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You see, we have all the press with us.

We have Carl Loverett.

We have Carl Loverett spoke, Jerry Moore spoke, Frank Moore spoke.

George Mahon spoke, and I was the last speaker.

I knew when I saw the program they involved

I said, no, never make it.

No, this is all planned.

I said, that's the design.

What is it?

Four minutes for this one and so forth.

I don't know what you want to do.

Ten.

Nevertheless, I got through.

I knew we'd never get there.

You'd never make it.

I just got here.

Yeah, come on and take a picture so we can talk.

You didn't know he was?

No, that's right.

He's a great person.

Let's look down here and see what he did.

And give them the security of this one, too, if you want.

If you give them the security of this one, that'll be a different one.

They will probably prefer that.

I mean, that's what we want to give them a shot at.

So, we've had this one before, but, you know, if they, some they want to use, too, some of this is not, too.

Well, they, uh...

You were impartial yesterday.

Yes, this morning.

You've been there before.

That was the first time.

It really is.

It sparkles.

Elizabeth sparkles in our life.

Tell me a little about that.

We got the reports.

Henry did it over in every country.

all the reports of the talks were excellent.

I was totally desperate in the meeting that all our, you know, for the service people were very impressed with the talks that we had, and the reporting was really good.

The difficulty, the difficulty, of course, is there aren't any kind of nationwide disreputing speeches or something.

It's very hard for the people of the public to know what they haven't done.

But what really matters is what really happens to what you went to do with that.

But in every country, no exception.

It was worth doing.

My host and some of them stretched their time a little more than they were supposed to in the Southeast.

I thought it was beneficial.

The problem, of course, was the Republican vice-chancellor was there for that.

What the press really wanted was for me to come out to these poor people in the streets and get them to do the colorful things that they like.

But I tried to explain to them, I said, if this is what we use for treads, then maybe this is what I accomplished in the years of these companies, not getting them to back to Washington.

How many do you have left?

There are 12 of us with you.

We have, uh, I think we have 10, 10 personnel to get there.

And out of that, we have three decent guys.

And the rest of them are dead small.

This is one of them.

About the tiller at North Strait.

One fell between, uh, Kinshasa and the grid.

He's trying to sniff out a half gin.

Oh God, Jed, two ounces of jenison after Dr. Dyer and you're flying in.

Well, I didn't talk to you, but you were out on the plane.

I was telling Henry that I was pissed off.

I mean, actually, the coverage has been.

uh, that it don't get the impression that the press, uh, is, is, is that bad.

It isn't that bad.

It's courage.

They're, they're, they're needles stuck in your finger for those vaccines.

They're the worst thing of the time.

And those, they get the time to do it.

But the guys who reported did.

Uh, what did you think?

Well, how, how, how, how you said to me, and you, and me, you know.

Well, one of the main things I didn't think was so bad, and this weekend I saw some articles that spoke of particularly of a good view,

But there was a serious fella on AP who was pretty bad.

He was the one that kept... What was his name?

He kept out the signs saying that I wasn't... that there were women with disease, starving women with disease, babies along the streets that were bought.

Instead of that, I went out and got them.

Well, for Christ's sakes, isn't that too bad?

Right.

What in the name of God can you do?

They put about a starving baby in the tub.

I know the coach, the mystery coach is quite good.

And the worst thing I've chosen in this week are... Yeah, that was the one.

That was the one.

I have a bad suspicion.

Well, you went after that one.

Yeah.

I made it that way.

You can't fight.

That's my part.

You can't.

It's a hard voice.

And I told him, I said...

The ambassador from, uh...

continues to help his fellow.

Yes.

He's written a letter, and I asked him, I'm sorry, to trust and send it to Newsweek Director, because it is the fact that we're all in that terrible situation.

That's what I thought of the, uh, the, uh, the animals, you know, and the draft.

Well, I don't know that, I've been subjected to this much of this through the years, and I've become almost, well, you know, it's, uh, but nevertheless,

And particularly, not bad now, but particularly when I was vice president.

But God damn, Bill, you make me wonder about having somebody go abroad.

I can give you, I want to give you a couple of reactions.

First of all, there wasn't a single media I talked to on this issue.

Didn't raise the question about students.

The governor of Maharashtra is a former ambassador.

President of the University of New England, just recently had an activity.

He was one of the best students I've ever met.

He had been beaten by students at the rest of the university.

He managed for them and he should have been very thankful for them.

And then, of course, Mamutu was, and even Kenyatta was concerned.

Was it Kenyatta?

Yes.

I never met him.

He's a guest.

And how old is he?

He's pretty old, isn't he?

He's a guest.

And, of course, in Ethiopia, there...

They were, they were, I guess, because they always said they were going to have him because they saw the modern human rights right there.

And he's a former law professor.

No, I don't think I know anything about that.

That's the one study, the other study that all those universities came up with.

The Pentagon study.

or what you said about that earlier in the time, you probably would have said, you can't have the female in the privacy of your brother.

And Bill, remember, we were talking, and we had noted it too,

That piece of astrocyte gives some continuity to the discussion.

The fact that you said that every forum leader you were spoken to had expressions written on the papers, right?

That was helpful to see the head across.

I don't know if you saw that, but you were dead messed up before you went up there.

That was good that you had that earlier in the trip than I did.

Your second stop, my third stop, maybe you said, I don't know.

What did they say?

They just thought their studies were going to leave them all?

Well, they're afraid of that, and they just don't understand.

In one of the African countries, I think it was Nairobi, where the president of the Supreme Court and Attorney General Mueller

They gather around and they say, we will explain this to them.

How can this happen?

We should be able to trace the legality of this.

How can they do this?

Not for you.

You didn't have a way to get back on that, did you?

I tried to explain it, but the kind of time I could talk about it for 15 minutes.

I was thinking about it.

That's very easy.

Or a portion of a certain portion.

It's a great idea.

Did we, did I hear?

Yes.

He said, yeah, he came here, yeah.

Of course, if you're a middle-aged, I'll be out with it.

Actually, the funeral, some funeral was, well, I can't ask for it.

I can't ask for it.

And he couldn't understand.

I tried to explain it, but the issue was prior restraining.

The general public impression over there is that the papers won.

That's all.

The papers won.

There's never a right to delay that.

And they want to, and they're already done.

Yeah, I see.

What a lost deal.

The other thing, I talked to Bill on the way in there about, I believe, one of you wants a new fx.

He said I have to make a new fx.

It's a cross.

It's a nice thing.

Anybody can take it.

Where's the schedule change?

We have another one that's got sort of a bit of a breakdown.

Oh, in Walsh in Kuwait.

I got into Kuwait fairly late in the evening.

The next morning, I picked up the English language inspector.

I mean, here is an article.

Direct quotes from Ambassador Walsh saying, it doesn't matter what the Vice President's doing here.

He's a political champion to enhance the chances of the next administration.

And all sorts of great systems of the administration

So I sent for him to be in this program because I was going to find some of the way to overshadow it.

And I figured after I did that, that if anybody should know, not too immediately, because I don't know, on the basis of what's in the newspaper, I'll admit it.

But he came in, he came in and shot me.

He said, I didn't say anything like that.

It's a pure fabrication.

How do you get all that done?

The press maintained, to the end, that they were right, that he had talked to some Michael A., the official, the official indeed, and that was devastating.

Even before this, though, last time that we discovered it, he said it very carefully, wasn't he?

Yeah, but he's not rational.

He's a teenager, please.

He was one of the top people who got rid of it to go to another country.

I know him.

He was a pilot for a year.

It's really a blessing.

I want to make a suggestion of a man.

Is he an ambassador or is he an ambassador?

Let's go to Simon and talk to him.

Because of the oil and cooling or what is it?

The flasher who's in Saudi is a very good man.

Who?

The flasher.

Where is he?

Saudi Arabia.

He's a very good man.

He has a DCM named Sulfus who is just a tremendously good man.

And I would suggest that if the Sulfus is ready for promotion,

I like the idea.

I used to, when I came back, it was one of the few things I could accomplish in my church, but I did come back and I told all of us that I was partaking of my salvation.

Yeah, listen, I'd say, I'd say, you know, that's the one I usually got to know, of course, is you, that would be partaking.

And I said, this is a hell of a God.

And all of us, you know, it is.

But he didn't do it.

He put it on to people first and then later on.

And they promoted some of those guys.

And that's a great thing for them.

That also encourages other people for a church to kind of second those.

They need themselves.

They realize if somebody doesn't want them, they don't need them.

Most of their best is Vance.

Vance is a whole band.

He's very good.

Most of their best is very good.

Michael Vance, back here.

He'll do a good job.

I'm sure he's great.

He's great in both corners.

I think my top, I'll meet him all day.

I don't know if you can see him.

He's great.

The law of the other countries, sir, like President Trump, the United States of America, has two exceptions.

One, we already have a federal reputation and a cross over this.

Cross is a place that's mediocre.

He's in second floor and uh...

The other guy wants him.

Lee wants him.

He says he's a junkie.

He says he's slow.

I'll leave.

I'll get rid of him in Texas.

Because we've got us in the east.

But uh, what the hell, that would be one of the jobs.

That's the best one.

And a good, you could put, I'm not saying it's a good residence.

It's a beautiful city.

It's an exciting city.

It's growing and everything.

That's a terrific job.

But it has to be somebody that can mentally be on you.

And also I think it ought to be somebody who is very oriented toward business.

There's only ever a business empire, and that's what that guy said.

He's still growing, and he's a great developer.

He worked hard and got him, and he found him.

You know what the interesting thing about him is why those, well, not those guys, but those lawyers,

His wife was very, very close.

There must be something wrong.

You know his wife, Henry?

You know him?

I know him.

He's outstanding.

But his wife and I have never known this, but he works right with him.

He's just as smart as him.

For some reason, he used to come to the house, but he still does for a month each year, and he bullies the liberals and pleases the socialists themselves.

But he's not a soft cat.

No.

He's not very liberal.

The one thing is, President, Vice President Selmy, I'd like to admit to you that in the Arab countries,

But there really is a strong feeling against the oceans.

I want you to visit, when I was in Sydney, Saudi Arabia, Morocco, Kuwait.

And also, this, the feeling is this, that I, is, that I do not want the Soviet pressures.

You found that in all three of your experiences?

Well, Faisal went to great lengths to relay a conversation he'd had with, how he'd just come back from Egypt.

He said, I wanted us to be aware, and Faisal had promised to relay the message that we could get this done in Congress, and to settle a little bit, and that we would like to see the Soviets going to Egypt.

And he, Faisal, was very emphatic and assertive.

Steve, before we finish this, Steve's got some ideas for some of our conversations that we've heard.

What you thought, what I thought of, and we all met, we talked about it, because we cannot balance this crap.

I just think we should do it.

It's not, it's not fair, and we're not gonna lie.

We were talking, as I said, you and I talked about it earlier, but you brought it up this morning.

I didn't make the argument.

That was the one you were standing on.

That's the one he was supposed to be just making his own guess away of.

Well, uh, we're retired.

We're retired.

I'd like to take you down to another topic.

I'd like to take you down to a question that I understand, too.

Which I think is basically absolutely perfect.

We should say with regard to the China initiative.

You remember our practice.

the whole thing is this fact.

It was actually very close to the end, but if anybody, of course the old person was wearing a band-aid and just three of us, but if anybody in the

The reason we couldn't talk about it is that we didn't know until we got out of that place.

Whatever we watched, that's what it was.

We were scared to death that if anything happened to us,

As a matter of fact, we didn't know until Henry got to Pakistan.

I didn't know, but he didn't know whether the Chinese were going to come across there to help take the time.

Well, I think the story got started with that cause of oppressive European speculation about why not being informed.

It got started because it came out of the White House, and that was the problem.

It came out of the White House, and the White House forced it.

He came through the same source that we've had trouble with.

Do you know who it is?

I have a feeling I know who it is.

I'm not going to say it because I'm not trusted.

Do you think he did it out of the White House?

Because he came through the same... Well, they didn't cover me in that scene.

You know what I mean?

Well, I'll tell you this.

It didn't come from his heart.

My person was out there.

Bill and I were out there.

It didn't come from Satan.

Because Bill had that, he's got them scared to death.

I can document the same source

My people didn't tell me.

I don't know.

We hear people work a lot.

I'm sure.

May I say this?

I think we've got...

I've never seen a savior.

I've never seen...

They've just done an excellent job.

And we're very responsible.

I just want the...

I don't need a hell of a lot of documentation.

I just like to know who you think it is.

And let me do a little bit of checking.

But, uh, that creative impression was false.

Of course, one thing that, you know, and I'm sure that you checked your records, but the idea originally

You said that the what's up talks that you had in Florida, what are the what's up talks in the Telegram?

That was one of the things that you said at that time that they were welcome in the society.

Correct.

That's when you first talked about that.

And then you made a comment publicly that you were probably welcome in places like that at some point.

And it was a follow up on those things, really.

Correct.

That's what I think.

Your kind of impression of the foreign service people was good.

Yes.

You say people of the Senate and the electorate.

The fellow, I think he said, I'm rich and I'm a rich man.

He's got very little to do in excellence.

I don't have a word.

Oh, then the cops would walk down.

I thought you had to take responsibility for your associates and so forth in R&D.

And other than that, it's not like you take a big play on it, so it's too damn obvious.

But, you know, there's so much crap that had been written about the Vice President's trip, you know, that he was sent abroad on a knowledge as to what was going on, and it was just a chuckle, and to her it was a curse, and so forth, and so on, and so on.

Well, first of all, Bill and I have been talking here, and you can speak with authority on the social media, and the wire services, and the thoughtful guys that, frankly,

We were, in this case, we said, well, we don't want to be outraged.

I've been outraged by the coverage on this thing.

Because we had read it, and we all had read it.

We read the memorandums, what they call the metacons, or conversations that the Vice President had with these heads of state.

The trip came at a very important time.

It was very important regarding the Middle East.

Going to those areas, you know, where they, of course, it was important in terms of the African countries going, for example, to Ethiopia, to Kenya, or to Canada.

Well, of course it's being crushed apart.

But I think that I don't, you know how to do it.

I just don't want them to crush one, which is unfair, and then to go and clear out the world and having all these talks with people, which is done, and then our extended expression of us to the President and the Secretary of State to the, and then to, of course, our decree,

that this Vice President has conducted himself in an exemplary manner in his conversation with the heads of state and heads of government on all of his trips.

I think we all should be satisfied that he's been extraordinarily well briefed.

And that's why I think this is something that's been impressive.

The way that I look at it, I think that, you know, how it is, and how you got to handle it.

I think it's a curious thing.

On that point, I thought this morning, I went out to a table for a couple of years, and I thought, when I was with Davidson, and I asked him,

And I asked him what he thought about the Vice President's trip, and he said, well, at this point in the newspaper coverage, he said the trip was a great success.

I said, what do you mean?

Well, he said all the people in the Foreign Service came in contact with the Vice President, very impressed with how much work he had done before the meetings, and how well the meetings were conducted.

And he said, I was very impressed with it all, and this is my main account of the conversation the Vice President had with these leaders.

Now this came at a time when it was important to have, to have this kind of quiet reassurance we didn't need anything on television.

And that would have been very difficult in the United States.

This was not, I think you should emphasize this, the Vice President's trip was a substantive trip and not the usual kind of goodwill trip.

We hope goodwill comes out of the substance.

But the purpose was to have hard, substantive talks

a lot of areas and a wide variety of places.

And that's the truth.

Now, your turn could be one of these.

You go, Will, what do you do?

You go in and you go to the ship yard, or go out and inspect the hospital, or run up and down the streets and shake hands with people.

I've done that kind of thing, too.

We probably have two.

This is basically like bicycle insurance, which is a substitute care.

Now, of course, you have to be, you have to be very defensive.

You're the man to do it.

Maybe it's through a hands-on or some other very responsible.

You can just say this is a bad rap.

I mean, they did not want to listen to that.

I mean, they have 10 articles in the Newsweek because it's great.

So, Mr. President, I've already checked into that Newsweek article because I, Mr. Vice President, I was even more interested in it.

And the explanation I get was that everyone was so absorbed in China that this piece sneaks through the magazine without the usual editing, second and third double-check.

Now this is the explanation I get.

I suspect that is partly true.

But who had the...

That's interesting.

It shows us the strength of it.

They didn't have a time report on the street.

We've got a good one.

We've got a good story for it.

I'm talking about, that's got to go back to Kenya.

And he sent a letter to New Street, which I wanted to talk to my friend about before we said it, pointing out all the inaccuracies within that.

He said, for example, we spent 20 minutes, two hours and 20 minutes or so.

uh, with all these factual mistakes, let's take that letter to, uh, to the county that the Secretary of State used it as a lease of, of course, to take over.

And then to take back one thing, I said, I'd like about 20 minutes, two hours, four minutes.

We just say, actually, that two people, that you didn't take one, they had, uh, they said, uh, they had a stranger in Korea, they had one in, uh, China.

I didn't tell them this.

We did not have a full course of order.

They were invited.

I think it's better to stick to the Kennedy storybook, because it employed Amherst, you see.

Well, you see, they said they had four Boeing 707s and a cargo plane, and they said they had two armored Levis Ames, and a hundred and seven, a hundred and something.

Yeah.

Which is, you know, three ships of the Secret Service and all that sort of thing.

I can't control that, but it's security.

Oh, yeah.

We've got a small stretch that we've ever taken.

Well, that's our thing.

It's just basically...

But I think we could not have you point out that they're wrong to this degree.

Well, I really like the panel district on this one piece, which I call this particular piece.

And what I'd like to do is to get the facts and figures and just beat them over the head.

We're going to have that for you.

Ted, who can we call to in your office and give us the right training?

Mike Don, General Don, General Don.

Do you have it?

Because I feel like we'll have a little bit of fine time.

You follow up then on our side.

But you can just, the other thing that's occurring is the general flavor that the President and also that we've had.

I talked to the Secretary, and we had an hour or so conversation regarding the various implications of the trip in terms of both the areas involved, the Mideast,

And of course he was there at the time of the China thing and he had the opportunity to do it.

I think there is beginning to percolate in this week a realization that they have in Australia, Mr. Vice President.

And I think I will believe on that.

You know?

Oh yes.

Yes, I know very well.

Yes, I think it's really good.

I thought it was so very true.

There was a great amount of controversy about it.

When the Chyna thing came, somebody from the White House indicated that the Vice President had not been, they had refuted that figure in any way.

And I don't know where that starts from.

But the denial

So, I mean, but John took us, you see what I'm saying?

Do you want to ask something more?

No, I... You know, you're from the press, you're public, you know them.

And frankly, we, some, they, as he was saying, had three very good reports.

And some that were not so good.

We all get that number.

then he doesn't deserve to travel all around the world and get kicked in the ass.

That's the tough of this.

It's not true.

Now, I'm doing 70 miles a day.

I'm a supporter of that.

I'm saying 20 minutes doesn't get you out of it.

If you spent two hours and 40 minutes, my God, you probably shouldn't have spent five.

Yeah.

It's no good.

You know, that's...

I haven't done it.

Okay, fine.

You should have spent two hours and 40 minutes.

Oh, yeah.

Two hours and 50 minutes.

Yeah, that's right.

That's right.

You live here.

Okay.

What I had was necessarily because I was so deeply offended by that story.

I really checked into it and was told that it was because it was so, so large.

That's great.

Okay, fine.

Very nice of you.

And then I have two questions.

Bill's office.

Yes, Mr. Vice President, I don't need to touch with your staff on this, but we thought that Mike Dunn was a great commentator.

I was a great commentator.

And the secretary.

Let's go spend all of our time berating those people.

That really is a beautiful...

I would like to ask more to respect what the vice president's impressions were about the Arab countries.

Yeah.

Particularly because it fits in, I was out recently in Sudan.

The fact is that... You mean hanging that phone?

Well, no, excuse me, I was up in April.

The Russian, really, if I were to look at a Russian table in Sudan, Numeri was leading to the West and he had his best friend come in to see me.

He's the ambassador of the U.N. and he was going to go back and become a minister in the government.

And he sent in some other people to talk to us about the coup relations.

The communists, I'm speaking about the Russians now, tried a coup.

And what happened was, in its most simple form, was that Sadat and Gaddafi, from Libya and Canada, worked out a countercoup.

They had Sudanese troops who were along the Suez airlifted from Egypt, backing the platoon.

They captured the two communists on the British plane in Libya.

They had a countercoup.

They executed the leading Russian supporters, including the number one communist in Africa, which they executed today.

The Russians tried to prevent the executions.

They made a major effort to prevent the executions.

So this has been a tremendous turnover.

I got a message from Sadat yesterday, one line, and it said, Israel cannot get rid of the Russians in the Arab world as we can.

And obviously, what he and Sadat and Khomeini are trying to do, there's no doubt about it, they want their support, but they don't want the Russians to take over their communities and all these Arab countries

No, I'm going to let him to get back.

We don't have any other.

We have an intersection.

That's a very interesting country.

I was there in 55, 57.

It's a fascinating country.

It's a combination of the black and the Christian.

That's part of the problem.

Black Africa comes together with the Arab Africa.

I grew up in Miami.

Gosh, it's a

I think we've got a real opportunity now, if we could work out an interim settlement to make some inroads here as well.

This applies to Algeria, this applies to Sudan, and certainly applies to Egypt.

So the press basically just pulled it over.

Did Hassan Singh start a call on Mr. President on this situation?

As he, his president, you know, he knocked it off against the Arab side.

Was he, was he, let's see, were you there after the attempt on the deaths?

Yes.

If of course you were.

Yeah, you had a meeting with Mr. Wheatley, was there?

We were sitting around the house, and they've already put all the flashback in, actually, of all the motorhomes.

Did you see Ash's statement before the congressional committee, or something?

She said the Democratic candidates for party reminds him, as old economy of the king of Morocco's birthday party.

But he's never had a cigarette.

Listen.

No, he doesn't.

I don't like anything he writes, but he wrote a devastating article about the United States at the start of the United States.

Attacking?

Yeah, it's pretty devastating.

Probably because of the, yeah.

One interesting observation was made about the Israelis in Afghanistan was that none of the Arab countries trust the imported

They could just deal with Diane, who is a Jewish Arab, or anything that's going on.

But this is recurrent to me.

Yeah, I see, because Golda Meir basically is a person from America, is that right?

She's really Russian.

Is that right?

Yeah, she came here as a Jew.

How did he know?

I see.

that he thinks like an actor, but he doesn't understand.

So now he's very respectful of what you're saying.

It's a very interesting thing.

And I had to push him for a second, but he realizes it.

Franco was powerfully receptive of the China mission.

How was he?

That's a good question.

How did he look?

He had a good day.

A little bit.

Well, he had a good day.

He talked about it.

Oh, well that's much better than we were.

We were there.

It was one of the most painful times we ever had.

We had, actually.

We had dinner.

And he went and he messaged the airport.

He couldn't argue with it.

We went for a call.

And he just sat there almost like a toad.

He just stood there like a mummy.

And remember, that's why Lopez Bravo stepped in and was talking all the time.

He's physically weak.

You can tell.

He has this palsy.

But he talked.

And he talked about the world.

He did a lot of talking and stuff.

He's smart and smart, and he's moderate, very moderate.

He impressed me.

Well, he kept pulling his lead.

And the next day, we went out to that big celebration on the playground.

How was that?

It was interesting.

Yes.

But I don't know.

When the interesting thing happened there, they had all the diplomats there.

Franco took me around the line and introduced me to all the ambassadors and chargeys.

We got way down the end of the line, the old Cuban chargey that had just been back two days.

After he shook hands with Franco and he moved on, he saw me and he moved back in line to find some of the good shit guys.

And the line across, curious.

What did you think of, who was the, did you get enough, did you get enough feel of Spain to see how the succession fight was going?

Who saw the comments?

I don't know.

I think Logan's problem is that he's not as aggressive as anybody there.

He thought Tom was that way of talking, that's for sure.

They're trying to go like, I don't know.

You meet the vice president.

I spent an hour.

He's a capable man.

You don't think so?

You don't think so when you first meet him.

Oh, he's quick.

You notice his mind is just like that.

I like him.

Strong.

And, of course, the fight, I think, basically is between the middle of the straw and the bottom.

I don't know which way it's going to go, but.

In a conversation one time, I saw a chance to have a little interesting comment.

I said to Franco, in response to the question about the African countries, about Ethiopia, and I said, and President Kenyatta is still quite capable, but he has seen fit to entrust a lot of work to a very capable prime minister.

And they all laughed.

They thought that was great.

Because Frank has held up doing anything about the head of the government.

I mean, they all are eager for him to do something, but they should press him on, aren't they?

Juan Carlos nurses.

It's funny, Lopez Balboa was constantly on Juan Carlos to be his supporter, so he's pushing Mando to do something more, as far as Juan Carlos is concerned, if he can get more power.

And Lopez Balboa constantly on Juan Carlos.

is because Juan Carlos would have a very important voice in the community against Franco's death.

The fact is, Juan Carlos, in terms of composition, is not all that enthusiastic about a little bit of Bravo.

He was a little concerned when he was here, because Juan Carlos had a little bit of Bravo.

He had changed himself a little bit.

He ran out.

I was like, I still want to meet with Franco.

Because he's a more mature man, and he has got that tremendous ego.

There's another fellow named Lopez Mori, who's got a good shot at it.

He's very far from what the religious group must be.

The Opus Dei.

The choice of the Opus Dei.

And he's a little quieter, but the others are all very strong.

I think the impression of Franco is hold on, hold on, hold on.

He's just going to stay there and die.

That's the impression I'm supposed to say.

We had a party for the Portuguese at the Ambassador's residence last night, and Patricia asked for additional time.

In conversation, I'd recommend you read that.

But he was very strong.

He was a very strong guy.

We had to do something about it.

$30 million in appeal for a year.

We can't go as far as that.

We start paying pretty much money in the day, so there's a time when maybe we should do more.

We can give a little bit more.

But you know, his concern is not so much in the substance.

Well, in my opinion, particularly these people, Lopez Bravo, Lopez Bravo used the settlement on a Spanish basis, politically.

Well, they kept saying the Spaniards got much more, and they're a big number.

I explained it to Trisha.

I went over it in detail.

The Spaniards didn't really get very much, but we gave them a method of presenting it so that it looked like a big package, and Lopez Bravo did that.

And I said, Trisha, we'll give you a package that you can exploit.

as long as the substance doesn't come out very much.

We can work out a loan authority with one of the banks, so we can't say we've got, you know, we've got the authority to borrow $400 million or something like that.

We can't borrow that much.

They don't have that much need for it.

But he just concerned politically.

I don't think he feels that this is unfair.

He just feels politically he hasn't been able to sell it yet.

One thing about Portugal is you're well aware of all the deep

We've done this, we've resisted an awful lot of pressure in this country, you know, to condemn them and do a lot of other things.

Since we came in, the previous demonstration was always the side of the blacks against the British.

Frankly, I wish we could be more on their side.

It's too bad they can't pound their whole damn continent together.

Well, there's, Mahulu wants to serve the enemy here.

He's a very funny man.

He said, this is not a government of the right.

He said, this is not a government of the left.

And he made a couple of mouthfuls that eluded him.

He said, not a government of the center either.

I know there's other industries too.

But I think he was trying to mitigate with his government whatever he wanted to do.

He's really a good man.

He said he's got a lot of balls.

He's got a lot of .

But he's a .

How people love them.

Do you know what my feeling is?

I would think it would be better to get him out of the car program.

You got this cannibal's boat.

Did he take you out of his helicopter?

Listen, I don't get nervous.

Look at him.

He's got a boat, a riverboat.

I tell you, I enjoyed that.

I did.

You're okay.

He did.

I got out of his helicopter.

He went in the damn helicopter on the boat.

It's like a...

It's like a horse.

It's like a pig.

It's not very big.

It's a Mississippi River boat.

It came out of a boat.

That's really what it is.

It's a converted boat.

And he's got everything in it.

You can think of it.

Sound systems.

Telemark.

But he lands it in a helicopter while the boat is in motion.

And it's just a small boat.

And I was a little nervous about flying it.

He's got Belgian pilots.

He's got two Belgian pilots.

Full-time pilots in this helicopter.

And they're very good flying.

Distinguished looking Belgian pilots.

Man, I'm sure they're with the military.

I'm sure they're getting him.

Well, I, well, I, but he was feeding my servants.

Did you see the fire bolts that he got those here?

Yes, well, no, they're on the other end of the column.

He's got three fire bolts.

He had all the French habits.

He had French food.

When he had to walk out, he'd take all the mass.

and all of a sudden he'd see a crowd of people on the bench and he'd say,

He really is a, he's a national television, a national television.

And he seemed to be popular as he wanted to be.

Well, as far as you can tell, he did, he did.

He drafted into the army, closed the university and drafted all the students into the demonstrator program.

And they, they were marching out.

I had three platoons of these students and he said,

And there they are.

He said, hey, they're wonderful now.

They've got a little discipline.

He said, I just made a bunch of PFC the other day.

And I'm making it in the reserve space.

And he says, I'm sure it's all that trouble.

Boy, as long as he lets it, he's ready to let it go.

If he goes, he's out of here.

He's one of the anti-communists.

I've never seen him work on that.

I think he just is there.

He was here and apparently his wife was very attracted to him.

The guy certainly seems to have a very good feeling toward us as well.

Oh yes, he thinks we're his friends.

Charles, as a matter of fact, I used to have to think that you had been there.

Bill's been there.

I had been there before I was president.

He's been here.

And he's been here.

We've done Congo pretty good, too.

You could say we're in a horrible mess, but it was all...

They were all fighting each other.

Yeah.

He has spent... President, the palace, these buildings, and the gardens up there are unbelievable.

He spent that much in the White House, and he'd be run out of money.

Yes.

Over.

You know, we've done a lot of work with the Chinese.

Although that guy, he's not a Chinese.

He's got Chinese coats.

He had a lot of Chinese back then.

He didn't work in the battles.

So I'm just going to get this over here.

I heard that the other guy heard this and walked me around and he maneuvered from the breast of the tire.

When he presented me with this monkey cloak, he draped it over me, and I'm sure the press was there to get me, and I'm sure they were very gracious to me.

We had a few of them.

No, that was the one with the pretty skull.

I got it.

Oh, yeah, you mean the one with the logo?

Yeah, the one with the logo.

Everybody's just...

But anyway, we're glad to have you back.

I was trying to suggest that it might be useful, Henry, if you could give why she wasn't the new Special Affiliate.

You know, let me say, we're the only ones that have had a new bill of process, and I haven't.

and you will have it, and that's all.

Because I don't think we want to go, I don't think we should go beyond this, and we're not restricting any papers, you know, this is only something on this matter, so if there are no papers to be restricted, God damn it, this is one of the key questions.

Bill hasn't set up beautifully the state, they have no papers, but I told you, Bill, if we wanted anything, and Chuck, he'll get it.

He'll get it, I should put it in the background, because he's got to know what this, you know, what the situation is, just whether it's true or not.

I talked a little bit about the car, but not about the sources of the story.

The sources of the story are going to be in the U.S. and Michigan.

You're running the U.S. Yeah.

Incidentally, we're going to have to, we can't, with all the common security consequences, even if we talk to Japanese and Australians, we want to say, no, we shouldn't do it.

We're going to have to.

We're all going to have to say it because we recognize that the majority of members want a security conference.

So if we go to the U.S. State, then we can go along with it.

We can't otherwise lose the fight.

It's going to be a lot of trouble.

But we've got to, that's the fight we want to win, the fight to expel.

Can I say the problem with that?

You've got to... Well, Taiwan wouldn't like it.

Well, I think they'd like it very good, but let's be bold.

They, Taiwan, would get bold completely if we didn't do it.

But, well, you said Beijing had one more father in favor of Beijing than we thought of first, and that was just right.

Now, Beijing will yell if...

We can't give up.

The point is to tie them on the property if we win the expulsion.

I was thinking about Friday, but I think it's a little early.

If I could do it, Friday would be a good day.

We've got a little coverage over the weekend.

It could all be favorable coverage, but it's a little... We've got to be sure we can sell it.

Let me suggest that we can do it.

Can I suggest that?

I have to do, I'm not going to do, I haven't done anything professional.

I'm going to do, and this is not wrong, because I have to do, and I'm not going to say it, but it's still on a working basis.

Next Wednesday, not this Wednesday, I probably will just have him in the office here, and give him a shot, and then you can borrow any questions, and kind of say, I think the best thing,

for me at that point probably would be if I could say that the Secretary of State tomorrow is going to stay in our position rather than to have to comment on what you have stated.

What do you think?

If you have stated a decision, well, no, it could work either way.

Either way, I think it's good.

I know it's very good.

Yeah, that's the situation.

If I tell you it's going to be this Friday or Monday, then you can say, well, I'm going to head down on that subject.

Either way, he has it better.

Well, if you could go Monday or you could even go on a Tuesday, I don't think you're missing.

But if you do go Thursday, let's do it next week.

Then I will prepare.

Then in my briefing paper, I mean, the week that you work up on this, let's prepare both ways.

I've got to have it when I go to California on Sunday.

The second thing is that I think the main part... Did you cover me?

I think you covered the same part of Rio's thing.

We can believe it.

We have checked it out.

We can say Taiwan Security Council said we would do it.

We do not have rules.

The British deserted.

The Canadians deserted.

on the important question thing.

If you can't do the important question thing, then they're in.

Now the point is, what do you do about the other thing, on the expulsion thing?

And there, by making that a two-thirds vote, you think we might be able to hold them.

That means that I will not be expelled.

It's a tough one.

So we may lose that.

We have to recognize we may lose it all together.

But we're going to fight.

Well, we've got a good fight to save the seat.

But in order to win that fight, we have to have security posts.

I think that we should say, I think the way to handle it is the way you just stated, is that they'll say, what is this?

Is this a, don't you consider it an important question?

Yes, we do.

I mean, I mean, the important thing is that, on the other hand, that we are members of the United Nations, that we have, that we have, and that our protected political and procedural situation indicates that

to the majority of members of the United Nations, or in a way, therefore, starting on that basis.

Well, I have a back-up statement I'll send over, which you can look at.

It's a pretty good statement.

I think my job would be to read the statement, just as I did on the Pentagon Papers, and answer your question on that subject only.

And that is a pretty good statement, and I can send it over.

And then you won't have to answer some questions.

How does this affect Taiwan?

How does it affect the United Nations?

Was this a read-through?

Was this a data?

What did you do?

There were no conditions to answer to none given.

I would like to get some of those questions answered.

I would say this, that it would be better if Bill really went before me.

He said, you can just, I don't know if you're thinking of that.

Yeah, I can say that the secretary should cover that up.

I haven't had anything to add to it.

Well, if you had a person the other way, I had to do it.

I mean, you can't get it out of the way if you like.

You're well-safe.

Well, that looks like a dodge.

Yeah, I had to wait for the lady to make a little, and I made the lady's one.

Oh, I think you should move on before that.

But if, uh, now, how about congressional?

I'm going to talk to him.

and I want to talk to a doctor or somebody, and I might even tell them.

I just want to go to the general associate manager and assume they can take you in and talk to you.

And I won't say anything.

We haven't said anything.

And I'll tell them, and we'll let them know.

In fact, I guess I'll try to do it some more.

Then we'll let them know, and I can finally see.

Thank you.

I think you'll set the paper around your shirt before you just...

Okay.

All right.

You can, you can, you can, you can, you can, you can, you can, you can, you can, you can, you can, you can.

And he said that he wanted you to know.

He didn't know that.

Trudeau has agreed, is invited for Stegan to come to Canada.

And that was announced at the time he was there, that he'd extend the invitation.

Because Stegan did not press him to come.

Mitchell Shaw said that he wanted to alert you to this, to...

to say that he would sort of hope, he, Mitchell Childs, would hope that David Sandin's invitation, I know you're feeling it, I'm just repeating myself, but he thought that maybe some advantage, well, that even if you didn't come first, that if, if you say that you were coming in, that you'd accept it, that they invited you first and you agreed to come in the spring or summer, he said Trudeau's going to have his election next fall,

And if he wants to get this out of the way soon, because he's not sure whether this will play vote or not in Canada, whether it will help him or not politically, he thinks it would be harmful to Joe, politically, if it appeared there was a split between the United States and Canada, even from Ireland.

He also volunteered for Joe to say that he wasn't sure about that and would react in the election.

He thought that anything that appeared to be a split first between two good neighbors

Probably not, because we have two of you who share politically.

And he said you could just report me about it and let me think about it.

And he said you could do it any way you wanted to.

You could, if you wanted to come to a board and say that you'd like it, but that's because they couldn't come.

Well, he said he probably could try to get it out of the way this year, probably this fall.

But he could delay it.

He said there's no date set.

And if the president wanted to come, why didn't he?

or another alternative would be to say that the President had an invitation to extend his point of action.

The President said that he would like to come whenever it is in the spring.

The thing he doesn't want is to appear that the Conceding is coming and that there's going to be the Russians

But now the one-on-one relationship is cool off, and I think that's something we're considering.

Yeah.

Well, in parts, we also have to consider what our anchors deserve by helping him in his election.

Which one?

I mean, maybe that... Well, he didn't put it on those...

I mean, I think what he was saying is basically what we want to consider in terms of what we want in the election.

Yeah.

And I think it is a matter of health.

Well, it could be long-term.

It could be.

Right.

I don't know.

I just don't know.

I don't know.

But I say to my husband, he said, he's going to be on a two-weeks vacation.

I said, can I reach you?

And he said, no.

I said, I'm just going to go to the studio.

I'm going to be there in two or three weeks.

I thought that thing was behind me.

OK.

All right, Jimmy is one of those things where we should just blow up, right?

Oh, I didn't care about the crime.

I just don't want to help Trudeau.

In fact, he's a no-good son of a bitch.

That's what I mean.

I really think the issue is considering the love of virtue.

Exactly.

Well, that's why I wanted to do the general politics.

Some of them, they care.

Well, I hope you're here on a different time.

Thank you.

And he's probably going back to Hanoi, which explains why they wanted 4B.

So we're at the breaking point now.

And that explains the meeting to me, because

They settled every issue, except the political one.

And on the political one, he was vapid.

There was nothing he said, like, you know, make a secret deal to overthrow Jew.

That's not a serious proposal.

It doesn't even help him, because he needs the public.

He needs something that we can sign.

So he was just stalling for time, knowing he was afraid.

I knew that's why he wanted 4B.

Who do you think is the White House source?

I don't know.

You can bring me some consummate.

You have consummate?

Just bring me some consummate.

I don't want to treat him like this.

I bet you he'll throw the cue ball down there.

No.

Oh, he didn't.

Ah, he did.

I'm not, I don't see any great advantage to us.

I don't think you are, I don't know who the hell cares whether you've been in Canada or not in your election.

I'm not sure I ought to go there.

They, the Canadians, are going to have the son of a bitch.

I'm just not going to go.

I don't think the Americans are going to give a woman a hand, whether I answer the question.

The relationship is not, they're not, he wants to, he's played them for that in that bag.

All right, fine, he'd go.

So the Canadians, let them play their Russian game.

That's my question to you, but we don't have a second.

The Germans can't do any better to counteract.

A second thing with regard to the U.N. sounds about as good as we can do on it.

I don't see that you gain a hell of a lot by saying that.

Yes, because otherwise it looks as if you're shuffling the tough ones around.

I just want to make sure his statement is okay.

Bill Buckley had called me just about half an hour before he talked.

He said, I want you to know we're going to work our butts off for the president next year.

There's no chance that we'll do anything else.

But he said, I've been telling him all spring that they needed a group to counteract the liberals.

And he said, we realize we conservatives haven't been vocal enough

I said, yes, but God damn it, don't be vocal against the president.

Be vocal against folk rock and country.

And for example, I know that the police don't look foolish.

Look, there's more things happening.

Their idea that, for example, look, who the hell is talking to you, Mr. Stanton?

Who the hell is fighting for Libya?

Who the hell is fighting to keep our defense things up?

They say that we ought to have more defense.

Where the hell are they going to get the votes?

Well, it can't be turned off anymore.

I tried to talk him into it.

But he said he's leaving for Europe tomorrow.

He said he's full of goodwill towards you and towards me.

And he promised me that within a week of his returning from Europe,

He would go and come down here, or to San Clemente, wherever we are, and talk to us, or talk to me.

But I didn't have any impression of ill will.

Let me say this.

In a way, it's not too bad.

With China, it's a great asset.

Great asset with China.

That's the way I have it figured out.

No, I think it's an asset, and it even helps us with the liberals here to show that the goddamn conservative, that there is a conservative movement in this country.

I'm taking the middle car, so someone will swear on the conservative congressman how they're saying much greater how they're saying much better.

But on the field, you want to...

All you need to do is thank him for his help.

I can handle the Pakistan business with him.

I've got to see this ambassador.

I'm sorry.

I've got to see him an hour away.

I just wanted to go back to the director's story.

He's running on the Federal Reserve Board in terms of reorganization of the

I think it's just speculation about how the president is just, it's nothing, nothing.

I mean, there's all sorts of stories like this at all times, but none of this, none of this has been brought to this kind of the attention of the president.

I'm not sure it's true, I guess, that we, but this is a question.

I called Secretary Conway, and none of this has been brought to this kind of the attention of the president.

quite aware of this .

What I'm saying is simply that .

Then on the matter you raised before, just 11 conservatives .

Just no comment.

Yes, no comment.

Yes, they don't comment.

They're telling their views.

Why don't you just say that .

And I wouldn't, because I figured, you see, Ron, it's an easy thing to just be a part of.

In terms of the foreign policy, we live with a right and a right to sue, so that the Chinese don't think we're coming there with all the American people slumbering over there.

They've got to think that, my God, they're a few Americans.

And also that they think you are the only man who can control them, because if they scream that much at you, how would they scream at a gentleman?

Oh, right.

They impeach me.

They would impeach me for this.

It's a good one of the things I did the other day.

I talked to Senator Conley on the budget and about his trade.

He said we have good news some months and not so good news in the other months.

We welcome good news.

This is not unexpected good news, but that doesn't mean we welcome it.

And then I thought you picked up your line that you used in the Republican members' appropriation meeting on the budget.

The full employment balance is .

If you move from a war to a peacetime economy, you've got to dig up the slack in the economy.

And one of the ways you dig up the slack is .

is through the budget device.

But once that slack is taken up, then we go back to the concept of balanced budgets.

I finally reached Howard Stein.

He called me from Europe.

He's been traveling.

And I said, I just want to press, I want me to call you.

And he said, he's getting a little worried you're a bad prophet.

He said, you asked us to give you good news and your market would go up to 1,100.

And now you, we've given you good news, the market didn't go up.

So he wonders whether you should sell his trifles, trifles, say, if you are putting them in chocolate papers.

And he said, well, the problem was, he said, on the day that it happened,

I know, that's the main problem.

I'm sorry.

This was a subsidy trip.

This trip was taken for substance, not cosmetics.

And it served a very useful purpose, particularly in this period, in this time, in terms of our foreign policy in the areas that we visited.

And that he will report, I mean, I shouldn't say he's going to report, but he will be investigating all this.

So he reported to you and the secretary for an hour and a half?

For an hour and a half.

We had an hour and a half of discussion.

He's got to have further discussions later and so forth.

And they say it was a brief talk, but he didn't know about the time.

You know how to handle that, right?

Actually, he knows as much about it as anybody, correct?

In fact, he had an interview.

I think.

I'll be looking into that.

Okay.

So he says that actually he thought that Arthur Burns, with his bearish statement, so that people are still sitting on the fence.

Oh, he says it's a tremendous gift.

The president is enthusiastic.

Congratulations.

Best moves he's had.

Oh, they are.

And that's not a mention.

That's a fact.

And, you know, you can tell it's not.

I don't mean the congressman.

Well, this fellow T-Bolt called me up and he said three more tough executives called from all over the country.

Could they come to this dinner?

One is from Atlantic Oil.

The other is from the president of Westinghouse.

About 18 tough executives.

Head of North American Insurance Company.

It's a very good group.

I've got the list somewhere.

It's got that whore McGeorge Bundy.

He's the only one that shouldn't be there.

He always has somewhere.

He'll be small, Henry.

He won't have one.

Eighteen.

He was going to have twelve, but he said that a man was so unbelievable that...

I agree with you.

I think you ought to lay it right on cold as I get the old...

I think those guys need to hear presidential leadership confidence that this is a man who can do the same thing.

The economy and everything.

I'm beginning to understand a little of that crap.

Oh, I'll put it out there.

I've got to get to that New York Post article, too, for that future.

I know you're going to.

But that's the news I'd like to hear.

Of course, I'll be damned if I don't think that we have at least a 50-50 chance to break this.

These guys would not send a high-level delegation to Moscow and pull Lidochov back from Paris unless they very seriously considered doing something.

And when they asked for the four-week interruption, I knew they were going back to Hanoi.

You don't need to go back to Hanoi.

But hell, I didn't get Bill all of the stuff I told you, so I didn't.

I'm not going to have any more weeks.

And the reason why we can make this work is if I can work out the agenda with Joe before you get there and to communicate.

And I may threaten him to call off the trip while I'm there.

I mean, so far, Raf Saab has always worked with these guys.

I mean, it won't come to that.

He'll work it out.

I'd like to say thank you for all of your business.

All right.

Thank you, sir.

The last time I saw you, I was like, what's the point of this position?

All right.

When you look back, it's on the side of sometimes that we get up.

Do you think I should have him take that letter?

I'm going to write it.

I'm writing it.

Or should I have the, and this would be nice.

Well, I'm writing it.

Yeah, yeah.

See it.

It might be a nice idea, but to be with a very amateur faculty, how would that be?

Very amateur.

Needless to say, you now realize how important it is for us over here.

And I think that an indication of how much confidence we have is to be candid and just on the floor with us.

Except for Henry, he's not a very staff guy, so I don't know.

The only people that knew about this is my staff, my man, and everybody else.

We're the three of us in America.

There's nobody else.

And Dr. Andre, there's no reply to this.

There's no reply to this.

because we couldn't inform him, obviously, because he would have to tell us if I stayed, but I did not.

I was not informed, and we had said that he was, and we hinted enough, but we did not, but you were informed, and as Henry and I both said, thank God we had one of our appointees there, and the other guy had played a hell of a good role, and I hope you can see why you're here, it's there, that's why you're here.

He was perfect.

Right when I had him.

And actually, I think he's coming in tomorrow.

We're going to thank him too, but during the time that Ethan and I, we spoke and Dr. Bishop and I spoke so highly of him.

Splendid role and how he was so circumspect and so forth.

Because we can't conduct a policy in this world anymore, particularly in this damn government, without doing it just out of our hats.

Of course, who ran through this thing with the State Department?

Do you remember?

Well, you have to say.

They must have gone home.

Oh, they did.

Did they play the part?

Well, basically, they were acting.

They were acting.

I must admit that that morning, I was up at 4.30.

At the time, I was in the house with the mayor of Mexico.

I had sang a few old prayers to the Lord.

I didn't tell you what actually was decided.

Well, frankly, you could have told me, because I had the option of holding the lights.

But when the announcement came, it didn't come on the portion where it played it on.

How did he get it then?

I got it by the voice of Mark.

I didn't tell him the first time.

They had come at 7.30 and came at 5.30.

I heard your voice.

Well, I'm gratified that I can play this part.

I don't need to do it.

It's good.

You know what you say, yeah.

It was good.

You said that a few days we'll be done in here.

Yeah.

Well, that's what I've got to write.

You know what I'm thinking really concerns us now?

I don't know if it's a miserable campaign.

I don't know what you can do about it while you're here.

It's against Pakistan.

Do you think he'd be doing any cheating that's over here lobbying for the Indians when he was here?

Do you think he ought to try to say any good about the facts while you're here?

I can't.

But if he was going to, I agree.

Although I would try to maintain a relatively low profile.

Because I didn't want to get questioned, particularly as a child.

On that, you hear how very many of you sat on the same thing.

I saw Chuck Percy today at a luncheon that Trent Kellogg gave to the State Department and several economists, and they all wonder why my person wasn't known.

Why could I appear before the committee?

I had no comment to make.

I don't know.

I had a comment from Robert J. Sullivan this morning, and he was quite hopeful that I could appear before one of the committees.

I agreed with Charlie Gray, who was quite honest, over to the State Department to give a background to the press on Friday afternoon.

That's better than a testimony.

That's better.

That's where it counts.

The hell with the Ann Congress.

There is another side of this picture, and I can say with complete candor that we are pushing Yaya to the point where he reacts.

The reaction will be such that the entire subcontinent will respond.

I mean, this fight, he'll fight, and he may go out of his box and close out.

The Chinese will come right down through Assam, West Bank, and carry gun suits on their feet.

Furthermore, the Chinese will come across the Token Pass and start guerrilla warfare occasionally.

And they'll have aliens surrounding them.

And the separatist forces are ending today because that's what's at stake.

That's a very stark picture, but it's one that's not overdone.

What do you think our position should be?

I think we're doing what we should.

This is the policy that I joined in.

I don't think we can overplay it all, but I don't think we can look at the percentage of the cause of the accident.

Mr. President, I was telling this morning that, as a matter of actual fact, this problem goes back to about the year A.D. 712, when they supposedly first invaded the Senate.

And there's been no peace in the subcontinent since that time, because the Hindu

The Muslims had nothing in common with this world.

Every great point of their lives are diametrically opposed.

Economic, political, social, and most decidedly, their beliefs.

One place that I owe is the other place that prays to one god.

One worships the cow, the other eats the sheep.

It's a similar thing.

And last year there were 521 communal riots in Egypt, if you know what I mean.

And what the Indians are really after, that became clear to me on my trip.

I don't know whether it was in Pakistan or in Greece.

They are so obsessed about East Pakistan because they think that we're at West Pakistan.

They think that if they can undermine

East Pakistan, that in West Pakistan so many forces will be, will unloose, will be to unloose, that the whole Pakistan issue will disappear.

They're in West Pakistan they hate, rather than East Pakistan.

Oh sure, that's what they fear, East Pakistan.

The thing that, the matter is that if you're convinced so, that Yahya will fight before he allows that to happen.

Oh he will.

He will commit suicide.

Yes.

The sense of defeat, the pastoral defeat is a minor consideration as opposed to their sense of national unity.

And they remembered almost every adult alive over there.

Recalls the time of partition, in fact, when they had all their arms around the stars.

They acknowledged figures over a half a million.

The figure most people believe is way in excess of a million people.

And 15 million refugees were on the road.

What a situation that really is.

Of course, you can always use science and everything, but do you think the aliens are getting all this stuff out?

These terrible stories and so forth.

There are past masses of propaganda that Pakistan is a dover.

How do you look at you?

Can you perhaps put a little of that perspective on it?

Anyway, the, uh, the, uh, I think if you could, uh, if you could, uh, nominate those emotions, we, uh, we discuss, uh, okay.

There's one, one more question that, uh, I promise I won't set the date.

I promise I won't set the date.

I promise

On March 25th, we have sent over 2,200 rounds of .22 ammunition for survivable rifles.

We're down there.

That's all.

This talk about Arlington is just, and guns, and the history has properly done a huge job.

It's good.

Forty to fifty percent of what's in the pipeline

is for spare parts for trucks and for communication, but without which the starving refugees cannot be fed.

Good, good, good.

So these are, you ought to lay it right out.

And also, since everybody's concerned about the refugees, let's not aggravate the problem.

Let's try to help on the problem.

And the main thing, let's not stir it up.

If they stir it up too much, it will be a bloodbath down there.

It will be.

It could be all of a sudden.

We warned the engineers, and they started hitting it.

And believe me, it would be a kind of a pleasure, as far as I'm concerned, if it was just cut off every day.

But if any, we give them a taste of whatever it's worth.

The other guy told me there's a 10.29 chance within the vehicle where drills are being tracked.

I hate to tell you this, Mr. President, but the road is growing by leaps and bounds.

They're averaging 18 Pakistanis a day now.

They're averaging two British a day.

And this is driving more refugees into it.

And once the refugees get there, they're being prohibited and prevented from coming back.

by endearing some statements.

And I'm loving the combination of her book meets Bangladesh.

This is the back.

Well, I think we just continue on our line.

As you know, we're having a hell of a time keeping the State Department bureaucracy hitched on this thing.

They're basically a pro-Indian.

When I say they, not all, but a lot of them.

And they want to believe that the American press is right and that the Indian press is, of course, American press is based on the Indian press.

All of them, they say.

Well, I've got some general words.

And Doc, he blew the whistle on the whole thing.

He's mad at me.

He's gone.

He's here in his apartment.

And the head of the USIS was Justice Tim Denchison, he's reporting.

He's got rid of him.

The one remaining, who is in a very critical situation, is a fellow named Eric Ruffell, who was

the head of AID.

He'll be out in September, but I wish he were out now.

I don't think he would go out without people coming through protections on the Hill.

And my guess is that he is the instrumental lead in some of this information.

You just keep right after her on this thing.

Well, you didn't get a job.

You saw the big ones, you know, where you were in Latin America.

That was interesting because you were in Central America.

What a reveal.

Well, you and Dad have been trying to follow the tree.

Well, Mr. President, I don't think it's just another area or another job where you have a great opportunity.

Well, that's what we know, and we have a few.

When I say that, I don't mean to give you the name of the land.

We're loyal to the country, the party, the people, but hell, you know they're loyal to basically the foreign service rather than the president, and I understand that.

But we also have our name on the line.

And, uh, you panelists, I think you should stay here because it's too damn difficult at the moment.

I think you ought to stay in this area and keep a little amount of anything else for yourself.

Well, don't give it too long because of family lives and other lives.

It's time.

When would you like to move?

Well, I will, I will this past two years come.

Well,

I don't want to pressure you on this, but I've been advised for health reasons to let you out of there.

Do you have a DCM or an ex?

He is totally on my team.

He is?

I'd like to see him as an ambassador.

If you told us, when you see Henry Lamarr telling this, uh, we, uh, I think we could do that.

I mean, but I just want to be sure we got a good strong man there.

Well, uh, I don't want to jump around because I still think there's a, several months of key work right now, which I'm certain to do.

Yeah, yeah.

Where would you like to go?

If you'd rather come to Washington, then go to Europe.

I used to speak Japanese.

Oh.

But I don't know whether there's any on the airtime.

It's been a long time ago.

It's a key spot.

Hold on a second.

Mention that again, everybody.

Japan.

Mike, either he says Japan or a European spot.

I understand.

Is there any place you'd ever be going to?

Of course, we've got some that are in the camp.

Not much older.

But I have a feeling.

There's a spot like the main that might have open extended Russian would be interesting.

I don't know if I'm there.

I don't know that there were any.

It's interesting.

But there might be something.

Have you ever been in an Eastern European country?

No.

They don't give you much of a chance to be alive, but we may be entering an era where there's going to be a lot more of that.

I think the timeline is going downhill, and I'll tell you, Mr. President, something I had not told the States before because I was afraid that there would be some repercussions.

But the Thai ambassador came to my residence one night, his long one, and said as a friendly monkey to be aware of the fact that there was a lack of communication between the U.S. ambassador and his prime minister.

Want to go there?

Give us a job?

And that work post, you know, the seal and all that, the ties and jerry, they're getting, they're getting them.

They see you're a minus on it.

They're like the Americans.

I've been asked for a, uh, retirement post.

I thought they'd never, no, you'd be a darn fool.

No, never, never, never, never in the States.

I'm like, Vienna, that's a lovely country over there.

That's what they do in Vienna.

Backpack would be interesting in Japan.

The enemy remains here would be interesting.

I got, I got a question.

You mentioned all those gentlemen, and I have heard of them before, but I don't want to say their names down there.

And, uh,

I thought you were a good brother.

Yeah.

Oh, I know.

I was trying to.

And in the meantime, huh, you just don't think we're going to find people, you know, that can do these jobs.

I got her to put in.

As time goes along, I'm going to put in more than we can trust.

Just take this as an example.

We didn't know that you would actually have kind of worked out this way.

No, no, no, no, no.

You know, it all started with my good relationship with Yahya, with our conversations, with his following through.

And then we came to the end of it.

And it's just one of those historical episodes in which we all play a rather interesting part.

So how do you react to that?

Well, I'm gratified, like, for what I did.

It was quite a thrilling one.

It was retrospective.

And you can also, of course, that's what you do to the British in India, right?

They'll say, well, were you aware?

You say, of course.

You said that?

Yes.

You had to be on a deal and say how long do you wear one for some time.

I'm just saying for some time.

Yes, because they know anyone with the...

I moved too many people around.

I couldn't have done it.

I was about to go.

I understand.

Well, my congratulations, Mr. President, and I don't know what this, whether it works or not, but the potential is that it can change the world.

It can change the world, as you know, for reasons.

that our liberal friends would like to all to narrow this in their own way in the wrong way and i say they all many of them see it as well despite the events of the chinese communist world library reformers wrong about them and they reading our expansion and so forth that's nuts but remember nobody nobody knows that

I know on my part that the only reason we're getting together is for our own self-interest.

And it just happens.

They coincide.

Everybody knows also, and as you all know, this has an enormous effect on the subcontinent, which would be beneficial to us, right?

It has an enormous effect, actually, on East-West relations, which might be, we can't say it is, but it's being set up anyway, Russians.

That is a potential effect.

Everybody's back in a tendency to put most of the emphasis on Vietnam.

We would have done it for that alone.

Or even for that primarily.

It is worth it because Vietnam has done it anyway.

I can tell we're on the way out and it's been a year or so long.

It's done from one way or another.

So that is a bad episode of investing.

But what this involves is really changing the game.

The United States is in a rut.

We're on the run.

It doesn't mean we've changed our philosophy, our time.

We're trying to let our philosophy live and have it survive.

And we can't survive in a world where we just didn't have more cars.

We needed to draw another car.

Correct.

And they needed another car.

I don't think I'd be able to do that forever.

They ought to take into the game 750 million people.

You just can't ignore them.

You've got to be brought in.

You can't leave.

Let us assume that we decided we weren't going to take them in.

So who else is going to take them in?

The Russians, of course.

Who else has the stature to deal with the Japanese?

So you leave 750 million people outside of the world, get them to be isolated, we can grow into a pure potential.

Then what does all this arms control business for the Russians mean?

So we get a deal, we make some sort of...

So we live our arms.

Does that mean that the other guy who raised him...

It's really, it finally has to be done.

It's one of those that's terribly difficult, and in particular, you know, our deep roots, my own deep roots in the story about the issues that I'm greatly passionate about.

for, I think, for Taiwan, Chiang Kai-shek, and the whole group there.

They're great people.

They've been our great plan.

That's right.

But on the other hand, our problem there is that, looking at the only thing that's, as far as their supply is concerned, that they're going to get rolled in the UN this year.

We had a hell of a time keeping them last year, you know.

That's an important question.

Yeah, this year they're going to get rolled as the British, the Canadians, the Italians, and all the junkies.

So, uh,

This is, we really, as much as we need, this is, it's allowed us at least to make a claim for it, you know, and to keep it from being expelled.

It's part of it.

You can't just say, well, $14 million is $800 million.

I'm gratified it was too locally, politically, that the foreign rate has caused too much in the way of climate.

Well, there will be some in that area.

There will be some.

There are a little congressmen and senators.

There was an Alabama congressman, what is that?

Another one.

I don't know.

But a lot of passmen, a Democrat from Louisiana, very conservative.

Jack Emerson, very conservative.

Wallace Republican, that example.

They said, boy, we're all going to fix that and so forth.

Because they see what the game here is.

Now, the right, however, in terms of basically the human events and the national view and so forth, they have to take this on.

But that in a way is probably good.

Good for a reason that we can't even discuss.

It keeps our friends, the Chinese side, from responding.

There are still some people in this country that we might turn that away, because who else can?

Well, as I said, I really pray the good Lord will give us a boost on this one because it means so much to mankind, to my kids.

We can take it, we can survive this thing, but I don't know what our kids do.

I talked to the American legions.

They called their gun logarithms, I should say.

The boys naked today.

And the truth of each state and center.

So it's just, well, they're a great bunch.

And I said, you know, what this challenge is about isn't about us, it's about you.

It's about where are you going to be in five years?

Are you going to be in the world of peace or so forth and so on?

That's what it really is about.

And we haven't, and the United States simply haven't played a role.

And I happen to be the fellow that had to do it because, you know, you have no Democratic, none of the three Democratic aspirants, Humphrey or Teddy or Muskie, could have gotten away with it, could do it.

I had problems, too.

If you think the right is, they will rebel somehow.

What do you think they'd do if they traveled?

Yeah, because they would not be, they would feel with some justification that they'd get over it and get their shoes taken off.

That isn't going to happen to me.

I mean, I think most people are aware of that, too.

I'm a pretty cool customer, I make deals, and that's the real asset that I had, which was to be played here.

And it's rather remarkable.

Well, as John Mitchell said the night before,

Pakistan.

And I want to just tell you what the economy is.

And thank God we had President Benjamin in the presidency of the United States at this very time.

And I couldn't agree more.

And I'm gratified.

We hope for the time.

We hope God is on our side.

As I had said, we've got everything on the side.

Thank you.

We're out.

We're hoping to get a good arrest out here.

I'll write that letter.

I don't want to have to look at it.

But I'll write it out in one hand and have you deliver it personally when you return.

That would be very nice.

He's got me, you know, the order letter ready.

But this will be so much.

Did you talk to Henry about the other thing?

He may.

I think he may feel you've got to stay here a while.

Well, there's another, there's another end of the tunnel, and I think this one, there is an end of the tunnel.

Oh, yeah, that's true.

No, no, no, no, no, no.

And, and, but yet, if you have to take it, if you've got a good successor, there's no problem.

If you miss the hour, I know that you might want to leave.

I, I didn't, uh, in any way indicate that to him.

He has no, no feeling for that.

But it's, uh, uh,

It's rather anticipated that that tour of duty is the two-year range.

Yeah, because it's common.

It's a hardship post.

Yeah, right.

It's a hardship post.

You know, we've all had, uh, we've all had dysentery until, until we'll have it.

That's right.

Yeah.

I see it's worn you down sometimes.

Most of it, no.

Yeah.

I mean, uh, all I'm worried about is you didn't have any dysentery that you get.

I may have.

I had it once.

I may have.

Years ago.

A half or an half of it, correct?

But they give you these pills.

The pills, you know, they kill it, but it, it tears you down.

That's not right.

The funny part of it was like, was it what I have now?

I got another big county accounting.

And we had two secret services which I got there that were laid out.

Well, I'll stop there.

Yeah, it's good to talk to them very quickly if you can.

And we work with them because we want them to do whatever it takes to act how we are.

It's very civilized.

to make noise and action.

That's what came through you.

Now, I have to tell you, if I just say one, yeah, people are going to laugh.

George Jacobs said to me, Joe, you ask me a tough question.

I want to tell you something.

What was that today?

No, this was before I left for Pakistan.

You'd better call him here.

Oh, I will.

He's a good friend.

Tell him that I asked you to call him.

I will.

Thank you, Mr. Frank.

Thank you a lot for what you've done.

No problem.