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One or two after our meeting.

discussed the convention and the president indicated that he favored but equally three cities, Miami, Chicago, put them in there, Chicago, Miami, and San Diego in alphabetical order, and that he would leave the decision for the site committee, whichever one they recommended, the president would be glad to accept it.

He thought that each had advantages and he would be happy to go to either one of the three.

That way you get the advantage that we've got of being for all three.

You should indicate that to the press and that lets it ride for a week and lets the convention manage that.

Or do you want to not say anything after this?

We're going to be done.

We're going to make the choices.

I know you are, but what I meant is that there's a chance for it could be story on it.

I'm going to ask you to give a story and say something.

If you had some reason why you didn't want a story on this or anything,

Well, I think with that approach, it's fine.

Sure, okay.

That's what I'm going to do.

I'm going to walk out saying the president wants to go to San Diego.

No, I saw that.

No, but his memorandum said, Bob, which is the other, it said he didn't want a story if I indicated that I hated Miami, I mean, San Diego, because that would preempt the meeting.

On the other hand, if I said that he asked what I wanted, my advice to the site committee, and I asked the site committee to consider these three, that any one of the three was acceptable to me,

But I thought each had an advantage.

You see, anyone who's acceptable, I would be delighted to have a convention.

Anyone of the three.

I'm leading the decisions.

The second committee will accept their decision.

That would imply that you selected those three for them to choose from.

Don't you want it to be that the chairman reported to you that those are the three?

Right.

Well, that's what does go down.

All right, fine.

You said these are the three that are running.

And I said, well, any one of the three is acceptable to me.

I now leave it to the site committee to make the choice of the tree.

And that's why we played it, because you never have told me anything else.

You've always said, Trevor, we do.

In Miami.

But I think it's well for you to say that you discussed it.

And you can get a story.

And those three cities that I favor, any one of the three, at least have been nailed into their disappointment later on.

And having said that, I think we're probably going to go to San Diego.

And I'm not going to say that.

You're going to say, we don't say that.

We're going to say, you're going to say that.

And you're going to say, we don't say that.

Take it out of there.

They decided to move in another direction.

Sorry for the name.

I think you understand the rest of it, but up to that, I understand that you told them there might be San Diego from right here, but that's up to them.

I want you to clear it.

I think you actually told them they might end up in Miami, but we're gonna visit some of them and go ahead and just call them on the phone and tell them you might end up in Miami.

Is that right?

Why?

Why would that happen?

Well, they were there before, but they are, we had to go back to San Diego, and I think we can meet requirements.

Because I noticed your memorandum.

A little flag on it from some guy in New York.

You had to sleep on that in Morristown before.

Is that right?

Yeah.

And that power facility.

It's a hotel.

Well, it's not one of our stuff.

You know, we've taken up now 15,000 rooms.

They're making $600,000.

And we're going to take care of the power with one good color television and all this.

Is it really the power of our building after Bill was there last week?

Yeah.

It's going to cost $100,000.

At least take care of some of the problems.

They put a carrier in there or something.

That's what we need to do.

They use, they do do that.

I don't know what they do.

They put a carrier in there.

They put a big shell in there.

Just bring the lines in.

Actually, the powder's there.

It's available with the internet line.

It's really a great city for families.

For example, there's a family facility.

The client would be great.

They'll have fun there, of course.

And her, tell me, in San Diego, 83% of the people want the convention.

Do they?

That was an interesting thing.

Your friend, Kurt, you know, the old... Yeah, that's the old guy.

It showed 84% of the Democrats favored San Diego and 75% of the Republicans.

It's a higher Democratic.

I'm going to say two things about the Republicans.

Of all the site cities, though, I think San Diego is a better Republican organization.

There are more Republicans in San Diego County, Orange County, than in Chicago or Florida or anywhere else.

It is a Republican.

It's a Republican-focused territory.

You're always ready to answer.

Who's the big Republican at the Royal Inn?

It's going to be the headquarters hotel.

Oh, boy, don't get me into that.

It's a hotel.

Oh, no.

Too many friends, though.

I have a friend at the Royal Inn of America.

He's a dedicated Republican.

He's been very nice to us on the Royal Inn.

Who's, uh, which one is our host?

Let's see.

The Westgate Plaza.

The Westgate Plaza is probably where our host is.

You want to have to stay?

No, I'm sorry.

That's going to be the solution.

I've got a perfect situation.

That's a very good solution.

It will be a monumental couple of big problems that don't relate to the site committee type things.

They relate to our internal problems.

One is going to be the question of you doing something that's inclementing

which is people are going to expect to be invited up to San Clemente somehow, and I don't know how we're going to handle that, because you're talking about 3,000 to 4,000 people.

And the other is the question of host committee, whether that becomes a Reagan committee as contrasted to a Logan area committee, and they're going to get into the factional disputes in California on the host committee question.

Well, it's not quite a forceful

Well, the problem is that the most young it is, but the most committee gets a huge batch of tickets and controls a bunch.

We can control them and take care of the country.

We can go back and make the traditions we do.

Now, you just together with the Italian gentlemen and all have a big convention.

Do you review the site as actually on a three-day convention?

Is it normally three or four years?

Normally four, I think.

The 21st and 24th are the proposed dates, which is about six weeks after the Democratic convention.

We could probably reduce it to three, but we couldn't have it any fewer days because the platform committee and all the other committees had to go through some of the formalities and talk about TV coverage, and I think we could cover it in three days.

Which would cover one day.

You suggested maybe two days, but we don't see how we can do it in three days.

I don't think you can.

The networks are looking at the ABC format of just an hour and a half wrap-up every night, rather than continuous coverage.

So we're waiting.

By God, they ought to.

It's a big one.

There's also a stadium there we can, I don't know, go do the final meeting, but let's see, 54,000.

That's right, plus another channel.

And no problem on Twitter.

Let's see if that looks good.

No problem on Facebook.

So if you want to go outside, you can do that, except that Kennedy did that just in terms of TV, and it's terrible to say.

But you lose it on TV, right?

Yes, that's right.

If you're going to have an audience,

Well, if it's speaking to the stadium, it's no good.

Or you don't get the impulse factor.

You don't have the reverberation.

It's better to have it in a hall.

But on the other hand, you might have something in the stadium, a little parade, fireworks.

Just do something that's fascinating.

Just consider it.

I think with one, getting back to California, I think as long as everybody understands that the National Committee will have

have some control of the convention.

We can avoid a lot of the factional things in California.

You've got the 90 and the Finch and different people who are on the road, you know.

And we want to be in a position to tell them that, you know, we're going to run a convention and still keep them all together.

Because there is a little choosing of sides going on in California, you know.

74.

We have heard about that.

That happens.

Do you think they completely overlooked 72 in that statement?

There's going to be anything happening.

They're all talking about 74.

Governor and Senator.

Governor, Senator, Governor and Senator.

God, that's a long, far way.

Yeah, but they're all running full tilt today.

We have both Goldwater and Rockefeller on the program.

It's probably in Denver in our national city.

That's great.

First time the lawyer has addressed a national debate since he ran for president.

He mentioned that to me.

I was very happy to hear that.

I remember it well.

It's right to ask.

I just think it's the ridiculousest thing I've been having.

It's a great way to mention it.

Good.

We tried to get Reagan on, too.

He has a speech in San Diego Friday.

This is good, though.

You've got two former presidents in the back.

Money is living better in the country.

Even before the China thing happened.

I think this has possibilities.

Usually you can't speculate on it.

Well, we're plagued.

We have to do that because of the tragedy.

But let me say, there will be plenty of speculation in the press when this bothers them.

And it's all over the place.

But the one, you can tell, one that really bugs people in this economy and other stuff, they start bringing up last week's policy motion.

Everybody was very tender about it.

I think 19 senators were running for re-election.

And is there any chance that if you want to be offensive, Mr. Moore thinks that Schultz or Connolly could say, you know, what do you think?

I think he's the best one because he's so effective and he's positive and so forth.

What do you think Maury can do?

I don't know.

As I was saying, this is the first thing we'll talk about.

Well, if you've got any thoughts as to how either Schultz or

But particularly, Shultz is good at it, and I control it for him.

Conner is extremely good at it, and I kind of hold it for him.

But I think among our own people who are getting nervous and sometimes say things, if even Shultz can calm down one or two at a time, particularly those 19 that we're running, just have a physical... All right, well, why don't you arrange this?

Why don't you just arrange to bring the 19 senators?

Yeah, maybe I shouldn't do it, but maybe Pete Dominick, who's the Senate campaign... Why don't you follow up on that?

All right.

And George is willing.

He told me yesterday about me.

I do it immediately.

I have the 19 come down and have George give them a briefing.

George is very good with that kind of group, too.

Seeing a small group, he's really very effective.

I think this, again, what Beatrice said, at least they've had a feeling for David.

Because he knows all the answers.

He's a real actor.

He's a real pro.

You want to follow up on that?

Yes.

And you talked about Dominic.

And if you see a group of houseguys there,

that are the leader types that would like to come down.

Why don't you take the lead on that yourself and say, well, let's get down to groups.

We can get down to groups of our Republican House people.

Let us several groups.

Let Schultz do it.

Why don't you set up a series of meetings?

You could have 20, 20 others.

Well, maybe 25 at a time.

I don't know.

You've got 20 meetings that way, haven't you?

Maybe you want to go to a conference that's not as good as, how many do you have?

30 to 40?

No.

I think about 20, 25 is the amount.

20 House members and six or eight Senators.

Of course, you get the Senators very quickly.

I think you could get the Senators.

If you could bring them, I think you could bring them and the whole 19 together.

And I'd bring the House members in clubs of about 25 each, but to start with the leaders.

I don't know how to lead them.

I think once we had four, we had Latin, all the Senate head, all the Senate members.

Yeah.

and that's on the economy.

The general secretary brought down again on that basis and showed it's going to be before the economy.

Let's get that done immediately before they go away in August.

And see if you can also arrange several house groups to come down before they go away in August.

You're certainly not going to make a bad speech on Wednesday.

I'm trying to cut down.

Otherwise, I think you can go along pretty well.

We're still running the road a lot, aren't we?

The Milwaukee Sunday interaction, it was a national county official meeting, and the China thing was all they wanted to discuss.

It's only a hundred percent.

Really?

That'd be about 60% of Democrats.

The main thing there is to be, you know, when we say no speculation, be very positive about it.

Oh, right.

This is a hell of a thing, you know.

This is great leadership and all that sort of thing.

These are the things that play a big role.

He made some national news the other day.

That was a great meeting in Kansas City.

Nothing suggests that we ought to, I don't want to, we didn't.

that speculation business that wouldn't be there.

That forces the Chinese into a position publicly where they can't help us.

That's the game.

Now, we just aren't going to say that they are or they aren't.

That's just like on time.

I'm not going to say anything about anything.

But just say, well, we're going to discuss everything.

Period.

I'm going to go to Vietnam.

I'm going to start on time.

Maybe I should do that now.

You might read something into it.

I don't think you ought to start there.

See, I didn't.

The question is always the chairman.

When do you go?

In August.

And they've asked me to stop.

Have you said, have you answered?

You said no.

You haven't yet?

Yeah.

And I'd be helpful if I did stop.

There's some problems.

There are a number of people, Mr. President, who, I don't know how many, but there have been several that have come out of the woodwork who

have had plans to go there, to go to Taiwan on other trips, you know, as a part of the trip.

And I just, you sure don't want a wave of people canceling.

No, no, I want to go to Taiwan all of a sudden.

Well, I don't want to.

That's why I said if you had agreed to go, you should go.

You may still want to go.

The problem is I don't go there anymore.

As a senator from Kansas, I'm always the chairman of the Republican Party, which is a reflection of the residents.

And maybe I should go for that reason to indicate that there's no problem, but...

We're gonna go around and drive around, essentially, Vietnam.

But certainly nobody else is gonna, nobody should dance.

As far as you're concerned, why don't you check in with Mr.

Chair, wait two or three days until he gets a chance to pick up on you, and then see whether or not you want to go.

Can you do that?

It might be useful for you to go, and it might not be if this depends on

How many others are going to run it all out?

I mean, there's no problem with going except for the fact that we don't, the fact that you aren't the chairman of the committee, therefore that you might have to report to the public statements that would inevitably do this in turn for you.

Like, we're sort of, you know, we're sort of treating people with Tylenol.

You're still our friend.

It's just a question of whether it appears to be

But I would say, I think that it's very important that we continue to hammer the peace issue strongly.

But these guys talk about Vietnam as much as they want.

That's GOP, Generation of Peace, that's what we mean.

And I think, you see what I mean?

The Democrats are Democratic friends.

Another thing, don't let them get all of the vote on the Pentagon case.

Why not?

That's sort of...

You should just constantly keep digging into that issue.

You see, you are doing it, I question you.

It shows what they did and so forth and so on.

Not in terms of Johnson, but in terms of Kennedy, and in terms of, of course, the conduct of Muskie and some of these other people.

But they, it's the old story.

We've got to connect that issue, our issue, the peace issue, it's got to be ours.

The economic issue could be ours, too.

But right now, it's tough.

But next year, we think it will be good.

It's just the way it is.

It damn well better be.

Next year, the important thing is whether the numbers move in the right way.

This whole business of psychology, Bob, you know, changes very dramatically in terms of the economy, too.

Basically, the problem now, despite some pockets, pockets in Southern California, in Michigan, Wichita, the economy basically is good.

It really is.

And we look at it in terms of 94% of the people are working in the highest wages and all that sort of thing.

The problem is that our Democratic friends are asking for trouble, and they get great assistance from the press in making it appear bad.

And so it's hammering constantly, as you always do with this war issue.

See, they're gonna come back now with another accelerated public works thing with Appalachian ADA in there.

They're gonna try to water it down.

They're gonna keep the pressure on, of course.

So they feel we can't sustain the veto, so they're gonna come back with less.

They're gonna come back with one that's less.

They're gonna lose three or four if they do or didn't.

So our Republican Senate, right,

Senator Cooper's working on some little compromise now to do something and still not be subject to veto.

I think it's one that we can take.

It might cost half a million dollars or so.

Or half a billion.

Half a billion.

What do you do to speak up to each other?

Then you take it to the house and you need it some more, I don't know.

It's also misguided because it doesn't create any doubt, you know, at the time you need it.

To the point that we ought to make more is the one you made in Kansas City on revenue sharing, or the one you made in the senior citizen of Chicago, I saw that.

That's a property tax, isn't it?

You get it down to the property tax, and then you've got an attracting issue

Otherwise, as most people understand, right, if you're sharing anyway, they have no idea what it does, except that they know the mayors and governors want money, so they're for it.

The effects of the taxpayer, as you said, in Chicago, then you strike a response in court.

It's the only one that makes any difference to people.

Right, they don't care about it.

They know the governor wants money, the mayor.

Why shouldn't it be for it?

The county commissioner.

Yeah, it's not popular.

Yeah, it's going to be a dance box.

And that's where the votes are, and I think that's where the gold is in that measure.

One thing of course, the China issue is just enormously for the president to defuse the war regime.

They're gonna have one hell of a time, because they're gonna be scared to death.

I imagine your Democratic friends are a little worried.

I think even Teddy made a statement about it yesterday.

Yes, he practically had an orgasm.

Yeah.

He finally moved it.

Teddy fell all over himself.

Magnificent move by the president.

He just babbled on and on.

Great leadership.

He was a great advisor.

I can't say everything.

I guess he kind of did something wrong.

I think he did it.

I think he wasted it.

And he's very active.

He never sleeps at all until he drinks the water.

He's very active.

He does everything right, it seems to me, except, you know, he goes in the river.

He got paid attention, but he was smart enough to go all out on that without boogling to where Bussies trusted him.

He didn't go too big, but, well, he seemed to have a good sense of humor and other kinds of things.

Of course, Hubert said he had to put it on a scale.

Of course, Hubert stopped and said, I'm sure you could not go along with this strong point.

Hubert's not a bad fellow in any sense of humor.

He said, you're going to attack every week, but you don't attack me or them or your streets, and they're going to make the water.

So we worked out a foundation plan, but we were not getting hired or anything before 300.

On the one hand, it's hard, but on the other hand, it's a mess.

So I told them, we've got to just remember that as Republicans, you know, we, our Republicans generally have a tendency

They've got to make some of the positive statements, basically.

And if they know what they are, I think they can show us business with them and give us imagination.

That's about the simple term.

in Oregon, 64 to 24, against him, might want to support the president.

What's that, I would think he would have, well, he doesn't, I haven't, yeah, but he doesn't.

Is that it?

Yeah, because I haven't seen him in the past, and that's one where he could have gotten.

I mean, he wouldn't have gotten.

I guess we have a problem with some of our people that are naturally worried about time.

And that's perfectly all right.

It's a problem where, you know.

But they all came on and read it and moderated it.

Sure.

Well, and then also you have to realize that a move as big as this, there are great forces in there.

But you're looking at 800,000 to 17,000.

We're doing our very best to save Taiwan if we can.

Great question.

Is there anything, Mr. President, we ought to be doing in saying that we're not the same group?

Sure.

You are.

Peace, I think, primarily.

I keep on the peace issue strong.

As a matter of fact, you ought to tell all the people to keep it.

See, the Democrats aren't talking about it anymore.

Isn't that great?

The answer is not at all.

They can talk about it.

See my point?

If the issue is going for us, say, gee, aren't we doing great?

You take Vietnam, for example.

This is the war they got us into.

This is the war we're in now.

And they sabotaged us all along the way trying to get out.

I mean, by they, the left, the candidates.

They cracked the hell out of us.

And it's quite true.

We're working on our pledging to the committee.

That's good.

That means you're in.

I think that was a hard office.

He's a great spokesman.

One thing I thought was frankly unfortunate, and of course that's repeated, but I gave him a statement about the, what did you think of it?

It was unfortunate that he had my speech ready.

It's not too bad, because we agree on pretty well those things.

But the difficulty, and here's what I should have considered, I should have said, I was speaking to the Spine and African leaders in Africa.

I think all black Americans in the United States are going to be proud of their African heritage.

See, one of you said, and I made it positive, but of course, now we all know that, of course, he did, first of all, he's looking at two different origins in Africa, basically to see the African in Africa, the black in Africa, because these are blacks.

He has no problem with inferiority complex or anything else.

The black in the United States, in place with whites, he has a hell of a problem.

Therefore, he's a different animal.

If you put the black in the United States, in Africa, he'd tower over those guys.

You see my point?

Now, I guess it wouldn't be so negative.

It would be a lot more likely to be positive if you were running the black.

But you're going to have to finesse that one, if you can.

I met with the black.

The top black people in the administration this week, they really want to help.

They're proud to be part of the team, and they want to do something, and they're very good people.

And with Art Fletcher coming on, then we'll have a conduit, and we'll start taking on with me the meetings.

Let's go along and put him in the program somewhere and really expose these people.

They're good people.

You're going to help me in some way out of the women in the administration, which I see is still keeping us around on that.

We don't know how many of us are that many now.

We need to elect a black congressman when we need to do it.

We don't have one.

We don't have one yet.

Senator Lee took a reelection and is busy with that.

We hope to help.

And then the Mexican-Americans, I think, probably have potentially some strength there.

And it's been suggested by the new U.S. treasurer on the

Minority, if they're black or Mexican.

That'd be great.

I've talked to Conley about it.

He's going to give me a recommendation.

Don't worry.

But then you really get somebody out front where they're high up.

But I think generally, as far as women are concerned, this administration's done a lot.

What we really need is a Mexican woman Jew.

How would that be?

They are under 18 to 21.

We noticed that somebody was selling technology.

Oh, yeah.

They were selling...

I guess we've got some imagination.

This is great.

What do the young people think?

Oh, you know, it's great.

They don't understand it all, but this means it makes sense for real.

We've really got to do something.

Well, we're all one up on the Manseel Amendment, but we shouldn't have run up that draft.

Volunteer Army.

Hero Grand College.

How many are there?

Seven.

Seven?

Yeah.

Great.

Do you think you like the place?

There's Peter.

Bill Dillon, because obviously we were gathering.

Bill Dillon knew what it was going to be right up the wall.

Herb was astonished.

They were obviously as concerned as the children in the Senate.

Starting by expressing a prayer that the course laid out by the president will lead to lasting peace with honor.

That was on a positive basis.

Then they said, they started, they heard a little about the president, also seeing the fact that Woodrow Wilson had problems.

problems, and so on.

And wonders about some of the problems there.

So says this is a very heavy handle to take and worry about pressure for settlement for peace.

Cites the president's words about old allies and hopes he will not sell anyone down the river.

Offers him and tribunes hopes for the best.

Closes by saying that the tribune is an independent paper.

Ben Perks says Nolan was a little cooler than when he had seen him earlier in the week, but much more moderate than he had anticipated in calling him.

He sent his best wishes to you, and he had already mailed her to the editorial.

And Jimmy Stallman, he checks on the others because he was a little concerned.

Jimmy Stallman says he supports the president in every effort he can make for peace.

Their editorial says they have had little faith in the Chinese communists, but they feel at this time negotiations which might affect world peace are important.

Solomon remains undiminished in his enthusiasm for the president.

Gee, William, enthusiastic in support of the president's move, personally arranged a front-page editorial in both Indianapolis and Phoenix in support of the program.

And he cited a David Lawrence column which he had just seen, which supports the president and quotes extensively from the Congress in Kansas City.

Felix McKnight said, we're editorially supporting the analog of the president's policy.

He believes that in Dallas, a minimum of 65% would support the president.

Does he recall the exact wording from the Dallas News editorial who believes his position is about the same as the Times-Herald?

I can't imagine that he was out to his brother-in-law's funeral.

He was the leader of the nonprofit.

He said there were a lot of young people there.

He said they were the most

We've got to look at young people as some people's children.

Don't you think so?

Well, I haven't done it.

But you see, really, it's what it's all about.

It's a damn thing.

Who knows what works and what doesn't?

But let's put it this way.

If we do nothing, they're in mortal danger from China.

If we do something, there's a chance.

That's the game.

I think you can really talk to young people.

I really get that.

I mean, that thing you can't do.

That's not, see, that isn't speculation at all.

The only thing that's speculation, if you're concerned about speculation, which speculates how will this affect China toward Russia, how will this affect the other parts of the United States?

Well, obviously, of course it affects the United States.

It puts another player in the game.

But on the other hand, how it affects the United States and China and our relations and our efforts to limit nuclear arms and all that sort of thing, it's essential for the peace of the world.

That's a terribly important point.

That's what you think.

And to be actually, we would say the president's thinking of you, not thinking, not only of getting you sort of out of Vietnam now, but seeing that you aren't involved in something a hell of a lot worse than Vietnam 20 years from now.

That's another point.

And of course, every greedy businessman looks down the road, too, and he sees this business.

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I had that in mind as sort of a wrap-up.

I think they're doing fine in Africa, and I keep on suggesting, on the economic issue, I know the problem they're running into, but our fellows, I think, have got to recognize that a hell of a lot of it is politics, Bob.

You know what I mean?

It's how people feel.

And you can see the black side of it.

But there's an awful lot of good stuff.

Now, frankly, maybe in the name that you can do, Michigan just has its ups and downs.

And it's in one of the down swings now because of the trip around defense and aerospace and the rest of it gets involved.

Southern California, same thing.

They'll come back.

I think by next year, particularly Southern California, will look at a whole lot better mission probably, too.

but the other parts of the country.

There you go.

For the women of South Carolina, it's good to have all these fashionists at my table.

It's a great meeting, 600 people there.

You see all the fashionists.

Thank you.

Oh, thank you.

Take your exhibit here.

Can I talk to you?

I'm a little down-to-earth person, but I'm true.

Oh, sure, sure.

It's all I need.

Women's men, I promise you, they'll get out of this one office case that you have.

Sure.

I'll get this for you.

Thank you.

All right.