Nixon White House Tapes › Tape 531 › Conversation 531-005

Nixon, Rosow & Hodgson on Personnel changes and Employment policy

Monday, June 28, 1971 · 4:41 PM–4:44 PM ET · Oval Office · 3 min

ParticipantsNixon, Richard M. (President); Rosow, Jerome M.; Hodgson, James D.; Ehrlichman, John D.; Shultz, George P.; Bull, Stephen B.; White House photographerConversation531-005 on Tape 531 (tape position 00:12:03–00:14:40)StartMonday, June 28, 1971 at 4:41 PMEndMonday, June 28, 1971 at 4:44 PMRecording deviceOval OfficeSourceNixon Library record for 531-005 ↗

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President Nixon met with Jerome Rosow, James Hodgson, John Ehrlichman, and George Shultz to discuss Rosow's departure and future professional plans. The meeting included the presentation of gifts to Rosow and a brief photograph session with the White House photographer. The participants also touched upon broader administration goals regarding the environment and increasing employment figures.

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All right, well, I'm sorry to see you didn't believe us, but we're standard of nature.
I hope so.
I hope so.
Thank you.
Thank you.
If we can pull it all the way up.
If the economy goes up, we get it ready.
It went off what it already is.
Can we get one more group picture of the Secretary of State?
I think it was the Bronx office that kept us out of the morning program for the last few years.
Anybody else around?
Oh, yeah.
We didn't say it was the Bronx office.
There's your dog.
Also, here's...
It's very small.
She has to indicate the paper's too much for that.
That's right.
Everything in one sheet.
That's what they say.
Well, we bury the papers in that.
Well, you'll be able to look at the art.
Sure.
It is unbelievable.
Unbelievable.
But don't live in the city where you probably live.
Of course, that's terrible, too.
Not Westchester, but right in.
I'll miss you.
I hope I'll look for you again sometime.
We'll look after you.
We'll use your help.
Tell us so that we're not worried too much about the environment, just to have increased employment.
Very good.
Tell us a little more.
Thank you.

NARA Description

On June 28, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon, Jerome M. Rosow, James D. Hodgson, John D. Ehrlichman, George P. Shultz, Stephen B. Bull, and White House photographer met in the Oval Office of the White House from 4:41 pm to 4:44 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 531-005 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid

Conversation No. 531-5

Date: June 28, 1971
Time: 4:41 pm - 4:44 pm
Location: Oval Office

The President met with Jerome M. Rosow, James D. Hodgson, John D. Ehrlichman, George P.
Shultz and Stephen B. Bull; the White House photographer was present at the beginning of the
meeting.

     Rosow
         -Future plans

     Arrangements for photograph

     Rosow

          -Accomplishments
     Presentation of gifts by President

     New York City
         -Commuting

     Russell Train
          -Environment
          -Employment

Rosow, et al., left at 4:44 pm.

Also recorded on June 28, 1971

  • 531-002 4:32 PM · 3 min — President Richard M. Nixon, Henrik S. Houttakker, Paul W. McCracken, White House photographer, and Stephen B. Bull met in the Oval Office of the White House from 4:32 pm to 4:35 pm.
  • 531-003 4:35 PM · 3 min — President Richard M. Nixon, Jane Dart, John D. Ehrlichman, and White House photographer met in the Oval Office of the White House from 4:35 pm to 4:39 pm.
  • 531-004 4:39 PM · 3 min — President Richard M. Nixon, Barbara ("Bobbie") (Greene) Kilberg, John D. Ehrlichman, and White House photographer met in the Oval Office of the White House from 4:39 pm to 4:41 pm.
  • 531-006 4:44 PM · 7 sec — President Richard M. Nixon and Stephen B. Bull met in the Oval Office of the White House at 4:44 pm.
  • 531-007 4:44 PM · 2 min — President Richard M. Nixon, Stephen B. Bull, C. Fred Bergsten, Alexander M. Haig, Jr., and White House photographer met in the Oval Office of the White House from 4:44 pm to 4:47 pm.
  • 531-008 4:47 PM · 2 min — President Richard M. Nixon, T. Warren Parker, Charles W. Colson, and White House photographer met in the Oval Office of the White House from 4:47 pm to 4:49 pm.
  • 531-009 4:49 PM · 3 min — President Richard M. Nixon, William E. Casselman, II, White House photographer, and William E. Timmons met in the Oval Office of the White House from 4:49 pm to 4:52 pm.
  • 531-010 4:52 PM · 2 min — President Richard M. Nixon, William E. Kriegsman, Stephen B. Bull, John C. Whitaker, and White House photographer met in the Oval Office of the White House from 4:52 pm to 4:54 pm.

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Conversation 531-005, June 28, 1971. White House Tapes, Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, National Archives. Audio and AI transcript via Easy Nixon, https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/531-005 (accessed October 5, 2026).