{"conversationCode":"532-008","tapeNumber":532,"conversationNumber":8,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-532-008","startDateTime":"1971-06-30T13:59:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1971-06-30T14:02:00.000Z","startDate":"30-Jun-1971","startTime":"9:59 AM","endDate":"30-Jun-1971","endTime":"10:02 AM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Ziegler, Ronald L.; Goldwater, Barry M.; White House operator;","description":"On June 30, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon, Ronald L. Ziegler, Barry M. Goldwater, and the White House operator met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 9:59 am and 10:02 am. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 532-008 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"OVAL","recordingDevice":"Oval Office","latitudeEstimated":38.8974,"longitudeEstimated":-77.0374,"chronCode":1,"chronRelease":"First Chronological Release","chronReleaseDate":"5-Oct-1999","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 532-008\n\nDate: June 30, 1971\nTime: Unknown between 9:59 am and 10:02 am\nLocation: Oval Office\n\nThe President met with Ronald L. Ziegler.\n\n     Briefing\n           -Secretary William P. Rogers’ comments\n           -Turkish Ambassador's comments\n                -World drug problem\n                      -Significance of US-Turkey agreement\n                      -Turkish opium in US\n                -Media coverage\n                      -Television\n                      -Radio\n                            -Use of President's statement\n\n[The President talked with Barry M. Goldwater between 9:59 am and 10:00 am]\n\n[Conversation No. 532-8A]\n\n[See Conversation No. 6-45]\n\n[End of telephone conversation]\n\n     Briefing\n           -Turkish Ambassador's comments\n                -Media coverage\n                     -Television\n\n       Richard Nixon Presidential Library and Museum, NARA Online Public Access Catalog Identifier: 597542\n\n     Ziegler's call to Daniel Patrick Moynihan\n\n[The President talked with the White House operator at 10:01 am]\n\n[Conversation No. 532-8B]\n\n[See Conversation No. 6-46]\n\n[End of telephone conversation]\n\n     Briefing\n           -Turkish Ambassador's comments\n                -Media coverage\n                       -Radio\n                            -Timing\n                       -Focus on cut-off of opium supply\n           -President's remarks\n                -Focus on worldwide opium battle\n\nZiegler left at 10:02 am.","filename":["532-008.mp3"],"tapeStart":"01:08:33","tapeEnd":"01:14:29","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Ziegler, Ronald L.","Goldwater, Barry M.","White House operator"],"prevCode":"532-007","nextCode":"532-009","transcript":[{"start":3.95,"end":19.97,"text":"Secretary, you followed your remarks up briefly, and the Ambassador had a few remarks, but I think the..."},{"start":19.99,"end":20.93,"text":"Yes, sir."},{"start":20.95,"end":28.32,"text":"You talked about the world problem, and the fact that this was 68% of the supply to the United States, and significant stuff."},{"start":28.34,"end":30.45,"text":"Those are points the Secretary made."},{"start":30.46,"end":32.15,"text":"Sixty percent of all the... All the heroin comes from..."},{"start":32.78,"end":36.91,"text":"60% parking lot."},{"start":38.93,"end":42.26,"text":"Right."},{"start":42.27,"end":46.4,"text":"No, they didn't raise it."},{"start":51.42,"end":52.47,"text":"They stayed at 60."},{"start":52.79,"end":58.15,"text":"But we'll see what this does."},{"start":61.6,"end":62.34,"text":"That's the purpose of it."},{"start":63.04,"end":68.79,"text":"You think that'll make the announcement?"},{"start":68.81,"end":72.32,"text":"I think so."},{"start":72.54,"end":77.19,"text":"I think we're on the course all day on radio."},{"start":77.21,"end":79.84,"text":"I think they'll use probably all of your statements."},{"start":89.72,"end":104.16,"text":"John Skelly was calling me, Perry, uh, I had known you'd done something."},{"start":104.18,"end":108.69,"text":"He told me about it, really, uh, uh, on 30 minutes notice, how you went on that ABC program when, when McComber had, uh, on Monday, had McComber into it."},{"start":108.71,"end":111.07,"text":"But I just wanted to thank you."},{"start":111.09,"end":113.83,"text":"My colleague had stood there, and one of the guys will, uh, go to bat in that club."},{"start":113.85,"end":114.11,"text":"That's right."},{"start":114.13,"end":116,"text":"Well, I'll tell you, stir up a few of the other guys to get away."},{"start":116.02,"end":117.62,"text":"Although, I'll tell you, isn't that house doing well?"},{"start":117.64,"end":119.12,"text":"Oh, the way they go is the other way in that damn dimension."},{"start":119.83,"end":124.83,"text":"And let me tell you, one of the great men over there, Barry, after a few talks, you can see him as Eddie A."},{"start":124.85,"end":124.95,"text":"Bear."},{"start":124.97,"end":126.59,"text":"He's like a rock."},{"start":126.61,"end":129.6,"text":"He's like a rock."},{"start":129.62,"end":131.52,"text":"I'm telling you."},{"start":131.68,"end":131.98,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":132,"end":132.1,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":132.12,"end":144.25,"text":"When you were, yesterday, all right, but when you're talking to Eddie sometimes, you just might say, anxiety, he was, without him, we couldn't run this."},{"start":144.43,"end":145.09,"text":"Eddie A."},{"start":145.11,"end":147.78,"text":"Bear in the house, and of course, John Center stands up in the Senate, but"},{"start":148.14,"end":148.84,"text":"Here it is."},{"start":149.08,"end":153.27,"text":"As Tony said by then, it's going to be like a rockin' conference until they knock out that baby."},{"start":154.89,"end":156.11,"text":"Yeah."},{"start":156.13,"end":156.95,"text":"Okay."},{"start":156.97,"end":161.52,"text":"Thank you."},{"start":161.54,"end":172.13,"text":"Well, anyway, I thought you, uh, I think, I don't know if it's just worth getting out and going out with that responsibility."},{"start":172.15,"end":172.37,"text":"I think so."},{"start":172.39,"end":175.45,"text":"You've got to see, is there any trouble with your opportunity?"},{"start":175.47,"end":176.83,"text":"It's a hell of a scene under the announcement."},{"start":177.46,"end":189.61,"text":"Do one thing, you call Pat one hand."},{"start":189.63,"end":205.79,"text":"Congressman Rangel of New York City, Rangel, R-A-N-G-E-L. Of course, the other thing, too,"},{"start":206.01,"end":211.81,"text":"I'm an advocate of radio, not over TV, but I think radio has an impact."},{"start":211.84,"end":220.79,"text":"You realize that this is 6 o'clock, 7 o'clock going west, so you have a great deal of drive time and a great deal of the, you know, all of the morning news shows."},{"start":220.99,"end":228.3,"text":"People get the impression, I hope they get the impression, that we're cutting off the source of supply."},{"start":228.32,"end":229.46,"text":"Also, that indicates it's bad, too."},{"start":229.48,"end":229.74,"text":"That's right."},{"start":229.76,"end":230.58,"text":"I think it has an educational effect."},{"start":230.6,"end":230.84,"text":"Absolutely."},{"start":231.3,"end":231.62,"text":"It's just fine."},{"start":231.64,"end":234.86,"text":"I mean, that's the story, cutting off the supply."},{"start":234.88,"end":235.31,"text":"Stopping the supply."},{"start":235.62,"end":256.35,"text":"I think the idea, Judge, is the fact that I said by far the most significant, by far the biggest breakthrough that has been made in our worldwide offensive."},{"start":256.37,"end":260.42,"text":"Worldwide offensive is to stop the source of supply."},{"start":260.44,"end":261.04,"text":"That's point one of the first."},{"start":261.06,"end":261.26,"text":"All right."},{"start":261.28,"end":262,"text":"Thank you."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon met with Ronald Ziegler to coordinate media strategy regarding a new U.S.-Turkey agreement aimed at curbing the international heroin trade. The conversation focused on utilizing radio and television coverage to emphasize the administration's success in cutting off the primary source of Turkish opium. Nixon directed staff to frame this development as a major breakthrough in his broader worldwide offensive against narcotics, while also discussing efforts to garner political support from congressional allies.","topics":["Narcotics control","U.S.-Turkey relations","Media strategy","Opium trade","Public relations"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T23:11:41.715Z"},"topicSlugs":["narcotics-control","u-s-turkey-relations","media-strategy","opium-trade","public-relations"],"audioDurationSec":263,"audioFiles":[{"file":"532-008.mp3","bytes":10533407,"durationSec":263.19,"bitrate":320174,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:51.010Z","findingAidSource":"nixonlibrary.gov subject log (2024-05), reslice-v2","findingAidUpdatedAt":"2026-09-18T08:43:56.721Z","transcriptGapSeconds":32,"transcriptGapShare":0.12,"transcriptQuality":"incomplete","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/532-008.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/532-008","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/532/conversation-532-008","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). 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