{"conversationCode":"531-005","tapeNumber":531,"conversationNumber":5,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-531-005","startDateTime":"1971-06-28T20:41:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1971-06-28T20:44:00.000Z","startDate":"28-Jun-1971","startTime":"4:41 PM","endDate":"28-Jun-1971","endTime":"4:44 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Rosow, Jerome M.; Hodgson, James D.; Ehrlichman, John D.; Shultz, George P.; Bull, Stephen B.; White House photographer;","description":"On June 28, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon, Jerome M. Rosow, James D. Hodgson, John D. Ehrlichman, George P. Shultz, Stephen B. Bull, and White House photographer met in the Oval Office of the White House from 4:41 pm to 4:44 pm. 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Bull; the White House photographer was present at the beginning of the\nmeeting.\n\n     Rosow\n         -Future plans\n\n     Arrangements for photograph\n\n     Rosow\n\n          -Accomplishments\n     Presentation of gifts by President\n\n     New York City\n         -Commuting\n\n     Russell Train\n          -Environment\n          -Employment\n\nRosow, et al., left at 4:44 pm.","filename":["531-005.mp3"],"tapeStart":"00:12:03","tapeEnd":"00:14:40","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. 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