Conversation 536-018

TapeTape 536StartSaturday, July 3, 1971 at 11:54 AMEndSaturday, July 3, 1971 at 1:12 PMTape start time04:00:18Tape end time05:08:04ParticipantsNixon, Richard M. (President);  Haig, Alexander M., Jr.;  Woods, Rose Mary;  Bull, Stephen B.;  Andrews, John K., Jr.;  Haldeman, H. R. ("Bob");  Haldeman, H. R. ("Bob")Recording deviceOval Office

On July 3, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon, Alexander M. Haig, Jr., Rose Mary Woods, Stephen B. Bull, John K. Andrews, Jr. and H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman and H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman met in the Oval Office of the White House from 11:54 am to 1:12 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 536-018 of the White House Tapes.

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Well, he made quite a point on the news this morning that he would not come to the press.
That he would not come to the press.
Oh, was that off?
Was he on camera?
No, sir, this was just the news, yes.
That's good.
No confusion.
So the best thing you can do
I told Mr. Ware's people to do the same.
He got sandbagged yesterday.
Did he?
Where did he get sandbagged?
At the plain side.
They asked him whether or not we could be out by the end of the year.
He said we could put up the ice line.
It was irresponsible.
We couldn't get any club out.
It was stupid and stupid.
He really shouldn't have said it.
I had Secretary Rogers upset, too.
He called him this morning about it.
He must have thought it was terrible, didn't he?
He did.
What the hell was the matter with Larry?
What was he trying to say?
Well, it's a major story of what he said, sir.
He did say it.
He didn't really say it that way.
He said, look, if you're oppressing me for that kind of a... That has nothing to do with the problem.
He said, of course we can do that.
We've banned it all.
Our equipment's left.
That's what I'll say.
Best advice you can give to a dog is say a word.
Word one.
That's right.
It's easy.
At least one of those guys can say no comment.
It's on every network.
Thank you.
Should I just make it zero before you call it?
Yes.
You type the name on the outside of the child.
I have written a handwritten note on it that you can see here, to deprive us of the picture that was on the paper, that's the Cosmonauts in Syneria, which I'll be checking right over here.
But what I would like to do, Alice, for you to go over to Brandon's place and say, here's the notebook.
Just send it to him open.
And ask him if he would make a translation and put it in.
And then have it delivered to a dramatic or a pouch or whatever he wants.
You can also tell him that this is a personal note, of course.
I'm sure there will be, I realize that there may be interest in it.
The child can, of course, if he wants, but the decision is up to her.
I have no objection.
Would you do that?
Yes, sir.
Do you think that's the best way to handle it?
In other words, that's rather than just putting it in the mail.
Oh, no, this is the way to do it.
You could take it over to him.
I can't read it.
Of course, I can't read the letter.
and ask them to make a Russian translation, put it in a letter with it and have it delivered, and then you say no.
The question, as far as Liz is concerned, if she's asked about it or she wants to say it perfectly, it's up to her.
I have no objection.
Okay.
Okay.
You said it's not your final, but your opening remarks are for tonight.
Oh, the opening remarks are for tonight.
Oh, the opening remarks are for tonight.
Oh, the opening remarks are for tonight.
Oh, the opening remarks are for tonight.
Oh, the opening remarks are for tonight.
Oh, the opening remarks are for tonight.
Thank you.
Thank you.
I don't know if it would make any difference, but in there they have this saying, the Chief Justice of the United States, I'm not giving his name, I'm saying the Speaker of the House of Representatives, Carl Roberts.
Carl Roberts.
I want to show you something interesting I do.
Apparently we took things away from Rand yesterday.
Here's a note that our friend, Gene Dixon, sent to me before the accident.
You remember Frank, I don't think you ever did trust him very much.
Isn't that interesting?
See, she doesn't even notice.
She didn't buy it from him.
Very, very negative for our hearts and people.
Let's see, so we...
He wasn't on the third plane.
I can also remember that.
But I just thought that you would find that interesting.
See, she sends them to me without a name, and gets them to me with something else.
And with this, don't say it's from her, but just a... who gave this to, uh, all of them.
And we, uh, we have, uh, we have, you know, stars...
We'd like to have a check run on them.
Yeah, and heavy washing and purging by the medical team.
Okay, now, it's from a problem that they were sending out to the Alarm and Unemployment Promise when we turned again.
They had one to Arthur Ockelsberger, and we haven't been writing to him about that.
Oh, okay.
I just want to be sure that hasn't changed.
I'll check it out.
Can I do one personal question?
Never, never, never.
Mr. President, did you want to tell me anything?
Sure.
Well, you haven't seen the last draft, have you?
No, I haven't seen that.
Oh, that's right.
You're going tonight, aren't you?
I don't think so.
It is.
Is it?
I didn't think it was.
They're inviting about 70 people.
It's an invitation.
Is that what it is?
Yeah, it's strictly an invitation.
Someone gave him my name.
No, no, you're invited because we always invite the man who does the works and speech and go to just to see it.
No, no, that's perfectly all right.
It's a beautiful letter.
I want you to tell Ray or call him and just say that I thought that I'd only changed a few words and said last night that I just thought it was a beautiful job.
I wish I could have thought of it myself.
And tell him exactly how it ended and having it delivered to the ambassador
that General Haig was making it over.
You can also tell that when I called the Ambassador, and to press my notes personally, I told her that Julie had called me from Athens about the cosmonauts.
And he was very touched.
And the next day, he got a message back from the three, saying how grateful they were for the expression, the personal expression of myself and my family and my daughter.
So I think this is exactly the right thing to do.
And he'd like to know about the interplay.
We're not going to publicize it from here.
But if the child puts it out, we'll let it play.
We'll let it go a little while.
OK.
Well, how you coming down?
How much you got your words down?
Come up to 1590, I found a place to get 90 words out.
Oh, you took 90 words out?
Well, no, as it stands there, it's 1590, and in the last few minutes I've found a place where we can trim here and there to get it down to 1500.
I've taken some out of the beginning, I've taken a...
a minute or two out of the beginning.
Let's see how much time we have.
I would assume that that is a minute, that that is a minute.
How would you count the number of words that have been taken out?
Let's take a minute out so that we know how many words we have to play with here in the end of the speech.
At the rest of the time, he's only 12 minutes and 15 seconds, so we're trying to get that time back.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Good.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But they do feel that they're going to have to turn it out to them.
All right.
All right.
For accounting purposes, do you use 130 words a minute?
I won't go that fast.
It's very easy to deliver, but because of the places where I can't race, sir.
I actually should use probably 110, 20, but... See, this is too many.
Well, 12 minutes plus 120.
This would be about right.
At 120 minutes...
I think that figures out to around 1440 or 1450.
Well, we've got another minute.
Opening time.
What do you think?
Yes, sir.
It's a good paragraph, but it's not necessary.
Do you think?
I think it could come out easy.
And then that next line, I guess, we cannot and shall not fail.
We cannot and shall not fail.
All right.
Failed.
That can stay.
I think that needs to stay.
Stay.
What?
That can stay.
Yeah, we can't.
Shall not fail to enter.
I think shall not fail or find some way to finish the sentence, will you?
I think that's good.
I think it ought to stay in.
I think this is okay.
Maybe just fail it and it stops there.
Or fail to do so.
Fail to do so.
That's better.
I gained 60 words that change on page two.
I guess you've got to say that, don't you?
Yes.
You've got to say something that doesn't tell people what the hell we're doing.
You know, we could cut this.
We could reach all these goals.
We're still not going to be worthy of our heritage unless we have the spirit of the 7th century.
All these material bones.
That's a sense of fairness.
That makes a distinction.
I think you can take this side.
I don't think you need to .
It was weak .
Military power, military power
That was one of my suggestions.
He didn't elaborate on it, Jim.
Wait a minute.
America taught the imagination.
But because the animation had something far more important.
It was the animation that stood for something far more important.
Okay?
Yes, sir.
It's not correct if you don't tell me.
It stood for something far more important than... Yeah, you know, far more important.
Don't leave that in.
Far more important, period.
So you've got to start...
not because she was strong or rich, but because the unknown.
Do you have any other suggestions for cover?
I don't think so.
The cuts that we just made bring us down to 145.
Hello?
Yeah.
Yeah.
145.
105 out of the introductory part.
Yeah, so that means we... We have more time for this.
And this down, with the cuts we just made, is down to 1465.
That's right in at 12 minute range, I think.
That last sentence on 7 was another suggested fact.
We can correct what is wrong.
We can correct the problem.
We shall
No, we shouldn't.
We should and will.
We should and will correct what is wrong.
But we cannot allow what is wrong about this country.
Maybe in a sense we have to take a stand all of us for the truth to come out.
There's another one that I was going to say.
Come on.
I think we've got an hour.
I would say that runs down to 1440.
Rather than very much a lie, lives the day.
That's stronger.
Lives the day.
All right, well, stronger.
Is it lives?
Or inspires?
Inspires the day.
Inspires the day.
No, lives the day.
Lives, I think, is good.
Stronger.
Should and will, correct?
We must never lie.
We cannot lie.
I put those words in looking for a way to make the point that there's a lot more that's right than what's wrong.
All that is right about me.
I think it's the time has come for every American to stand up, not stand up, and answer the false charge.
Do you think so?
You know what?
Be strong.
I think as it stands, it's okay.
I understand.
Answer the false charge.
Yes, sir.
All right, let us see if you're ready.
It loses much, but it's many words.
It's a blindness to what is right about America.
Yes, sir.
I did.
It was done on the regular letter typewriter, I think, that Marge Acker has, not the large type.
That's what they give you to write.
I feel good.
I think you've trimmed it down and streamlined it to where it just makes the essential points and it's not going to be heavy.
I think it'll come across very strongly and clearly.
Let me try this.
This is the last one.
Let's see how different this is from the other one.
How many words have you got now?
1440, about 12 minutes at 120 a minute.
12 minutes.
We may have 13 minutes.
Now listen, don't worry about finishing a minute early.
Do they have to fill the time in?
They're set to fill.
How well ready?
They will fill it by going, the student group will immediately finish the national anthem, take a beat, and then do a low-key God Bless America over which the networks will do their sign-off.
Good.
Do you like to follow?
Mr. Chief Justice, our distinguished guests, my fellow Americans.
We share tonight a great moment, the beginning of America's bicentennial new age.
In this room, so rich in our most precious heritage, we look back across two centuries with pride and gratitude to all the brave, dedicated Americans, some famous, but most unknown, who made it possible for us to be here today.
But on this day, let the men and women who brought these United States to be not 95 years ago, let us look more to the future than to the past.
What kind of a country do we want to be five years from now when America's third century begins?
Above all, we want the world of 1976 to be one in which Americans can live in peace with all the peoples of the earth and in peace with themselves.
We are already taking the first long step toward that goal by ending the difficult war in which we are engaged in a way that will contribute not only to peace in the Pacific, but to peace in the world.
Not only to peace for our generation, but to peace for the next generation.
But we can keep moving and reach that goal after Vietnam, only if America continues to be its responsibility as a leadership in building a structure of lasting peace.
We cannot, shall not, fail to do so.
We have made our mistakes before, but we can be proud that in four wars in this century, Americans have sacrificed their lives, not for domination or conquest, but always to help others, to enjoy the freedom that we ourselves gained in 1776.
We shall never betray this tradition.
We shall always use our strength to keep the peace, never to break it, always to defend freedom, never to destroy it.
And peace to us will mean not merely the absence of war, but the building of an open world, a world of open cities, open hearts, and open minds, where people with different cultures and different systems of government can live side by side and draw strength from their diversity.
A world where all men can devote their energies to the works of peace rather than the weapons of war.
This is the world our new foreign policy of negotiation rather than confrontation seeks to build.
One of our Bicentennial goals is an American home.
Here, too, we must aim high, for we have already achieved beyond the dreams of many other nations.
Americans today enjoy more jobs and higher wages, more freedom, more opportunity than any people in the world.
We have poverty in America, but a man who is poor in America would be rich in most of the nations in the world.
We still have no room for self-satisfaction.
There is still so much to achieve.
For the next five years, we incompetently hope to achieve these high goals, full employment without war and the restoration of our heritage and clean air and water, which our heritage, which our forefathers enjoyed two centuries ago, a nation in which we have respect for law and laws that deserve respect, better education, health, and housing for all Americans, unlimited opportunity for every American citizen, regardless of his background.
But we can reach all of these material goals
and still not be worthy of our heritage unless we have the spirit of 76.
The new United States of America of 195 years ago was a small nation of only 3 million people.
It was weak militarily and poor economically.
Yet in the face of all that, Thomas Jefferson could say, we act not for ourselves alone, but for the whole human race.
And the wonder of it was that the world believed him.
America caught the imagine the worst nation in the world in those days, not because she was rich and strong, but because the young nations stood for something far more important.
It had a flaming idealism, a higher purpose, a free spirit that has come to be called the spirit of 76.
The American people believed in themselves and their country and their ideals.
Theirs was a country weak in arms and poor in goods, but rich in spirit.
Let it not be said of our America today that we are strong in arms and rich in goods, but poor in spirit.
For we are not poor in spirit.
The American spirit which inspired these historic documents around us here in the archives lives today.
Heart and words stronger than ever.
We have been reminded of it eloquently by the Chief Justice and Speaker.
And as we celebrate the Fourth of July tomorrow, on Sunday, we are reminded of another resource of America's continuing strength, our deep religious faith.
To look at America with clear eyes today is to see every reason for pride and little for shame, great cause for gratitude and little for regret, strong grounds for hope and none at all for despair.
The crucial challenge now is to hold the high ground of confidence, courage, and faith that is rightly ours and to avoid the quicksand of fear and doubt.
If we are to measure up as Americans and if America is to measure up as a nation,
The commitment which each of us makes to freedom cannot be less than the total commitment made by the 56 patriots who put their names to the Declaration of Independence so long ago.
There is a famous painting of these men which hangs in the conference room across from my office in the White House.
It is unusual because for some reason the artist never finished it.
Many of the figures in the background of the scene are only sketched in or left blind.
That painting reminds us
that the American Revolution is unfinished business, with important roles still open for each of us to play.
The message of that uncompleted painting is this.
Any American can be a signer of the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution, or the rights.
We write our names with the lives we live in.
One of America's new voters, Miss Cynthia Frank, 18 years old, signed her name to Americanize ideals in her high school valedictory speech a few days ago.
Her message is for all of us on this independent stage.
Listen to her.
I think the time has come to defend America.
I simply feel that on such an evening as this, thought should be given to the goodness of America, to the freedom it provides, greater than anything else anywhere on earth, even the liberty of tactic government, which makes that freedom possible.
We are truly man's hope.
No country has stood more firmly than she, been just as she is just, been generous as she has been, or is more deserving of the praise of her people than America.
In this bicentennial era that lies ahead, a time of great challenge and great promise, we will reach our goals and achieve our destiny if we remember that high school student's valedictorian address and act in the spirit of those words.
We are going through a period when it is not always to keep a clear perspective about ourselves, our country, and our community.
Day after day, voices are raised to tell us what is wrong about America.
We should and will correct what is wrong, but we cannot allow what is wrong about this country to blind us to what is right about America.
The time has come to answer the false charge that this is an ugly country.
Let us love America.
Let us love her not because she is rich and not because she is strong, but because America is a good country, and we're going to make it better.
112 years ago, in one of the most tragic events in this nation's history, John Brown, after the bloody raid on Harpers Ferry, was tried, convicted, and sentenced to be hanged.
When he was on the way to the gallows, he rode in a wagon with his own coffin right beside him.
As he rode through the Virginia countryside that day, speaking to no one in particular, he said, This is a beautiful country.
If John Brown could say that, just before the tragic war between the states, with his own death, that we today can say even more true.
This is a beautiful country.
And we are privileged to be the generation that has the magnificent opportunity to make it even more beautiful for the generations ahead.
The shift in there from the past to the future,
Right at the beginning, I think, is a hell of a good way to move on.
Then you weave the past in as you go along.
Instead of wallowing around in the past, you go right at the beginning, let's look to the future, not the past, and talk about the past.
Well, but then you alter it.
No, you don't.
I talk about peace.
You talk about the goals, spirit, and then you weave in the past as it relates to those things as you go along.
I think it sounds all right.
It sounds very good.
And I think it's good using both of them.
You've got three good pictures at the end, hanging in the conference room.
The little girl in the little girl's type dress and jump on it.
Of course, you were going much faster than you were tonight, but that was eight minutes.
Well, we got through it with the final.
Oh, that means you could go two-thirds that speed, which would be very measured, and you'd still have 12 minutes.
I don't want to drag it too long.
It should move.
I like things a little shorter.
A damn further, man.
They can play a few more things, can't they?
They've got a couple of the numbers.
They don't just go off.
They go back to the...
It shouldn't be at any loss for commercial, should it?
Yeah.
The one...
You've used it before.
Maybe it comes out that one thing that kind of rings sour to me is to say we have made our mistakes in foreign policy.
Well, leave it out of it.
No, I'd say it, but I would qualify it.
It has the implication or sort of the ring that everything we've done is wrong, which isn't what you mean at all.
Well, I follow that, of course, I might say, but...
I agree, but you sure don't want to leave any impression of that.
Well, I'm just wondering if you said, for instance, we have made some mistakes in foreign policy.
Or we have at times made mistakes in foreign policy.
Let's see.
Some mistakes we may have made in foreign policy.
Right.
Is that all right?
I think that's better than the declarative statement that we have to make.
The same thinking applies to the line, we have poverty in this country.
There again, it could be qualified.
In spite of where we still have some poverty, it comes later.
Yeah?
Page three.
Bottom of page three.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I think you might as well take that out.
There's still some poverty in this country, but... Just a difference, I'm sure.
But...
When we...
When we speak of poverty in America, let us remember that a man born in America would be rich in most of the nations of the world.
Let's say when we hear of poverty.
Yeah, when we hear of poverty, let us remember.
Great stuff in there.
They have plenty of room for hope and then for despair.
That's right.
Answer the false charge.
Damn good, positive stuff in there.
Comments all over.
Black living.
Well, they got the false charge.
It's black living in a specific sense.
It isn't just a compass.
And also this business about the fourth spirit, getting that line out of there.
Every Bible student.
And the one thing that, the opportunity that arises out of this is your very strong call on the Spirit of 76, which sure sets them up for a request that you retain the airplane.
You know, a couple days after this speech.
We're going to do that.
But this delays the groundwork for doing it.
As you made the speech opening the year of the Bicentennial, and the Bicentennial Commission comes back to you as a result of your speech and says, following the inspiration of Spirit of 76, why don't you rename Air Force One?
Turn right into the year of the Bicentennial.
That's a hell of a lot better plane to be flying around the world in and campaigning in.
It's not going to be an Air Force one.
It's going to be a Spirit 76.
Takes the military tone out of it.
Ties it to the bicentennial era.
Builds suddenly it's a hell of a good political title for it.
This gives you the damn good rationale.
Rather than in peace with themselves, I think, to have peace with themselves.
Maybe on page two, you will be back to the other places.
That's a pretty good comment on other places.
Do you want to leave that paragraph in?
We could.
We have a room for it.
That's a pretty good paragraph, don't you think?
What do you think?
That the stakes are higher for us.
I think it's an important point to make.
195 years ago, the winner did not do it a little bit today.
Okay.
I think that should stay in.
I think we've got... We still have well under 1,500 words.
Yeah.
We must never allow.
Let us not allow.
See, we've put it back.
We shall.
We should.
And we'll correctly try.
But let us never allow.
It's not going to be what you like it this way.
I cannot allow it.
That makes it stronger.
But let us never.
But let us never allow it.
And then we can take out the praise about this country, which closes it up, too.
Let us never allow what is wrong.
About this country has to come out.
I remember it was redemptive at the time.
But let us never allow what is wrong to blind us to what is right about America.
That says it just as well.
And to answer the charge that this is a false, ugly country, that's a good line.
I've said it a lot of times before, or to say it again.
Yep.
And it sets up for the story with the punchline, this is a beautiful country.
Yeah.
I think it's damn good to say the things you've said before.
Say them in this kind of repeat.
I mean, the further, the more you touch, the better it usually gets.
It's sort of true.
You know what I mean?
It focuses.
All of a sudden, you see it very clear.
Too many words.
You're aware.
Well, I mean, we'll go with that at this point.
We're not going to put it out, so.
Well, I'll make sure that they can read then the changes that you made and get the reading copy made from this.
Right.
Just have a reading copy made from that.
After that.
And give him the Xerox, the whole John Brown story.
And give that to Carruthers.
That'll give him your cue, your closing cue.
Yeah.
Give Carruthers... That'll give ample warning for the close and get the...
Thank you, Mr. President.
Okay, we'll see you later.
Thanks a lot.
He works a lot, too.
That's interesting.
He's got a mind that
He sees exactly what you're aiming for when you're trying to maneuver and it comes right up with the words to do it.
Well, the interesting thing is this is that one.
But when I say quick, he likes it awfully well and his additions are excellent.
We haven't taken an awful lot of his stuff in this, but the stuff he did is awfully good, you know, and I'm starting to learn.
But you mentioned what you were saying.
Well, the thing with the staff drivers was there were a lot of them in there.
It still doesn't make any difference.
It gets to, you know, but I had, what was it you said, you mentioned earlier, something that he had written, the whole,
room for hope and then for despair.
That's his line.
There's a whole sequence there.
That may be the exact part, but nevertheless, that was good.
It went on and on and on on Jefferson.
That's an interesting little, it's a fascinating anecdote, but it doesn't fit.
What difference does it make that Jefferson and Adams died the same day?
I was going to come to think about it, that's true.
It's very interesting, so it's a lot.
And that they hated each other.
John Adams said Thomas Jefferson still lives.
Who cares?
It does make a difference what John Brown said.
There's a point out of that.
There's a point out of what that little girl said.
And there's a point in that painting.
Dang good.
I think it will read well.
As well as speech will speak well.
I mean, a reproduction of the text will be, it is a good text.
But in this case, let's not put it out.
I don't think it's worth putting it out to the papers.
Not to the papers, but I would sure make reprints available.
Reprints available.
We'll do up a little bicentennial commission, can do up a folder.
See, this presses the
All they'll do with this piece of this is knock it, you know, as being just a lot of generalities and pious, this and that and the other thing, and, you know, like this fellow person.
We're not doing that for the press.
We just say it's not going to have a text.
No, it won't.
There you will be.
What really does it do?
It's making news.
You're not supposed to.
There's no news.
Just adult funny.
There's nothing particularly...
no nuance or anything.
But it's a very punchy, good little segment, you know, for people to, well, this is the ideal occasion, the setting and the time give you the opportunity to make this kind of a speech that you don't have very often.
You can't, you know, you can't do this, you can do it without TV coverage, because you can't go for television time to make this kind of a speech, except on this kind of an occasion.
We have other cases of people now.
We've got Cook out of the State Department, you know.
I mean, the Post Office of Spark.
Those are not very good.
Post Office.
We have other people around.
You know, there must be guys with great talents right under our noses, you know.
You know, it really is true.
I'll listen.
Still got some talent, too.
Gavin.
Where is he?
Silver USIA, U-S-I-A.
He still, we don't use him.
But we can use him, particularly on the kind of ghost stuff.
He's just warm.
He did a piece, you know, the Reader's Digest ran, that, on the meaning of the National Anthem, which is very good.
And he was standing out here during a state arrival when they played the National Anthem, and he had to thinking about the words.
And they were, he was thinking the words to himself.
And you get to thinking about what the National Anthem really meant.
And he did a piece on what the National Anthem means.
He's great at that.
The Reader's Digest ran.
Which is a great thing for us.
I mean, that's 10 million people.
There's 30 million readers.
The Reader's Digest might well run this into the speech.
I think they probably will.
because Hope is so tied to Honor America Day and all that, you know, anyway.
They went up and Ron Walker went up and checked those young Americans who they sang at Carnegie Hall last night in New York, and it got easy.
He says that the most beautiful children he's ever seen, he was just ecstatic.
He said, I went backstage and talked to some of them afterwards, trying to get a feel of whether there were any problems, and there were only two long hairs in the whole 500.
He said, I talked to both of them, and there was no problem with either of them.
And I talked to the conductor, and he says they had no problems of any kind, because he doesn't see any dangers with them.
That, uh,
where you can't be sure we don't make that film, guaranteed, if it's nice and chill.
But, well, you can at least get a feel, and you smoke it out a little bit.
But he said, were they good?
He said he had never seen such an enthusiastic audience.
And he said, damn near everybody in the audience was backstage.
It was hard as hell to even get back there.
Everybody, it was just a great sort of spontaneous reaction kind of thing.
They have 100-piece orchestra and 100-piece concert band and 300 in the chorus, the singing chorus.
We can't get them all in.
No.
But I'd like to hear them all.
Well, we might be able to get them all in, but I don't know.
Well, let's look.
Maybe we don't get the orchestra in instead of... How about we go to the Constitution Hall?
Just to do something different, rather than the White House.
And I suppose you've got a problem with what kind of allows the audience to... We don't have any audience.
do it on the stage at Constitution Hall, and have a, let them have a white house tour camera set up there.
And the reason you're going over there is because of the size of the studio, because they are set up at Constitution Hall.
We can leave the set up from Sunday, from tomorrow night.
It'd be great to have an audience there.
Could you put them in the East Room?
The East Room, I've seen 300 of them talking.
You'd stand, you'd have a stand.
You wouldn't see them.
Oh.
You could put it with a stand.
You could have it there.
They couldn't play it all the time.
All day.
But I don't think that matters.
They can just send one number and let it go at that.
Half of them are leaving Monday night.
The other half leave Tuesday night.
Well, that's... We did it Monday afternoon.
We'll do it Monday afternoon.
Which is when we should.
That's when we'll get...
It's all flooded by the afternoon, but I'm just thinking of hearing them.
Well, I guess that isn't really that important, Bob.
Nobody's going to... Well, I'm trying to find out if they can sing without the orchestra.
I'm sure they can.
And we'll have...
It's great for them to be there.
It's a great send-off for their European tour and the chance to see you and the chance to be there for that signing.
It's an historical moment.
Okay, I'm on my way.
Well, this kid is Anderson.
Ironically, it's taking time to sort of get the music as it comes together.
They sent the first three of all these long notes over.
It was hard for him to sort of get this kind of heat.
But he had passed it my way.
Actually, what I think the secret is that the younger guys can do it better.
I'm convinced that because they knew Jeremy was there.
Well, he developed his airhead.
As a matter of fact, you have to watch them a little.
They don't get some pain.
And I don't want them, because I may be working them out.
So I'm afraid to speak up.
But I'll tell you what.
He adjusts his style so much better.
Because that's what you're having, really.
You know your style is right, and he takes right from me.
I've got to say it at a certain tempo, and I've got to say phrases that way, and I can't use the cute phrases, and I can't use the, you know, the slow phrases, and also I can't use raise, you know, sorry.
beautiful, elegant language that just goes on and on, you know what I mean?
And, uh, which sometimes just reads marvelous.
We're never going to get any credit off of this.
Because, basically, Ray, it's too bad he didn't write it for Kennedy.
Too bad.
Because,
With a friendly cross, Ray's stuff, they would have their gathers over, you know, front pig, re-cranked, everything.
Really, it's true.
But Ray rides for us, and of course, you know, each of the beautiful stuff, just, we put a whole lot of good stuff.
I'm very happy.
All that message you should have actually sent a lot of messages.
You're just awful good.
All right?
And to be proud of the law, and to do this to be good.
Nobody beats the federal record.
Oh.
Well, you're bursting away.
I don't care about pushing it.
But then to do with the message, you should start to send a speech around.
Send the message around, and it's a good one.
Yeah.
But we do, you know, we're doing that.
One of the things we get a lot of homage out of is this Colson program of, what do they call it, screw you, replica.
replicas of the authentic reproductions, authorized reproductions or something of the message.
So if you send a message about Hungarians, they make up 50 of these special reproductions and send it to the Hungarian leaders around the world.
That would have quite an effect too.
I think it's very, I think it's very good that on this thing tonight that we're not putting out a text.
I have a good feeling about them, too.
Absolutely.
I just feel it is here, too.
They'll all piss in the text.
You know, and they can't see it.
And yet when they hear it, it's going to sound pretty good.
It's going to sound good.
And part of the effect of this is going to be the place and the time, of course, and the... Oh, they don't want to be in the drama of the occasion when we're not going to have a text.
But I... No, but I...
They'll love that.
I mean, they'll use that hiding place to be right now.
Right?
Yep.
Well, I think we better go.
We'll meet again tomorrow.