Nixon White House Tapes › Tape 512 › Conversation 512-021

Nixon & Butterfield on Homer Ferguson and PFIAB

Friday, June 4, 1971 · 3:10 PM–3:11 PM ET · Oval Office · 48 sec

ParticipantsNixon, Richard M. (President); Butterfield, Alexander P.Conversation512-021 on Tape 512 (tape position 03:49:34–03:50:21)StartFriday, June 4, 1971 at 3:10 PMEndFriday, June 4, 1971 at 3:11 PMRecording deviceOval OfficeSourceNixon Library record for 512-021 ↗

President Nixon and Alexander P. Butterfield met to coordinate the President’s upcoming schedule and administrative appointments. The discussion focused on managing the activities and potential interactions of Judge Homer Ferguson, including his involvement with the President’s Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board (PFIAB). They also touched upon scheduling considerations regarding Nelson A. Rockefeller.

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Mr. President, Judge Romer Ferguson has been trying to treat us quite a bit.
He just says it's... Mr. President, he's very honest.
There's not any reason for this.
The first time I was just before your restaurant, he was eating a co-op.
Well, I tried to rebuke him.
I'm sorry about this.
I'm sorry about this death.
It's quite true.
It's quite true.
He just wouldn't allow it.
He's not upset.
Well, after...
... ... ... ... ...

On June 4, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon and Alexander P. Butterfield met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 3:10 pm and 3:11 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 512-021 of the White House Tapes.

Conversation No. 512-21

Date: June 4, 1971
Time: Unknown between 3:10 pm and 3:11 pm
Location: Oval Office

The President met with Alexander P. Butterfield

     President’s schedule
          -Judge Homer Ferguson
          -President’s Foreign Intelligence Advisory Board [PFIAB]
          -Nelson A. Rockefeller

Butterfield left at an unknown time before 3:11 pm
  • 255-005 2:54 PM · 2 min — President Richard M. Nixon and unknown person(s) met in the President's office in the Old Executive Office Building at an unknown time between 2:54 pm and 3:10 pm.
  • 004-033 3:10 PM · 7 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and the White House operator talked on the telephone at an unknown time between 3:10 pm and 3:11 pm.
  • 512-020 3:10 PM · 38 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and unknown person(s) met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 3:10 pm and 3:11 pm.
  • 512-022 3:10 PM · 8 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and unknown person(s) met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 3:10 pm and 3:11 pm.
  • 512-023 3:10 PM · 4 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and the White House operator met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 3:10 pm and 3:11 pm.
  • 004-034 3:11 PM · 49 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and Ronald L. Ziegler talked on the telephone from 3:11 pm to 3:12 pm.
  • 512-024 3:11 PM · 56 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and Ronald L. Ziegler met in the Oval Office of the White House from 3:11 pm to 3:12 pm.
  • 512-025 3:14 PM · 20 min — President Richard M. Nixon, Stephen B. Bull, Nelson A. Rockefeller, Henry A. Kissinger, Dwight L. Chapin, and Ronald L. Ziegler met in the Oval Office of the White House from 3:14 pm to 3:35 pm.

Conversation 512-021, June 4, 1971. White House Tapes, Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, National Archives. Audio and AI transcript via Easy Nixon, https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/512-021 (accessed October 12, 2026).