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Conversation: 517-008

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Start Date: 11-Jun-1971 11:58 AM

End Date: 11-Jun-1971 12:20 PM

Participants:

Nixon, Richard M. (President)Devine, Samuel L.Timmons, William E.

Recording Device: Oval Office

Full Tape Conversation Start Time: 02:13:54

Full Tape Conversation End Time: 02:36:36

517a.mp3

517b.mp3

517c.mp3

NARA Description:

On June 11, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon, Samuel L. Devine, and William E. Timmons met in the Oval Office of the White House from 11:58 am to 12:20 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 517-008 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid:

Conversation No. 517-8

Date: June 11, 1971
Time: 11:58 am - 12:20 pm
Location: Oval Office

The President met with Samuel L. Devine and William E. Timmons

     Greetings

     Support for President
         -Devine role
                -Press coverage

     International negotiations
           -Arms control with Soviets
                -Public perception
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                 NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                            Tape Subject Log
                              (rev. 10/08)



       -US and Union of Soviet Socialist Republics [USSR] interests
       -Give and take
            -Anti-Ballistic Missile [ABM]
       -Soviet interests
            -People’s Republic of China [PRC]
            -Eastern Europe
            -Berlin
            -Economics
            -Arms control
       -Congressional support
       -US negotiating position
-PRC
      -Objectives
      -Soviet and Chinese competition
            -Leadership role
            -Basis of US movement
      -Taiwan concerns
      -Interplay of objectives
            -Soviet interest in Europe
-Southeast Asia
      -Chinese and Soviet aid to North Vietnam
            -Effect on negotiations to end war
-Vietnam
      -Prospects of success in talks
      -Evolution
      -Cambodia and Laos action
            -Effect on North Vietnamese
-Breadth of discussions
      -Prisoners of War [POWs]
-President’s previous meeting with John Sherman Cooper
      -Responsibility of Congress in talks
-Democratic fears
      -Edward M. (“Ted”) Kennedy statement
      -Relation of casualties to Laos operation
      -Clark M. Clifford
      -End of war
            -Credit
      -Cambodia resolutions
            -Cooper-Church amendment
-Message to Supporters of President
      -President’s view of PRC, Soviet Union, and US interests
            -Devine’s constituency
                                       23

                    NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                               Tape Subject Log
                                 (rev. 10/08)



               -PRC Grain Deal
                      -Gerald R. Ford
                      -American unions
          -Behind-the-scenes negotiations
          -Democratic Fears
          -Comparison of President with other administrations
          -Future of the world
               -John F. Kennedy and Lyndon B. Johnson           Conv. No. 517-8 (cont.)
               -Dwight D. Eisenhower

Domestic affairs
    -Congressional-Executive relations
          -Public works bill
                 -Veto prospects
                       -Devine/Ford
                       -Input
                 -House Resolution [HR] 1
                       -Prospects
                             -Family assistance
          -Carl T. Curtis bill
                 -Republican response
                 -Relation to welfare reform
                 -Content
                       -Revenue sharing
                       -Guaranteed annual income
                       -Workmen’s incentives
                 -Effect on Black vote
                 -Phil Burke [?]
                 -Senate prospects
                 -Timmons and John D. Ehrlichman meeting
                       -Purpose
                       -Ehrlichman’s role
                 -Relation to HR 1
                 -Effect on Wilbur D. Mills’ prestige
                 -Fairness
                       -Ways and Means Committee
                       -Tie to Social Security
          -Black Caucus
                 -Previous meeting with President
                       -Content
                       -Demands
                             -Cost
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                          NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                      Tape Subject Log
                                        (rev. 10/08)



                     -Concern for the rest of the country
                     -Cost of demands
                           -Potential tax increase
                -Devine trip to Korea
                     -Vice President Spiro T. Agnew
                -Devine trip to Israel
                -Devine committee assignment
                -Jewish vote                                   Conv. No. 517-8 (cont.)
                     -Support for Devine
                     -Financial aid
                -Black Caucus
                     -Meeting with the President
                -Black vote
                     -Support for President
                           -John N. Mitchell
                -Future meetings
                -Upcoming international events

Devine and Timmons left at 12:20 pm