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Conversation: 536-010

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Start Date: 3-Jul-1971 9:05 AM

End Date: 3-Jul-1971 9:55 AM

Participants:

Nixon, Richard M. (President)Colson, Charles W.Mulcahy, John A. ("Jack")Woods, Rose Mary

Recording Device: Oval Office

Full Tape Conversation Start Time: 01:23:54

Full Tape Conversation End Time: 02:10:10

536a.mp3

536b.mp3

536c.mp3

NARA Description:

On July 3, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon, Charles W. Colson, John A. ("Jack") Mulcahy, and Rose Mary Woods met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 9:05 am and 9:55 am. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 536-010 of the White House Tapes.

Nixon Library Finding Aid:

Conversation No. 536-10

Date: July 3, 1971
Time: Unknown between 9:05 pm and 9:55 pm
Location: Oval Office

The President met with Charles W. Colson

     Bureau of Labor Statistics [BLS]
          -The President’s earlier meeting with George P. Shultz and James D. Hodgson
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                                     Tape Subject Log
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           -Colson
                -Conversation with Shultz, Hodgson
                      -BLS release
                -Staff members conversations with BLS staff
                      -News report
                            -Time magazine
                      -Response to press queries
                            -”Goldstein” [Leon Greenberg]
                            -Citation as spokesman
                                  -Geoffrey H. Moore, Shultz
                                  -Jews
                                        -[Forenames unknown] Gordowsky [?], Levine
                                  -Moore
           -Shultz, Hodgson
                -Julius Shiskin
                      -President’s opinion regarding Jews
                            -Henry A. Kissinger

[The President talked with John A. (“Jack”) Mulcahy between 9:06 am and 9:08 am]

[Conversation No. 536-10A]

[See Conversation No. 6-121]

[End of telephone conversation]

[The President talked with an unknown person [Rose Mary Woods?] at an unknown time
between 9:08 am and 9:55 am]

[Conversation No. 536-10B]

     Mulcahy
         -July 3, 1971 wedding
               -The President’s telephone call
               -Gift

[End of telephone conversation]

[Pause]

     BLS
           -Handling of personnel changes
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         -Shultz, Hodgson
               -Comparison to John B. Connally
                     -”Goldstein”
               -Comparison to Maurice H. Stans
                     -Department of Commerce
                          -Handling of statistics compared to BLS
                                -Harold C. Passer
                                                                 Conv. No. 536-10 (cont.)
News coverage
    -Unemployment statistics
         -New York Times
         -Colson’s forthcoming call to Julian Goodman of National Broadcasting
               Company [NBC] and William S. Paley of Columbia Broadcasting System
               [CBS]
         -Reporting of unemployment story
               -H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman’s view
               -Headline orientation of the general public
                     -Colson’s July 2, 1971 conversation with wife and son
                     -Drop in rates
                          -Reporting by John W. Chancellor
                                -John A. Scali
    -Vietnam casualty figures
         -Laos
         -Comparison to July, 1970
         -Forthcoming July 15, 1971 Department of Defense release of June figures
    -Vietnam War and the Pentagon Papers case
         -Potter Stewart’s concern
         -Hypothetical effect of classified information leak on negotiations to end the
               war
               -Prisoner of war [POW] release
         -Reaction of New York Times reporter [Forename unknown] Bickel

Pentagon Papers case
     -Appearance by Dean Rusk
          -Vietnam War actions during Lyndon B. Johnson’s administration
     -Bickel
     -Daniel Ellsberg
     -Possible Presidential statement
          -Application of espionage laws
          -Revelation of activities during John F. Kennedy’s and Johnson’s
                administrations
          -New York Times revelation of substance of secret documents
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                           Tape Subject Log
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      -Vietnam War negotiations
      -The President’s obligation to POWs and their families
      -Use of secret negotiations
            -Union of Soviet Socialist Republics [USSR], People’s Republic of China
                  [PRC], Middle East
      -Journalistic desire for news scoops
      -Obligation to prisoners of war
      -Comparison to Dwight D. Eisenhower                     Conv. No. 536-10 (cont.)
            -Duties as chief of Supreme Headquarters Allied Expeditionary Force
                  [SHAEF]
-US journalists
      -Bickel
            -New York Times
            -Government action
-Possible Presidential statement
      -Ellsberg’s actions
            -Impact
            -The President’s obligation to uphold the law
      -Supreme Court decision
      -Journalistic goals
            -Impact on lives of US servicemen in Vietnam
            -Comparison with journalistic standards during World War II
            -Rights compared to morality
-The President’s role in the case
      -Method of presenting statement
            -Arrangements for letter from the editor of a small town newspaper
            -Martin S. Hayden
            -Newspaper compared to press conference
                  -Timing
-Bickel
      -Article
-Stewart
-Presidential statement
      -Patrick J. Buchanan
      -Bickel’s statement
      -Democrat’s reaction
            -Henry M. (“Scoop”) Jackson’s statement
            -Hubert H. Humphrey, Edmund S. Muskie’s statements
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BEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 1
[Personal Returnable]
[Duration: 5m 51s ]


END WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 1                                           Conv. No. 536-10 (cont.)

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     BLS
           -”Goldstein”, Moore
                -Personnel changes
           -Release on unemployment figures
                -Time magazine
                -Journalistic contact with BLS
                      -”Goldstein”
                -Approval of release
                      -Hodgson
                            -Shultz’s conversation with Hodgson

[Pause]

     Frank C. Carlucci
          -Handling of the Office of Economic Opportunity [OEO]
               -California

     Law enforcement
         -Crime
               -US News and World Report
                     -Forthcoming article
                           -”Era of permissiveness”
         -Letter from the President to law enforcement officials
               -White House meeting with police chiefs
         -Reaction to letter
               -Patrick V. Murphy

     Colson’s forthcoming meeting with Buchanan
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     BLS
           -Hodgson
           -Bureaucracy

Colson left at 9:55 am


                                                                   Conv. No. 536-10 (cont.)