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Start Date: 15-Jun-1971 5:13 PM

End Date: 15-Jun-1971 6:03 PM

Participants:

Nixon, Richard M. (President)Keating, Kenneth B.Kissinger, Henry A.White House photographerSanchez, ManoloButterfield, Alexander P.

Recording Device: Oval Office

Full Tape Conversation Start Time: 02:42:00

Full Tape Conversation End Time: 03:32:43

521a.mp3

521b.mp3

NARA Description:

On June 15, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon, Kenneth B. Keating, Henry A. Kissinger, White House photographer, Manolo Sanchez, and Alexander P. Butterfield met in the Oval Office of the White House from 5:13 pm to 6:03 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 521-013 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid:

Conversation No. 521-13

Date: June 15, 1971
Time: 5:13 pm - 6:03 pm
Location: Oval Office
                                                                    Conv. No. 521-12 (cont.)
The President met with Kenneth Keating and Henry A. Kissinger; White House photographer
was present at the beginning of the meeting.

     Greetings


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     INDIA


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     India-US relations
           -Background of situation
           -Meeting with Foreign Minister

Manolo Sanchez entered at an unknown time after 5:13 pm.

     Refreshments

Sanchez left at an unknown time before 5:41 pm.

     Indian and US relations
          -Status
          -Indira Gandhi election
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                         NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                     Tape Subject Log
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              -Size of victory
                    -Effect on opposition
              -Effect on relations
                    -Stability
                    -Union Carbide and Remington Rand licence approval
                          -Rationale
                                -Employment
                                -Export
              -Keating’s call on Minister of Industrial Development
                    -M.H. Chaudhury


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    INDIA


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                          -Keating’s view
                    -Views of new Minister
                          -Indian resources
                                -Public and private sectors
                          -Foreign investment
              -Keating contact with Mrs. Gandhi
                    -Cordiality
                          -Rationale
                    -Mahalia Jackson concert
         -Keating cables to Department of State
              -Keating assessment of situation
              -Timing of Cables
                    -East Pakistan
              -Keating assessment
                    -Indian and Pakistan stability
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                          NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                   Tape Subject Log
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                   -Aid
                           -Keating’s recommendation
                     -Staff contribution
         -President's meeting with Foreign Minister
               -Possible topics


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                                                          Conv. No. 521-13 (cont.)

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    INDIA-PAKISTAN


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                   -Aid
                         -Keating’s conversations
                         -Etxent
                               -Amount
                               -Increases
                               -C-130 aircraft
                   -Refugee problem
                         -Need to shift them back to Pakistan
                         -Effect on India
                         -Number
                         -Calcutta's Plight
                         -Continued flight into India
                               -Pakistan
                                     -Hindus
                         -Impact on population
                         -Genocide
                               -Extent
                         -Outlawing of Awami League
                               -East Pakistan
                   -Political settlement in East Pakistan
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                       NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                  Tape Subject Log
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                        -Effect of Refugees
                             -Hindus and Muslims
                        -Goals
                             -Peace
                             -Reversal of Refugee Flow


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                                                          Conv. No. 521-13 (cont.)

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    PAKISTAN


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                        -International Monetary Fund [IMF] action
                               -Peter Cardell (?) role
                               -Paris meeting
                   -Possibility of political settlement
                        -Agha Muhommad Yahya Khan
                        -Keating’s view
                               -Yahya’s role
                               -[Unintelligible] role
                        -Awami League role
                        -Keating and Joseph S. Farland (?)
                               -Changes in Pakistan
                        -President's relationship with Yahya
              -Timing
              -Topics
                   -Use of aid to help resolve crisis
                        -Use of aid
                               -Rationale
                        -John B. Connally
                        -Amounts
                        -Pakistan reaction
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                               NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                          Tape Subject Log
                                            (rev. 10/08)




     Invitation of Keating to Willy Brandt dinner
           -Keating schedule
                 -John Sherman Cooper party
           -Timing

Alexander P. Butterfield entered at 5:30 pm.
                                                                    Conv. No. 521-13 (cont.)
           -Place for Keating at dinner
                -Timing

Butterfield left at 5:31 pm.

          -Attire
          -Attendance
                -Government officials
                      -Brandt
                -Businessmen
                      -Eastman Kodak president
                            -Bill Long [?]
                            -Louis Kenneth Eilers
                      -Thomas Gates Jr.
                      -Dow Chemical Chairman [Carl A. Gerstacker]
                      -Companies
                      -Monumental Properties [Joseph Meyerhoff]
                      -National Cash Register [Robert S. Oelman]
                      -National Airlines chairman [Dudley Swim]
                      -Dell E. Webb
                      -Kodak
                            -Eilers
                            -Hierarchy
     Indian-US relations
          -The President’s scheduled meeting with Swaran Singh [Indian Foreign Minister]
          -Kissinger
          -Indian population problems
          -Role of democracy
          -People’s Republic of China [PRC]
          -The President’s policies
          -Indian criticism of US
          -US policy
                -Role of stability
                      -Kashmir
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                           NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                        Tape Subject Log
                                          (rev. 10/08)



                -Collapse of Pakistan
                -US strategy
                      -Support for India
                      -Yahya Khan
                -Congress
                      -Popularity of foreign aid
                      -Feeling for India and Pakistan War
                      -Involvement in Biafra [Nigerian Civil War]     Conv. No. 521-13 (cont.)
                -US strategy
                      -Rationale
           -Forthcoming meeting with Indian foreign minister
                -US policy
                      -Refugees
                -Method of accomplishment
                      -Avoidance of internal involvement
                -Avoidance of armed conflict
                      -Pressure on Indira Gandhi
                            -Indian Congress
                      -Refugee problem
                            -Danger
           -The President’s forthcoming meeting with India foreign minister
                -Refugee Problem

     Presidential gifts

     Political situation
           -Media attacks on President
                  -New York Times
                  -Washington Post
           -Public opinion
                  -War deaths in Asia
                  -War deaths in Europe
                  -Role of press
           -Effect of escalation on President's reelection
           -Quest for more foreign aid
                  -Yahya’s role

Keating left at 5:41 pm.

     India-US relations
           -Kissinger’s schedule
                -[David] Kenneth Rush
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                         NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                    Tape Subject Log
                                      (rev. 10/08)



         -Aid to India and Pakistan
         -Farland
         -Situation in Dacca [East Pakistan]
               -Counsel General's Rebellion
         -Kissinger’s talk with Indian ambassador
               -Lakshmi Kant Jha
               -Contact of President and Ghandi through Indian ambassador
               -US aid                                             Conv. No. 521-13 (cont.)
               -Keating
               -Need for time for US to act
               -President's meeting with foreign minister
                     -Contact with Keating
                     -US position
                           -Sympathy
                           -Delivery of aid
                                -Pakistan
                     -Keating contact with State Department


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    PAKISTAN

    FRANCE


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    Pentagon Papers
         -John N. Mitchell action
               -Suite of New York Times
         -Public right to know
               -Possible Congressional action
               -New York Times responsibilities
         -William P. Rogers point in briefing
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               NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                           Tape Subject Log
                             (rev. 10/08)



      -Ronald L. Ziegler
      -Concern of foreign nations
-Need to fight, New York Times
-Naming of Pentagon Papers
      -Robert S. McNamara and Clark M. Clifford
      -John F. Kennedy and Lyndon B. Johnson papers
      -McNamara
-McNamara reaction to leaks                                 Conv. No. 521-13 (cont.)
      -Need to react
            -Effect of McNamara role as World Bank President
            -Dean G. Acheson comment
-Confusion of issue
      -Public's right to know
      -President's role in fight
-Possible Rogers statement
      -Effect on communications with foreign governments
-Effect on President’s relationship with State and Department of Defense [DOD]
-Legal status of publication
      -Temporary restraining order
            -Effect
                  -New York Times reputation
-Public right to know
      -Franklin D. Roosevelt
      -Pearl Harbor information
            -Declassification
-Procedures to declassify
      -Permission required
            -McGeorge Bundy
            -Johnson
-Effect of selective declassification
      -Contingency planning
      -Kissinger’s circulation of memoranda
            -Leak possibilities
-President's role in controlling classified material
      -Opening up of official papers
            -Possible Presidential library
            -President's Vice President papers
-Press
      -Lord Kennan (?) party
            -Guest list
                  -Press personalities
                        -Violation of security
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                        NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                   Tape Subject Log
                                     (rev. 10/08)



              -British compared with US press
              -New York Times view of publication
              -Focus of New York Times attack
         -New York Times view of publication
              -Presidential responsibility
                     -Johnson
              -Moral compared with immoral war
              -Public right to know                          Conv. No. 521-13 (cont.)
         -Retaliation by President on New York Times
              -Access to White House functions
         -Swedish Prime Minister’s comment
              -Olaf Palme
              -Kissinger’s conversation with Rogers
              -US-Vietnam strategy
                     -Rogers
                     -Recall of ambassador


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    SWEDEN


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         -Conspiracy theory
              -Leaking of papers
                   -Leslie H. Gelb role
                         -Rand Corporation role
                   -Neil Sheehan
              -Coincidence of events
                   -Clark M. Clifford statements
                   -New York Times story
                   -Veterans
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                     NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                 Tape Subject Log
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Vietnam War
     -Congressional resolutions
         -Marlow W. Cook and Ted Stevens
               -Clark McGregor
               -Provisions
                     -Release of Prisoners of War [POWs]
                     -US withdrawal                                 Conv. No. 521-13 (cont.)
                           Kissinger’s assessment

State dinner
      -President's meeting with Brandt
      -Kissinger attendance
            -Rational
                  -Contact with Brandt
                  -Contact with Egon Bahr
                       -Meeting for the Record
                       -Rush, Egon Bahr, Kissinger meeting
                       -Thursday breakfast

International relations
      -US-PRC contacts
      -US-Soviet Union contacts
            -Effect of New York Times story
      -Image of President's domestic strength
      -Cambodia
      -Laos operation (Lam Son)
      -North Vietnam relations
      -Possible summit with Soviet Union
      -Effect of US-Soviet Union and US-PRC contacts
      -President's meeting with Congressmen and Senators
            -President's initiatives
                  -Berlin agreement
                        -Benefits
                  -Strategic Arms Limitation Talks [SALT]
      -US-PRC contacts
            -Effect on Soviet Union
                  -Rationale for Meeting with Antoliy F. Dobrynin
                        -Rogers role
                               -SALT

New York Times story
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                           NIXON PRESIDENTIAL MATERIALS STAFF

                                       Tape Subject Log
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           -Effect on intellectual establishment
                -Cooks-Stevens legislation
                -Calls to President
           -Joseph McCarthy analogy

     Scheduling
          -H.R. (“Bob”) Haldeman
          -Kissinger’s schedule                                 Conv. No. 521-13 (cont.)
          -President's schedule
          -Tempo of events
          -The President schedule
                -Forthcoming trip to Florida
                      -Kissinger


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[Duration: 56s ]


     PRC


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     Message to Rush
         -Personnel

The President and Henry A. Kissinger left at 6:03 pm.