On June 14, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon, H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman, Alexander P. Butterfield, Ronald L. Ziegler, and Rose Mary Woods met in the Oval Office of the White House from 8:49 am to 10:04 am. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 519-001 of the White House Tapes.
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Everybody's basking in the flow of the aftermath.
And it was a real dude.
The whole black guy.
All I can say for the point, you know, he said, the compresses.
You know, the difficulty with compresses is they really can't knock away.
People just don't like it.
Well, that's right.
It didn't watch.
And it looks like too many people saw it on TV and saw the, you know, the atmosphere, the feel that came through it.
It was so upbeat and so positive.
So I know all the descriptions have.
I think you're right.
I think...
I think the reason is that they are always sucking up to their audiences.
That's why they suck up to the cabin and they suck up to those long hairs.
They thought this audience wasn't ready to listen to a very important thing, right?
They were reluctant.
Oh, sure.
Sure, right.
They were reluctant.
But I said that it was Patrick's general poor taste.
He pointed in his face.
It was a motley crowd.
He would have loved to have it, but he couldn't.
He was afraid.
So he was smart enough to play it the other way.
He went all out the other way and made some money for himself out of it.
Those are critical in your labor, Steve.
All right.
This is one where you've got to reach out and be bothered.
You can do it.
Everybody be with it, and then he can turn back the other way.
Now, there's a lot of good wedding wrap-up that you're really familiar with, Kyle.
And...
The president did this, the president did that, he just couldn't admit more.
For the present, there's a piece on him in the New York Times Magazine, which he was obviously aware of, that goes the other way, where he takes all full credit for the anonymization and all that kind of stuff.
And he probably had worked on the part on TV, and he probably got help, reacted to that by going the other way on TV.
Well, he's learned, I'm sure, the same painful thing that I can imagine is that his position that's the only way he gets printed.
It's kind of a last shot.
If he's just unresponsible, he gets ignored.
What?
Those guys running around mumbling incredible disarray all the time.
It's kind of... Well...
I wonder how much they're meaning by it.
I wonder, too.
Wait a minute.
What?
All the fish is down in there.
I think there is one thing on this farm.
Check it out.
It's hard.
I guess it's only for the waiters.
Yeah.
Give me another draft.
Yeah.
Or on the general farm.
Both.
I think waiters on both of them.
But whatever it is.
I think it's a question for us to show concern about those things.
I think they're justification in the sense that I don't think Harding is debauching enough, you know what I mean?
We're doing a hell of a lot.
So we should look.
I think we need more.
We can get more working with them on this, too.
Yeah, maybe so.
Mr. Chairman, it's on the 31st.
Well, that's one.
That was a law committee.
That was a committee.
It's not the Council.
Committee of the Nation.
I know.
The committee will produce all kinds of stuff.
The Council lives these offices.
Yeah.
I'm kind of glad to see that we're shooting at our housing policy.
I don't let your liberals get worried about that, and they are today.
You understand?
I didn't hurt you.
We want it that way.
We want it so it's better.
That's one part.
But we don't want the, uh, out of place to be charged.
Why don't we be charged on that, Bobby?
I disagree.
We've seen it come out pretty well.
Oh, I think it came out extremely well.
Well, I was very special to what you thought about the...
I was...
I think that story at the Times, she calls everybody here,
And then, yeah, that shouldn't be so much a problem.
Yeah, well, it's been happening so far.
That's the most, that's the most unbelievable thing, you know, that's, that's treatable.
Due to the fact that it's A to the M, there's an M, and it's a really classified document.
It's got to be married.
How am I going to do anything in this case?
A few little pump concealers, a slipping little stuff for one guy, 10 years old, huh?
But turning, turning stuff over, and...
This turns over the enemy and puts the whole damn thing right out there in the paper.
Hold on.
I am concerned about Henry's dad, and still, you know, I don't have a compliment here, because I asked him, and I said, I don't care if it's just, you know, if it is, you know, if it's got anything to do with guilt, over, or, yeah, I mean, uh,
G-O-G-O, got it over at Brookings.
Over at Brookings.
He says, we had all these files.
This is the thing.
Why didn't we go get them?
Well, remember I talked to you about that a year ago.
Tom Houston was all alarmed.
He was in here and said, they have all this file and everything.
They've got it over at Brookings.
They've moved it out of the Defense Department.
Copies out of the Defense Pentagon.
Took the whole file over there.
And he argued.
And we had...
We had some discussions about it.
He argued that what we should do is send some people in on a routine.
They have a secure safe over there to hold this stuff in.
Move some people in on a routine security check, find this stuff in it, and confiscate it and walk out.
And I thought, why do we do it?
I don't know.
But here, this sure shows.
I'm not sure, as a matter of fact, that this is precisely the same material.
There is other material there, too.
There's a lot of copies of this one.
There's some other stuff, but there are only three copies of it, one of which is over at Brookings, according to Houston.
Houston is an alarmist, but Dick Allen was an alarmist when he said we ought to cut out Sonny Eaton's investigation.
I didn't think this in full.
We've been hurt about this, but... We have.
I haven't even been wrong.
There's another of us involved, and this is Halpern, I think.
That's right.
Halpern and Sam Gell have been working together.
How might you be Halpern at all?
I'm not sure.
I'm not sure.
Imagine you're talking to all the people what you're doing.
Or your staff and you.
All right.
You know, therefore, I'm sure he wouldn't leak it.
He wouldn't use that information.
Well, bullshit.
You know, if you'd end up with something like a bomb, he thought the bomb was honorable.
Remember?
Remember, he took it.
He said he was very bright.
He thought he was the brightest guy we've got.
He can't make me fire and try to do as much as he did.
That's right.
And he was honorable.
He was honorable.
And he was the only one.
Remember, Edgar Hoover was right.
He was the only one.
He's checked back now that the team has been on leave or has been submerged for three months.
If I were a publisher of a big, dense, great newspaper, I would print this stuff.
Well, I have top secret information.
I don't understand why we don't.
I understand.
I mean, hey, the customer, we've got to not react and all.
I'm not too sure of that.
But what's the use of the classification system?
Why the hell do we classify anything if a newspaper feels some confunctions about printing it?
I just want to react.
Let me say that we'll get the war thing when we get it done.
Then I think the thing to do is to see if there's a, just look down and find out what the statute of limitations are.
I mean, there's, I think there's money long on this sort of thing.
I think we can do much better.
But if the statute of limitations aren't here, and we've got it here, I know it's, I know it wouldn't be any shorter than that.
I mean, we just go ahead and put the, subpoena all these bastards and bring the case and just give it a panel.
We don't have one friend, Brookings Bob.
Now, would you please remind George Schultz
Charlie Schultz is the guy that produced it.
You understand?
So do you still want Charlie Schultz around?
They play the game that way, Bob.
They are a bunch of bastards.
They'll lie, cheat, anything, and then screw what somebody else does.
See, basically, that's what gets back in the hole, his syndrome.
The intellectual, the intellectual all of a sudden is because, basically, they have no morals.
But this thing, too, is clearly, it seems to me, it hurts us in that it puts the war back up into a higher attention level.
But the facts in it hurt the others.
Don't hurt us politically so much.
They hurt the others.
But what they really hurt, and this is what the intellectuals and why the motivation of the times must be, is it hurts the government.
What it says is, Rumsfeld was making this point this morning, what it says is that the ordinary guy, all this is a bunch of gobbledygook,
But out of the gobbledygook comes a very clear thing, which is you can't trust the government, you can't believe what they say, and you can't rely on their judgment.
And the implicit infallibility of presidents, which has been an accepted thing in America, is badly hurt by this, because it shows that people do things the president wants to do, even though it's wrong, and the president can be wrong.
And I want it to come to ground, I suppose, all the way home, so that Roosevelt's involved in a conference in the world where Twitter came up.
I don't know how he knew what was happening.
He did it deliberately.
And the Pearl Harbor thing was undone.
You had that one article by that Admiral, what's his name, that U.S. News carried that told that whole story.
But it was never official.
And it could be discredited because it was just one guy's testimony.
This stuff is out of official files.
You can't discredit this stuff.
Well, as long as you have these stories out, there's nothing you can do about it.
I guess so.
My feeling is that we shouldn't, that at least Haig's urging was that we shouldn't do anything about it.
Why?
Until we know what, see what we've got, and that by doing anything we would only escalate it more.
I think you're right.
It would be interesting to see now how the other papers and the TV and all pick this up, but I can't imagine anyone else able to do it.
I would think they'd be doing white papers on it and everybody would lean into having crisis.
Just grist for the mill that won't quit.
The other interesting thing would be to see what the Times decides to print and what they don't.
They picked an interesting time and chronologically they didn't start at the beginning.
They chronologically started at Tompkins and it's interesting to contemplate why.
We need to stop this all later.
I mean, it can't be done.
It won't do anything.
I'd rather see him done than be covered with regard to our own relations with the comments.
I just feel that very strongly.
I just feel that when we've got a paper that will be this irresponsible.
God damn it.
Don't give him anything.
And we talk about that damage to Frank all the time.
He's bad.
You know?
Don't give them anything.
I don't want anything that obvious to them.
I just want to cool with those damn people because of their disloyalty to the country.
Kendra, Kendra, it's really hard to understand legal money without lawyers.
Trying to do that.
I mean, look, you could imagine that.
You could justify, say, an old lawyer trying to go after Johnson for lying before 64 is what he was going to do.
See, there's politically, this is a, you know, it makes Johnson look terrible.
Johnson and Rostow end up pretty bad, total disaster.
Yeah.
But on the other hand, you could look at the person and say, this is what they're doing.
This is a bunch of goddamned
Because of that, there's going to be, I'm sure, a wash that runs through here that will say that we put it out in an attempt to .
The apparent damage here is not to us, it's to the Democrats.
But the real damage is
Well, I'll tell you what to do.
I don't agree with these little boys around here.
I mean, your staff doesn't know anything about things like this, Bob.
You know what I mean?
They have the intentions, but not good judgment because they haven't been true enough.
Tell you what I want.
Get this story out and we all graduate and get accomplished.
I want that.
That's the way to kill you.
Actually, I don't know what to do.
Just say, I mean, get used to it.
Get all the backs together.
Get Buchanan to get this started.
Get Lasky right.
Fair enough.
Or anybody else should get it right.
That'll be all right.
Most of us, but, you know, anybody that's making it, get that story out now.
That's what, and charge Brookings.
Let's get Brookings involved in this.
Get Brookings involved.
Another way to do it rather than having to do that is you have a senator, right, just impeach the senator for it.
He's privileged.
And, uh, and charge the whole time, see?
That might be better.
Than to have a call.
Yes, Senator, if it gets to you, uh...
Anybody is all right to do it, except Goal Water Department.
Goal Water Department.
Yeah.
Goal, uh, we looked at you.
I want Goal.
Uh, Goal shouldn't be used by anybody else.
But that's not a little fun.
A congressman's all right in this one.
He doesn't have to be a senator.
That's what a lot of them do is make themselves famous.
It has to be done.
Unless the smoke burglars out.
Smoke them out.
And the way to do it is through a speech, probably better than an argument at home.
See, they can talk informers through.
They can't be sued.
Charlie Gill used his name.
Had the information.
He's agent.
You should be part of this.
And you got Houston to see you around.
All right, put in the work on it.
You're not gonna let that happen.
Now, on the other hand, when you talk to, uh, to Hayden,
About, yeah, the staff situation was there.
Hey, Scott, you remember, you've got to watch.
We've got all of our papers and things.
Well, we have, they've got reruns of the wedding on TV here.
Can that be done?
It can't be.
See, that's where they can start when they're talking about it.
I don't know.
I'll find out.
Yeah.
Probably not.
Probably not.
This must be a
Well, they're up there this week.
If not, we'll have them.
We can have them down in the wild when they come back.
It would be good.
That would be fun.
It would be a nice day for them to have.
We've got a Navy to hold in ourselves.
We'll have a great day.
The NBC, of course, has a film put together on the way.
But it would be fun for them to see the news coverage.
That's what I was talking about.
Let me see if we can do it.
Oh my God.
I got to feel it.
I agree.
This is tough.
They made me do an awful lot of hiring and all that stuff.
Two.
We've got to remember to make plans.
It's a tough political task to take on.
Awful time.
I'm going to ask you, because we've got to decide a little bit on what I'm starting this morning, whether you want to
cooperated on this ABC documentary on drugs.
No.
Well, let me make the argument for them, because it's a hell of an opportunity, I think, to get an hour show on the mix of drugs.
Well, it costs me a cooperative right to give it to you.
Well, I will not give it to you.
No, no, what I mean to say is nothing like that.
What they're asking, they don't want you to do anything.
What they want is permission to film and record
behind the scenes meeting starting with the ambassadors meeting this morning and to let them into things like the bipartisan leaders meeting and that sort of thing that documented staff meetings all focused on you all focused on the presidential drug initiative it'll be a program that will be an hour special that they run in september which will be after we'll get all this stuff going indeed to gennada we would have
controlled in the sense that we can delete anything we don't want used.
They intrude on the meeting.
You have a camera and a microphone in a meeting.
There's no lights.
It's a handheld 16 millimeter.
It's the technique.
It's an odious comparison.
The technique is the same as they used in the Kennedy documentary on the
Wallace's school decision thing.
They did an hour special there that was the same kind of thing.
Showed the meetings in the Attorney General's office in the White House.
And, you know, it's the handheld camera and all that.
It's very sort of dramatic because it is behind the scenes stuff.
We don't have, we can't tell them what they have to put in, but we can keep out what we want out.
The guy who's doing it is...
I know he's a superb producer.
Scali assures me that he is a very honest guy who is very friendly to us and very receptive to any ideas and suggestions.
That he will work closely with Scali.
All right.
But, uh, Scali, I don't, it will, I know it bugs you to have a guy recording a meeting that's, uh, and, you know, obviously, that's, that's not in others, but these are not.
Of course, it's a thing.
There are plenty of meetings that it seems to me will do us good to get some of this stuff on the air.
I don't think much of it.
I guess it's necessary.
Well, what's he want to do?
Bring him and have a little gab?
Yeah, but it doesn't need to be as long as you did.
Why don't we just take their hands off?
and say, we're glad to have you, get the hell out of there.
Because I don't think that, you know, I'm going to stand here and chat for us so that we can do that.
I don't, I just, I mean, I don't think, no, I don't think, I didn't really do it.
I don't, I don't think they're going to come and work for the government.
Somebody else is going to charge them up.
Yeah, it's amazing that they have a field that knows the president when they're out doing it.
I know, but I don't think they have one.
I'll tell you what, for a situation, I don't think it's a,
I don't think it's worth my time, to be frank with you.
I don't think it's worth my time, considering all the other people that I might charge under the control of the president.
I'll try it on just a handshake, and then you kind of just stand here informally and chaplain them for a minute, and then give them some cuddlings, and let them go.
I tell them that's really all I can do, and you just say that matters.
and appreciate their work and so forth and so on and stand and get the hell out.
Because, you know, it's just like any number of other things.
It'd be nice to... You know what it's really like?
It's like my main focus is just to protect attorneys.
I'd be great if I had time, but it isn't there.
Maybe it's a little bigger, I don't know.
It is a little bigger, but it's...
It's not the same.
That's right.
You're trying to charge other people, and I'm all for it.
That's the best use of time.
Just two that we could start cutting down just a little bit on the business organization.
Here's the National Association of Real Estate Board.
Why in the hell they're cutting it, I don't know.
We just did the home notice.
Now, do you remember what we talked about then?
Oh, I'm sorry.
So we're just wanting to prove that what it is.
Remember, don't get overloaded, though, Bob, because Colston is so, not Colston, planning, those are so, I guess, as I call it, through it.
Business is not particularly...
popular anyway not popular and we are strong in the business in spite of our so yes
Maybe it's something that we...
We have the island that are less supposed to come back here.
Not going to be a long enough weekend for Florida, and we will be going to California not long afterwards, a week later.
Actually, a week later.
Maybe I would like to do this.
I don't think those need to be as long as they have.
Let me tell you why.
I sat through those.
And their attention span, not theirs, not mine, but theirs, by God, is ended in about two and a half hours.
And you know what I mean?
It really is.
You start gassing around as they want to all day long.
You come back and you gas all day long.
And I'm just not sure that it means that much.
And I don't know.
I heard they have a couple of snappy two-hour meetings.
the idea that they end around 12, 12.30, something like that, then you break, and that's it for the day.
They are concerned, see, they have to have their first budget cut, the economy and budget meetings before that period, and we had, and then we put those down for the 30th and the 1st.
They think that's a little late, and if you went to Camp David, if we could do, start that on the 27th and 28th, Sunday and Monday,
They need a couple sessions with you, maybe do one Sunday afternoon and one Monday morning.
Let's do them all Monday.
Let's take a solid day.
They don't think, they think it's too much to put into one day.
We can do it.
Let's call it an afternoon.
If they can't do that in one day, then God damn it, I don't want to see it.
I mean, of course they should do it in one day.
Or maybe they can't, Bob.
Maybe they can't.
I don't want to try, but...
They go on and on and on.
Why don't we give them Monday at Camp David?
And then if there is more stuff, they can do a little bit on Tuesday the 29th.
That's good.
Let's give you Saturday and Sunday off up there.
I should take off a couple days.
I think it's just as well.
I'll just do Monday here at Camp David.
I'll come down here and go to each of your areas.
I'd rather just come down and they'd come up and do it there where you don't get interrupted.
We're going to make the announcement in Rochester today, or when.
They may have already made it because it was leaking up there.
And they're just going to announce the lighted island.
And that's the lighted island.
We can imagine that's pretty quick because we're going to have to migrate.
No, but we want to have some time to get a group out to the airport.
Yeah.
Okay.
Thank you.
Uh, where's, where's the lead on that, uh, in the room today by any chance?
Well, I, uh, she will be up there for sure.
She'll be up here now.
How'd she move in?
No, she's not.
No, she's back.
Great.
Kept her out last night.
She didn't call me back.
I'll let you know as soon as I can check in.
Right.
All right.
Well, I don't know how I was going to get any more than that.
They wouldn't start getting drunk.
Well, one next night, I don't know how I was supposed to do it.
They think they have to have a day and a half preliminary session.
In other words, they need one four-hour session, one two-hour session.
Then they need a couple days down the road in California to go over the domestic, you know, the specifics, programs, goals.
Well, that's what we're talking about in California.
The key thing, but the reason for the early thing is that the first teams, the ones they want to do before the 30th are related to veto counts.
And they feel like they have to be done.
They won't be ready for them until the 24th.
They think the 30th is too late.
That's what our boys have been doing on Monday the 28th.
What are we gonna do?
Let's see, we go up into Chicago.
Throw a three.
Friday afternoon.
Time for the day to sleep.
Good morning there, don't you?
And then have the afternoon off.
Do it in here.
Or as soon as they can come up, you can have a session Saturday morning.
And then have them do the rest of it Monday.
And then go back.
Yeah.
Or they can stay the whole month.
Well, either one, yeah.
Do it the first time.
All right.
Sunday at 11 o'clock.
Sunday at 11, and then on Monday.
Sunday at 11 until 11.
You're out there.
The advantage for them is to hear, you can kind of settle down, and also that you can
The advantage for you is you can stay there, do that, and then cut it.
Takes you a couple hours, then take the rest of the time off.
They love it because it keeps them out of the, you know, stuff coming in and out.
That's right.
That bottom side is fine.
Sunday morning, do that 11 o'clock session.
Sunday, stay over.
Sunday, get their stuff reworked from your meeting then and be ready for the next meeting on Monday.
It's a damn good time to go to Florida because you can get, you can get down there Friday night and not come back until Tuesday when you do, you know, go right to Atlantic City.
And it is the wedding anniversary.
You've had this, it's the ideal time to do that Mined Island thing.
But you've had it mined in there, there's...
I don't know how much, whether there's anything out on it.
That's the other thing I've got to find out.
Well, it is out of your own hands.
You can do it another time, Bob.
Oh, you can do it any time.
You know what I mean?
You can do it in August or September.
You can do it any time.
I just, I've just been thinking that, man, I don't know, I, I don't know, I wouldn't mind that.
I wouldn't do that for you.
You know what I mean?
You can do it in August or September.
You can do it any time.
I just don't know how that fish is going to be.
I guess you could get a certain cast from up there.
It's pretty damn cold.
I'm up there.
That's wonderful.
I'm going to be very good in the gym.
It's a very good thing.
Why don't you talk to them both and find out, and let's see.
I'll be right back.
It's just difficult for us to move around.
Just to be honest with you, it's down to yourself.
I know what I mean.
I've had physical facilities in the place.
Well, this is not, you know, top-class physical facilities.
It's not, in fact, apparently.
But it's, uh, a couple of OVNs.
We've had enough advance notice on this.
They've got it well set as far as our food can be used.
I want to see if we can't switch it up.
All right.
No, I, we are going to work the drop thing on the bottom.
We have total control over the film.
I'm going to make sure you know that.
Sure.
Well, I was going to do it for you instead of I.
Ron's been, I've tried to play him as an adversary.
Scali's so for this that I've told Ron to be against it.
And play it.
Sure.
And be sure we are getting what we want out of it.
Now, with regard to Pat, there isn't anything, I don't want anything to say to her that she's wrong.
I want her to be able to pretend that I don't know what's wrong.
Is there anything else that she has to admit?
It's not a good thing, is it?
I just want to be sure that
The next of July?
Uh-huh.
No, sir, there is nothing that we have on for Max all year.
We have scheduled nothing for you.
Really, we haven't scheduled anything for you.
We've got some ideas, a couple ideas, but any of the things that we even have in mind does not allow our attorney.
I don't know about her office.
Let's get over her office.
Alex, get over her office and see that she's free that month until the 8th of August.
I said, I don't know why, but I'm in the service.
I don't know what I'm on, and I saw it.
I don't know what I'm on today.
I got a little light in the center, and I got this.
I've been thinking, too, about the, or I thought about it with another press conference.
I'm wondering if maybe this has been a pretty good time
It's just the fact that I'm not so sure that I don't think that prime time is
Well, let's not do one.
I think that's right.
I think you can come up, you can hold off a lot, and it's summertime now, and you aren't going to get the ratings that you get anyway.
Well, I was going to agree with you, because whether people want to see it, you know, they're going to see it on the programs and so forth.
A couple weeks ago, the wedding was dominated.
More so on the wedding than probably Santa Claus.
We're going to get quite a bit of TV out of this drug business because we're pushing it.
This week.
Next week you won't get us.
It won't matter.
They'll cover the AMA and they'll cover the retired people.
And they'll cover the retired people.
Yes, it's probably a little closer there.
And we always, we can always go along this line, you know what I mean, if you want to.
On the 24th.
See what I mean?
That I might consider doing an office line on the 24th, all right?
Now, it depends on what the crew is.
Now, if we keep it open, we don't sense one, we don't have to do that.
Yeah, we won't have any issues.
I'll leave you with that.
We're not going to do nothing.
I mean, it's true.
I'm going to hear our point across all that sort of thing.
But they see enough of me.
They see enough.
I think so, too.
And I think there is something.
I get back to the old beginning.
I go back and forth on this.
There is something to say.
Well, we do get good reactions when we go on in a press conference.
You can't talk to the events now, can you?
Nope.
You can't really talk them down, Bob.
Nope.
You can explain them.
Some.
Probably need to.
I don't know.
If you do that, skip that one, then you should do one in California.
I think it's good to do one out there.
Give the excuse for doing it at the better time for them.
We're just talking right through at 8 o'clock western time.
11 o'clock east.
Another question we have.
Textile people, as you know, are disturbed about the negotiations and all, and Roger Bellican wants to see you.
We have a question.
No, we've diverted the question.
The Attorney General, he's seen Mitchell this afternoon and he's accepted that.
But Peterson didn't want to see you for a couple minutes this morning to get some guidance on how to handle that and throw you in on the, where we are now.
Well, I didn't think that Peterson would say that.
This is my opinion.
We're confused as to if they could make a float or they couldn't make a float.
Fairly not.
I don't think he could.
They've come home very disappointed.
Kennedy doesn't know what to do now, whether we be more generous or whether we break off the contract.
And we haven't.
But if they by any chance talk to us, we'll talk to them.
I guess we're going to have to.
Thrill, Tom.
It's a long shot.
Be sure to, huh?
Be sure to, I know they'd start to comment when they were trying to put this together.
Be sure to... Look at how I used to get a, get a little past scheduling people.
Sure enough, nothing has to be done.
Black City, not a damn thing.
I understand it from now on.
We're all there.
The Brenton.
That's mine.
I mean, she got in.
We either got in or required other persons, except the Rogers Committee.
That's what the Brentoners said.
Rogers Committee.
Does she require to go to the old folks?
No.
She doesn't?
She shouldn't.
No.
Let's give a speech and back.
She should not go.
That's right.
She, the block unit, she'll have to deal with it.
When the hell is that?
29.
All right.
I'll tell her that so that she'll know what the schedule is.
And that's that.
So that she'll know that there's nothing on it.
It has to go to August the 8th.
Queen, I didn't admit that.
Yeah.
She could move it.
She's got all the stuff.
It's very difficult.
Three.
Now, there isn't too long.
You can try to get a call on anything before.
You can get a little tired.
100%.
Because not in three to two weeks.
Midway's going to watch it up.
If we do the press conference, that's going to watch it up.
Okay.
And I think we might work something out of there.
Well, I'll get you out of here.
Chicken swing.
Everything's going to be loose.
Well, yeah, there's no problem with drivers as long as you care where you go.
None.
None at all.
That'll be your last shot.
I wouldn't feel the least of it.
I put it this way.
I just don't feel it.
You're real.
You're so good at it.
Well, it's a real realization of not being in a strange place, frankly.
I think that's not bad.
I really don't think there's going to be much relaxation for you because there's so many things to do.
So I think maybe you can pop that over there.
Okay, that's moving on.
Now I'll see you for the next one.
Jack's sitting in the meeting with the ambassador.
I'm sure he has.
We'll take the whole month of July.
There's nothing of hers on?
Because this fact does not know what's on.
We have nothing.
Absolutely nothing requires her.
The last event she must do, she's got to get it in her blood.
I go out and speak to the old folks, but I do that all in Chicago.
At one point, when you're talking with her again, she brings up that you could have, like, when she says all she wants, you know, is it like two weeks or even one week of that?
That's all you're asking for, but you don't even get two days out there, you see.
But you must tell her that that's what you want, too.
It's one week or two weeks, whatever you can get.
Every time you're out there without the doubt.
That's what we need.
And that's what we have to do.
That's great.
The other thing is that about a day is another day, you know, and then we'll be out here again.
Yeah, because they're, they're supposed to be able to go check out a hotel tonight.
They're hot and heavy, but they're, but you see, Jack, and of course Pat didn't know, I mean, I don't know if Jack was going to hang around too.
He's going to hang around here.
He's expecting, they're both expecting to just land right over there and sort of cheer us up.
That's what he really feels like.
As he, she, Pat said he was the last to go and said,
Well, we're available if you want us to come out.
They really feel like it.
I don't know.
Maybe they don't.
What do you think?
Or do you think that's just a game?
I don't know.
They just want to be in.
They just want everybody to be in.
Anyway, Pat played it fine yesterday.
She didn't call.
But on this thing of Helene's, I think I'm starting to know how they're, I mean, when I go to Midway, that's what you should see, Helene.
That's right.
I still think she ought to be Helene at Helene's house.
Helene should be out of that house by the time.
Yeah.
But if you're only going to be out for two or three days or even two days or something, you know, she won't be out.
It takes her longer than that, so unpacked.
But at that point, I think you have to say to Pat that you really understand her feeling of wanting.
She must understand that it's going to be what you want.
But you do not relax around Helene.
And Pat knows that.
She even said that last night.
And I even could have said, well, no, she doesn't.
But I mean, you should say, yes, I do not relax around her.
And I'd like to have a live period out there with her.
Find ways this week to give her a call on this.
And, uh, because basically, you know, she just doesn't have anybody over there to talk to.
Yeah.
Well, you know, I heard it.
I heard it.
I heard it.
I heard it.
I heard it.
I heard it.
I heard it.
I heard it.
And then we're going right back to the ranch and we're going over to the bunkhouse.
Over there, yes.
What are they?
They fold it all the time.
Yeah.
I think the boat is really good.
Did they tell you about not being able to fold?
Well, they said they got the pattern.
That's good.
That's good.
They gave me that pattern.
All right.
I'm going to call it.
All right.