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Start Date: 29-Jun-1971 5:50 PM

End Date: 29-Jun-1971 6:29 PM

Participants:

Nixon, Richard M. (President)Hodgson, James D.Shultz, George P.Sanchez, Manolo[Unknown person(s)]Bull, Stephen B.

Recording Device: Oval Office

Full Tape Conversation Start Time: 03:48:40

Full Tape Conversation End Time: 04:26:53

531a.mp3

531b.mp3

531c.mp3

NARA Description:

On June 29, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon, James D. Hodgson, George P. Shultz, Manolo Sanchez, unknown person(s), and Stephen B. Bull met in the Oval Office of the White House from 5:50 pm to 6:29 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 531-029 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid:

Conversation No. 531-29

Date: June 29, 1971
Time: 5:50 pm - 6:29 pm
Location: Oval Office

The President met with James D. Hodgson and George P. Shultz
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     President's previous meetings with National Commission on Productivity [Productivity
          Commission]
          -Effect
                 -Maurice H. Stans
                 -Environmental considerations

Manolo Sanchez entered at an unknown time after 5:30 pm.             Conv. No. 531-28 (cont.)

     Refreshments

Sanchez left at an unknown time before 6:29 pm.

     Environmental regulations
          -President's conversation with John D. Ehrlichman
          -Cost of pending projects
          -Hodgson’s actions
          -Stans’ group

     President's previous meeting with Productivity Commission
          -Future
                 -Decline of military activity
          -Economic dominance
          -Purpose
          -US position in world
          -Environmental concerns
          -Nuclear power
          -I. W. Abel's comments on consumption
          -Economic expansion

Sanchez entered at an unknown time after 5:30 pm.

Sanchez left at an unknown time before 6:29 pm.

     President's schedule
          -Management group meeting, July 6
                 -Attendants
                       -Chief Executive officers
                       -Bargaining officials
                 -Structure
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Economy
    -US Steel Corporation
         -Settlements
         -Results

President's schedule
     -Management group, July 6
            -Chief Executive Officers                          Conv. No. 531-29 (cont.)
            -Bargaining officials
            -Number of attendants
                  -Steel companies
                  -Labor organizations
            -President’s goals
            -Announcements
            -President's previous comments
            -Research
                  -Applied
                  -Basic

Presidential anointments
     -J. Curtis Counts
           -Job offer
           -Salary
           -Conversation with Hodgson
           -Forthcoming conversation with Hodgson
                 -Expression of President’s support
     -National Labor Relations Board [NLRB] counsel
           -Peter G. Nash
           -Conversations with Charles W. Colson, Ehrlichman, Frederic V. Malek,
                 Congress
           -Hodgson’s Congressional contacts
           -Nash
                 -Background
                 -Support
           -Richard T. Burress
                 -Background
                 -Relationship with Hodgson
                 -Opposition
           -Nash
                 -Support from business
                 -Hodgson's conversation with Gerald R. Ford
                      -Burress
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          -Ford's possible meeting with Nash
          -Malek’s investigation
          -Ford
          -Burress
                -Views of Arthur F. Burns and Bryce N. Harlow
          -Nash
                -Ford's support
                -Hodgson's conversations                      Conv. No. 531-29 (cont.)
                     -Peter H. Dominick
                     -Paul J. Fannin
                     -Jacob K. Javits
     -Burress
          -Possible role with administration
                -Malek

Congressional Conference Committee
    -F. Edward Hébert
    -Actions
    -Senate version of military pay

Supersonic Transport [SST]
     -Leonard Woodcock
          -Position on SST
          -Relationship with Walter F. Mondale and Vance Hartke
          -International Union, United Automobile, Aerospace and Agricultural
                Implement Workers of America [UAW]
     -Hubert H. Humphrey's vote
          -George Meany

Environment
     -Edmund S. Muskie
          -Meany's response
     -John B. Connally
     -Stans
     -Administration's position
          -Cost-benefit ratio and analysis
                -Land reclamation
     -Popular opinion
     -Leadership position
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Economy
    -Competition
    -Changes in totalitarian societies
    -Changes in democratic societies
    -Privatization of public services
          -Trash collection as example
                -Samuel W. Yorty's electoral victory
          -New York City                                          Conv. No. 531-29 (cont.)
          -Savings
    -Productivity Commission
          -Harllee Branch, Jr.
          -Schedule

Research and development
     -Shultz's possible meeting with Peter G. Peterson
     -Ehrlichman
     -National Aeronautics and Space Administration [NASA]
           -Funding
     -Tax program
           -Value added tax
     -SST
     -Saline water
     -Nuclear power
     -Productivity Commission's efforts
     -NASA and defense budget cuts
     -Priorities
           -President’s conversations with Peterson, Ehrlichman
     -Woodcock
     -Environment
           -Automobile emissions
           -River clean-up
                 -Connally’s view
                       -Sewage, irrigation run-off
     -Nuclear power, saline water
     -Foci for US efforts
           -Peterson’s comments
           -Japanese efforts
     -Tax program
           -Private research
     -Germans, Japanese, Soviets, Chinese
           -Government subsides
     -Government subsidies
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               -Lockheed
                     -President's statement
               -Boeing
               -General Dynamics
          -Balance of payments
               -Computers
                     -Space industry
                     -Military                                   Conv. No. 531-29 (cont.)
                     -Census
               -Government subsidies
               -Government efforts
               -Private enterprise
          -Telecommunications
          -Tennessee Valley Authority [TVA]
          -NASA
               -James E. Webb
               -Contractors
          -Nuclear power plants
          -Atomic Energy Commission [AEC] activities
               -Privatization
               -Argonne Lab
               -Brookhaven Lab
          -Symbolism
               -Social spending, deficits
               -Response to critics
               -Creation of wealth

     Productivity Commission
          -Meany, Woodcock, Abel, Joseph B. Beirne
          -James M. Roche
          -Branch
          -Edward W. Carter
          -Research and development
                -Necessity
                -Support

An unknown woman entered at an unknown time after 5:50 pm.

     President's schedule

     Rose Mary Woods’ schedule
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The unknown woman left at an unknown time before 6:29 pm.

     Research and development
          -Possible September 1971 conference
               -Productivity Commission
               -Papers for discussion
               -Statement
                                                                    Conv. No. 531-29 (cont.)
Stephen B. Bull entered at an unknown time after 5:50 pm.

     President's schedule
          -Henry A. Kissinger
          -Alexander M. Haig, Jr.

Bull left at an unknown time before 6:29 pm.

     Research and development
          -Possible September 1971 conference
               -Walter B. Wriston
               -Meany
               -Howard W. Johnson
                     -Massachusetts Institute of Technology [MIT]
               -President

     Labor support for administration
          -Extent
          -Issues
                -Muskie
                -President

     National economy
          -Connally
          -Retail sales
          -Unemployment
                -Programs for hiring blacks
                      -Effectiveness
                      -Timing
                -Youths
                      -Students

Shultz and Hodgson left at 6:29 pm.
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