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Conversation 531-009

TapeTape 531StartMonday, June 28, 1971 at 4:49 PMEndMonday, June 28, 1971 at 4:52 PMTape start time00:19:34Tape end time00:22:33ParticipantsNixon, Richard M. (President);  Casselman, William E., II;  White House photographer;  Timmons, William E.Recording deviceOval Office
AI Summary

President Nixon met with William E. Casselman II and William E. Timmons to discuss Casselman’s transition into a role at the General Services Administration (GSA). The President also consulted with Timmons regarding recent legislative strategy, specifically focusing on a Vietnam-related vote and anticipated outcomes in a House-Senate conference committee. The discussion highlighted the administration's ongoing efforts to influence congressional leadership and committee members on key policy matters.

General Services AdministrationVietnam War policyCongressional relationsLegislative strategyCarl Albert
AudioNARA Description

On June 28, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon, William E. Casselman, II, White House photographer, and William E. Timmons met in the Oval Office of the White House from 4:49 pm to 4:52 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 531-009 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid
Conversation No. 531-9

Time: 4:49 pm - 4:52 pm
Location: Oval Office

The President met with William E. Casselman II and William E. Timmons; the White House
photographer was present at the beginning of the meeting.

     Casselman's plans
          -General Services Administration [GSA]

     Arrangements for photograph

     GSA
           -Robert L. Kunzig

     Presentation of gifts by President
          -Casselman's wife

     Casselman's background
          -Timmons
          -John W. Dean, III

     President's meeting with Carl B. Albert, June 28
           -Vietnam vote
                 -Gerald R. Ford
           -Albert's health

     Conference Committee meeting
          -F. Edward Hébert
          -Leslie C. Arends
          -John C. Stennis
          -Margaret Chase Smith
          -Possible outcome
          -Administration tactics

Casselman and Timmons left at 4:52 pm.
Transcript (AI-Generated)

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That's a very important job and it's a very important agency if you're working for the public.
Very good.
You're balling.
No, sir.
Well, I have to go.
He's a good man.
He's a good man.
He's a good man.
He's a good man.
He's a good man.
here in the staff, when we have a policy, put it on the agency, and Darryl House is a spot.
He survived another vote, you know, with Albert, and he told me the right to remove this.
He tried that.
I said, well, Carl, I said, I don't know.
I told him I was very strong.
He made a speech.
It was unusual for him.
First time crowd.
What about that time?
He did say, what did he do?
It was termination.
Yeah, I said it was wrong, and he lost the term.
Well, he told me that.
I said, sure, so he could listen.
But on the other hand, he thought we were going to lose the vote.
He said he talked to Jerry.
He said, no, no.
What's his, uh, is he in a tendency to eat?
He loves meat, doesn't he?
Well, he's weak.
You know, he's a weak, weak man, I think.
Yeah, of course, he's sick with what he can't eat.
He had a flu.
Or something.
Uh, there are others now on that bill, really.
Right.
Who's right?
and Margaret, we've got a big conference, but they've got to take something back to the floor, they say.
And so, I'll put in a wish, that's all.
Write a wish, but get that word of policy out there, and we've got something drafted with that, I guess it's a reiterator on it, and we think they'll find that, whether it be about a study or about a weather coach, yeah.
You've got these coops that are going to pull the buster down fairly when the comments report for the exploration.
Good luck with that.
Have a fine job.
Thank you.
Great job.
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