{"conversationCode":"531-023","tapeNumber":531,"conversationNumber":23,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-531-023","startDateTime":"1971-06-28T22:47:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1971-06-28T22:50:00.000Z","startDate":"28-Jun-1971","startTime":"6:47 PM","endDate":"28-Jun-1971","endTime":"6:50 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); MacGregor, Clark;","description":"On June 28, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon and Clark MacGregor met in the Oval Office of the White House from 6:47 pm to 6:50 pm. 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(President)","MacGregor, Clark"],"prevCode":"531-022","nextCode":"531-024","transcript":[{"start":8.73,"end":11.94,"text":"My God, he had me in a hanging crate."},{"start":11.96,"end":13.12,"text":"He said, we're going to lose."},{"start":14.82,"end":15.65,"text":"My God Almighty."},{"start":17.67,"end":17.99,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":19.08,"end":21.58,"text":"Well, let me say that"},{"start":25.18,"end":35.23,"text":"But then I'm going to write every member of the House and Senate in support of this and thank them for it."},{"start":35.27,"end":38.08,"text":"Because they, you know what I mean, in the end, I think they're going to look good."},{"start":38.1,"end":39.74,"text":"But gee, these guys, I know what they're up against."},{"start":39.76,"end":40.78,"text":"Heck, they want to vote for something."},{"start":40.8,"end":41.87,"text":"They want to be on the side of getting out."},{"start":41.88,"end":43.17,"text":"They're catching hell from home."},{"start":78.03,"end":86.86,"text":"Look, tonight, did you have some suggestions on who ought to be called on my book?"},{"start":86.88,"end":89.68,"text":"Yeah, but who else?"},{"start":89.7,"end":90.26,"text":"Glenn Davis?"},{"start":90.8,"end":97.29,"text":"John Jackson?"},{"start":97.85,"end":99.11,"text":"Sure."},{"start":99.13,"end":99.37,"text":"Sure."},{"start":99.59,"end":103.47,"text":"Sure."},{"start":103.5,"end":103.69,"text":"All right."},{"start":103.72,"end":103.81,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":104.15,"end":108.7,"text":"Oh, well, I failed."},{"start":109.8,"end":110.64,"text":"Oh, I'm kidding."},{"start":110.66,"end":122.84,"text":"But will you tell the person and Don Jackson and Glenn Davis and I don't know what other originals are here, but Keating, Keating, I'll call on him."},{"start":122.86,"end":132.61,"text":"Will you tell him that I'll call on him?"},{"start":132.63,"end":132.73,"text":"Fine."},{"start":132.75,"end":132.85,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":132.87,"end":133.51,"text":"Well, how are these things?"},{"start":133.53,"end":134.07,"text":"We've got a BFM piano"},{"start":139.05,"end":143.37,"text":"Yeah, well, I think those will do."},{"start":143.39,"end":150.28,"text":"And just get those on, and I'll just let you."},{"start":150.3,"end":156.79,"text":"I didn't know, says Mr. and Mrs. Calvin."},{"start":156.81,"end":160.62,"text":"Oh, well, is he in there?"},{"start":163.68,"end":166.06,"text":"Oh, Cale's in there."},{"start":166.08,"end":166.37,"text":"Yeah, yeah."},{"start":166.38,"end":166.72,"text":"Yeah, okay."},{"start":167.77,"end":170.94,"text":"Let's see if they want, want, want, want, okay."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and Clark MacGregor discuss the political challenges facing members of Congress regarding the Vietnam War, acknowledging the pressure representatives face from constituents to vote for withdrawal. To bolster support and show appreciation, the President decides to personally call several members of Congress, including John Jackson, Glenn Davis, and Keating. The meeting serves as a logistical coordination session for these outreach efforts to key legislative allies.","topics":["Vietnam War","Congressional relations","Political strategy","Legislative support","Nixon outreach"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T23:10:05.155Z"},"topicSlugs":["vietnam-war","congressional-relations","political-strategy","legislative-support","nixon-outreach"],"audioDurationSec":172,"audioFiles":[{"file":"531-023.mp3","bytes":6898207,"durationSec":172.32,"bitrate":320245,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:51.010Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/531-023.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/531-023","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/531/conversation-531-023","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). 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