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Sorry to disturb you.

I understand.

Should we get the world orders carried out?

Yes, sir.

Good, and they're not going.

Good.

It turns out that Rogers initiated the meeting, and one more room, and Albert called.

He says he ran into Clark and Werner, so he told Clark, I mean, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know.

He said it was going to be embarrassing because he was afraid Albert had told some people that they were coming.

And I said, fine.

Have him say it wouldn't be appropriate during the trial.

And so he said, well, all right.

And then I talked to Laird.

And Laird was already bicycling on his press statement.

Very hard.

How do you handle that?

Do you handle it singularly?

I've seen him and given him a copy of what the U.S. attorney said and gone through the things that we discussed here.

You'll have to go away and tell him to call out now.

I've got to get these people.

He's not supposed to take one of my minutes.

He's got to tell me.

No.

Are you ready to announce that?

Oh, sure.

It's largely symbolic.

They're coming in.

As Louie Nunn says...

I'm not going to tell the president what to do.

He says, I'm down here to save my neck.

Well, anyway, you've told him.

I've told him, and I've made it very strong.

And Laird is trying to exculpate himself on his press statement now.

He sent me over a transcript of what he told the press, but he sent me a transcript of something he said two hours after I talked to him.

So...

But anyway, it's done.

It's done.

And now the point is that I don't believe that I should...

The more I think about it now, now that he has, frankly, got us a little pregnant, I don't think I would call him the leader of the party.

What do you think?

No.

I think that the word could be passed through Clark.

We've got to meet with him.

All right.

We get together individually, right?

Right.

Okay.

We can.

Very good.

Yeah.

All right.

Yeah.

Alright, have a beautiful day, man.

Oh, yeah.

Well, we looked at it last night, my wife and son.

We were with my wife and the vice president last night.

She insisted we leave the vice president to get out so she could watch the wedding.

Ah!

That's the best way to put it.

That's the best way.

Won't you tell us what we can do?

Well, we wanted to talk to you.

The president, ladies and gentlemen, I share the advice and government.

Right.

We talked last night among the three of us as to whether or not we should

widen our ranks and bring a couple of our Democratic friends in.

And we felt that the whole mechanics of the problem presented to us was one, that we wouldn't discuss the political context, rather than the merits of the program, because obviously you feel strongly about the program itself.

It's basic merits, and it's basic for us.

But...

Right.

And it was in the budget document that the president is on the Hill.

Right.

But we've had a little bit of a problem, Mr. President, especially with the authorization bill and the fact that you've got this unlawful marriage presented to you.

You're sorry?

Yes.

The only possible way to have this governor sued, you know, and they put one with another, one that you can't do, and they put something else.

It's like...

Well, he's now separated from Social Security.

I have to be consistent, so.

Can you go ahead and present that in our detail?

What's that?

I have a detail that we have.

Oh, God, yes.

That's one thing they need, but you don't have a detail.

I have a detail.

In the latest article.

I haven't, I haven't, but we wish we had.

Oh, it takes a few of these vows, and they hang most horrible things, but go ahead.

We've covered what we've covered.

Politically, we feel that we've got a problem that is presented there, basically, to the fact that in the Annalisa State, say, the West Virginia County, you have six states, Mr. President, that have supported you overwhelmingly, as far as the electoral vote is concerned.

We feel that this is going to have, and can have, an adverse effect.

It's hard to explain to these people.

And our enemies are experts at the distortion.

And the fact that we've got accelerated public works on it.

We, of course, in the region, are involved in accelerated public works.

It does have some magnetism to it, simply because it gives them the opportunity to catch up of years of actually doing nothing.

And so we wonder and question whether or not that in looking at it,

a, as we will carefully, whether or not there is another answer, rather than moving on the authorization legislation, saving our efforts for your efforts on the appropriation bills.

Of course, Dr. Harper tells me that postponing disaster is a postponing the issue for you, Mr. President.

We're looking for a countermeasure to ARC.

It expires on June 30th.

We question whether or not, for example, with the intensities that develop between the House and the Senate, whether or not we can get a continuing resolution through appropriation and character, but what's necessary by reason of the expiration of the Act would have to take into consideration some legislation on appropriation that will essentially answer all of these.

which would fall or exposes us to a single objection, practically, as it's considered in the counties.

We think that while that's talked of as a basis of continuing the program, till we work the matters of difference out, a little further down the pike, we think that we take an unusual risk.

What is the prospect on that front?

I'm continuing on the word that there is very peaceful.

Yes, there will be effectively many staffs from both the House and Senate Appropriations Committees, and they will not see the likelihood that anyone would raise a point at work, which would block the discussion.

I don't really believe there's a very good chance we'd get it.

Get it.

Now, of course, that's a risk, but this program is one that is very few people on the board against.

Well, in the HRC world, Mr. President, it's not quite correct.

We find that there is development on the Hill.

That was during my period of time up there.

So I like other parts of this.

Yes.

Because they want to be included in some of that.

And it's awfully hard to be against helping this region in the country.

Good God, I mean, that's sort of the original poor region of the country.

That's the deprived region there.

You know, it's just good politics for everybody.

It's good politics for all the presidential candidates in the Senate.

It's good politics for Republicans and so forth.

The type of copy art you have is, I mean, I know this is getting to the accelerated public works.

It's just the one that we face here, and it's a real problem.

If you get that, you know, once you get the authorization, it's all that works.

It's just after all, it's sort of on that.

It's just as a follow-up.

Let me say this.

First, I think, first, if you as the Congress should, if you would, if you could say that you can't come here and talk about it,

The President indicated his all-out support for the Appalachian program.

He pointed out the difficulty, of course, of having the program contain any bill which had some, what he considers to be very bad legislation, which better not go into the legislation.

uh, about that, uh, he, uh, he, uh, indicated, uh, that, uh, that we, that, uh, without, of course, we haven't indicated, we haven't indicated, we haven't indicated that we would put, that then the administration

is that we would have a top priority getting the Appalachian Regional Commission extended, either in one way or another.

But you have to believe that on the tactics, we'll have to go.

You can say that you have a complete commitment, which I, of course, gave to you when we all met down here for a second.

We do have a problem, which all of you Congress understand.

A good legislation is a bad.

and that we don't have an idea we might say that it's too bad the president doesn't have an idea that uh that we will uh that i will uh we met with our domestic staff domestic council staff here i have instructed them i'm doing it right now

effort all out to work out the legislative situation and how that can be extended.

In other words, we've got to come down for you all the way.

Now, I can't really tell you sitting here at this moment whether I can't just give you an absolute assurance that we will come.

But I think that, frankly, I think we have a pretty good chance.

I think we're going to have a great chance to do it.

But the main thing is, let's come down strongly on the side of what we say now.

And I, you have an extra judgment, John, why don't you?

I think that it would be,

It would be premature to go out and say that the President definitely is going to veto this bill.

No, no, I haven't said that.

We're not saying that.

So you're saying the problem is that the President has a problem just because there's a bill here that has...

I do have something to say today.

It's a lot, something very good that we want to recognize.

The other thing is that he has great outside.

He hasn't indicated what position he's going to take in this bill, but he did.

And as far as the Appalachian Regional Commission, Appalachian Regional Commission, I know you can call us there.

I didn't know.

that he is, and an indication to that that it's in our, that it's in our world, our government should have a program that's part of that.

But we're for it now, pending that it be acted on for a while.

And that we're looking forward now and that we are going to work out within our working house strategy.

The governor's coming, reminding me of the meeting we had before.

I didn't need to be converted.

I was already converted.

I can simply say that you certainly paid your case.

You have my complete support.

I think that's not as much as I can say now.

That leads to the other thing.

I think there's two areas here.

I think we can explain this with respect to all of them.

But we explained it one time.

Maybe you'll get to make one trip to each of those states.

Now, the majority of the members of the Congress come back here about every weekend.

What they're going to say is, we passed the Appalachian bill.

We provided...

for a public works program to take care of your sewer problem, your water problem here, to help the ecology in the river.

And we went back again in Congress, and we saved it the second time.

But there's no assurances going on.

And they're going to be just a week in and a week out.

And there will be Arch and Lynn and myself, and we have to talk about this.

And I'm concerned about what's going to happen the next year, really.

Well, the main thing is to get them, and we want to succeed in those.

We can get this thing ahead.

That's a good question, isn't it?

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is necessary.

Well, I think, Mr. President, we've done, we've done, it's not the whole process, but I've said the President has agreed with an unlawful merit in some things.

It's good on the one hand, and it's good, let's say, on the other.

And, as a matter of fact, even the questions this morning indicated that it was a serious, serious problem, and that it did not in any way reduce your interest in the program.

I knew that.

I heard you speak of it.

It was in the budget document.

It was in your, part of your undersharing proposals, the special categories.

All of that had been said, but that doesn't, in Louis, that doesn't get it down to the guy in the street.

And we'll say that, I'll say it a time again, but

I just, I'm going to keep learning less, but tell you what, if you don't, so it really is, it really is a part of the community, isn't it?

It really took a, we had some results before, and it was representative of about 40% of the population centers where ordinary people run strong, I don't run strong.

But he took Kennedy 63% to something like 30% for himself and 61% over Muskie, which was totally amazing for us to take.

Totally amazing.

It's an aside.

It's got to bring people back up.

We've been taking .

I just wanted to ask this.

There's a guy named Louis, I mean, I spoke to him every day.

He said, what's the word on it?

He's on with another top woman.

And he said, what's the word on it?

I said, well, I'm calling my friend Louis.

I didn't get that thing done.

He said, well, you've got to hand it to him.

What are your stories?

The polls are real good.

We have six portion of approval of Democrats.

You left that well into the thick.

This is a vice-president, so it takes two or three.

But we do the same thing.

It's true in Tennessee.

I was in South Carolina a few days ago.

And I'm still jealous.

Well, the main thing in all of this, the press, the polls, and so forth, you want to remember that we go through now a period when our Democratic friends have their voices heard.

You know what?

Well, apart from that, a score over the history of

I've got to say, for your issuance, the most important thing, Paul, is this, that when you get up there, that's going to look very good.

And, of course, some other things as well.

You can feel the economic side.

You've got your bubbles up and down.

The most important is to have that economy look good next year, as good as possible this year and next year.

Thank God we are here.

I think the main point you should emphasize is that President and the kid and all of us work for Appalachia.

He didn't conign to me at first what he was going to do about this particular bill, and that we would like to have it considered on his merits.

We'd like to try to find a way to consider it on his merits.

But anyway, all that's the work we have to make sure.

I think that's as good as it can do.

I guess we can do this.

I know it's hard.

And they say, well, is he going to be joking?

So I said, well, I don't know.

And we'd like to separate the thing.

We're going to work the whole thing out if possible.

But I have strong feelings about Appalachia.

We've got, you have a commitment that we're going to devote every possible effort to get it continued.

And we have a problem, a problem in terms of demanding that the people that you've got

Let's just hopefully work it out.

You mentioned your friends.

They're our friends, Humphrey and Lucky.

I really enjoyed being aware last week to testify.

Oh, thank you.

Elmer.

Oh, right.

I got to tell you, Liz and Humphrey testified for a while.

They really were on that bandwagon.

Are they?

Yeah.

We had a good meeting in New York with Ron Paul.

Oh, yeah.

Thank you very much.

There's nobody to see that, just horses that consider something higher.

I don't know where you're pushing, but I, you know, Wilbur now has one looking great, and he's coming out with his own.

You're going to make it?

Yeah.

You've just got to.

Don't you think so, John?

Sure.

Right?

It's not, it may be my golden idea, but I'll never have anything.

Who doesn't have anything yet?

It's Heather.

I'll tell you the one that I think we're, you know, we've got problems with.

That's what we're going to do.

And I think that's what some of you fellows are going to do.

I'm not going to try to ask you to say what you feel about it.

That's what welfare is for.

There's just an awful lot of people that are against it, because they voted for the Advantage Assistance thing.

No, they separated Social Security from it.

That's a nomination where you're taking away a tremendous care.

You're taking Social Security away and Advantage Assistance up or down.

And welfare reform, because the welfare reform party, we really stuck in there.

You may get a slice of both of us.

That's what I mean.

The liberals, who don't mind being reformed, and who don't want these pounds that are on welfare to work, they're going to have to go against them.

And conservatives will go against many institutions because they don't want to extend the working order.

We don't know.

This is about five o'clock, I think.

Today, I think, yes, sir.

As of this afternoon, thanks.

We're narrowly ahead.

We're going to make a family session on the whole thing.

That would be great.

But didn't they separate the two?

Well, they have a limited rule.

They have a limited rule.

Which means they have two votes.

One on one and the other.

That's what they have.

All right.

I'll search tonight.

Most of them have a rule.

Well, that's it.

That's the time of discussion.

Yeah, but I...

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So there's London that did, that's a large name of that.

I'm concerned that he had to roll on that thing.

He was out of town.

I think it was working posters.

Oh, I see that.

Yeah, that's it.

I think we took care of it.

Mm-hmm.

I mean, everything's done.

Everything's done, yes.

Do you want to correct me?

I'm curious about the state of the other wedding.

Sure, sure.

I have a good idea of the date of the wedding.

I want to say his little girl, he introduced me to Tuffy.

with Lucy Winchester, who is a tremendous female speaker.

I know I got pretty smart.

You said they're all women.

I thought you were pretty smart, Mark.

That's not what I was talking about.

I was pretty smart.

Anyway, she did a great job at speaking to various states,

There was a big, tall guy in Western India that was in the governing group of the

Well, that's a great thing.

We're going to the president's interview.

Well, that's why he said he was going to.

It's just a great thing.

I'm just sorry they're not stationed there.

I have other stations, which is fine, too.

Make orders or something.

They looked like the people so much.

The people, the police were nice, the star keepers were nice.

Dr. Julie was saying to me after her here, she was not in school at the time, so if you like, she was saying that and she said, you know, she said it's so different.

That's what you should know.

There's a lot of good folks in Massachusetts.

Most of those have gone to hell.

You know what I mean?

The radicalism, I just don't believe it.

They're not like kids like you and David.

They made life rough for them.

They made it rough.

Down here, they said, in Virginia, everybody was so proud.

I said, what are you going to do?

He said, go home.

Oh, my God, let's run somebody there.

You, you better run.

Let me see you.

It's a gentleman.

Okay.

I just couldn't have ever changed the pace of motion.

See that?

That's what I was looking for.

Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on.

Okay.

What happened?

Well, he had a vote at the very end.

Why don't you and I talk about it?

No, my dad's gotta win now.

He lives in November, we're okay.

But he might win now, because he can win.

Because of what?

Because of the Democrats.

The Democrats are going to fight.

They sure did.

That's too bad.

I'm working with them, just working with them.

You know, they're, what are they doing?

They're just trying to tear us up all to pieces again.

They didn't do it.

The, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh,

Did they go over again and take it over?

It's just, every time, uh, George Shatner, I don't keep that name, I think, uh, who did your, uh, Shatner, do you remember?

Oh, sure, yeah.

The man is George Shatner, and he lives over here, and he's been in the house, so it's just one time, but he's just, by now, he's, uh, he's got a run against, uh, you know, whoever they come up with.

Which one?

Who?

It wouldn't be great if only we had a caretaker.

This is, uh, this is the, uh, situation, you know, in the river.

uh we've got a decision they've amended our whole institution he's 72. uh the decision has to be whether to stay in west virginia and live right about there or whether to

So the decision is whether to go one or the other.

And, uh, it's, uh, I'll talk to you about it.

No, really, Mike Markham, I don't know, I don't know the political situation.

Rather strong as man.

God, you know, and he can't pick up a senator.

He sure do run a strong candidate for the Senate.

Because this is where we might have things going for us.

Well, I think you are going to do nationally.

We do.

This is nationally.

I did, as I said, right at the present time.

Sure, they're hanging around about the war and the economy and the rest of it.

But you move those things away.

And then you see your voice look good next year.

The thing was exactly what he said he was waiting for.

He said those casualties were down to 50, and then they'd be down pretty soon to 20.

And she said, is that that right now?

Yes, sir.

And then she said, about 19 one week.

25.

And it's down, except for this pop-up.

This is the strangest thing.

Ms. Baldwin took him out as a fugitive of her mind.

He's just a radical, totally a radical.

But, you know, Johnson lived out some of the defective.

McNamara really ordered this study in order to embarrass Johnson.

Bobby Kennedy became the candidate.

I can't believe McNamara would have been that dishonorable.

He could, but I can't believe him.

I'm assuming whatever the reason he got there.

I think there's 47 cases of accidents.

Now, most of the crashes have been classified in the first place.

what assistant secretaries say that no president pays attention to many times.

It's the secretaries, not all the assistant secretaries and departments.

But nevertheless, here he comes along.

All right.

If you do a mistake as well, you can go on your trip, or at least the place that we had this finished.

Okay.

Well, gentlemen, we're kind of here for the mouse.

I'd say it's good to see you.

Thank you, sir.

My best of all, it's hard to just make the right decision now.

You know, we didn't.

One of the other... We'll keep going.

One way or another, we'll work it out.

We'll get it done.

Everybody gets in there, gets loose.

This is a tri-bar.

I don't mean you get a tree, you get one of each of them.

We've got something new here.

Paper weights.

We've got paper to hold.

There's too much for that to hold, so there's a bigger.

Now, this is the biggest thing, and I always tell this, but I really appreciate it.

Thank you very much.

Do you like tea, coffee, coke?

I've got to have some hot tea.

I've sold my tea.

You better get used to it before you travel.

Yeah, I do.

I'm going to stop and do the white arts in Phoenix.

I didn't even finish this.

Ah, well, I'm standing up.

Down.

Yeah, down.

Let's see.

I have an idea of something we might want to cover there.

And then you, as I understand, you're going to Hawaii?

And then to Guam, Korea.

And down to Singapore, Indonesia.

I'm going to get to Bombay for a refill in Kuwait, Saudi Arabia.

it might be, is that the first public appearance you've had for your exposed presence or anything in this meeting?

Yes, I think so.

Well, the last two questions that we talked about on the plane were raised, you know, in terms of what they, do you recall how they were worded, those two questions?

Yeah.

Are they about five?

Talk to me about it later, and let me see if we can get, if we can, if we can pick up on a paragraph or two that you might want to use in the press conference.

This is on the state of Texas.

The case level will be over when I... What is it?

Oh, I'm sure about that.

Probably today.

Read the last two questions.

It's very interesting.

I'm not sure if you want to participate.

I'll ask the questions later.

First, do you think the press should publish top secret government material once it comes into their hands?

Or should it be withheld until the government decides publication will not harm national security?

Until the government decides.

14% say they should publish it.

76% say it should be withheld.

Really good.

The other one.

I said, do you think freedom of the press includes the freedom of the paper to print stolen top secret government documents or not?

The D.S.

74-0.

You see, the code words for stolen and top secret government documents, that has not gotten across.

At that first point, we didn't get stolen.

We even got it without saying stolen.

Right.

But the thing is, the thing is, you, that, well, the point is, too, that they have said, well, they're secret, but they don't matter.

And that's why some of the other questions are the general consensus.

In general, we look at the people, we're just damn confused.

That's, that's what everybody knows.

I didn't like it at all.

But the point is, the deep, the deep of it, I don't see how to pass it down without getting into the business of the, without getting into the business of the individual publication.

Now you've got three papers you don't have to find.

The global, I guess, is, is, what else, the Kennedy stuff.

But they didn't get out.

That was the most vulnerable thing about Kennedy.

He would shoot a kid out with his hand, and they murdered him again.

What the heck?

Some people are going to find and get out and come hammer high water.

But anyway.

And then I met a teenster yesterday who was all for you.

Oh, Fitzsimmons was on Marriott in Flint.

Well, I was on Flint.

On Flint.

And he was just called.

He was a really great guy.

He was a great fellow.

Yeah.

He said he ended up doing a great script.

Yeah.

Great.

Yeah.

All right.

Well, you know, it's interesting.

Yeah.

Some way, as you bring it up, these people really are no different than them.

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Nobody in the Johnson administration said a word.

Good God, but what do you think?

What do you think of that?

I'm not surprised.

It's despicable.

I'm not surprised.

You see what Muskie did?

Muskie said Johnson should come before the Senate.

Wouldn't that be nice?

Look, today they started calling the former president.

The president is in the Senate.

He's got to come for his actions.

Ten years from now.

I tell you, stand up on that.

But this is a cure.

I mean, I'll see what we can do.

It's just a thought.

I'd like to see when somebody comes up.

And also we've got to see how the cord action comes out and how we can distort it out.

Because I don't want to throw him into this thing and just get his head beaten over by the tires and the rest.

But if he can go in on the popular side, in other words, so that he puts it...

People that do steal top secret things ought to go to jail.

And people that print it should do it.

Wow.

I don't know if there's anything that's happened at St. Mark's here.

Not because they were caught, but because of their paradigmaticity.

Having done it, you know, it's just amazing.

Are we going to get the guy that did it?

Oh, sure.

You know, they're going to do it on the first time.

I'm sure they will.

Oh, sure.

Oh, one guy, it's this Ellsberg.

No question about that.

And second, his former wife is ratting on him, so that's that.

The second point is that Ellsberg's... Now, they're going to try to make him a hero.

Amar, he's a...

It's true that, well, if I should have picked the documents, I have got enough information that people have a right to know.

Why would the media have done such a job in this thing?

Because they're all in bed together.

You see, that's the problem.

They don't want to be ever inhibited.

I'd be glad if the injunctive proceedings were over.

We're going to lose that.

We're going to lose the court today.

And that's it.

I don't think we go on, and I probably should have told you that you ought to see you, but I don't think we should go on Supreme Court on the ground.

Because if you lose before the third, second, third, and it's unanimous, the Supreme Court will only reverse.

But then the thing to do is to move immediately to the criminal prosecution.

So they already have a grand jury in Hawaii, excuse me, jury in Hawaii, in Ellsberg.

unbelievably involved in this, even in a criminal way.

A.J.

used his white house press badge to get the printer to reproduce these things.

And now the Times says that they ought to take a low blow at him.

And Victoria said, well, they'll hear it.

Why do you think that they can release them?

You know what I'm saying?

If there's an extreme amount of contact info and people watch them, we've got to see if we can make the case safe.

Doesn't it frighten you to think that this thing can be as uninfused in the lives of the people as it is now?

You'd think that people would say, oh, come on, those are stolen documents.

They're top secret documents.

But you see what it is.

It's all confused with the war.

People don't like the war.

Also, it's confused with Johnson.

I've had a hell of a lot of this unfair, but Johnson created the image of lying to people about these things.

People said, ah, he lied.

You see what I mean?

If you will, any president has to, frankly not, disclose anything.

I wrote you down before, Paulson.

Johnson did it in spades, and so consequently,

When you have an unpopular war, and people, and a president that has the legs to lie about it, and then documents which prove that point about that unpopular war, and that unpopular president who's unpopular at the moment, at least, that confuses the people's morality.

There must be contingency on that.

Power, of course.

These are the same people who would scream if something happened and he didn't have a plan to go to the temple.

I have a plan.

I ordered my bombing.

There will be a knock for taking out half the money, for taking out the docks.

I mean, for taking out the docks, for taking out the docks, all this kind of stuff.

Plans that would go into effect only if they had a massive escalation.

A massive escalation.

Now, you could have some fifth-league assistant secretary, or a commander who worked in this matter, go out and say, the President really plans to do all that.

He didn't try to do any of it.

It's much different in our time as the President, as the Senate, as the House, as the House.

There's no authentic training for this kind of political appeal.

No matter how much you could.

First of all, they couldn't have done it themselves.

But there's a different thing, an amorality in the Congress today.

Well, an amorality in the Congress.

Not so much in the country, but an amorality.

Take these votes.

You've got them on today.

They're going to have to mark our Republicans.

Now, Mansfield's got another one, which apparently has a good chance to pass.

They are extended heads.

They're playing a numbers game.

Is this the nine-month?

This is the nine-month.

And it's sense of the Senate.

So it's a little different.

So it's a sense of the Senate.

You just want to get a little head of us.

Ain't no damn other man in the war, you know.

And they just want to get a head of us.

But I must say, the amorality that's true of this vicious son of a...

For the same people who were the authors of the policy, turning tail on the policy that's being changed, trying to get so far to the other side, to run around through the back door and get on the other side of the seesaw before you get there.

I don't understand any of those comments.

Look, if any of us were to try this, a Republican, they'd kill.

They'd kill.

They'd never let us be that, as they say, on a principle.

What the hell principle is concrete in this tree?

What principle is it?

Well, even Teddy has got his brothers in the First Troops there.

Huh.

What's his principle?

He comes down to the state.

I think the President of the United States should be exposed.

It's not him.

It's his brother he's calling.

He doesn't care about his brother.

I don't think most people even care about their brothers.

No, I think so.

It's just totally crass.

Yeah.

They're pretty crude.

They're hungry.

They're so hungry.

They're powering you.

Yeah.

You think you speak to Ken, he's the whole bunch.

Yeah.

All of them.

It's a big arena.

Like, they throw each other around in that arena.

What if Jackson stayed on the same team as me?

Yes, Jackson.

I noticed him.

He stood up.

I think so, too.

Well, it depends on everything that happens.

Well, first, we're going to look good in the foreign policy if we don't get an arming agent.

I mean, first of all, one way or the other, the war will be in the shape of the past, and then we're going to be over as far as we're concerned.

Next year, you know that night.

Second, we'll probably have some

The most important thing is you just need to be damn sure this economy nudges off at the right time.

I'm concerned about it.

I'm not, however, as concerned as some due to the fact that timing is everything on an economy.

You can say, well, it's not going as fast as it should.

The important thing is I want to know whether it's going past the second or third quarter of next year, right?

It's everything.

I think the thing that worries me is the interest rates.

Not the interest rates themselves, but because of the lack of confidence in the business community that they cause.

It's all a psychological thing right now.

Matter of fact, so does my partner.

Incidentally, I flew Marlowe Cook down to Kentucky with me last Saturday for this thing.

I said, Marlowe, let me ask you a question.

What the hell are you talking about?

to do with this end of the resolution.

He said, don't be having trouble with these other people with resolutions.

Why don't you go to the president on the foreign policy?

Well, he said, it's not like the old Hedgehog.

You get to him.

I sent my resolution up to McGregor, and I asked him to talk to him about it.

So I called Clark this morning.

He said, he sent his resolution.

He said, we heard him talk about the resolution.

But the point is that these people, even some of our own people,

What did they hope to accomplish by here coming over?

No, it's unbelievable.

I mean, what does it get them?

A headline and a Washington Post from Tray.

That's right.

And look, goddammit, there's plenty of on-the-letters.

I want to take in Johnson.

Huh?

And to kick him?

And Muskie.

And how pretty for a switch, you know.

Jesus Christ.

I think he's the most overrated man I've ever seen in a television show.

He is the kind of over-the-top.

Don't you think so?

He's a...

He isn't considered heavyweight in the center, is he?

No.

Huh?

No.

Yeah.

He's one of God's most famous in the building.

We've got to get something out of the show.

But what is he?

What is he?

I, uh...

I...

We can do something on this.

I have a very good speech tool.

It's one that's been terribly worked on.

The original draft was done on the NSC staff, and I polished it and worked on it a long time.

It doesn't mention anything about this.

It just refutes it by implication, by pointing out what you impaired it.

It just lays it out chapter and verse.

I think that sometimes our people, they forget, they forget that we offer, for example, the S.P.O.

has this resolution, there should be an all-agency spire, but God, we offer that approximately.

I go over everything you've offered in this speech.

Some people say, well, people don't want to hear about the war.

It's not popular.

Well, I mean, they've got to be told something is done.

And run away from it and say, well, go away, why not?

Talk about that.

We'll save this other problem.

We've got something.

We've got it now.

We've reduced the casualties.

We're bringing home the Americans.

And we're saving the South Vietnamese from a communist takeover all at the same time.

And we're going to get our prisoners back, too.

We're insisting on that.

I was really pleased with the prisoners' lives.

When I did the Air Force Academy, I met with a whole group of them, a different color of them.

And they asked me a few questions, and I answered them.

And finally, I said to them, now, I guess my answers probably aren't very satisfactory to you.

And the reason that there aren't any satisfactory answers is that I can tell you things that, after I left this room, when you talk to me on your cell phone, you wouldn't believe me, and it doesn't make you happy.

We have hopes, but they're guarded.

And one thing we've got to understand is that even though those men are extremely important,

We've got to protect the men who are still fighting in Vietnam.

We've got to protect the American position in this country.

We agree with you, but I can hear you say it.

And we're tired of people coming in here and making a lot of rash promises to us.

You know, we've been around.

You can also say very candidly, too, that you...

It's time that at least now, as we get near the end, their hopes can go up for the very fact that it's near the end, and that they have absolute assurance that we're never going to do, we're never going to let them down, and that we're never going to take a communist promise for an action on our part.

The right to promise are just tests.

Those are big trusts because they have a metal arm, actually.

Well, we're going to reduce it there.

I'm glad you're getting Vietnam.

But I think a couple paragraphs on this super document thing might be in there.

You'll always get an airport press conference.

You might throw the airport press conference so it isn't done before the young Republicans.

That'll be the end.

In other words, you can include me.

I would take the airport press conference.

I think if we say anything on this case,

this case, uh, oh, hell, it doesn't make any sense to the young Republicans, too.

That's a big part.

It's a national issue.

Well, I get two days of coverage.

I might as well let this, let this one share.

Yeah, yeah.

Well, on this third day, I guess, sir, I think you're going to have a pretty good, pretty good, uh, opportunity to, uh, to, uh, of course, in Korea, you,

you will probably see a whole lot of UITs there.

As far as other Asian stops that are concerned, so might just Singapore.

Then on to, then you go to Kuwait, good.

Saudi Arabia, good.

And then to the last, oh good, Ethiopia.

Oh yeah, the Ethiopian ambassador, who is now the Department of Commerce.

And he had, he was just in, told us they had arrived, six, they had built a, I don't know if it was, it was a Rosset airside.

And he just said, he said, we were arrived, we had to take residence.

Finally, we were advised to let him practice.

And I said, listen, this will be the biggest event that will happen while you're there.

You know, it was a hell of a thing to go to that place.

To see the old gentleman again, I don't think he lived forever.

When I saw him in 67, I thought he was, I would never see him again.

And I saw him at the Eisenhower General, and I saw him at the, when I turned around, the UN, at the 25th anniversary.

We've asked to go to Nairobi and then over to Kinshasa.

Are you going to stay in Nairobi over in Kenya?

You've been there?

You've been to the other place?

You'll find, you'll find.

I don't know.

I haven't been to any of those countries.

I haven't been to Saudi Arabia or any of those.

But the accurate countries that we've asked to.

And, uh... Yeah, we're gonna... We're gonna have a show for you.

And it's the first... Of course, I'm sorry, sorry.

You had Mahmoud as a strong man.

He's the... Did you see what he did with his students over there?

No, we didn't.

How did he do it?

Well, he did what I say.

After one national university, they had 2,500 students.

And they started a typical student rioting, breaking things up any more than once.

He declared he closed the school and graduated every day and wanted to be in the Army for two years.

Ha!

All 2,500 of them.

Okay.

It's a little country.

Two years in the Army.

He did.

Everyone, the whole school, went to the service.

Then we're going to leave Kinshasa, and we're going out to Spain, and that's where I'll meet Judy and Susan and Kim, who will have that tour in Europe.

And that's the big event that Franco has when he leaves, and then goes to the country this summer.

Now, this is a big social thing.

Yeah.

Great.

And then we go from there.

He particularly warned me, if you will.

You just say that.

I mentioned it.

And of course, with people like me, I'm going to be dealing with the animal, and we'll do, we both, we had our state visits, and we talked about it, and it feels so on and on and so forth and so on.

But if you'll get to, you might go over, and I've got the running of your schedule, put that organization back, the community that's located there, and get something done.

I am going to relax.

All right.

Oh, yes.

As you look, I'm fortunate enough to be alive.

It's a great place to go.

We've had them on and off.

They're close to coming here.

They had to cancel because of Eric's son.

We had to, but this holds out the hand of friendship.

I know that Kate, I know his father, wrote with me through the streets of Roboto.

He was the vice president.

He was the president.

It was probably the last time any of us has seen that we, that is, all our assumptions in the world are quite different.

We've been standing on it the last few years.

And we've, uh, we've, uh, we've, uh, we've, uh, we've, uh, we've, uh,

Well, Marco is a man who is one of Franco's older associates.

He's a great fellow, tough, and much more conservative than Lois Roberts.

And more conservative, Lois Roberts is conservative now, and more conservative than Percy John Prince.

But you'll like him.

You'll like him.

We should talk, and ask you to go.

But Montrose is a very strong friend of ours, and a very personal friend.

Lois Roberts is too, but I'm sure you've emphasized to all of them that I feel a personal

Last night I was in the city of Whistler.

Whistler was there in the summer.

It was white.

White buildings.

I had a work decision for that, I guess.

I didn't know what I was doing.

I came down to 18 to 2.

I guess South African policy in Southwestern Africa.

The other two were great Britain and France.

You can't get into that.

Africa's got enough damn problems without getting into South Africa.

You can't say there'd be a place like South Africa.

But Jesus.

I mean, South Africa has...

I don't think the black problem there is in South Africa.

It's just going to be there.

It's going to be worse in the United States.

Because these are moderated young people.

That's right.

He's basically not Negro either.

He's just black.

Oh, man, this is a good man.

I'll go to a good man.

I will be.

I don't know.

But I look forward to seeing some of those guys.

You'll have a great time.

That kind of thing, too, is tremendously, tremendously educational.

There are countries that people who go to usually have, and that you haven't been to, and you just go and move, and you get to go down.

And I never really remembered why.

But you know, you can do a lot more.

It's not a little more time in each place than you should.

And the view of these people and countries, it's just incredible.

And once you've got the evidence,

I think it's great.

And they love it.

They love it.

You know?

They know very well, for example, I can't fucking go back.

I've got a total lock on this thing.

This is the best thing we could do.

I'm going to go back to the vice president.

He was the one.

I have to mention, on that Vietnam thing, you were, we had sort of held that in advance because you had a contingency.

Oh, yeah.

Yes, yes, yes, yes.

This might happen right now.

What was your date?

Let's see.

It would be Korea, maybe about July 4th or something like that.

Did you drop it?

I want to ask you one question.

I just talked to the Vice President.

Well, I'm going out in Korea to see our troops.

It's marvelous.

This is a dreadful thing, Mr. President.

I think that's a wonderful thing that we're in a situation now.

It's not the one.

But you have to get the word out that

Of course.

I talked to the doctors today.

the AMA, and I said, I enlisted them.

You've got to educate people.

These are dangerous.

But, you know, these people are different.

I'll take drugs, and let me say, now you're the challenge of society.

Why did you have me a little tougher with?

Absolutely, because, you know, you can't, they come back here, and you can't, they can't do wars.

There's some personal responsibility not to destroy yourself.

I thought it was really good.

I don't know, were you in the chat?

He said, they said, well, what about our follow-up?

It takes drugs for the purpose of avoiding getting into the service.

And he says, shoot yourself in the foot.

That was good.

That was a great answer.

That was the best answer of the day.

One of the things you're saying is, we can't let these kids, they're bored.

They're all so bored.

When the war ended in Europe, we were sitting in Marseille for about three months waiting to come home.

And that's a hotbed of our cops.

We were bored too, but we were 10 grand and nobody was shooting at us.

Isn't that something that, don't blame the kids.

Life is so hard for them.

That's a good point.

It's so hard.

That's what you hear, though, is find some reason to excuse all the antisocial conduct and drugs and promiscuity and old business.

Blame it on society.

Society can't stand that kind of work.

He knows he loves politics.

He just eats it and sleeps it.

I believe his brother is good, too.

He works

Those things really take more of your time.

He's going to be on that part of the world on 4 July.

And if you want to discuss whether or not it might be useful to have him sort of pop in there or whether that would be considered to be a

to have an attempt to prop up puke for the elections and so forth and so on.

Now let's think it out.

Let me tell you something that Henry's going to be taking a trip abroad.

He's going to go to Vietnam for maybe a ticket to Vietnamization and so forth and so on.

Probably you'll be there.

You will be.

Now, would it be useful for the Vice President to go to Vietnam?

I mean, basically, mainly, mainly really just to, like, afford the proper troops or something like that.

I was thinking it would work.

It would be strange for me to camp out in the United States, in Saigon, in a state church.

I'm just wondering the deal with the fact that we're not going to go forward on midway, whether that would be useful or not.

Or do you want to defer and say no?

Or you should be sleeping Friday.

Can I let you know tomorrow?

I'll think about it.

All right.

He's sleeping Friday.

It's not like it would force you, Bunker, up to camera and say they can't let the Vice President be on.

Yeah, that's right.

They did come.

And this is the day of the reception.

But it would force you and Bunker to come up to him.

That I think is, as long as you don't think it would be a bad thing for me not to stop.

I'll tell you what, in view of the fact that he's going to be there, totally, and I'll apologize saying whether or not he's there, I don't think that it would be considered in view that you should stop him before you have him.

And we are touching base with him anyway, you see.

We're touching base.

I don't think so, no way.

He's gonna run.

And men is gonna run.

And men is gonna pull out.

You think that's impolite?

I talk to people about these things because men won't want to be deceived.

If that's true, it's actually better for us to have tea in their heads.

So that you have a candidate.

Jew is now presently far ahead.

When?

I've seen, we've seen polls which have been taken.

We won't tell you that.

We're not embarrassing, you know.

He's way ahead.

The Vice President was talking about this New York Times, and just take a moment to tell Henry how you feel about the amorality, basically, of his, the part that he's making is the amorality of those, you know, the documents, the attitude of the newspapers on it.

for those, the attitude of the, the attitude of our democratic friends who are all on the other side and are running around as we get on the other side of the aisle.

I'm looking at the head of us in terms of the war and the attitude of some of those true republicans.

Let's take a moment and tell them how you feel.

I feel this way.

First of all, that laying aside the constitutional and legal questions, which of course we've got to determine this, but we have to understand, like,

What's happened?

Here are senior documents and classified documents.

Here are seniors for declassified.

Notwithstanding that, with faith, instead of these documents, we don't know how much encouragement was given to the Senate government.

Notwithstanding that, here are these papers.

We've been acting as common fences.

They're fences.

They're receiving stolen goods and marketing it.

in violation of the law.

And then, like justice, when there's an injunction in one court, they don't apply it then.

They don't do it anyway.

Well, you've got to remember, what has been told is that they're commercial ventures, and they are marketing this stolen information for their profit.

Just look at how good that is to say.

Just look at how good that is to be doing, receiving a stolen bracelet or

I was talking about the amorality of people on the Congress who would rather sacrifice their integrity than to give up what they hope will be the support of these powerful media outlets.

They can do anything that they want, because they just aren't going to give up that support because of their own political argument.

That's the thing.

You said Ross don't get a good speech, but the U.S. doesn't get a thing.

The U.S. doesn't get a thing.

Where do you make it?

He's very good at some good things about the administration and what it's trying to be.

Well, if there's Johnson's place in history, if anybody wants to think about it, it's in our hands, and I'll get us.

Well, I'd go, you know, I must have talked to 15 sentences.

Yeah.

And I said...

You know I have a lot that you understand, but you wouldn't really explain to me.

What are you trying to accomplish by having such a resolution to that?

Are you talking to us?

Are you talking to Manoj?

Do you believe the President needs instruction about the desirability of ending the war?

Do you really believe that?

I said, if you don't think he does, then Manoj will be impressed.

But the important thing is,

When none of them defended them on the marriage, they said, we're tired, we're bloodied, we can't do anything.

That's it, we've got to give our revolution, give us something, they said.

But we can't give them what they want.

They wanted that line, we can't give them that.

It destroys the negotiation.

Well, that's enough.

The difficulty of this is clear enough.

First of all, it isn't going to get into the sense of the Senate thing.

It's a...

It's a human thing, but a man thing.

It's still a job.

Yeah.

A black man's the only thing that's a sense of the Senate.

That's the wonderful... What are your prospects now?

Is it going to pass or not pass or what?

Very close.

Probably pass.

Just the latest, you think it's more likely to pass now?

I was telling the president I'd find one more other crook and take him down to Kentucky Saturday, but they've come back to me over there.

And his excuse was, nobody will listen to me up there.

Oh, they were in the White House.

He says, I sent, he says, I sent my amendment down.

They also said that Messiah, during the Mansfield thing, said, you won't communicate with us, and I would have supported you.

Since the Mansfield thing, I've invited you to lunch three times.

That is not another excuse not to go.

They don't want us to do this.

They will, because we are serious.

Henry, tell them.

There's going to be a, when does he come up?

Seventy-four.

He could be, should be, I believe.

We're working on him.

You believe?

He is going to help.

He's a good person.

He's a senior.

Well, he's more attractive.

The point I was going to say is that otherwise, I think, despite all these moments and so forth and so on, by 72, a hell of a lot of people are going to look back that didn't support us when this whole record comes out.

You know, if we wanted to go to the very points now, we could destroy the people who are doing this to you.

That's just it.

Do you know, Mr. Vice President, that Clinton had nothing when he made that statement?

We thought he had lovely information, but now it turns out he had nothing.

He was doing it from the public domain.

He said, well, I've been reading various reports, and this is my belief that this is what happened.

He said, this is my interpretation.

We are interpreting it differently.

There he had nothing.

He says, on my knowledge, this was untoward.

their view about this thing.

They want to vote for something because they know very well that we're going to end it.

And they want to try to get in and take credit, some of them.

Now, what they are doing with this, this diabolical, this person, they are, and quite literally some of the Democrats are trying to, are, they're not destroying, but they're potentially

greatly impairing our negotiating position.

But second, beyond that, assuming that the negotiating doesn't work, and it pays to work, but assuming that it doesn't work, we are the man.

And then they want to say, well, we were out front.

We forced the damage.

It's not really the argument that's true.

That's the strategy.

They will not get away with this, in my view.

We can prove by the time in certain moves that we were ahead of them.

Well, there's a question that really distresses me under the license of the New York Times and the courts.

What qualifies the courts to judge whether a matter affects them?

How can the judge, who has no knowledge of these procedures, of the total amount of foreign policy, how can he decide that, oh, this is...

The British, as I worked out with them yesterday, have not made a formal diplomatic protest here.

They, Cromwell is calling on Rogers today and saying his match at this government must point out that they trust that a confidential relationship will be maintained and that it will severely affect our relationships if they can't have that assurance.

I mean, what, in whose favor do they think they're... No, they want to make that a general assurance.

Oh, yeah?

And will they do that properly, do they?

Yeah.

And...

The state can announce that tomorrow.

Well, I hope the state will.

Sure.

But, you see, that is, what they're doing now is, they're taking anything that gets top secret papers to the newspapers, and that forces the government into litigation before the judge will determine whether they accept the national truth.

That's the judge.

How does the judge know as well as the person in the United States?

That's the problem.

The judge, he doesn't know his ass from first base.

And you have heard mine as a jerk.

No, you think I don't?

You heard mine from years back.

He appointed because he's one of Nelson's liberal buddies.

But he used to work for Dewey.

But he's basically part of the New York Times, left-wing establishment out there, you know.

Left-wing Republican.

You have to be serious.

He's not thrilled with us.

We appointed this law, unfortunately.

But we had no choice.

I asked him, why did you appoint this law?

about what Nelson and Chavez came up with.

Come on.

You say, sir.

Well, I was interested.

My interest was Chavez and McGregor searching, because you were in there.

He had cornered you.

That's what it's worth to me.

So I took his report, and he started knocking something about treatment of the press, and I jumped all over it.

And I said, I...

I said, you know, if the right-wingers had this information about these documents, I could understand it.

But you, you're a liberal.

You're supposed to protect human rights.

And here people are being tried and whose papers and papers are partial documents.

Well, it was true immediately.

They're not so sure of themselves.

Pretty sure.

Oh, yes.

I'm very sure that nobody wants to step up and defend Johnson.

Not our job, too.

You know?

Where are his friends?

Where are they?

None of them speak up.

Actually, did we please?

We came out pretty well.

Okay, let's let the other one go.

But let me say...

There might be another possibility, though, that you're going to have a day there, and let's just say you're not going to do it, but if something comes up and we want to, we'll look at it.

Because Henry was not allowed to use it in Korea.

I say, you see, when you get there, you might feel pretty strong like that.

It would be a good idea for a little pop.

We can always interview him.

And the vets can change their mind.

And the president might not say no, but let's figure it out.

It's a possibility.

Thank you for your question.

All right.

Good to see you again.

Well, let's see.

What will the prop see before you go?

Something.

What's the time?

Something that we're meeting.

Is there going to be a meeting tomorrow at church?

No.

No, not this week.

We didn't have time for it.

All right.

Okay.

Did you want me to sit in?

I have no interest under any other of the management directors.

It's just about my...

It's just my departure.

Well, you can think about it.

What do you think?

I don't know.

I don't know really how much to tell him.

That's my concern.

People say, well, I don't know what I'm doing.

I can't tell you what's up.

We both have, of course.

I said, I do not shoot blacks.

I don't think it's going to look that good.

I mean, I think he's...

Well, I scared the pants off some of these Republicans.

I think I may have made a mistake not talking to one of them.

Jack Miller was crying around, and I said, I don't want to hear any of your recitements of this amendment.

We don't want any amendments.

If after November 1st, you can have any amendments you want, but for the next six months, you've got to have peace and quiet out of the Republicans.

Except she's grown to come back down to all of us.

We have told them that, you know.

You certainly told them that the leaders we have, with this crime, may be scarred as a leader.

You can't tell us that it's true.

Well, we can beat it in the house, if it's just that.

Oh, the water is down.

But the house will be against it.

Well, good luck.

You're a businessman.

Let me, let me, I'll just, listen to this.

I may, I may wait until 10 and believe it, but I am going to, I'm going to let the historical record show what they always have to do.

I will, uh, I just think it's wrong what he's done here.

And, uh, see you in a minute.

I think you should know this.

I think you have probably very seriously damaged the negotiating process.

I said, I hope not.

I hope it hasn't been destroyed.

If it does, we will have to publish the record.

I'm just going to say that.

Right.

Well, we made our offer and made good, because there's nothing in any of these resolutions that we haven't offered.

Yeah.

You know, Mike.

Mike, for example, had an old endo-china steep spire.

Now, what the hell, we offered that October.

Didn't we?

October, yeah.

You know, I...