{"conversationCode":"531-009","tapeNumber":531,"conversationNumber":9,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-531-009","startDateTime":"1971-06-28T20:49:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1971-06-28T20:52:00.000Z","startDate":"28-Jun-1971","startTime":"4:49 PM","endDate":"28-Jun-1971","endTime":"4:52 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Casselman, William E., II; White House photographer; Timmons, William E.;","description":"On June 28, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon, William E. Casselman, II, White House photographer, and William E. Timmons met in the Oval Office of the White House from 4:49 pm to 4:52 pm. 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Dean, III\n\n     President's meeting with Carl B. Albert, June 28\n           -Vietnam vote\n                 -Gerald R. Ford\n           -Albert's health\n\n     Conference Committee meeting\n          -F. Edward Hébert\n          -Leslie C. Arends\n          -John C. Stennis\n          -Margaret Chase Smith\n          -Possible outcome\n          -Administration tactics\n\nCasselman and Timmons left at 4:52 pm.","filename":["531-009.mp3"],"tapeStart":"00:19:34","tapeEnd":"00:22:33","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Casselman, William E., II","White House photographer","Timmons, William E."],"prevCode":"531-008","nextCode":"531-010","transcript":[{"start":6.48,"end":31.05,"text":"That's a very important job and it's a very important agency if you're working for the public."},{"start":37.24,"end":51.4,"text":"Very good."},{"start":56.13,"end":57.99,"text":"You're balling."},{"start":58.01,"end":58.17,"text":"No, sir."},{"start":58.2,"end":58.58,"text":"Well, I have to go."},{"start":58.59,"end":58.92,"text":"He's a good man."},{"start":58.94,"end":59.26,"text":"He's a good man."},{"start":59.28,"end":59.6,"text":"He's a good man."},{"start":59.62,"end":59.94,"text":"He's a good man."},{"start":59.96,"end":60.28,"text":"He's a good man."},{"start":63.45,"end":73.1,"text":"here in the staff, when we have a policy, put it on the agency, and Darryl House is a spot."},{"start":73.64,"end":78.77,"text":"He survived another vote, you know, with Albert, and he told me the right to remove this."},{"start":79.5,"end":82.08,"text":"He tried that."},{"start":86.1,"end":95.51,"text":"I said, well, Carl, I said, I don't know."},{"start":95.53,"end":96.11,"text":"I told him I was very strong."},{"start":96.13,"end":96.47,"text":"He made a speech."},{"start":96.49,"end":96.97,"text":"It was unusual for him."},{"start":96.99,"end":97.47,"text":"First time crowd."},{"start":98.45,"end":100,"text":"What about that time?"},{"start":100.02,"end":100.66,"text":"He did say, what did he do?"},{"start":100.68,"end":101.06,"text":"It was termination."},{"start":101.08,"end":102.72,"text":"Yeah, I said it was wrong, and he lost the term."},{"start":102.74,"end":103.18,"text":"Well, he told me that."},{"start":103.2,"end":104.72,"text":"I said, sure, so he could listen."},{"start":104.74,"end":107.02,"text":"But on the other hand, he thought we were going to lose the vote."},{"start":107.04,"end":107.6,"text":"He said he talked to Jerry."},{"start":107.62,"end":108.2,"text":"He said, no, no."},{"start":109.33,"end":118.93,"text":"What's his, uh, is he in a tendency to eat?"},{"start":118.95,"end":119.47,"text":"He loves meat, doesn't he?"},{"start":119.49,"end":119.81,"text":"Well, he's weak."},{"start":119.83,"end":123.86,"text":"You know, he's a weak, weak man, I think."},{"start":123.88,"end":125.14,"text":"Yeah, of course, he's sick with what he can't eat."},{"start":125.16,"end":125.42,"text":"He had a flu."},{"start":125.44,"end":125.7,"text":"Or something."},{"start":125.72,"end":127.26,"text":"Uh, there are others now on that bill, really."},{"start":127.28,"end":127.42,"text":"Right."},{"start":127.44,"end":127.84,"text":"Who's right?"},{"start":131.42,"end":151.84,"text":"and Margaret, we've got a big conference, but they've got to take something back to the floor, they say."},{"start":151.86,"end":152.64,"text":"And so, I'll put in a wish, that's all."},{"start":152.66,"end":157.43,"text":"Write a wish, but get that word of policy out there, and we've got something drafted with that, I guess it's a reiterator on it, and we think they'll find that, whether it be about a study or about a weather coach, yeah."},{"start":158.54,"end":166.89,"text":"You've got these coops that are going to pull the buster down fairly when the comments report for the exploration."},{"start":166.91,"end":167.31,"text":"Good luck with that."},{"start":167.33,"end":167.65,"text":"Have a fine job."},{"start":167.67,"end":167.87,"text":"Thank you."},{"start":167.89,"end":168.09,"text":"Great job."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon met with William E. Casselman II and William E. Timmons to discuss Casselman’s transition into a role at the General Services Administration (GSA). The President also consulted with Timmons regarding recent legislative strategy, specifically focusing on a Vietnam-related vote and anticipated outcomes in a House-Senate conference committee. The discussion highlighted the administration's ongoing efforts to influence congressional leadership and committee members on key policy matters.","topics":["General Services Administration","Vietnam War policy","Congressional relations","Legislative strategy","Carl Albert"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T23:08:48.763Z"},"topicSlugs":["general-services-administration","vietnam-war-policy","congressional-relations","legislative-strategy","carl-albert"],"audioDurationSec":174,"audioFiles":[{"file":"531-009.mp3","bytes":6957767,"durationSec":173.81,"bitrate":320253,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:51.011Z","findingAidSource":"nixonlibrary.gov subject log (2024-05), reslice-v2","findingAidUpdatedAt":"2026-09-18T08:43:56.547Z","transcriptGapSeconds":45,"transcriptGapShare":0.26,"transcriptQuality":"incomplete","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/531-009.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/531-009","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/531/conversation-531-009","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). 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