On July 28, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon, Alexander P. Butterfield, and H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman met in the Oval Office of the White House from 9:03 am to 10:00 am. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 549-004 of the White House Tapes.
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You know, apparently somebody got, got bold and mishandled some papers and canceled out a game.
He didn't, the congressman said he didn't know why we didn't win our game.
He just got kind of limited or something like that.
You see, it was a, it's a sportsman who said that, yeah.
But you, you better be sure whoever handles that kind of thing, of course, wouldn't fall out bold.
He says we canceled out of the game.
Yeah, he said, I mean, he had never intended to do it.
And what happened is that since he knew we were coming in order to get the answer, he was going to let us in.
Well, we had never even considered pushing him in.
Well, I was a snitch, so I didn't think he was going to let us in.
Well, we'll just do that.
What would you like to tell me?
I know that it says that there will be price coverage at the box.
I should be excited to have a photo of it.
Photo of it?
Yeah, for sale.
Just for sale.
The way we left it was to have steel preparation.
Well, I think it's just a film that they can do.
Preparations can be made.
I don't see any reason to have that.
Okay.
I don't have to see it because the wires come in too.
Yeah.
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Oh, it's ready.
Yeah, it is.
And now you should put out that goddamn story.
You know what I'm about to say?
He didn't know why we weren't going out.
He said we were going to Iowa.
He didn't say what for, but he said we were going to be on top of South Bend when they asked him.
Of course he's going to Iowa for the good of him and he couldn't do both or whatever the hell it is.
I'm going to do something in the morning, and when everybody's done, I'll put on the board.
What is it?
I'm going to do that evening, and the way in and out in the morning, this is Jackson.
Yes, I'm going to turn this up.
Thank you.
Thank you very much.
Well, in the game, I wouldn't see that would be the last thing in any event that you did.
That if he was upset about something, that for any reason, it should have been the presentation of the, you know, the, whatever you call it, the ceremony of the Hall of Fame.
Because at one point, as you know, we were curious about time.
That's at two in the afternoon.
Yeah.
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One of those things.
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Nice, you might give a nice shot, and it won't bother you as much as it might not hit.
You know what I mean?
And the question, the point is, well, you've got shots of good-looking hits.
Although, I don't know, you can argue that that shot did any more good than it was a bunch of terrible hits.
I'm sure that it does, except for the fact that it doesn't hit as much as it did.
We've done that in the future, you know, boy scouts, farmers, you know, things like that.
And it's really a question, it's not really a question of the shop, it's a question of whether or not you have to prepare something.
Yeah, whether it's with an enemy or at the time, it's probably something I really shouldn't be doing at all, considering what we've done.
Maybe the way to end that is to see if we can't work a way that the wire photos could come in and get a picture like Ali does without bringing the wire reporters in.
Because then he wouldn't have that point.
He wouldn't like this one.
I don't give a man that they come in and get a picture of him.
I just don't want to have a...
I guess I'm not going to have a...
The problem is we're having to have that pool in every time.
The writing pool.
If you have the writing pool, you just got to prepare for this one.
Everything is to let them in if you don't get a catch.
Let them do a photo opportunity at the beginning and then kick them out.
I'm not going to be there alone.
I'm so fine.
That's the problem.
There's no one like this.
There's nothing for you to do while you're kicking them out.
Hey, there's a rifle out there.
But now it's a compromise rather than having you do the picture here.
Finally have a driver up there and I'll drive up.
I mean, I'll walk out in the car and get all the press to come out and see what you've done.
Yeah.
They're going to drive in the man who's around.
Yeah.
Well, he didn't swing that.
Sure.
You're going to have to come out and see what you've done.
It's better than that.
It's better than this entrance right over here.
It's all impressive to be out there and get their picture and then they don't take one inside.
Or do you want to give them both?
No, I don't know.
That's better.
Just say to them, sir, we'll be in the picture table.
It's you and Bill Rogers.
They've had a hell of a lot of pictures inside and all of this.
There's just one of us two sitting here talking.
And it's much better to get a picture outside.
And that shows you, in effect, greeting him like you, the helicopter pictures that you're greeting.
Why did I go there?
Why did I go there?
Why did I go there?
Because you were a congressman.
I was a congressman, so I met him here.
I don't think people expect you to go the other way.
I don't think you don't go the other way.
I think you can't overreact the damn thing.
I mean, I think earlier reacts too much the other way to say ignoring because you can't do that well.
I mean, you put yourself in a position for going ahead with our thinking on this.
You think you can keep your attitude far from the stakes?
I mean, most possibly, do you think there's going to be any chance that you want him to get off the ticket mad, hit him in the lip, and kick us in the ass?
See, John, his intelligence might not be that straight, but he probably says, I'm on the bad side of the track.
So you want him to have a design on a positive basis that works, right?
Sure.
Well, he's got it in his hands.
So you see there's a hell of a difference here in relation to gotta be god damn good.
That's right.
He's elected in his own right.
There's nothing to god damn right.
He can say screw you and I can tell you not to run.
I mean I can tell if I want him and he won't run.
That's for sure.
You can keep him from running and you can in effect strip him of all his duties.
Yeah.
Vanishing.
But you can't get him out of office.
That's right.
It's just ridiculous.
What's John's argument?
That he's unpopular and actually had nothing to do with him?
Basically, yeah.
John, it's kind of funny because he's, John seems very balanced sometimes.
He's not just making sense.
Well, he thinks that he's a viable candidate.
He just thinks you should clear your hands of him completely.
Stop trying to let him rub off on you.
No way.
And what that would do is say his trip was a failure, and then that hurts you.
What you've got to do is say that you've got to play the good parts of his trip, and there were good parts.
Even the worst press stories make the point that he's done an outstanding job in his diplomatic contacts, that there probably was some reason for him to be moving around the right, you know, fascist nations, dictator-type nations, while you were moving, making your move to the communist state.
People see plants in them.
I'm sure he said some stupid things, but...
He just does, but you can't dissociate from those by not meeting him, by not, you know, by washing your hands of him.
You just want to open a rift without such a case.
It's just not right for the crew, I think.
A lot of it's bad right about it.
I'm curious with Henry, who's probably got more violent enemies, I don't know, among his servo friends, than anybody who feels strongly to know about it, and how he's getting oppressed for wrong reasons.
He said, if I ask you, why don't you give me an honest report on testing last night?
I said, how do you do?
He said, he's done a hell of a good job.
He's been taking it by, you know, with some math.
He said, that's pretty good.
Sure, I'll show you how.
He had a little better management.
He could make a hell of a plus out of something like that.
Just sort of a minor negative.
You always think he's done his thing, but I say he gave him a real, a beautiful cheap shot for the end.
What he did yesterday in Portugal was go out and play golf with Frank Sinatra.
So what was the first story?
He actually ends his trip as he began with a game of golf today with Frank Sinatra.
He played with Sinatra.
That's not all bad either.
I mean, it's got some bad twists as well as good ones.
But it just, he could have ended it.
He had a luncheon with the American community or something and then went out and played golf yesterday afternoon.
And what he's done, I'm sure, is he's seen this bad press about the golf and he said, screw the bastards, I'm going out and play every day.
Screw the hippie that way.
So he did.
He could have overcome that, but just a little skillful might not.
He can't just blame his people though.
He won't listen to them.
He won't listen to his advanced men.
Or he doesn't let people schedule him.
He won't listen.
When we were talking about scheduling, he wouldn't listen to me on scheduling.
And he wouldn't listen to Price.
He has very firm ideas of what he will and won't do.
And if he decides he's going to play golf, he plays golf.
He's under attack.
He's under attack.
He reacts by...
I've tended...
I mean, I've always tended, but I never do it.
That works.
I'm not sure, Bob, that everybody watches this movie as we do, though.
At all.
And the intensity does, and so forth.
Oh, I don't think they do.
I think you watch it.
But it's so confusing, isn't it?
Sir, I gave a shot at him and he just doesn't have to think about it.
It's the whole story.
The whole point.
My three.
Never give up.
That's really it.
And I will probably go too much.
But you did.
You paid too high a price for it.
And I don't think you can get to this.
I don't get something.
But you did.
But the other lady, when she established that it's not a pattern.
The pattern.
Then...
See, he could have played golf, he could have played band-aid golf as he did, but not doing something else to give him a story.
That's the other thing.
He has not seen the press at all on his trip, which I don't blame him for.
And he won't tell them anything.
Nobody tells him anything.
They don't have anything.
He's got 11 press people who have paid probably $10,000 apiece to make this goddamn tour.
But he doesn't see it.
And he doesn't do anything that makes any of this.
His meetings are all private meetings.
And they don't give him any briefing apparently afterwards.
So they don't know.
Now this may not be totally fair, but this is the impression I got from him.
So these little guys are popular in the world.
Their editors are probably just speaking out, I'm saying.
You spent all that money on the same thing, you haven't filed a line of copy yet.
So what are they going to file?
All they can file is something that shafts him, which is that he went out and played golf or hid in his hotel room playing generally with his secret service station.
And I, you really, if I were the press guy on the thing, after about four or five days or two weeks of that kind of crap, I'd do the same thing, I think.
And they couldn't, it's so easy, you know.
Hell, on the way to the golf course, you could stop at an orphanage and pat a couple kids on the head.
Then the press gets a picture and a little quote about how he said, it's too bad these kids are orphans.
And they go out and play golf and nobody cares.
It's so easy to avoid that.
Now all they want very much, the press, they don't like it.
If you do, you annoy them the other way that you used to.
Because you do so much that they couldn't cover it and you drive them out of their minds.
physically, because it couldn't keep up.
But you did.
Some of your trips were, there was so much in them, especially when Pat was with you, the two of you both.
Yeah.
Instead, they got a proposal for a trip for her, that she told me to just watch that and back it up later on.
was expected at the end of it, and I said no.
Now naturally, they do have exaggerated times, but they'll just put that on stage.
She's there now.
I told her, she's not expected, but I'll be sure we'll back down.
Incidentally, one thing we should take care of, the best person in her office in terms of the press thing is somebody by the name of Robinson, Julie Robinson, she says.
She's the one.
If you could find a way to do it, I don't want you to do this through Connie, because there's too much jealousy over there.
This is a widow of three kids, and she's...
She's getting $10,000, which I said, oh Christ, I didn't think anybody here just got $10,000, but are you kidding?
Well, I mean, it's not a box office.
It's a box of people.
We don't.
The White House doesn't pay salaries.
The White House doesn't pay salaries.
But anyway, she said, since she is so valuable to her, to Pat, sure, it's very important that, you know, she says she is really the one that should have, Connie wasn't there, she could have put her in the job.
Let me ask you now, Connie, I've laid loads left at the wedding, do you, should I talk to Pat and see if she wants to talk to you?
Good.
He's asked.
Okay.
So what do you really think that you can make the change you want?
But I'd like to see this woman raised.
I think you could raise her, say to the...
For the 18 club or something like that.
She was going to go to USIA.
She said, God damn USIA will pay a lot more.
But it's very economic with her.
She wants to stay there.
They just worked on it.
Their husband was with the NAM and died.
And then came on to work on it.
It would make a comment system or something like that.
Yeah, it would make an assistant press secretary or something like that.
And then we could give her a big date.
Well, raise her that.
But I'd say, I just think in the magnitude of 18, something like that.
That's probably what we could do.
16 or something.
That's what we can raise her, you know, to 15 and then to 18 or something like that.
Yeah.
I think we could work it out.
On this trip, they worked out what looks like an awfully good thing, tying into your legacy of parks, the new people projects business there.
put her in the forefront of the program, emphasis on local government.
She hasn't been out alone since March of last year.
And the thought was to run out for a three-day thing, August 16th, 17th, and 18th, which would tie right to your VFW time.
And she would do it on the way to California, and it ended up being California, if that's what she decides to do.
It's...
that they're picking it without having speeches for her, but they would have other high government people who would put at these ceremonies, that these would be transfer of property ceremonies, where high government officials would go, but then she would tie in, in a little, you know, the social level, and she'd go to look over the things, yeah, and look over some other projects, and they, oh sure, she can do other things while she's there, but they've got some awfully good, uh,
property ship type things that would not be there very well.
She wants, if she's willing to do it, I'd have her do it, you know what I mean?
They just want you to be aware of it.
Not to say it's a terrible idea or anything.
I mean, I know you wouldn't say that.
Yeah, I guess you probably don't.
They're looking for ways, and I think they need to be.
I want you to, as you told me, I want you to try and look, and this is their first step, but they might put it in a way that they want her, and give her awards, and enter her really good, and where she gets the stars, where she stars.
That's good.
Very good.
I'm trying to get her on.
You don't have to.
I've got it.
I said I had to talk about it, because she's going to have the ladies tonight.
Very good.
We're going to have them for.
Oh, early then.
I got it at the house.
So, so you, so you are going to have it for dinner?
Yes.
So I have the coffee too.
That's fantastic.
So you could just, I worked on a different deal.
So you don't have any plans at all?
That's what you mean?
Can't go to Europe one day.
Just say that we're going to see you tonight.
I worked on a deal where I said, if I have money for stuff, it's not going to be good.
Blackjack, I think it's coming down.
It's coming down to half a gram of heat at 8 o'clock, 3.15, finish and I'll leave.
So it only takes about more than 15 or 20 minutes more than an army does.
which is the way they do it.
So his grandfather always used to say, help me, they'd have people many times, but he's never stuck around.
He's spent the hell out.
And you don't see the thing as the dinners that, you know, we have these small dinners for a while, and I guess with people that you invite, you've got to sit around and they're out of town or something.
But anybody that's in town or anything,
I just don't think I, I think, the thing with me, I think if I take it an hour of my time, that's as much as I can really afford, Bob, that I don't have to spend extra energy of them going into the room.
You know, you sit down, so you have coffee, and they offer brandy and so forth, and you have an hour of talking to them.
Do you have them go over to D.V.
the last time?
Do you have them go over to D.V.
then with that?
Go home.
That's all.
Dinner's over.
And they go home.
That's great.
It's fine.
Great.
They just come in and have some food.
They just take it home.
Everybody knows now.
Everybody's got a lot of work to do.
They've got a lot of work to do.
Yeah.
And I'll feel free to do it a little more.
I'm going to experiment a little bit with this.
Just have it go on.
That's your problem.
You've got to try it.
You've got to try it.
I personally think anybody would like to come in and have dinner
I don't think they're going to happen.
I think they can come across the country for that.
You know, if there's any question about it, you don't have to sit there and yack.
If you bring people from around the country, we can explain it to them beforehand.
We can say that it's got work.
See, people probably want to know.
You don't realize that most people, you go to someone's house for dinner normally, you just go and it's essential.
But when they come here, they want to know, what should I wear?
Do I curtsy when I'm introduced to Mrs. Nixon?
Which fork am I supposed to use?
Well, I could talk to her.
Am I supposed to be... Well, I was thinking if it worked, why we could... She'll do it with a few other little people around.
Well, if you do it, there's... You can get away with it very easily.
Invite him for 7.
And he did 7.30.
He did 7.30 and finished at 8.30.
8.15, because we don't get long.
He said he'd take the chapter and this and the whole thing.
And I said, oh sure, that's alright, I've got to go.
And we tell them ahead of time, they said that they should leave too.
We said, I suggested to her that she might want to have, she could then take account for a movie, but she's always like that.
She could always do that, but you know.
Of course they, I like it harder than having, let them who don't see a movie, you know what I mean, they want, you know, I don't think, I think all the others, they don't even know about seeing a movie, I don't think so, but I just think in some way it's different, I think.
I think the way to do it is to tell them ahead of time, the custom on these little informal dinners, because these are working evenings for the president, is that you'll be invited at 7.
Dinner will be served at 7.30.
You'll finish at 8.15 or 8.30, and it's expected that your president will happily go back to work.
You just say goodnight and that's it.
That's right.
And then they know, and they'll be perfectly delighted, and they'll try to walk out.
I think it's crazy.
We're going to drive.
I don't know what the fuck they've got to do to hold the deal.
And the dinner up there is so nice anyway.
They serve nicely.
It's a nice dinner.
It's a real treat.
Really good.
Well, the main thing, Bob, is that people just want to say they had better at the White House one time.
It's just like putting them on the boat.
Now the other day I had them do it on purpose to see how it worked.
We made that boat run in an hour.
And it worked fine.
That's what we do.
You go up the top side of that one train.
Go down.
They serve a very comfortable leisurely dinner.
As dinner ends, you pull up to the dock.
And you're done in an hour.
Just an hour before we stalled a little bit.
We could have done an hour, an hour and 15 minutes.
That's because an hour and 15 minutes, but it was a little less than that.
But that's frankly long enough.
And then you go on a long dragging thing.
Well, I did it on purpose.
I told the property that I was a little tired by the end.
And now people repeat and everything.
I said the president may be late, but unless he specifically says otherwise, get us back to the dock in an hour and 15 minutes or less.
So we turned around much sooner.
Takes some time.
Then we could do more.
I had a thought on youth.
I think it might be well for you to put up, if they haven't worked it out, the youth portion.
Work it out.
R4, C4.
You know, the young people.
What do you think of that?
Does that work?
Yeah, I think that helps to build a manual consent.
There's other youth there for it.
They'll be for it.
I think that's my point.
You and...
That, it just, and let that be the leader.
In other words, in that whole thing, you put it out in the Harris-Gallup way, they all use it.
It could be the mama, or the soliloquy.
As soon as we, as soon as we start having a dramatic shift in youth, you know.
Well, it is.
We can put it that way.
Dramatic shift in youth.
But this may be, but that way they don't arrive.
See, but everybody's going around doing it.
Now, speaking of that,
Well, I could see how angry I was.
I was a little, let's see, I really thought the press, the kids, probably they had to operate and handle that.
We let them go and I'm not going to let them go again.
I really told everybody, told everybody that I didn't expect this to happen.
We went to Breedles the other day and they go in and they get the price of the meal, the price of the wine, all that bullshit.
I'm just not going to let them go.
Whenever I go out, either he's without it or I'm not going to go.
So it's my argument about if I should either be the first or I'm not going to let the first go.
And then let them squeal.
And this idea that they're going to stake me out is fine.
I don't want them to do it.
They've been staking me out and I've done it.
They're not going to do it.
But did you think that was sort of a bad rap?
Well, actually it turned into, what that was was a mistake on the original part.
They asked, and they had the menu, they did not get the price of the dinner.
They got the menu, they got the general what you serve, then they got the price of the bottle of wine.
The price they got was $250.
And Ron...
just put the screws on it and said that isn't correct and the waiter or the captain whoever was it told them that violated a basic thing that's none of your business what it costs and all that and they said well you know they debated on it but the end up was putting it on as a $40 bottom line when we were getting lucky to get it at $40 it was the thing that didn't work out it wasn't a magnet it wasn't a quarter it wasn't a deal it was a magnet you know
It was a magnet.
And that's what a magnet would cost.
And that, if he starts $2 or $4 for that bottle of wine, he's screwed.
In New York, in New York, in 1961, it wasn't even a 59 or 55, a 1961 French wine, a magnet would cost you about $35 or $40.
That is the actual price.
$20 a bottle.
I know.
It's 61, when you get past the 50s, the price of this gold plummets.
And it'd be, yeah, about 40 bucks, 40, something like that.
40 bucks is right for it.
If 250 was right, which was the figure they got first, the person who sells it, he decides to go on the dollars, on the money.
Price is your own.
So I don't know if you agree, but you're still not done with the price of gold yet.
That's right.
That makes sense.
Yeah.
I think that their purpose really is not to go and cover.
The problem with that, if a one like that moved that back, there was no way we could stop them from going, yeah, all right.
It's just that we won't go to them, that sort of thing again.
So it's like if I can stop it, I'd like to go on and on again.
I may want to go over to Scandi again.
Just go.
Just go.
And not tell the press off.
Not tell sons of bitches at all.
Go.
And I'll just land.
I mean, I'll be all over there.
And I'll just have to go.
Don't you agree?
And it's just, we agree to go very far every time I turn around.
I think it's kind of silly for me, can't it, if you want, the reason I don't do the golf is that we're out in the system and they've got another weekend.
I'm not going to do it.
I'm just not going to do it.
He didn't let them know.
Oh hell, they were never, I never saw them.
I've been out the back center.
Three went out to take pictures, but they were always there.
I think we're out of school for a while.
And then he might schedule for me a bowling, a big bowling tournament.
Since I do bowl, that's a hell of a big sport.
Might be an idea in California sometime in the U.S. Another thing is when you bring in champions, it seems to me that you could recognize even though you don't get very good on auto races, the auto and the bowling crowd, how'd you do that?
Now we run pretty much with the golf crowd and so forth.
Bowling and autos are the two biggest sports of all.
Bowling is by far the biggest, and autos are the biggest.
Bowling is the biggest, and autos are the biggest.
Yeah, well, I don't care about it.
But I think going to a bowling event would be a bowling championship.
It does good to do that.
Problem is if you went to one thing, what's your photo?
I don't know.
You'd have to get a photo of a couple of friends.
It would have bothered me that I didn't know.
I mean, it's not bad.
It's a little awkward.
You know, I'm scared she was bold coming.
That's no problem.
Bolder than that.
Studying the Sapphire then.
And, uh...
that he'd get out from the, uh, the, uh, the company the July 3rd, and also the, uh, whatever they took off, whatever they put off in Kansas City.
I don't know, I don't know if that's the beginning of your role.
But I took a look at it, Bob, and it doesn't seem to come off to me.
Uh, I don't know if you had a chance to read it or not, but it's, uh, it's, uh,
He tries to zero in.
He tries to take something against the city theme.
But the stuff that is there doesn't really work.
In other words, the use of the speaker, you know, it would be fine to hold it in the five.
Make the words like the five, like the hand, like the five fingers of the hand.
Well, you can't use that unless somebody visually can see you say it, but I really don't.
You can't hold up pictures on a radio talk, see.
But anyway, it doesn't come off.
But the main problem is that rather than having what I really feel that people want to do, which is to sing on the first song, to live the inspiration, you know, feeling the confidence, et cetera, that it does.
He spends about a fourth of the time on a long dissertation on the Steele negotiations, and we hold it in on the... and ending on the harm testing and so forth and so on, which of course is fine, but I don't think it's the place.
The second thing with regard to the radio, and this is between 2,500 and 3,000 words, it's about 26,000 words.
I think that's much too long.
As I read it, I was just tired of reading it, you know.
I mean, I was reading it.
So, I think the radio things should be effective.
I think actually that they should be a bit over, I think we should do it in 15 minute segments.
And I think you can say it all in 15 minutes.
I think the attention span just isn't that long unless it's a historic time of speech.
Would you agree or not?
I think so.
I don't know whether the radio is there or television or not.
No, I think it is.
I don't think even television should be 30 minutes unless you've got a hell of a lot of setting.
But you agree?
Yeah.
And I think, so for 15 minutes, I'd like to speak in terms of...
And look, Christ, Christ don't talk two thoughts from our Savior.
All my thinking is in 1,500 words.
See?
That's how 1,500 words is.
Now that'll make the writing better.
And I have a feeling, basically, too, that don't really look for news or something like that.
God, they had another one in there.
I mean, Peter said that I was going to appoint a distinguished commission to look into how we...
citizens in Georgia to see how we can, you know, to improve our identity position for them and so forth.
God Almighty, that's not a part of any of our commissions.
I mean, that's... Is that that... Ash...
I don't know.
I'm going to do that topic.
I think it's a better thing.
That was the whole point.
Do the damn thing privately and quietly and have it done.
But don't have to build up a hell of a lot of damn things and then have to have a report made.
But what I've done then is, I think Bill has the idea that these things, in order to be effective, must have some hard news in them.
You know what I mean?
That you've got to have something.
And I understand that for that purpose, he probably wrote it right.
But I, I haven't looked at the radio exactly at all.
I just think, oh, they need to be here, some goddamn good pep talks, and thoughtful things, you know, the, uh, taking a chance to say, it's not news to talk about the pillars of the archives, and,
Greece and Rome and so forth.
But that's the only thing people remembered about today.
Isn't this true?
Yeah.
Just saying.
I think he could get Andrews to work a little longer as he seemed to have that ability and Cook at times.
Although he may just be a one-speech man.
But I'm afraid Sapphire is something too...
It's probably just too damn smart, you know, Bridget, to want to, I guess, to put out a little emotional response.
That's about all it is.
Maybe that's the guy that's the last one.
And also...
I didn't get a reason to talk to him about it if he thinks it's true, but it won't be useful unless he's got something to suggest.
Whatever he's ready, perhaps he'll talk to you.
It occurred to me that just for therapy, we ought to get in his room sometime.
You know, you've got to sit in.
And also, another room that you've got to get in for therapy is that poor damn pillow room.
Yeah, if there's any possessing, just go over there.
You know, monitor the place and catch them when they're all there.
Rather than talk to them.
Or when you've actually got enough new people now, that you've got a whole big crowd of people.
Well, I know I'm in a tent, and I'm complaining that they haven't considered their needs.
Because we hope that something comes up.
What about McGinnis?
Did we decide to call him in?
Yeah.
They're going to be right.
Yeah.
They've tossed a few things at him to see what he can produce, and he hasn't produced anything yet, as I understand it.
They're going to keep pushing him if we can find a way that he fits.
How about giving a, how about a hell in terms of crime?
You know, I mentioned this yesterday.
All right, now talk to Colson about hell.
He says you've got a very interesting thing in question.
He says you've got a real...
He was writing on one thesis last year.
And he's doing stuff now.
And he's doing some very good stuff for other people.
And they're using him heavily.
But Chuck says he's very...
He's not sure you want to get it into you and get it too closely tied to you.
That we ought to keep it moving, but keep him a step removed.
And use him.
By the way, if he can elect, if he can write, and particularly if he writes politically and so forth.
I've got to throw this in a different direction, because part of Colson's thing may be, Chuck says it's really kind of funny, Alex's whole thesis on what's wrong with the Nixon presidency is Colson and all of it.
He's convinced that Chuck and I are evil manipulators of the right wing, who are holding you captive and not letting you be your true liberal self.
What is my true liberal self?
I'm not really sure.
Maybe get closer.
I saw a candidate at the reception.
That may be part of it, too.
Maybe get closer.
I'll check it out.
That's not true.
Colson can get into some things to do, but I couldn't.
We just, we don't want to be COVID.
Well, Colson is basically not one to exclude people.
Oh, is he?
No, sir, no, he's supposed to hit the road.
And, uh, very much the other way.
Colson, he's supposed to hit the labor, the people, and the rest.
So this is, well, Colson isn't really all that much of a conservative.
Colson is a nut cutter, but philosophically, hell, this, all this back was Massachusetts politics.
So, so, so, so, so, so.
But he's not half of it.
I know that.
He's close to it.
His wife is.
His wife, this is the first wife that he's had.
Could I suggest this?
On the economy, you know, I had some thoughts when I started.
How about, I think we ought to, you know, mobilize our team here.
You know what I mean?
We've got, we've got to get, we've got to get things, things that we've got to get in the handle of.
But how about getting the hang of it without talking about the economy?
Wait, what do you know what I mean?
Basically, now that's just something that's got to end it for me.
Let it go out and attack the doom crackers in the restaurant.
He's probably willing to do it.
The other is, I think we ought to use sands and hogs.
I've met Jack Downey.
Sands, hogs, and eggs.
Let's add those to the trees.
And I'll get the whole group into the room one day.
I, uh, with, with, uh, the whole audience, yes, with, uh, with, yeah, I think Flannigan is another one that can do something.
Uh, I don't think Romney can play in that, that game, because I don't think Romney believes enough in our economic policies.
He do.
No.
He'll get off in the latest game.
Well, and he's for that waste parts business, so.
That's right.
Right.
But we've got, and Rodney is a believer, I don't think it's fair to ask Rodney that we've got three good guys there that can be used.
The thing to ask Rodney to do is keep quiet, which he's doing pretty well.
In China, he's done a fine job, a fine job.
Of course, he's a chef.
But if you think on the economy, on the economy, we do, don't you think getting happy hanging on the economy is a possibility?
Yeah.
I mean, basically, I'm quite confident because despite our problems...
I know this for example, they use the term, and I don't understand it as well, but the balance of payments, I mean, we're carrying away for the fact that it's not bad, but it's hit some of the senators or something, it's frightening and all that sort of thing.
That isn't the way that that should be played.
I mean, it's basically just one of those international facts that everybody's known for years, you know, it's coming.
It's Peterson and Chelsea won on that in 1918 too.
Yep, they can both make changes.
I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I,
Accompanying to all speakers is running and standing and talking and saying, and hanging.
Now, another thing is, I want you to, I want Colson or somebody to go through the sub-camp and pick the best goddamn people to become.
He says pastors are very good.
Pastors did a beautiful job on that.
You know, these indicators are awful.
And pastors completely confuse that and put out a release that makes it look like it's a great step forward.
I think they're all good.
Aren't they all?
Is the stock market a major factor in that?
I don't know.
Yeah, the stock market is good.
What do they call it?
The incidental indicators or the other?
Yeah.
Those are good.
Yeah, that's good.
Another thing, Bob, you know...
You know this, and we've talked about it before, about the parties for him.
Yeah, yeah.
You have talked, and we'll talk about it earlier, about counter-attacks on that whole bunch.
You're going to talk to, sometime you will talk to Chandler about these Jews and what they're trying to do with them.
There's a hell of a case there, you know, that whole Lewis and Sky Hall set up.
Yeah.
And as I told you yesterday, or Sunday,
And I think we ought to be ready to do a little counter-attacking.
I'm not concerned about the attack on me, believe me.
Because in fact, they've got commands.
In a way, it's kind of a boomerang.
Because they're so good.
Because I haven't done anything.
It's not the hardest thing you ever saw me do, you think.
After making...
$250,000 or $250,000 a year for eight years.
What I got, how very little I got is amazing.
All in force, making trees and using the property.
Scott, I'm going to make a thing out of that, that you, in the years you were out of office, earned about $2 million.
Yeah.
But because of the enormous expenses of the public side of you, you tried to maintain correspondence and all that sort of thing, that you ended up saving...
And building in a state of less than a half a million dollars.
That's right.
Did you ever worry about leaving for Reno?
He's got to be done in California.
He'll get in.
Yeah.
He'll be good.
And you will check with Tom on the Mexican lady, will you?
He wants her to come.
He wants her.
He said he would get her in this week and would go ahead.
And I kind of reluctant to push him on her account.
Rather than say that I don't understand, but asking what you would think of doing in California, calling it a terrible vindication.
Don't push it.
Don't push it.
Do it Monday.
We're not even bringing the subject up.
I agree.
I just, it's too effective on the team, and I have mine.
So do it, Calvin.
Screw it.
I agree.
But you're absolutely right.
Don't push it.
Now, before Monday morning in California, if you wanted to do something, there are a couple of things.
I don't know if he's walking well.
I don't know if he's walking well.
I don't know if he's walking well.
I don't know if he's walking well.
I don't know if he's walking well.
I don't know if he's walking well.
Hey, what's the matter with you?
For the video, we want to kiss.
We're going to visit a hospital in Long Island to request one.
Oh, they did.
Yeah, go ahead.
We're going to do a building that we've never talked about before.
Please.