{"conversationCode":"528-008","tapeNumber":528,"conversationNumber":8,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-528-008","startDateTime":"1971-06-24T14:45:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1971-06-24T14:47:00.000Z","startDate":"24-Jun-1971","startTime":"10:45 AM","endDate":"24-Jun-1971","endTime":"10:47 AM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Byrnes, John W.;","description":"On June 24, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon and John W. Byrnes met in the Oval Office of the White House from 10:45 am to 10:47 am. 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(President)","Byrnes, John W."],"prevCode":"528-007","nextCode":"528-009","transcript":[{"start":10.53,"end":13.91,"text":"Hello?"},{"start":13.93,"end":14.71,"text":"Hi, Johnny."},{"start":14.73,"end":30.11,"text":"I thought I'd see you Monday, I guess, or Tuesday, but, uh, yeah, but, uh, before you, uh, do what I did, but what if you know that I, uh, am most grateful for the way that you and your, uh, your sidekick Mills came through on that deal, if that was really something?"},{"start":30.13,"end":33.59,"text":"Getting 40, getting 43 votes from a draft, that really surprised me."},{"start":33.61,"end":35.35,"text":"I didn't think, I didn't know the key vote, I just didn't think..."},{"start":40.63,"end":44.42,"text":"I'm just going to remember who voted for Washington."},{"start":45.08,"end":54.75,"text":"The only thing, of course, that disturbs me, Johnny, is that you don't want to hear so many of our friends say that we give away and that sort of thing."},{"start":54.77,"end":57.79,"text":"And when they say that about you and me, good God, it really burns through me."},{"start":58.69,"end":59.63,"text":"We're trying our best."},{"start":60.07,"end":61.69,"text":"Mills said an interesting thing to me."},{"start":61.71,"end":66.66,"text":"He said, you know, when you heard this guaranteeing annual wages, and he says, you've got to"},{"start":66.87,"end":70.48,"text":"At the present time, we have a guaranteed annual income for people for doing nothing."},{"start":70.94,"end":73.96,"text":"What we're having, this is a guaranteed income for people that do something."},{"start":74.58,"end":80.53,"text":"And nothing, and nothing for, and nothing for anybody that does nothing."},{"start":86.22,"end":89,"text":"That's a good point, isn't it?"},{"start":89.02,"end":89.25,"text":"Yeah, yeah."},{"start":89.27,"end":89.39,"text":"Right?"},{"start":89.41,"end":89.5,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":91.16,"end":94.04,"text":"Well, I've said over and over that it is not a guaranteed income."},{"start":94.06,"end":95.72,"text":"And I think we've got to continue to say that."},{"start":95.74,"end":100.34,"text":"I said it is not a guaranteed income provided that a man gets paid whether he works or not."},{"start":100.36,"end":106.35,"text":"This provides that the man can work and refuses to work that he doesn't get paid."},{"start":106.37,"end":113.64,"text":"So it's not a guaranteed income."},{"start":113.66,"end":114.2,"text":"That's right."},{"start":114.32,"end":114.78,"text":"That's all."},{"start":116.8,"end":118.36,"text":"Nobody wants to sit in this can."},{"start":118.78,"end":120.06,"text":"Well, anyway, good job."},{"start":120.08,"end":124.91,"text":"I'm going to work on, of course, our good friend Russell now."},{"start":125.7,"end":126.94,"text":"You come around the end."},{"start":127.28,"end":130.63,"text":"You may put too much on, but that's up to you guys to cut it off the conference."},{"start":131.81,"end":132.77,"text":"Okay, Scotty."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon met with Representative John W. Byrnes to express appreciation for the legislative support provided by Byrnes and Wilbur Mills regarding a recent bill. The conversation centered on justifying the administration's welfare reform proposals, with both men emphasizing that the legislation should be framed as a work incentive rather than a guaranteed annual income for the unemployed. Nixon concluded by confirming his intent to lobby Senator Richard Russell to secure further support for the administration's agenda.","topics":["Welfare Reform","Legislative Strategy","Wilbur Mills","Guaranteed Annual Income","Congressional Relations"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T23:03:08.993Z"},"topicSlugs":["welfare-reform","legislative-strategy","wilbur-mills","guaranteed-annual-income","congressional-relations"],"audioDurationSec":135,"audioFiles":[{"file":"528-008.mp3","bytes":5389375,"durationSec":134.6,"bitrate":320326,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:49.685Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/528-008.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/528-008","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/528/conversation-528-008","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}