Conversation No. 516-10

Date: June 10, 1971
Time: 3:08 pm - 4:24 pm
Location: Oval Office

The President met with John D. Ehrlichman, Egil (“Bud”) Krogh, Jr., Jeffrey Donfeld, Arnold R.
Weber, and Dr. Jerome H. Jaffe

     Greetings

     Veterans program [Vietnam returnees]
          -Time phases
          -Jaffe’s work with Pentagon
          -Overall drug program
                -Need for national emphasis
          -Upcoming returnees
                -Drug problems
                     -Treatment
                           -Identification
                           -Detoxification
                           -Referral
                                -Veterans’ Administration [VA] facilities
                                -Civilian facilities
                           -Short run problems
                           -Location

Manolo Sanchez entered at unknown time after 3:08 pm

     Refreshments

Sanchez left at unknown time before 4:24 pm

     Veterans program [Vietnam returnees]
          -Book sent to Jaffe from President
                -Content
                -Dr. W. Kenneth Riland
                -Nelson A. Rockefeller
                -Prentiss/Hall role
                -Focus on servicemen and drugs
                     -Magnitude of problem
                     -Department of Health, Education, and Welfare [HEW] role
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           -Priorities
-Drug program
     -Urgency
           -Civilian facilities
                 -Overloading
     -Desire of soldiers for treatment
     -Physical state of servicemen returning
           -Degree affected by drug use
     -Most immediate returnees
     -Need for information on nature of drug problem
           -Extent of drug usage in Europe
           -Programs and technology for drug identification
           -Statistical programs
     -Coverage
           -Spread of drugs
                 -Universities
                 -University of California at Berkeley
                 -Harvard University
     -Tenacity of drug problem
     -Drug availability in Vietnam versus Harvard and Ivy League
     -Employment opportunities
           -Vietnam veteran versus non-veteran
                 -Chances of drug problem
     -Jaffe role
     -Evidence of drug relapse
           -Use of drugs
                 -Context of use
                 -African-American usage
           -Optimistic outlook
                 -Data
     -Detoxification
           -Short-term versus long-term programs
           -Problems with discharging soldiers
                 -Discipline
                 -Psychology of war
                        -Reality of casualties
                              -Ehrlichman
           -Need for longer term treatment
                 -Ehrlichman and Krogh
                 -Details
                 -Reward for non user
           -Cost of habit support
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                -New York versus Vietnam
                -Problems
                      -Crime
          -Facilities
                -Military
                -Civilian
          -Use of ship transport
                -Benefits                             Conv. No. 516-10 (cont.)
          -Use of anchored transports
                -Benefits
          -Diagnosis
          -Incentive to improve
          -Treatment
    -Treatment of soldiers still on duty in Vietnam
          -Use of drugs to get home
          -Location of aid
                -Use toward service time
    -Treatment of rehabilitated soldiers
          -Honorable discharge
    -Education ideas
          -Appraisal of dangers
          -Inducement of withdrawal symptoms
          -Chances of death of heroin user
                -Statistics
    -Reduction of drug use
          -Diagnosis of problem
                -Deterrent effect
                -Types of tests
          -Transfer of user
                -Civilian and military linkage
    -Military/civilian drug program
-Cooperation
-New agency
    -Authority
    -Facilities
          -New
          -Old
    -VA
          -Treatment centers
                -Capacity
          -Office of Management and Budget [OMB] view
    -Over-capacity
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      -Over-cost
-VA
     -Eventual cutback
     -Veterans benefits
           -Legislative remedy
-Overall program
     -International cooperation
     -Criminal action                                    Conv. No. 516-10 (cont.)
           -Penalties to pushers
           -Penalties to policemen cooperating
                 -Local legislation
           -Public reaction
           -Good cops versus bad cops
           -User versus seller
     -Penalties to police cooperating with sellers
           -Law Enforcement Assistance Administration [LEAA]
           -Washington, DC law
           -Jerry V. Wilson’s role
           -Washington, DC law as model
-Treatment of addicts as supply drops
-Treatment options
     -Methadone
     -Psychotherapy
     -Use of reformed addicts
-Methadone use
-Knowledge in medical community
-Chicago facilities
     -Mayor Richard J. Daley role
     -State responsibility
-Treatment options
     -Synanon
     -Daytop Village [?]
     -Synanon
           -Affected group
           -Problems
     -Methadone
-Methadone use
     -Intermediate use
           -Addict view
     -Success rate
-Use of drugs
     -Men versus women
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      -Difficulty of treating women
-Methadone use
      -Methods of administering methadone
            -Benefits
            -Problems
      -Substitute drug
            -University of Chicago
            -Short effect span                          Conv. No. 516-10 (cont.)
            -Benefits
      -Reselling of methadone
      -Deaths from methadone
-Goals of program
      -Synanon, Phoenix House, Daytop Village, Odyssey House
      -Drug-free goal
      -Drawbacks of other methods
      -Rehabilitation
-Arrest rates of patients under treatment
      -Implications
      -Methadone use
      -Availability of methadone
            -Legal ramifications
-Civilian involvement in programs
-Multi-faceted attack on drugs
      -Research
      -Counseling
      -Law enforcement
-International cooperation
      -Monday conference
            -Follow up
            -Turkey
            -France
            -Vietnam
            -Mexico
            -Thailand
            -Laos
-New medicine
      -Characteristics
      -Use
      -Research needs
-Research programs
      -National Institute of Mental Health [NIMH] role
            -Need for direction
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               -Money problems
               -Personnel
                     -Skill
                     -Location
               -Budgeting
               -Bureaucratic problems
                     -President’s view
                     -NIMH                                    Conv. No. 516-10 (cont.)
                     -HEW
                            -Elliot L. Richardson
                     -Department of Justice [DOJ]
                     -HEW
         -Legislative needs
               -Jaffe role
               -Problems with legislative pursuits
                     -Bureaucracy handling
                     -HEW
         -Bureaucratic needs
               -Drug abuse leadership
                     -John E. (“Jack”) Ingersoll
               -Acquiring of new personnel
               -Earlier efforts
         -Bureaucratic achievement
               -Centralize control
         -Influx of drugs
               -Laos
         -Attack on poppies
               -Pest development

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                      -Dr. Norman E. Borlaug
                      -Dr. Edwin H. Land
                      -Research schools
                            -Cornell University
                            -University of California at Davis
                      -Crop destruction
                            -Mediterranean fruit fly
                                                                     Conv. No. 516-10 (cont.)
[The President talked with the White House operator at an unknown time between 3:08 pm and
4:17 pm]

[Conversation No. 516-10A]

[See Conversation No. 5-3]

[End of telephone conversation]

     Attack on poppies
          -Benefits
          -Utility of past expenditures

[The President talked with Clifford M. Hardin between 4:17 pm and 4:22 pm]

[Conversation No. 516-10B]

[See Conversation No. 5-4]

[End of telephone conversation]

     Screw worm
          -US Department of Agriculture [USDA]
          -Texas problems
               -Use of sterilized male screw worms

     Drug program
          -Riland role
          -Pill factory use

Jaffe, Donfeld, Weber, Krogh, and Ehrlichman left at 4:24 pm
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