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Really, uh...

I want to ask you a couple of questions.

Is that your research?

No, but I thought it was good to bring it into the White House because I think it used to... Oh, I'll be around until then.

I'm sorry, Mark Goodhead.

It seemed to me it wasn't quite that long.

It wasn't that long.

I talk fast.

But the main thing, I said, I need to bring more actors into the White House, because it is so important we have to do it.

I heard that at the U.S. Secretary of State.

We have nine standard agencies in the government.

But I think that's not a good line.

I hope they pick it up.

It'll be worldwide, and it'll be government-wide, and it'll be nation-wide.

I think that we ought to take the president's film and possibly the full brief.

and how the whole thing goes.

Make it into either a brief thing with the president, or a half hour, whatever it takes, and supply it to the local station.

Are you reading this?

Absolutely.

I'm providing, I'm providing.

You don't put that son of a poor, stupid ass that does this.

I told her, and again, he's had it every briefing that Ingersoll, Ingersoll, he's terrible.

He said, he's not, he's not here.

He said, well, I know he's out.

Thank God.

But he must never be home again, any briefing.

He is a disaster.

He just downed the tube.

Jackie, maybe you're all right.

The road is good.

The other thing, I think Jackie's going to be good, because he's still going to come in and get a lot of people.

The other good thing that I want you to pass out to the leaders, you know, I mean, to the press, I mean,

And the good news is that I was there.

I said, President, if you ever agree with me, I can't.

This is Mr. Jack.

He's tough.

He's abrasive.

He has my total backing.

He'll tell you that he'll be honest.

He isn't completely tired of anyone of ours, but we're going to do our whole thing together.

He's going to knock heads together, and it's controversial, but it's controversial.

He's not, and I heard all that, and I'm excited.

He's a tough man, a controversial man, a no-nonsense man, a totally honest man, and a man who, with all that, is an expert, totally dedicated.

He has my total backing.

He's going to knock the heads together, and I'm going to draw on it.

The other idea is that this one is both or false.

To the ambassador, John.

You see, Bob, if we had put that other statement on it, would you read the other one?

Yes, sir.

Would it have done anything?

No, sir.

I mean, it does not.

Hey, but you see...

You see why it won't work?

It's the single most deadly social problem in America today.

You've lost them right then.

Most people don't know how a social problem ends.

This administration is already taking a number of steps to deal with this problem.

Primarily in the field of enforcement.

We've lost them again.

So that requires that steps also be taken to rehabilitate.

That's a bad word.

Rehabilitate is a word that people don't understand.

They don't want to rehabilitate them.

They want to put them in jail or they want to portray them as law.

I want to do this.

Take five senators and expand rehabilitation centers to coordinate all federal and European public.

They want to coordinate.

They want to get rid of some.

also another lead in that where I say that this isn't enough money.

That's the other point I was going to make before.

I was glad to hear you say that.

He said that if this isn't enough, and as Jackie gets into it, if he considers this not enough, then there will be more money to deal with.

That money is not going to be...

That lack of money is not going to be a problem dealing with this.

We have to win this fight.

You might put this, and I consider that this is a battle that cannot be lost.

And that all the resources, all the resources of the government, financial resources of this country, educational resources, leadership resources from the highest level,

We'll be committed to this battle.

Put it that way.

This is a battle that cannot be lost.

God damn it, I wish they had put some of that in the office.

All the resources will be committed to this battle.

Whatever resources are necessary to win this battle will be committed to this battle.

We're going to win it.

Talk that way, whenever it's necessary to win this battle, we will be committed to it.

But you see, Ron, I'm just talking about the research people do not get anything that has any bite.

It doesn't have any lead in it.

They don't find any words.

You've got to have a word.

You've got to have something that, you know, they've got to have something to grapple with through gimmicks.

Well, the word you used in the leadership meeting, too, which was a good word, was jolted.

Excuse me, somebody else ought to pick them up.

People do that on the beach.

We ought to pick those up.

I said that.

Can you tell somebody?

Put it all up.

Sir, here you go.

He's great for a high-blown rapper.

But God darn, he's just not good.

And it comes down to, what's gonna be the lead tomorrow, boy?

Huh?

What's gonna be the cheer?

Sapphire's good at that, but his stuff is so off and really, so heavy.

There's, I don't know, that's it.

It really is, and it doesn't ring true.

It just doesn't matter.

I just can't use those numbers.

There's a point you can go if you can't do this.

It's my own stuff, basically.

Maybe Bob, I get it back to the fact, though, that it's abuse of presidential time.

It's hard work.

Maybe I just got to sit down and stop talking, right?

And I'm not supposed to be there to do it.

Because it's like I prepare for the press conference.

Those two days that I kick off every time they're prepared for it and they're working on it.

What if I just took that press conference book and gave the answers as they prepared for the book?

They'd be disastrous.

First of all, they'd be too long.

Second, when I pick up some of the stuff in there, they don't get the right tone.

They aren't the right...

And they don't bite sometimes.

The funny thing is that we don't have guys that don't listen to their conscience.

Go back and look what you've done and then write the next one the way you would do it.

They don't do it.

They're all too smart.

Maybe we just don't have the right, we need ghostwriters rather than what you really need is somebody who's not a man that's really creative.

Maybe just these guys, this is the way he writes it.

We all, our guys are all too damn smart in front of me.

What they, how they would say.

I'm not talking about that.

Let me say, little speeches and so forth.

What I want you to do, isn't that very true?

Let me just get rid of this crap.

I mean, really, I think most of it is crap.

And I just want to give you some small tips today.

And I don't intend to.

And I don't know why.

Now, that's an honor.

It's an honor to get through those.

It's a waste of time.

It really is.

Well, maybe .

But when you come down to it, how many more are here?

I mean, I like them all.

There's many more that I wouldn't want to see.

But Kendall, the thing you told me that I would know more about than any other school board or the secretary is the same thing.

I'm a juror therapy.

Well, the congressional therapy is different.

You've got to listen.

You've got to judge and choose.

I don't think it's necessary for these other people.

I shouldn't be digging anything that's pure, but that was my personal touch.

And he's a wonderful guy.

And a great old guy who's, I don't mind saying, but a great old guy.

I've known him a long time.

McClellan is, I think you probably have to do is to prepare the book, give me the bulletin.

That's congressional relations.

I wonder why I'm sure that's what's that about.

That's just a picture on a, because of a thing we're announcing that,

The highway, we're not moving the highway, the regional highway office will be in Oregon instead of moving into Washington.

Which has been a big fight, the Y has fought.

And it's a dangerous part for us to do.

We're out of our fucking minds to send everything to Seattle.

Nothing.

You can't carry Oregon, and Oregon does matter.

And Washington, we should write off.

We should move anything to Washington.

And we finally got a slice of it.

And this is true Michigan.

And can I say that?

Sure.

And you're not going to carry me.

And Minnesota is another one.

And Massachusetts.

Minnesota, Massachusetts, and California.

And just don't get around to taking care of them.

And that's why we sent them to California.

That's why we sent them to Texas.

Pennsylvania should get with them.

New York should get with them.

We have as early as Houston.

Ohio.

No question.

I mean, I think these guys are all good.

But because we're doing now the Oregon thing, we'll get twice the mileage in Oregon out of it just by letting Wyatt get a pick.

I have a plan for Bob.

I think the staff over there, they work slightly with everything they do.

It's also good, but I, I'm in the research side, but I, but I think what it really gets down to, that I have to take some of their income.

They've got to do better so that I don't have to spend as much time, and then I just got to take it and do it myself.

I really feel that's the answer.

Don't you agree?

Don't all of them?

Some of them have, yeah.

There's some that aren't.

I realize that maybe when I go out to speak in Chicago to the old folks, I shouldn't bother with that.

Maybe I just let somebody write.

God, they ought to be able to write that with a little status.

Yep.

And a little, hey, a little bit.

That's cook.

You should do that.

You know, you love the old folks and so forth and so on.

The medical thing, I ought to put some of my salt into that, I guess.

But who's working on that?

I just cook and heat everything.

I think heat and air is 100% possible.

Heat and air is basically, you will never get it.

You'll never get it.

I'll have all the figures and facts and statistics about the tone of work.

I'm not interested in that.

I'm not going to talk about that.

Be sure to have some drug stuff in there.

And you're right.

You have the best of colleagues among the doctors to set up an actual institute of mental health or an actual institute of...

We have bullets around here.

Oh, and then there's this thing that he does down at the library site.

Right out of his mouth, it's like some 900-year-old about to go in.

He said, now you're down there in Wall Street.

He said, it's the most amazing thing.

He said, out of all the things we've done, he doesn't think anything could get us far good than that.

He says, the attitudes of an awful lot of people, particularly women, have changed toward you and as a result of the women.

He wasn't trying to diss the women.

I think we've probably all seen this at the end of our lives.

I mean, we've been in things like this.

Reminded us, we kiss babies, and I get my picture taken with a deaf boy, and I do all that sort of thing, but there's certain

As you know, there's certain events and times and combinations of things where there's kind of a grabber.

Well, he said that he really thought people consciously changed.

It's astonishing to me how there's hardly anybody who didn't see what

And everybody who saw it raged about it.

Oh, I saw it.

It was very nice of them.

My God.

It was so good.

The president was so great.

The church was so good.

I've never seen it.

It's just amazing.

It's true.

NBC is rerunning it on Monday night.

They're really great.

Go for it.

It's great.

They've contacted us and asked if there was any additional...

material that we could supply them so that it would have a little freshness value to it.

What we're going to work on is giving them some Olly Atkins still pictures, and they're going to work from them, which would be very interesting to see work from some stills of some of the things that they didn't get, the TV didn't get coverage of.

Maybe a little bit of the setting up, maybe a little bit of the, you know, some shot.

Well, I would say that's all I've heard.

The Navy, you mean?

Why don't we give them the Navy shot?

Oh, we'll give them some.

We'll give them what will do the most good.

They just want a little just to kind of freshen it up.

The main thing, of course, is that they hear the wood.

Yeah, and you see they'll miss the dancing.

See, they were too early with the dancing.

Can we give them that?

If they didn't have it.

Yeah.

They've got that because that was on the pool beach, so they've got all that tape.

Well, they ought to use that.

Yeah, good.

or anything i could do no no don't get into doing anything more important how about doing something else how about letting them how about giving them some of the kid pictures i mean i know if everybody was running some of those you could go over and pictures pictures of baby and all that sort of thing run through that stay with your wedding on the way because they just want a little bit just to give it a impression

Yes, sir.

What is the best use of my time?

The best use of my time is to create something.

There is no question, whatever time you put in on doing this drug thing this morning,

was better use of that amount of time than anything he would have done.

Well, you know what, he did it on a certain age, but I thought it was on the last one.

I put down a couple of notes immediately, and so forth.

But still, what was good as it could have been, could have been better.

Yeah, but it was a hell of a lot better than it would have been if he hadn't done it.

I know, I know.

Otherwise, if he'd done it, the crack would draw him into that, draw him into the heart of my life, into the program of drugs.

I guess you're right, sir.

There's no way out of this for us.

Henry, listen to me.

You know, it's worse for him than it is for me because I at least apologize.

They're so mean, so nice, so totally wrong.

It's like this, they don't realize if you do something, they don't know what they're doing.

They don't know what they're doing.

Carol, and you know, some of the better, you know, smarter.

But nevertheless, a lot of that stuff was just in the Reddit, in the Reddit report.

But gee whiz, the older characters are just awesome.

They go and they finally discover that the black guy in Guatemala is really there.

That's true.

And there are Africans, and there are smart Africans, or dumb Africans.

So I forgot 20 years ago.

I hear these people come in, the same with the Congressmen.

People are always on the way when they discover, you know, you take somebody who reads a book that's been around for 50, a book that's been here for 50 years, and they read it and they think they've discovered it.

It's true.

I've never had the ability to attend it.

You were.

Did you dance?

I was done with great dignity, and I'm not going to do it.

The Academy of Warrants came through, which is very good to know, and it's a mere example of a political event.

Did you see it on television?

Any other?

Well, in fact, they told me that it was very good.

The thing that was so terrific was, you know, the normal complaints.

They always get stuff to watch with the President.

And this, you know, he was a human, warm family man, which could have been better.

But I didn't do much about it.

I just walked down the aisle.

A couple of other things were very untrue.

Now, it was really, I thought Pat, I was proud of him.

He did have a good time.

I thought Pat looked absolutely stunning.

Yeah, she had a low face.

She did look great.

And the dress, the neck, it was nice, too.

You know, that was sort of like a ballet boss, you know.

Did you see how he looked in the dance floor?

Yes, I was there, but I was, but it was not like a ballet.

I just had a call from Henry Hubbard because he's got to lie too much that I can't tell.

He was out by the New York Times.

So I hope that, I hope I'll show you how some will see it.

Well, let's turn it out.

Most of them are not there.

It's not any of them.

Now, I've gone back, and I've really raised my hand to say we're honest today, because we haven't yet.

I want to know whether the documents with regard to World War II

before we got in at Pearl Harbor to declassify.

I know they have.

The Korean War documents have not been declassified.

Oh, that's easy.

Of the Korean War documents.

I know that, but I know that the Pearl Harbor documents have not been declassified.

The official declassification has reached 1947.

That's right.

But I'll bet that there's some World War II documents.

That's another reason.

There's another reason.

I heard, I understand, that some Canadians beat about something, right?

Oh, they're making a statement in Parliament.

Because, you see, the moment you put out top-secret documents, inevitably, you reveal your sources.

What the hell?

Well, we... Now they have to explain it.

in common with what he did.

Well, Don, I'm not sure you were telling me that your primary interest, apparently, is Egypt, huh?

Yeah.

Yeah, I was thinking about Egypt.

Now, I'm getting ready to start you around, but I didn't realize you had been to Greece.

Yeah.

Well, let me tell you before you begin with Greece, Dan, you're a fascist, aren't you?

The more they attack the Greek government, the more on the floor.

The problem is we can't do anything about it.

We've got to press them on.

And that's the difficulty with our stinky tango allies.

You don't have to, Mr. President.

The thing that I can do from our standpoint, we should support the Greeks and leave them alone.

And the thing in these socialist countries, which everybody likes to preach that we should have around the world, is they don't have the management to run the damn place.

And at least in Greece, they've got that country turned around, and the people are better off.

And that's the thing you should really be concerned about.

And they're strong allies, so they are better off.

Of course they're better off.

Well, look at the economy.

It's going.

You think that the people are...

I've never seen this in the State Department report, but the economy's moving up.

The economy... Why do we hear these things?

Well, there are two countries of these trees that are moving up.

Brazil is the only one.

Oh, Brazil is terrific.

And if I remember correctly, you've never sold anything?

Not for 18 months.

Go ahead.

But Greece, the country is booming.

This thing is on its way.

And if you can just, if they can forget elections for a while until they get the country back on economic terms.

Just look what's happened in Argentina.

What's a typical example with your friend Frida was saying, it turned that economy around.

It reduced inflation from 30% down to 7%.

The government got weak-kneed and said they couldn't stand with the policy.

Now look what's happened within 12 months.

It's backed up to 30%.

Well, the people I'm talking about, in Greece, I just take hands off and support them.

Forget it.

In Turkey, I can't comment on that.

I think it's too early.

The government has just moved in.

They've taught me.

I can't handle it.

The response, of course.

But Iran is a country I really want to spend a little time on.

I haven't been there since 1962.

It's like somebody waited an absolute magic wand.

The place has changed so much that...

The GNP is moving up at 9% a year, a tear around.

It's just tremendous.

It's in a boom period.

And the Shah has done an unbelievable job.

If you look, remember the map of that part of the world, it's the only stable country in the whole area.

You've got Pakistan, Afghanistan.

Well, here is what, John, we are, but a fair game.

Believe me, if you're going to support the Shah or the country, we hope you are.

and everything with the consortium and everything else, and he's the best friend we've got in that part of the world.

I think he can replace the British in 30 years.

He sure did so.

Well, I think he can.

Because he solved his problem with the Arabs, because they were concerned about the expansionist plan of the Shah, but when he renounced his plan to Bahrain,

It removed the pressure.

That might come back again.

You know, there's that little island at the entrance of the Persian Gulf.

The communists have gone into Yemen and the lower states.

And what he's worried about is that little island, that if they move over and take that up, the British move out and get political control.

But you put in the 12-mile zone and you shut out the Persian Gulf.

And my bet is that when the British pull out, he'll move in and take over the island.

Physically.

What he's done for the country is he's gotten rid of a few lords and opened up the floodgates to these people who've never had anything before and all of a sudden they've got television in there.

The desire to be rising faster than his ability to cope with it.

They've got 22,000 students that are outside of the country now in universities.

And some of those are coming back with a lot of problems that you can well imagine, particularly from the United States.

So the biggest problem I see on the future is that you're creating an industrial aristocracy now in Iran because people who once could make money accumulate great wealth.

And if something isn't done to change this group and make them try and do something for the people, and I'm talking about the people working in their plants instead of paying them the wages they are to do something in housing, you may have the same kind of problem that you have.

But you won't be able to stop it.

I've talked to Blacksburg.

I've shown them the B-Store once at a tram where they do something overseas.

And this is an area where they can do it, get the business community organized around.

I've already talked to them, had a meeting with three of the industrial leaders over there.

And if we can just, all they want to do is know how to do it.

How do you get employees and start a housing project where they can buy a house?

which means starting a financial credit corporation so that they can have a long-term payout.

And they can do it all in a private sector.

So I think the country is fantastic.

From your standpoint, I've got a suggestion of what you should do to support it.

If you can't make the 25,000-year anniversary of which you've been invited to, and I assume that you can from what MacArthur told me,

I don't know.

If you can't do it, I've got a good suggestion for you, which will do almost as much.

I would send LBJ.

He is well-liked for the show.

He's a cattle man.

And to me, it's like using the retired chairman of the board.

You can use the guy for something that's better than sending Agnew, for example.

I might send Johnson.

He's pretty well-promised for Agnew.

The good habit is, you know, we get it in Greece, though, in other words.

Let me say that there's a possibility I can still do it, too.

Even though, of course, now you understand this is the reason I started cool with Gardner, and I just don't want him to build up the coach.

But we have it in the back of our minds that it has to come in tandem with other things that are higher, you know what I mean?

In other words, it would be a conjunction with a trip to, you know, where...

If you could go, of course, you would just really wrap it up.

Because, but even if you send Johnson, you'll put the license and the other in a peculiar position, because how in the hell are you going to send somebody that can match Johnson?

They can't do it.

They can match that easily.

They can't do it.

They're going to send Khrushchev.

I'd love to see them do it for the chairmen.

But if you can't, that's a good idea.

That's a good idea.

Incidentally, let's think of some other place we could send Johnson, just with a dark side of talk on it.

He's kicking him around.

He's just, I'm entirely, I mean, I, you know, that's what this New York Times thing, Donald Miller, they don't, it's all skin on mark.

I mean, this is all on Kennedy and Johnson.

Right.

It's just pretty awful.

I know that it's all their administration, not us.

Uh,

Well, I'm a good one.

I'm sorry.

I saw him this year.

I like him.

We may understand in some way or another.

People, you know, they're complacent.

Oh, I was thinking as to, we were carrying each other.

He is one guy that has some stature that you could use in some way or another.

You know, I'm going to come and think about it.

He was damn good.

Very good.

Go ahead.

In Lebanon, just very briefly, the economy there is very good.

I met with the president.

The president, to use an expression my father always used, the water doesn't run very deep in Lebanon.

The argument that he used, he berated me for an hour and a half.

And I told him I spent up my life, and I'm spending it on the trip.

I think I did a very effective job of it.

But a lot of the same kind of arguments that you heard when you were there.

The whole thing is our fault.

We can solve it in 24 hours.

The only thing that should be in our system is that they just think that you've totally forgotten.

Because the last time you were there, remember you had that dinner when the president was there.

The guy was another president.

All of a sudden,

when you listened to their story, of course, you were sitting there saying, hmm, hmm, hmm.

And I thought that meant, yes, I agree.

And they all think that you're their president because they all know you.

The thing that you get, the biggest difference, I can't explain all of it, our support of Israel, and you know, the plane and all that, but the one thing you cannot explain to them is that they haven't probably allowed the Jewish community to send money over with them to the tax deduction to support them.

That's a hard one to argue.

I came back and said, well, the Arabs, if they want to do the same thing, they should get a tax deduction.

In Egypt, which is a thing I was afraid I was going to lose in both of them.

What do you want?

And I was there as Sadek moved in.

I was amazed with the speed at which he did it.

He was a lot stronger than everybody thought he was.

And he's done a very clever thing.

He's kept the NASA image.

He's doing everything in the name of NASA, but he just literally changes everything that NASA was talking about doing.

Why he made these changes in the cap, it was all supporting NASA's

It appears he's got better people in his government.

The guy that I spent the longest time with is Haeckel, who was two and a half hours, and he is the man behind the foreign policy.

He was when NASA was there, and he's moved back into the same identical spot again.

In fact, we are getting messages from Sadat to Haeckel.

It comes from Sadat to Haeckel to our man in Paris, the place he goes most of the time.

Because I've been on previous trips, and I like to commute to Egypt, I really hit him over the head.

I hit Hapel so that I could get on.

Yes.

Because he's been, Bill was in a position, this was his first trip over there, he wasn't asking Egyptians or anything, so he had nothing to really hit Hapel with.

And you don't get Hapel really saying what he thinks until you, until you think, and I was supposed to be with him a half hour, and I ended up two and a half hours.

And one of the people went because of the argument he got into.

Hensel is not a communist.

He's a socialist.

He doesn't believe in capitalism.

He believes in the socialist revolution.

He doesn't believe in socialism.

He doesn't believe in the Nixon Cochrane.

He thinks you're going to lose in Vietnam and Southeast Asia.

He talked to me on why were we supporting the rebels in Thailand, which is a foreign power in the region.

Messing around supporting

Well, it should be a local government.

He's talking about some form of government.

I told him that he apparently didn't understand the Nixon doctrine, that the whole theory was that we were going to help people to help themselves.

And he said, yes, but in this case, the rebels are fighting for the people.

And that's when I really hit him like, I said...

I said, it's painful.

I said, what makes you think that the people are going to be better off in Thailand?

I said, I was just there last spring.

And I said, the people in Thailand, they're a hell of a lot better off than they are here in Egypt.

And I said, all you've done in Egypt is you've taken one class of people out of the big houses and replaced them with another group of people.

And the poor people are still just as bad off as they were before.

And they are.

There's been absolutely no progress.

And he said, the poor people are poorer at anything than they were before.

And it's just a new group of people living in my house.

And I said, socialism is fine if you've got the management capabilities to carry on.

But I said, you don't have it.

And I said, we've got, even if we realize it's always that bad, it must be a real, just a total socialism.

And I said, I guess they all are.

And I said, well, they believe in that.

And he said, well, he's more ideological than some of the others.

I mean, he's younger than, I don't know, like one of those, you know,

The other thing is, as far as the Arab-Israeli thing, the Egyptians are desperate to make a deal.

Absolutely desperate.

They'll do anything that the military or the public could think.

You know, if they can get away with it, come on, you think they really need you?

I'll tell you what.

He finally came up and said, he said, look, if we don't make any progress, he said, we will go to war and can't even know that we are going to lose the war.

Because that means the United States and Russia are then going to have to get into it.

And they will have to make a settlement.

And rather than sit here and let this continue on forever, we would rather create a war.

And you've got to remember that Sadat is going to have trouble with those generals who are out in the desert who wouldn't be upset if we were out there.

Remember, that's lazy, son.

But he's going to have trouble long-term keeping the military under control, something that's done.

I told him that.

that if they were going to make a deal, they'd better do it while you were in office because of the Democrats that were gunning the gamut.

They thought you were ready to gain support now, but they really haven't.

The comment I got from all of them, the comment that I got from everybody, whether it was British, American, German, who it was, was identical on Goldeneye.

They said that they doubted that you were going to be able to make a deal about Goldeneye.

that she was as bad as the worst Arab, that she hated the Jews because she came from this country, that she just could not make a settlement because of this deep inborn hatred of the Arabs.

And that she was not pliable, and she did not have enough control over the government controls.

But the only way you're ever going to get a settlement was with Diane.

And that Diane was, because he is a modern in his daily

who sort of helped get this thing started.

He's a hero in the country that he can give the leadership and is more pliable towards making the settlements.

The other thing I picked up is that the British and the Europeans have done a beautiful job of just sort of sliding out the whole damn thing.

They are supporting, in the Arab world, they think that the British and the Europeans are completely behind them, and the only one that's supporting Israel is Assad.

From my own standpoint, I don't think you can continue to give any more military support.

I don't believe that just keeping a balance of power

And the only way the

Egyptians could win, and the Russians win, and a man, the planes, the guns, the tanks, the whole thing.

They couldn't possibly.

The Israelis could just walk over that part of the world.

So you don't have a balance of power, and I think that you have got to slowly tighten the valve on Israel, and gradually grind it into where they get the message that they've got to have it.

Not only because the Arabs have a position now where they've got to have it.

That's it.

Now, I have issued an invitation to April, as I told you, to come over.

I think that if he can come over, then I'm getting Emily up to the house this weekend, and the two of them sit down and get a nice lot of private food.

Yeah.

It will be made, and I think you should break off.

I think you should stay.

I should what?

I think you should stay while I'm here.

Well, it's a possibility of mine.

If it's at the time that we do this, it makes progress.

Now, the other thing is in the middle, we have some events.

I've seen events, so I see you could balance it all.

Well, I think you should.

This fellow, you can make a great one.

He's got to be killed.

We can have the Arab world back if we want it just like that.

They hate the Russians.

Even the guy like Haigel doesn't like the Russians.

The people that are on the ships that get off, the people that are manning the sand, when they go into Cairo or Alexandria on, you know, when they get their days off, they stay by themselves, they don't mix with the Egyptians at all, but the worst thing is they don't spend any money.

And as you know, the Egyptians hate people who don't, because they live on tips and people handing out things, and the Russians don't have it.

So you can take the thing over very easily, if you take it easy.

And the last point is the Japanese are back over there again.

We met with them in New York on Monday with Iwasa Kono, the whole goddamn group.

I met with Peterson this morning.

Despite my opinion about Peterson, which is a very personal experience, I think the guy has a very good understanding of it.

No question about it.

He's got an excellent understanding of it.

And I think that he has got to be backed.

That you have got to figure out a way to put all the marbles that we've got in one basket as young as you can.

I don't think you can talk to him any longer.

There's no point in you having any meetings with him.

I wouldn't have any one meeting with him.

I'd figure out all the things that I have to play with.

And I would sit down very quietly.

And I'd say, here are the conditions in which we're going to operate if our doors are going to stay open in the United States, we're their biggest customer.

And I'd lay down all the things that you want, and I wouldn't talk at all, but I would make sure

that when i did that that i had the muscle to carry it out in other words you can't threaten anymore you can't talk about trade legislation or this is going to happen or the people are going to get upset you have got to be ready to move and if they don't do what you tell them they've got to do that you've got to shut the door now there are things that you can do and pete is well aware

And I wouldn't move if it takes you three months or six months to get prepared for it.

When I sat down, I don't know who you want to sit down with, but somebody, I'll sit down and lay it down.

And if you don't, I will make a prediction that somebody will be sitting in this office ten years from now and wondering how in the hell the Japanese did this to it.

Because they are going around the world.

They're using their trading companies.

They're going in and buying up 20% and 30% interest in foreign countries.

And all they want is a supply.

All they want is a supply.

They've got the shipbuilding thing out of where they've got absolute control of it.

They've produced ships and sold them around the world where nobody else can compete with them.

They've now got over 50% of the shipbuilding.

And what's happening now, the prices are going just like this because they don't have competition.

They've eliminated competition.

Of course, they won't do the shipbuilding.

All of this is a method of selling their steel.

And that's exactly what they did.

I mean, they taught Peterson this.

He agrees with himself.

He's terrible at it.

He understands the job.

He's probably obeying the cameras.

He knows how they kick them in the teeth.

Well, and he's dealt with it long enough to where he's gotten a very tough...

Stayed very close to Peterson.

He surprised me.

Frankly, I had doubts about him for some because I figured he was pretty liberal in this and that.

But the guy in this field has turned out to be a tiger.

Yeah.

He is tough as a dick, isn't he?

And we're all .

I just turned down something.

Algeria, I am not going to continue to provide loans for countries that expropriate without adequate compensation.

We cannot encourage expropriation.

If they expropriate the right compensation, we've got to deal with it.

You know what I mean?

And we've got this problem here because otherwise, we're going to just encourage these socialists to expropriate everything.

And we'll have to get them holding the bank.

Well, I think that you've got to deal with it.

Try to pause with this stuff, please.

Using our trade policy to support our foreign policy during the 50s was fine.

The Marshall Plan was great.

These were things we could afford to do, but you have now got to have a trade policy to support our own economic policy, not our foreign policy.

You just cannot afford to walk in.

Your policy has got to be geared to what's going to make this nation tick, not what's going to help other nations tick, because we can't afford it any longer.

That's a very good point.

you make that point exactly that way it's a way it's a bit the rhetoric is important we can't afford it now let's use our trade policy that's what we're trying to do we've got you we just you can't we just take the time we can't run our freight costs

I tried to get along with my friends at Wilson.

My first, you know, being in the lecture, my lecture said, well, if you don't, you know,

Why should they?

All around the world, I am not saying my sole test is are they friends of the United States or not?

Do they have a stable government or not?

Are they moving up or down?

And heck, all this business of kicking people around.

That's the way we feel about it.

On China, I gather you're considering going there yourself.

Well, that's not immediate, but in the long run, yeah.

I think it would be great, then, if the time would be found.

The thing is that years later, people will look back on this administration.

We will have done a number of things.

We will have ended the war in Vietnam.

That's difficult, but we will accomplish it.

We will have some better relations with the Russians.

Not friendly, but at least some movement on arms control.

But the most significant thing will have to be the China breakthrough.

That's very difficult because, boy, there's nothing I hate more than to do anything that makes our friends in Taiwan disturbed.

But we will stand with Taiwan.

We've got to as a country.

But you cannot continue to stand with 15 million and isolate 800 million.

What we're trying to do is to play that game.

You see my point?

Oh, yeah.

And you understand it.

That's what I'm talking about here.

Taiwan, everything.

But the 15...

Any, any sophisticated Taiwanese will tell you that they have respect for the name of John.

It goes up and down, right?

Yeah, but you've got to support them in the United Nations.

They've still got to have a seat in Atlanta.

I mean, you've got Togo, Atlanta, the same thing.

Oh, absolutely.

They're bigger than two-thirds of them.

Okay.

As I recall, you've got those, any way that you do, this is how they do it.

The President was asking me to take over the financing of the urban thing, which I'm not going to do unless you've got some political reason to do it.

I'm going to leave it to you for other things.

You know, I'm the mayor of the state, and I'm happy we were able to bid us a stay, but you're going to be here for the year, right?

I think we're going to have some money there.

Come on, let's do this.

If you get here, how are you going to do it?

All right.

Don't do anything, or let's fight this.

What are you going to do?

So, you know, that's my position.

That's why I said I wouldn't do it unless you, this is the favorite way to put the name on it.

It's just different.

And I said, well, it's really nice.

This is the, it's the soulless compact that the president should see over your life.

He has got to have support around here.

There's still a lot of people who don't believe in us.

If you go see him, you have to have those same lines.

Make that reference.

He uses great policy to support economic policy.

If the old leader is done, he could buy off banks.