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I don't think there's any particular reason that's closed here.

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I know this is Bill Rogers' suggestion to go through all the possibilities to get the right combination of things would be to have Bill Rogers meet him at Andrews and drive back with him and have him come right back to the White House and meet with you to report on the trip and get a photo opportunity of you with him.

All the rest are all the other kinds of things you might do.

The problem is... Well, the problem, we rightly or wrongly, the last time he came back from his Asian tour, cranking him up, we had a huge arrival ceremony with the band of troops and Bill Rogers, the diplomatic corps of the cabinet.

You know, practically a presidential arrival.

What the hell did we do?

I didn't have any idea that it was, that was on his other 18th, you know, last year.

And the reason why I went to the other, the only time I was ever at this one.

And that came out of Latin America, of course, and I was on the other trips.

Be sure.

Yeah.

Well, the real question, and there's going to be a lot of attention on this, of course, is the attempt that they did to downgrade, downgrade the trip and the beef and everything else.

If we, if we don't do anything with it, I think we should do something and get it over with.

The president building up when the president doesn't see him.

Yeah, I agree with all that.

Well, getting in our way, but I don't, I don't, I think the, uh,

The other thing they're concerned about, of course, is that Henry helicoptered in after coming back to China, and he went out to meet him in the helicopter.

And from my view, that's exactly the reason why you don't helicopter the Vice President, because you don't want to just...

It also overreacts.

It looks like we're trying to overreact.

That's about it.

He lands right at the time of the unveiling of the Frank Bowes, I mean the George Mayhaw thing.

So that really worked out pretty well.

He'll be up on the hill and he'll be back by the time he gets back.

That's why he's here.

All right.

Frank's up in Kansas and he's saying he's a diplomat and all that.

I don't know if that was really kind of a trick.

There's really more of them.

I bet people will destroy them.

You know, there's a couple of people in the center.

Oh, he didn't go to public general office.

No, he declined.

Okay.

I marked him on there.

I put a question mark on there.

So if anyone is, what in the hell, why in the hell wouldn't he go?

He had a family there that served his resistance.

You may want to, I don't want to, I may say that he's trying not to have me have to talk with him or the riders, because he's got to talk to them all.

Okay.

Or the riders.

He doesn't do any helicoptering, because he's a no-sir.

We shouldn't get people into that.

You know, we don't want to lose nobody helicoptering.

Yeah.

We don't want to lose anybody.

Elton, that's only for a state of robbery.

All right.

Robbery?

No.

All right.

Well, we're trying to get a mixture of advocacy without looking like you're laying a lot of stuff on or overreacting or something.

I think this is probably the best way to do it.

OK. OK. OK.

Well, he's got, yes, maybe, maybe, he's just got, maybe he's just depressed.

But he hasn't gotten very depressed, but he has, but he has been back to his schedules.

He's been, well, he's been to other countries, but what if he's in our daily schedules?

He's been back until he has not met the people.

Now, all he really has is children, and he's met a bunch of not meeting anybody.

And, because he's

He spent a lot of time in his hotel room and nobody knew where he was going.

And a lot of times when he was gone, he said, what a straight face you've got.

And that's, I mean, the thing out of that.

The, uh, the reaction, that's right, the leaders and all have been good.

I mean, he's had good meetings and conducted himself well and all that sort of thing.

But, uh, he had that one...

They just didn't know the country where they landed, you know, or who they were in the Air Force.

I'm not sure what would happen to us because these guys were under control.

It's great to follow up on this.

There's a thing now within the Secret Service where the vice president of people here says, at our detail, he says our detail lets the staff overrun, overrule.

And as far as I understand, they shouldn't do that.

So he still goes through that.

He has to transfer to Secret Service at the end of the day.

That's what they want to do.

His staff overrule the Secret Service on those things.

And the Secret Service guy went to the Vice President and got the staff overruled.

Isn't that right?

No, we're not going to have a Secret Service.

They're not there for that purpose.

They're not there to do what I say every time.

They're not there.

Our guys are game cooperators.

They try.

They do what they're entitled to do, but they sure try to work with us.

The question is somewhat different than the way it goes, but the common point is that McNamara has already lobbied for the job.

Or a lobby for it.

whichever way, but the point is he's going to get it.

There is an effort to get it done early, and there is a plan at the September meeting that one will vote to renew his contract.

McInerney does not want that done.

He doesn't want his contract renewed, and he doesn't have the support of our government.

According to him, he has the support of all the other governments, or virtually all of them.

His argument, therefore, is that

If it's inevitable, we might as well do it graciously and, and in the process, get them hooked into it.

We already seem to do it from a political viewpoint.

The way it can be done is simply to go out and get the words back in the mail without, I did, in a public announcement, if it's going to be done without, uh, without, uh, doing anything, I have other words to give home before you leave home.

I'll come with them, bring them in, and you talk to them.

I think you can compromise that and let Connolly talk to them and just say, yes, we do have a few dudes.

I have a presence to support.

Yeah, you've got to get it.

I think it's the problem.

And it is the problem.

So, hold on.

This isn't going to do any good.

I just don't want to be in a situation where the public is supporting.

And there's a low case of course when we go off.

Okay.

It has been a very dirty thing that I've done, because we don't have enough votes to block it.

If we could make an all-out offensive, it would probably overthrow it.

So we have to do a strong, strong, and a little looser process.

Also, John is fairly strong.

He said Henry is very strong, but he can make Marion think he's better than anybody we can get from some other country.

Or from the U.S. And then the U.S. candidates would be bad.

Connolly's other view is, and he said before, that what we really need is to keep McNamara in this, and we ought to cut the goddamn banks.

We ought to get out of this world bank business, multinational bank business, and into the bilateral financial dealings, so we get some screws.

That's right.

Because the way you put it, with Barclay, or whatever his name is, and, uh, that's right, and, uh, McNamara, they have all the power instead of Arkin.

That's right.

And we get back to bilateral.

He's right.

So his view is, go along with it, be gracious about it, give him the mildest out of his hand by doing that.

Alright, I'm going to close this off and end with this one.

Alright, go ahead.

I don't like that idea.

Well, I'm going to try to come up with something.

I'm trying to look at it.

Let it go.

Okay.

You've got to look at it.

It's not a problem.

It's a big problem.

What are we going to do about it?

It's not a problem.

This particular point in time.

So we don't have to do anything for a few weeks.

Sometimes before September you do.

And residents create an awkward situation and get rolled anyway.

Might as well move in and make it look like you're positive.

If you can do it, you can even trust McNamara.

It's a private issue.

You can tell him privately, we don't support this reelection, but it is important that it not be.

I guess the action statement is perhaps a part of our own creation.

You know, he built him up after the, after the, you know, he, his prep thing in 1972 or, well, of course, he also sang on his world tour, you know, and he let him have his way pretty much.

He really played for him.

Well, that encouraged him to be built up.

He really tried to make a very big mess, but the vice president did it all.

This thing has not been played well by him.

He could have done so much.

There's just one little thing.

He doesn't have your kind of energy.

He's got it at you, right?

He doesn't, he can't handle it publicly, you know.

You can't gear yourself up the way you can to go.

But, you know, if you visit each country, then one symbolic thing, whether it's a university or a hospital or at all, a reconstruction project or a housing project.

Yeah, they're all sort of five-year plans saying they're agriculture reform centers or whatever it is.

I know it's certainly not good, and I'm not going to under-welcome it.

The next before, if I did it before, when he had to bear it relatively good press, and I do it now, everybody will say, well, Frank, I'm doing it in order to compensate for what's screwing it up.

That's just the wrong thing.

Nobody thinks you want to go out.

Well, I don't care.

What you can't do is you can't, you know, take a helicopter out just at the last minute.

You can't go out there and have a helicopter.

Why?

You can't do it.

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I just don't think it's all that big on the actual thing.

I don't think it's all that big.

He said, one of the things they did at 6 a.m. and subsequently is the assumption on part of some of our people that by appearing to stand away from the vice president, somehow the attacks on him won't rub off on us.

The vice president does well in the administration, especially when he's under attack.

That's right, but I don't think he can overreact to that.

What he's worried about, and he makes the point that if the vice president should suddenly have to take over the nation's duties, it would be a national crisis.

And, uh, he just, he just declared that he was afraid that we did not allow the present situation to be heard.

And, uh, he made it right about that.

I mean, what is it?

What is it?

Oh, that's interesting.

I think it's one thing that helps you get, that's like, everybody said it rose up, so I could do a third term and the nation would be confident that it won't.

And, uh,

I think there would be an answer to that question.

But I think there is an answer to that question.

What do we know about it?

Which goes to the reasoning of

What do you do about that?

That's inevitable because there's more and more talk about it not going to even the people that are then backing you up.

You must be, you must be safe.

I'm just talking now.

We have people here, well, if there was...

It's weird, I've got to say, I don't know why we're on here, I have my whole film, but it's just, he's been lingering, and I'm like, this is obvious, and hell, this is, and it's not, it's not, it's true, it's just, in fact, it's, yeah, we run 55, it wasn't like this, but, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know,

Don't miss it.

Correct.

You're right.

Because you'll get to work on that, uh, channel.

Basically give me, uh, a, you know, a schedule for the radio series starting with this, uh, you know, theme.

It's getting off to the end.

You've got Price and Sapphire together.

I think that's what you, you know, these two are working on.

Right.

Well, this is the one of our discussions that's our most fun.

Well, let's get there.

What point do we call it?

Maybe you could be with us some time today.

You know, it's a theme.

You call it, I mean, I think that Travis is simply saying, well, let's just sort of put it into speech and start to work and then call it something.

That may be the thing to do.

But I'm inclined to think we're sometimes perhaps a little too afraid of our own impact and that sort of thing.

We don't need to build it up big, but I think the idea of having it regular and having it stereo, so you agreed with that for an instance, as I recall.

I think it's good to have it stereo, but I wouldn't commit to making it regular.

I think you're going to get yourself trapped in something you're not going to want.

Not every week, yeah.

I wouldn't tell.

Not weekly, not every week.

Good, okay.

But I think you can say, the first of the series of plans, of radio addresses to the nation, on the American spirit, or whatever it is, or the agenda for the nation, or whatever it is, it's got to be 71.

Here is 71.

You might pick up on that.

Maybe you pick up on the Bicentennial.

Say that was what launched the year of the Bicentennial era.

It continues during the radio talks on the period of 76 during the Bicentennial era.

That's not enough.

Basically it did not squeeze to the seal settlement in Kansas City.

Okay, well, how'd you do that?

And then, I'll take a look at that part and I'll try to get some of that business.

But if I could get a, get a base of four or five, that would be the dignity of work for Labor Day.

That would be a good time to do the dignity of work and

I sure do.

That's a darn good idea.

Well, I don't know if he's done any annual work.

He's been doing stuff for other people.

And we had to do a thing on analysis on the 99 pages, which is about 89% bullshit.

We would have been better off not to have gone to the hospital.

I want to see some families here who spend the rest of their lives building up for the future.

And maybe they do not.

Who is using him?

Colton.

Well, let's be sure to call him.

All right.

I don't know.

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If all the other demons are wrong with you, you should not.

The real question is whether you should, you know, hurt them or go to those.

You should ignore them completely and pretend you don't need them.

Or apply a reprimand.

In fact, why would you take that?

If this thing is wrong, you should not rub off on it.

The general view is that that's wrong.

If that hurts you more than it does him, you should stop it.

I'm just going to get it in the report.

It's a very good thing.

I'll come back.

It's perfectly natural.

It's not overdone.

It's not awkward.

Nobody's going to say you ignored it.

Nobody's going to say you really went out.

He always reflects around his body.

We have

I haven't seen any.

It's an idea about CBS that's been directed.

It's a remarkable idea.

Well, it really is, and it's... Chuck, this is almost embarrassing.

They did a thing the other day that was practically sickening, and it was so...

So, uh, much the way we wanted it, and... All right.

If you talk about it like that, I'm not sure if you've met about this, my suggestion of having to erase it early.

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It would indicate a lack of confidence in the neighborhood.

What did you all decide?

Well, that's, that's, it's a, it still comes up with a mixed bag.

There's a, obviously a problem with the change, the overriding problem is, is lack of confidence for the public interest that it would have.

On the other hand, riding with it, if you can't keep it in, if I left it, it's also a problem.

George,

He fully recognizes that.

Doesn't argue that point at all.

Understands exactly what the concern is.

He, yeah.

Ideas will lead to the Fed.

George has the same reaction I did.

That Harvard was going to crumble into dust in about an hour and a half.

And that he really wouldn't be of much value to you there.

He has contracts beginning at strong.

George felt strongly that if you moved Paul out, you should make her Stein chairman.

Her sign is damn good, and also is quite close to, on a personal basis, to McCracken.

It's a very personal sign, too.

And that, uh, there's a real danger if McCracken left, that sign would leave also.

And then you would have a problem.

Although, you can turn problems to, I mean, you could also turn to the other one and just say, yeah, that's right, we don't make

But, boy, that thing, that's changing your whole ring out.

I know they were ready to line around out of the old field.

If you talk about the time, the fish will show up.

He's not, he's not, he's not, he's not, he's not, he's not, he's not, he's not, he's not, he's not, he's not, he's not, he's not, he's not, he's not,

We talked a little about that thing that Harper had written about the equity and confidence and all that.

George understood that, agreed with that.

In that area, it's such a considerable advantage of George.

He had seen the memo and John sent it to him, but I covered that idea.

It was easy because it also did comment on an effect that the sheriff was saying, you know, you're right, you're right.

Yeah, and those were both calculated decisions, so it wasn't a matter of, I know they're doing anything wrong.

Yeah, absolutely.

What's your view about the version of more activists and all that sort of thing?

I mean, you go over the previous view.

His view is that we can...

that we are activists, that our failure is not in lack of action, but in lack of apparent action.

Right.

And that, maybe by staying steady as you go, or that we aren't going to make any changes, we've made a mistake, and that somehow what we've got to say is that what we are doing is action.

Right.

Without changing what we're doing.

In other words, change what we're saying, or the way we're saying it, but don't change what we're doing.

Because what we're doing is still, is right.

Now that memo shows, for instance, that people are for wage and price control, that they should move for wage and price control.

I think that's a function of the desire for activism, and the only active step that the media is talking about is control.

And people just want you to do something that's the only thing they know of.

I think once they've got it, they wouldn't like it any better than they like not having it.

Oh, Christ.

They need to be off.

Yeah, I understand that.

You reach another conclusion.

So what about this business of having an economic growth?

It's a better idea to get it off.

Yeah, I think it is.

I think it is.

They have it.

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We have a sapphire animal, but as we all know, sapphire is no strategist.

He's a cataclysmic.

He's a one-shot man.

I continue to advocate that you can write a man with a strategy of favor, but you can never come up with a reason.

I have this one.

I've had a thick soul since I was a kid.

I'm glad to be in this economic club.

It's really, really good.

It's a hell of a lot better than I made in the record.

It's a hell of a lot better.

I've done good.

I've had a number of good ones here.

I've had a number of good ones.

It's an emergency call.

It's bad, much bigger than any of the other hand burners.

He's done enough bad to keep you going.

Good, if I have any balls, I'd care to feed them hard to burn.

There's plenty more on that.

Could I suggest that after going through this drill the last three days, the one thing that's still missing is, I think he was earlier than me, Colton.

Well, that's not, not so...

Maybe Peterson would be good to bring down there, so I'm not planning to do it.

I'm just not going to compromise it.

Okay, but what I'm getting at is the focusing, the focus on, say, now there are four things we want to do.

Maybe it's like, on an 80s end, we want to attack them.

On a 70s end, a positive end might be the man of peace, the world leader, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.

I think we should determine now, certainly before the 1st of September, what we should be doing on some of us now.

What are our goals?

what are our goals, what do we need to get across, and then, and then if we can give responsibility, and I think that it occurs to me that in the White House staff, or in the terms of follow-up, basically we've got yourself early when it's cold, because there's a different feeling.

And there, if you take these various things that we have,

We just follow along like that.

I mean, quite a bunch over in Colton.

Sides we probably have all.

I mean, I have my second and third and whatever.

I tell you that.

I don't know.

It's just a little bit more to me.

It is as long as it falls on the face of the human being.

And he was asking about the OED.

And he said, obviously, that's really good.

So, a lot of times, he's all stirred up about California political stuff.

He just can't get him out of that.

It's brave to do that.

I don't know.

That isn't a problem is it?

I don't know.

I think he's got

You just get into where you're doing nothing.

You just continue to run around getting interviews from people and so forth.

And now he's starting to get the brand again.

He said he's coming to business after the election.

He's got a lot of big job offers now.

It gets kind of pathetic when a guy like that has a lot of offers.

He must not do this.

Okay.

I'm trying to think of when I get Mitchell in here.

Maybe.

We've got everything all set now.

We're going to do this thing.

Figure that out for Wednesday.

That's a good time, right?

Now, I don't want, I don't want a huge book this time.

I just say funny questions.

Funny most likely questions.

And then they, you know, do it in the other way.

And if you can, you can get it out to me.

So, I don't think it's that long, but you know, it's a pretty good thing.

We're going all the way back to the plane starting today.

Yeah.

That's the problem on it.

If it would be ready to go on Tuesday, we'll do it Tuesday at 4 o'clock.

How Tuesday?

Wednesday anyway.

Wednesday, yeah, I will plan.

I plan to go on to, I'm going out to New York that night to see Trish.

Don't think about that, but we're, and we just plan to go back and do this thing around 3 o'clock and fly to New York.

Yeah, there's no problem.

And it's a lot of good reasons.

It's like you have a design, you get an input for it, you have a question.

You've got to read the chart.

You've got a lot to think about.

Yeah.

You know, I haven't been with you for some time, but just going through this, it's really remarkable how the space of 10 days, 12 days, has changed the whole dialogue in terms of the funding channel and the adoption, and just a lot of trade virtually in the area.

Yeah, and that's it.

Yeah, because it was the baseline.

On page 9 of the New York Times, way down low, was the same thing.

That the Soviet Unionists had launched a new attack into Cambodia.

They had 10,000 troops that moved into Cambodia, the story says.

And it was on page 9, and at the bottom of the column, and I think about that long.

If that had been two months ago, or four months ago, that would have been eight columns in their head.

The Soviet Unionists attacked Cambodia.

Today, the Cambodian troops have launched an attack, cut off another supply line.

You don't even hear it.

It just barely makes a little inside impact.

And it is amazing.

It's totally changed.

And now all the discussion is what kind of, you know, everybody's getting news and information on what kind of things are good.

One thing that's really rather remarkable is Kevin Phillips.

I don't understand it.

He has a strange sort of, well, he's always kind of a little bit, but he comes around saying, well, this is just a kickback.

It does this group, and that group, and the rest of the group.

But it's generally, it's generally bringing him a positive piece.

You know what I mean?

He's an odd guy.

He finds his back and forth on everything.

I just want to remind you again.

I want to have a group in here now.

And particularly, the documents concerning the Bay of Pigs, I'll just be a minute, the Bay of Pigs, the Bureau of Constitution, Berlin, and the whole business of the Johnson and Kennedy administration, having in mind that stuff will be burned off any event.

We're not around, see?

In other words, many studies lie back off, like they did in the Pentagon Papers, but I want to get those documents.

I'm supposed to have access to the bombing project, but I'm supposed to be taking over.

So will you?

Now will you take the thing?

Yeah, you tell me.

If I get probed as a man or somebody over there, that is definite silence to be given, and I will expect that to be followed out.

So that's in my...

I don't know whether that means you want to keep him around.

John, I'm sure you want to talk to him about it.

We have arrived, sir.

I want you to tell me if the rockers can come back.

Some people go out.

Yeah.

You can get the rockers.

The ambassador here, the congressman, should all go out.

That's right.

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I think, I don't think it hurt if one or two went out.

Yeah, it would be a nice thing to go on to the office.

Get, uh, you know, Roger Morton or a couple of people.

Yeah, I'm on call.

If you look at it, people would be afraid.

Once you're around, that's how it is.

If you're free, you're expecting a change, but you're not.

You might have to go out and look for an address when you return.

Roger, you can keep going on.

What else?

I don't know.

Our strength has gone here.

We've got zero in.

So we've got our strength there.

We talked about it last night.

I tried to, sitting in there as an observer, make my evaluation.

I think, and that's the way I created pictures, it seems to be that in the overall budget thing, and certainly in the tax area, and really the whole thing, what they have done,

They laid for us a market for a buffet table of all kinds of things, and showed them to me.

And that was fine, and I could do what all the men were, but what they really should do, I'll throw the fleas together, I'll bring the fleas to you, and serve them to you, and say, here's what we selected.

I want them to work for us with what they, now that they've heard me mention a few things that I don't want to do, like my daycare salary, and other things that we do want to do.

Maybe they ought to sit down and say, now here's a pretty good idea.

But you get, so, to a, to a thing, and George was phrasing that, that you've got, it's a question of how, what you really want to do, and whether it's realistic to, uh, you can take on, you can go to war at some point, and George believed he could.

Uh, but he sees the political unreality of it, that, uh,

We each concern the same thing I am.

That's it.

But to me, the budget that we submit, what we're saying is, you may not need to, but you are saying, that you approve all those great society programs because you're recommending to the Congress that they refund them.

Correct.

And continue to fund them.

Correct.

What you should do, if you want to say to the people the right thing is, go in with a divesting budget that's $20,000 less than it is now.

And because we don't think we ought to do any of this stuff.

Or as take 20 billion out and add 10 billion back into the agreement without a deal.

And go in with a balanced budget.

Yeah.

Make the case for it and all that kind of stuff.

But the question there is whether you're ready to step up and fight that bullet, which means taking on all the congressmen and all the, putting them on employment and all the special interest groups and everything else.

But...

Chris, as far as my argument was, I just don't see how you can ask anybody to do that in an election year.

That's a hell of an approach to take in the city in 73, but it isn't a very good one in 72.

But we've got to be forced in an election year to always do the things that people want.

Just cater to their damn needs and don't learn to do it.

But on the other hand, we're going to make some cuts in that.

I'm trying to screw up family assistance.

Those are smart things to do.

And we're just going to do it.

And if that's the people I send, you've got to be ready for that.

And if you go, you're going to throw 300,000 people out of work.

Sorry, I'm out of here.

But I'm going to do it again.

I'm going to throw 300,000 people out of work.

I don't believe that.

Because the OEO offers, they move a lot of stuff out of OEO in the agency, but they only attend the church.

They still don't fund it through the OEO.

Well, it's quite easy for you to know that.

And even in the industry, there's a way to do that.

How do you get special revenue here?

I've fought some of those problems.

I've been through some of them.

But the thing to do now is just don't forget to work on it.

There's an easy way to do that.

You can leave the OEO and just pay the agency for funding.

It's the idea of what we owe.

It's as simple as that.

The money is impossible to say.

Some of this stuff we get from the courts.

But you know how it is.

They'll find ways to put me back in appropriation.

That picture of George is not true himself.

Yeah, they can't do that.

All the programs and stuff.

He likes to do it.

He enjoys that when we throw down the job card, which he does.

He does that kind of thing.

It's just good stuff.

And he'll do it.

He told me that's probably what he needs.

Unfortunately, there's a lot of times to try to do it.

I don't know.

Hello, I have to leave.

But I'm not going to take a press pool with me.

Now is that clear?

I am not going to take a press pool.

Goldwater could.

He was a candidate or something.

He's raised the question.

He's just raised the question of what we need to do on the basis of, you know, forget it.

You'll cover it.

You can give him a table.

I'm not going to have a press pool.

I'm walking in here with me and this girl.

I just don't want those sons of bitches here.

You can't avoid some kind of service to the press like Bob Mendel's going to be there calling somebody, yes, he's great, he's great, that's different, you know, great.

I don't care about it.

I don't care about any of that, sir, I will get it.

But I don't want to carry it into 50 and, you know, I have to use it.

I'm crucial to that tree, to the tree network, to the wires, and you've got to have the radios in the press holes.

I've never seen any people get it down the tree, and it's always 12.

I'm not going to do it.

I'm not going to take it in there.

The hell with it.

You know what I mean?

They want to sign one.

They can draw and have one.

I would do it.

But I would have more than one.

Or stickers to cover.

Or just give them a tape.

You know what I said?

I told them to take that and they stopped signing.

They stopped signing.

I don't want him to get the idea that we all can have a perfect pool.

I want him to knock it down.

This is it.

Here's your new bank.

Here's the...

We've got it in two ways, but one on one side of the fuselage, we're going to use figures in order to keep the plastic lines of the airplane in this way, that's in full script to keep the block letters, or we can do it both ways, but we're going to use the figures.

There is a ceiling, and there's a tub.

No.

No, that ain't.

Yeah.

Why do you think this is?

These are all up.

They're not really clean enough.

They're decal, right?

But they have to clean it now.

They can't make it decal.

It's time for Saturday, but we can get it.

There's a certain thing on for Saturday.

We need to launch it.

We're going to get it.

Well, we've got them lined for a while.

They're in good shape right now.

Good.

You agree?

Yeah, I do.

Okay.

For one, I don't know why Ron can't do it himself, but there may be a reason for one, just so that he gives a thing, because it is a little different than doing a thing in the White House.

You are on the side.

So, I don't know whether Ron's doing it, but if you come out in a certain space, he's a nun, and let's not report to him on that.

That's right.

Forgive me.

But they have to.

They have to.

Of course, there's a campaign here.

They're completely controlled.

They had a terrible problem with cold water because they had the press started, got boats, and came up the river.

I guess he was there for, he stayed longer period of time.

He stayed over the week, to be honest with you.

So they came up the river to try and cover what he was doing and all that kind of stuff.

And that's what Ron wanted to do was preclude any bullshits, you know, just by having no plans.

And that's it.

I wrote a thing about the river.

The river is not the river.

The lake is anyway.

There's no way they can even get teared out.

I mean, you don't have to be a servant to let them come up with anything.

You don't have to let people in there.

So, now I'm dancing it.

Can I, I'm trying to have a big advantage game in there.

I don't think there's, there's, all you need is faith.

One guy is going to figure out how to go out and go out.

When he goes in, he talks to somebody who drove by.

When he arrives, what does he do?

Probably have a truck or something there.

He rides on it.

He rides in on the truck so I don't have to walk and get stopped all the way.

Rides in on the truck when we arrive.

But only two.

Do everything very low key.

Take the two guys and go and do it.

He is, though, a goddamned adventure, Bob, in terms of fun.

I would just have to realize he is.

Well, externally it's what matters.

Now, he isn't thinking anything.

What does he do internally?

Internally, he doesn't contribute much.

Well, that spot is George.

George, he starts to crank him up, you know, and throw stuff at him.

This is kind of George playing it out, but he gives you conclusions.

He doesn't give you, he doesn't tell you what it's all about.

He's not very determined.

So there's no sign that it's much better.

That's true.

He's got a natural mind.

That he could go back to, the time he could go back to school, by the time.

It's fine, it's a very good potion.

It's a very good potion.

Yeah, it's good.

It's good.

I don't know.

I think maybe it over... Maybe we overreacted the significance of this going into.

I mean, I don't know.

We're getting kicked around.

I thought it's not working anyway.

It's a Washington story.

They say it's a completed Washington story.

It's what it makes sense.

I would agree with the story.

I think you have to make sense of it.

You have to make sense of it.

I don't know.

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They might have to deal with it.

If your original thought on that is the best, you can talk about it.

Maybe you've got to do therapy.

Maybe you've got to do the one.

Maybe during this period, you've got to do three or four.

And go play ball for a while.

And they might think about a little more.

And then you go out and practice.