{"conversationCode":"531-002","tapeNumber":531,"conversationNumber":2,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-531-002","startDateTime":"1971-06-28T20:32:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1971-06-28T20:35:00.000Z","startDate":"28-Jun-1971","startTime":"4:32 PM","endDate":"28-Jun-1971","endTime":"4:35 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Houttakker, Henrik S.; McCracken, Paul W.; White House photographer; Bull, Stephen B.;","description":"On June 28, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon, Henrik S. Houttakker, Paul W. McCracken, White House photographer, and Stephen B. Bull met in the Oval Office of the White House from 4:32 pm to 4:35 pm. 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Dart\nBull left at 4:35 pm.","filename":["531-002.mp3"],"tapeStart":"00:02:54","tapeEnd":"00:06:00","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Houttakker, Henrik S.","McCracken, Paul W.","White House photographer","Bull, Stephen B.","Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Houttakker, Henrik S.","McCracken, Paul W.","White House photographer","Bull, Stephen B."],"prevCode":"531-001","nextCode":"531-003","transcript":[{"start":5.11,"end":24.4,"text":"We're just going to lose you, huh?"},{"start":24.42,"end":25.35,"text":"In fact, we're going to have to hire you, huh?"},{"start":25.37,"end":25.95,"text":"Well, you'll know our number."},{"start":25.97,"end":26.43,"text":"You'll know our number."},{"start":26.45,"end":27.17,"text":"Well, I really appreciate your work."},{"start":38.1,"end":61.92,"text":"to do that and all this to come out right."},{"start":61.94,"end":62.18,"text":"Get it back."},{"start":62.2,"end":62.54,"text":"Get it back open."},{"start":62.56,"end":62.88,"text":"Oh, you're good."},{"start":62.9,"end":63.14,"text":"There, good."},{"start":63.16,"end":65.17,"text":"You can see some of that in the camera, right?"},{"start":65.19,"end":65.85,"text":"You can see the whole blue stuff."},{"start":65.87,"end":66.39,"text":"Oh, you got the other one."},{"start":71.31,"end":90.31,"text":"I want you to know you're all welcome here and we appreciate you being part of our special group of people that come in to help."},{"start":90.33,"end":95.22,"text":"We need all the praise you can get."},{"start":95.24,"end":95.7,"text":"We need all the praise."},{"start":95.72,"end":96.02,"text":"All the praise."},{"start":96.04,"end":96.38,"text":"Tell me about it."},{"start":96.4,"end":96.54,"text":"Advice."},{"start":96.56,"end":97.2,"text":"In 2008, you did a great thing."},{"start":97.56,"end":97.64,"text":"Yes."},{"start":97.94,"end":102.31,"text":"It's going to work out."},{"start":102.33,"end":108.27,"text":"It's going to work out."},{"start":110.66,"end":111.4,"text":"It's going to work out."},{"start":111.42,"end":112.38,"text":"Some of the people here."},{"start":112.4,"end":116.65,"text":"Well, we've got you prepared."},{"start":116.67,"end":119.33,"text":"I've got some confidence for you."},{"start":119.35,"end":119.77,"text":"Oh, thanks very much."},{"start":119.93,"end":120.27,"text":"Hold on a minute."},{"start":120.29,"end":120.69,"text":"I've got to go back."},{"start":120.71,"end":121.11,"text":"I've got to go back."},{"start":121.46,"end":140.61,"text":"That's right."},{"start":140.63,"end":140.89,"text":"That's right."},{"start":140.91,"end":141.71,"text":"And, uh, we just wish you the very best."},{"start":141.73,"end":142.05,"text":"Well, thank you."},{"start":142.07,"end":142.47,"text":"Thank you very much."},{"start":142.5,"end":144.88,"text":"The dean of the medical schools."},{"start":144.9,"end":145.16,"text":"That's right."},{"start":145.75,"end":161.7,"text":"Oh, I'm sure it's for the school plans."},{"start":161.72,"end":163,"text":"Good evening."},{"start":163.02,"end":163.36,"text":"We appreciate it."},{"start":163.38,"end":165.07,"text":"We consider you as a member of our family."},{"start":165.09,"end":165.55,"text":"Wish you the very best."},{"start":165.57,"end":166.23,"text":"I don't think anyone should work."},{"start":166.25,"end":166.49,"text":"We couldn't."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon met with departing economic advisor Henrik S. Houthakker and Council of Economic Advisers Chairman Paul W. McCracken to express appreciation for Houthakker’s service. The meeting primarily served as a farewell, featuring a photograph session and the presentation of gifts. The President concluded the brief engagement by acknowledging Houthakker's contributions to the administration's economic efforts.","topics":["Henrik S. Houthakker","Paul W. 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