Conversation: 523-002
Prev: 523-001 Next: 523-003Start Date: Wednesday, June 16, 1971 6:58 PM
End Date: Wednesday, June 16, 1971 7:41 PM
Participants:
Nixon, Richard M. (President); Ziegler, Ronald L.; Woods, Rose Mary; Kissinger, Henry A.; Bull, Stephen B.; Singh, Swaran; Jha, Lakshmi Kant; Keating, Kenneth B.; Sisco, Joseph J.; White House photographer; Sanchez, ManoloRecording Device: Oval Office
Full Tape Conversation Start Time: 00:08:38
Full Tape Conversation End Time: 00:50:42
NARA Description:
On June 16, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon, Ronald L. Ziegler, Rose Mary Woods, Henry A. Kissinger, Stephen B. Bull, Swaran Singh, Lakshmi Kant Jha, Kenneth B. Keating, Joseph J. Sisco, White House photographer, and Manolo Sanchez met in the Oval Office of the White House from 2:58 pm to 3:41 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 523-002 of the White House Tapes.
Nixon Library Finding Aid:
Conversation No. 523-2
Date: June 16, 1971
Time: 2:58 pm - 3:41 pm
Location: Oval Office
The President met with Ronald L. Ziegler.
Oliver F. (“Ollie”) Atkins tribute
-Attendance
Ziegler left and Rose Mary Woods entered at 2:59 pm.
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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 1
[Personal Returnable]
[Duration: 30s ]
END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 1 Conv. No. 523-2 (cont.)
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Stephen B. Bull entered at an unknown time after 2:59 pm.
Schedule
-Henry A. Kissinger
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[Personal Returnable]
[Duration: 1m 27s ]
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Kissinger entered at 3:02 pm.
Bull and Woods left at 3:03 pm.
Pentagon Papers
-Kissinger call from Joseph A. Califano, Jr.
-Califano's support for President over Pentagon Papers
-Concern over precedent
-Focus on real issue
-Support for Lyndon B. Johnson's policies
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-John K. Kennedy's policy on Vietnam
-Commitment of troops
-Number of troops
-Use in Rochester speech
Upcoming meeting with Indian Foreign Minister (Swaran Singh)
-Sympathy
-Firmness Conv. No. 523-2 (cont.)
-Report to Indira Gandhi
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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 3
[National Security]
[Duration: 15s ]
INDIA AND PAKISTAN
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-Refugee support for India
-The President’s comments
-Joseph J. Sisco knowledge
-Source of recommendation
-Amount of funds
-Source of money
-Pakistan
-Indonesia
-Turkey
-Repayments
-Credit for aid
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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 4
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[Duration: 17s ]
INDIA AND PAKISTAN Conv. No. 523-2 (cont.)
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-Kenneth B. Keating efforts
-Media attention
Pandering to left wing press
-Willy Brandt toast
-Vietnam reference
-Reference by "other German" to US Vietnam policy
-Brandt
-Comparison with other German leaders
Bull entered at an unknown time after 3:03 pm.
Schedule
-Length of upcoming meeting
-Other appointments
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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 5
[National Security]
[Duration: 5s ]
INDIA/PAKISTAN Conv. No. 523-2 (cont.)
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Bull left at an unknown time before 3:08 pm.
Swaran Singh, Lakshmi Kant Jha, Kenneth B. Keating, and Joseph J. Sisco entered at 3:08 pm
the White House photographer was present at the beginning of the meeting.
Greetings
Quality of Singh's trip
Greeting from Mrs. Gandhi
Gandhi's recent political victory
-Stability of government
-Effects of election on government
-Keating reports
-Opportunities
-Economic programs
US-India relations
-Current situation in India
-Refugee problems
Manolo Sanchez entered at an unknown time after 3:08 pm.
Refreshments
Sanchez left at an unknown time before 3:41 pm.
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US-India relations
-Economic needs of India
-Refugee problems
-Socio-economic tension
-Refugees
-Indian concerns
-Problems
-Possible political settlement Conv. No. 523-2 (cont.)
-Negotiations
-Indian objectives in subcontinent
-Mrs. Gandhi
-Bangladesh (East Pakistan)
-Chances of Independence
-Historical background
-Resolution of conflict
-India's interests
-Position of neutrality
-Indian Ambassador to US
-Skill
-Effect on US
-Role of Keating
-Contact with President
-Keating’s concern
-President's awareness of problem
-Poverty
-Instability
-India's concerns
-Population problems
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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 6
[National Security]
[Duration: 3m 14s ]
INDIA AND PAKISTAN
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-US course of action
-Financial assistance for India
-US problems
-Legal problems
-Other needs
-US commitment
-Supplemental money Conv. No. 523-2 (cont.)
-Long range money
-Return of refugees
-Seriousness of problem
-Keating role
-Indian Ambassador's role
-Need for effective US action
-US involvement in "internal" problems
-Methods of diplomacy
-Reduction of rhetoric
-Financial assistance
-Practical US action
-Appreciation of US support
-Immediacy of problem
-International responsibilities
-Use of financial assistance
-Effect of "buying" a solution
-Return to "old" problem
Bull entered at an unknown time after 3:08 pm.
President’s schedule
Bull left at an unknown time before 3:41 pm.
US-India relations
-Bangladesh
-Refugees
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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 7
[National Security]
[Duration: 2m 12s ]
FOREIGN AFFAIRS Conv. No. 523-2 (cont.)
-INDIA-PAKISTAN
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US-India relations
-President’s previous visits to Delhi
-Problem solving in India
-Drought possibility
-Keating reportage
-Past droughts
-Secretary of Agriculture Comments
-Effect of rain
Political Stability
Singh, et al. left at 3:41 pm.