the candidate.
This is what the Senators and the Congressmen, why they want the limitation.
Because they don't want the opposition running.
Listen, the limitation is an income preservation that always is.
That's right.
It's not about spending with the president.
It's going to make that much difference.
The limitation of spending, the limitation of contributions hurts us.
We cut that out.
The limitation of spending will help the incumbent, but the problem is it will make it a hell of a tough job getting the Republican Congress in the House or Senate.
I'm worried about that.
I don't need the spending when it hurts the president.
I don't know.
That's the point I wanted to make.
And if we get started early and structure it through the primaries, you know, put our house in order and fund stuff, as we said the other day, pay for all of your television makeup and the rest of it in advance, you know, the programming and so forth, I think that this is a plus.
But yet everybody else is up there trying to raise the limits.
Do you have a feeling about it?
You can get a free TV.
That's a big one, doesn't it?
Right.
As far as the limit is concerned, I keep it down to the presidential level.
The presidential level is keeping it as low as they want.
Let's be on the side of the angels.
That's my thing.
Let our guy put in an amendment to make it lower on the presidential line.
I think let us be on the side of the angels.
Goddamn, we've got the whole White House.
We've got a lot of other things.
Yeah, except, see, but they've got the union money.
No, no, no, no, it's the spending.
Yeah, but it doesn't work for the unions.
That's what they did.
You can't cover the unions, can you?
No, the Democrats kicked all of that out.
Sure.
Well, they don't have the union of money to have any more than we have money, but they have the union of manpower and the union of organs.
Now, it's all going to go into the same calculation.
It's all going to go.
That's it.
Mr. President, you didn't have to wait until next year to think about my senior citizens groups, my groups in the committee, my president to show up.
I will do anything this year.
I will do things this year that are not political, but I will not do anything.
This is not political.
We're looking at the senior citizens thing, for instance.
We're looking at that.
I have to go to Chicago for the milk producers in a later time.
They are.
They are.
I thought this is a payoff, basically.
But it's a farm group.
It's a farm.
And they're sort of a non-controversial farm group.
It's not like you went to the farm bureau and not to the other one.
But senior citizens, I think, if we're going to lose in the young area, we're going to have to bring it up in the senior area.
And we've got to work with the young area.
We're not going to lose in that young area.
I'm convinced.
If we can win, we can get the war over.
That's the big thing with that.
The big end.
It's the big end.
What's wrong with the registration thing, though, Bob?
We have a registration number.
The Democrats got one, and they said they got two and a half pounds of money that are registered in this republic for legal.
That's very little.
Some of these run groups are in isolated areas.
They're not registering as young people.
They are.
Labor, that was one of the things they put out, was that they had to have a registered reserve.
And we've got a lot of things we're doing in the committee.
We don't have any money, so we call up the state chairman.
Most of them aren't doing anything.
We're taking a labor movement.
Why don't we start that in our own campaign?
We better get some campaign funds into that.
Well, Bob's got programs over there in the National Committee that are directed toward this.
This is basically what Ray Humphreys and the good men are doing.
Well, the Democrats are doing it, as you say, through the labor organization, through the special groups.
I've been talking to Tom Evans and Mopsing and the rest of them.
They're coming down tomorrow, Monday.
We're going to go over all these programs.
And this, of course, is one that's important.
But this is part of the PROC program, which is pretty well under way.
I think that we ought to be, I mean, with all the volunteers and others, what better can they do than to go out and register some of the young people?
Yeah, I don't know of any error, but we're ahead of the Democrats and some people in the administration.
You won't be.
But at least you've got to hold it down.
And you get this poll conducted at night, and one gets nagged at the college.
Well, that's a college case.
That's what I'm saying.
It's not that bad.
It's too bad now.
What do you find on Agnew?
Don't you find him generally well-regarded in the Republican groups?
What are they honest to tell you?
They tell us very, you know, they ask us, look at where you are.
I don't think he mentioned any more of your speeches on the road.
I mean, would he have mentioned Agnew before?
Hell, nobody ever mentions him.
I should probably tell the president.
The president's programs.
Oh, yes.
Well, they're active.
You don't have to.
And I'd love to.
I could visit him.
We could be doing.
And do you have any influence on him, Bob, and him?
the strategy of avoiding the broad swipe attacks on the press, the media.
And just that change, he's doing it a third of the time.
He's in such a situation now that he can't, no matter...
How much money, he says, if he gets one sentence in, they don't press the other way.
That's the problem.
He's got the name.
The way he has to do it is like something.
You've got to make them write their news.
And the way you do it is not to give them anything else.
So if he wants to get something out on something, the thing you can't mention to the press.
That's how you date them.
Is there a question?
I think you should, you know, you should take a moratorium on it for 60 days.
I think it would be very smart to write a book, and then make the bastards write it.
They'll have to write something by it.
But you have to take the press on it for 60 days.
These two gentlemen are the ones to talk to them.
What are you going to talk to them here?
We don't give a hell.
So the thing to do is to put it sort of in terms of you bothering them with the same thing.
Yeah, but this part, just let's say, let's say it's trying to take the day.
And then when you come back it'll mean more, too.
And it made it clear we wanted to kick the balls off the courts.
That's a contract that would engage the great conspiracy of the president.
But what do you find in that?
What's your general finding?
I didn't ask.
Well, it was interesting when the Republicans, you know, they're all praying.
And what the young kids are going to say, you know,
I don't know why, but that's what he says.
Tackle him.
Keep your tackle on, I guess.
That's the one doodle he attacked him on.
But the man's pregnant.
He's not raising some money.
He's done a good job.
Make sure you want him.
Sure.
The week we talked about the president, the president's program, it's
Why aren't you talking more about Agnew?
What about the dumb Agnew movement?
That's the same thing as the dumb Nixon.
Agnew's not talking about the president's programs.
90% of what the vice president says is dumb.
Good argument, son.
Receive the argument.
All he does, you know, he pens his life into the hands of the enemy.
At this point, you see the little bastards in the press, and don't let him get off his good stuff, because they're not afraid.
All right, but let him write it.
the precious letter, not the idea that he laid a button up on, but forcing him to write the positive things that he said.
He falls into their trap, just as he did in the campaign last year,
Saying, if I only say the things I want, then they don't print anything.
And the answer really is, you're better off that way.
They're going to come back to printing something.
They will.
No cover.
He's afraid he won't get covered.
So he thinks, oh, he gets great coverage.
They stuff in, and then he gets hit the wrong way.
The trouble is, the trouble is that he's got to develop these demeanors first.
Just because I want to see him pick up some of them.
He can't.
But that's the, you know, the oxymoron, you know, who's going to be on the ticket, you know, who's going to be on the ticket.
The president said he's going to run.
Well, you know, people that dump agonies, people might say, who are they?
That's good.
Who are they?
No one knows.
The press.
The press.
That's it.
But they're the same people who want to dump the president.
That's correct.
You've got to handle it that way.
You've got to handle all those.
I mean, and also, you know, the idea of it.
Yeah, I saw that.
The idea is that you get a very short session of press time on hand, and we'll answer the questions at the presidential conference.
That's right.
That was a good moment.
I saw that.
But I think I just kid around about that.
I think that's a good, lightly touched one.
I don't think that's one.
There's just a serious press conference.
That's a little bit of that.
Yeah, that's right.
That's right.
You know, you use this a lot very well.
There's no need to kind of think.
But you and John might have a little talk about this, because I don't want to feel that anybody's trying to... You see, the moment I ever mention anything, John, I never do, is that then...
I, or he, when asked the question, will have to say that the president is gagging.
That was never told, he'd never say anything, or he's saying anything.
You see, on the other hand, you've also talked about it.
And sort of, you see what I mean?
That leaves him in a much better position.
So he said, would you change because the president would be able to be gagging?
To be honest, you might tell him yes.
You shouldn't.
You shouldn't tell him anything.
Before July 22nd, I assume you want to get together on, uh, where you, where you betcha betcha might want to be held.
How does that shake down?
What do you want to hear?
Uh, we're, uh, we haven't been to San Diego.
You want my hand?
I don't know whether it's going to happen or not, but I don't think we ever took the chance.
That's the point.
That's my feeling.
You mean that they tried to make it a 68 thing, make a shambles out of ours?
Except they can just about transport those people to where you're going to have your contention.
J.D., let that happen.
You can't stop it, Bob.
You're right.
Bob, if they come in with a thousand cents, now that you want the war gone, they'll be there.
Even more so because they'll be frustrated.
They'll be terribly frustrated.
They're going to be lashing out and looking terrible.
I really think you're going to have a worse problem with the left.
I agree with Bob here that there's going to be a much smaller contingent.
It's the thing that I've always felt predicted.
What they're trying to do is push him aside.
But what have you got besides?
What have you got besides the Midwest?
We don't have anything besides Chicago.
It's us.
We've been quiet.
We've been in Annapolis.
Can't hold it.
We looked at Kansas City.
Columbus.
Can't Kansas City hold it?
No, no.
St. Louis?
Maybe.
They come close.
Deserty.
They don't want to.
St. Louis, I wonder.
It was Dan's tough security problem.
They had a problem in Chicago.
They had a really good one in St. Louis.
Yeah, you've got to stay here to let it pass.
Well, you know, I'll tell you, there are two places really that are very, very, there are three places that are terribly important to us.
Illinois.
California.
And Miami.
I wonder which one really affects the most.
I think it does affect the most.
Dave, Larry O'Brien as much as told me that they were at the Johnson Library thing, but I didn't know what they were turning this guy in.
No, that's what I hear, and it's going to be in the second week of July.
July 10th?
Yeah.
It can't be until...
One thing we have to bear in mind, Bob, is that you've got an incumbent
It's going to be dominated with that great furor.
And you know, I'm not going to need these elaborate operations and all the rest of it.
And a structured convention is going to be a hell of a lot better than this.
And do it for TV.
As a matter of fact, we should do it today.
So this has to be very carefully approached with these people.
Oh, they have a guarantee to the city?
Well, the hotel room's in there.
Well, that could be an advantage to San Diego.
They would probably be delighted to have it.
Not to have it for two days.
Well, because of their big city.
I kind of have a feeling.
Well, San Diego, you can try.
I think the idea of the radicals and so forth should not be going to show up anyplace.
Yeah, but least likely in Florida.
Florida's the easiest to protect from.
They won't allow them on the beach.
Did you see that muscle man in there this morning?
That's the chief of police of Miami.
He was a great guy.
So they've got a beautiful thing, but they've closed the access.
It's the only place in the... Well, why would they have to turn them off physically?
Take a hard look at San Diego.
That's where we are.
And you've got pretty good security.
And I don't know.
John, do you feel the same feeling about Chicago being out?
I think that's so important to us.
Huh?
Do you have it?
I think we attract a lot of them.
Many of those people would attract a lot of them.
Now we're going to attract them in the sense that they...
I don't know.
The Democrats are going to drive them up the wall.
Because I don't think anyone would have asked your story if they had at least pulled off two days without any skirmish in Chicago.
Well, that's what the president did by opening up this campaign there in 68.
Yeah.
But my concern is that you may have, as Bob and I were talking here, some of these real hardcore that are going to use bombs and lose lives.
And we're going to get those guys.
That's the point.
There isn't any question.
One thing you can say, one thing you can find out is that you have, you say, look, you've talked to me personally.
I have absolute commitment.
He keeps his word.
It's going to be done.
But there are things, there are
Right.
You know, people get something together that's really good and attack those that are...
Some of those that are trying to make an issue out of this, Jesus Christ, is terrible.
Thank you very much, John.
Yes, sir.
Good to be with you for most of the day.
Bob, you ought to be able to work on that registration.
I thought they were doing something on that.
Your wife said it was all.
It's not an obvious thing.
It's not an obvious thing, John.
Nothing at all.
You know, they're missing.
They're missing all that.
What the hell's my reason?
What are they doing their meetings for?
What are they going to do?
Do they all want to work?
Register?
I don't know.
I have a question about that.
You know, there's many agencies.
They can't expect that.
I don't know if they need money.
I don't think they need to be real estate.
That's just a matter of the human population.