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And they put in Elliott in the morning.

Oh, I got that.

No, instead of the federal legislation.

Now that's on.

Actually, they put Elliott in instead of that Goldsmeade first thing in the morning.

Well, I don't want to go there.

I know.

That's been canceled.

That L.A. Richardson book didn't say it.

Can we avoid that?

If you want to, yeah.

I think we should.

He's asked to meet with you.

The reason would be to meet, have met with him before you meet with Reagan in California.

I'm well aware.

Well, that's not...

I'd put him off, but I don't know what to say.

Let's do a mixed surgery.

I don't mind.

I really need the time here to...

Start getting some thoughts together.

I'll give you something.

They figured it was a half hour.

Year time, they got her, said she'd go in at 6.15, grief, and then mingle.

Come out, and it said, who's going to mingle?

What's the purpose, I ask?

I just don't quite remember what I agreed to.

It's about 20 a.m.

Oh, I hate it when they do that.

It's just to, just to make them do this.

Kind of general wasn't gonna be here, but then,

of where your tenants were putting it together.

It was just to get up before the recess.

Unless, unless we know Tom Harris is here to assure, I really feel we should post a credit.

We can add rent later.

Father, I just say this.

Why don't we just press on and do it the next week?

I don't feel rushed at all.

I think it would be horrible if it was done the wrong way.

I mean, except one who wouldn't come anyway.

Aaron, Sprague, Royale, Nelson, Jackson.

You're right, Seth.

But I agree with you.

I'll keep those things a little loose on.

I've got a heavy weekend coming up, and I'd like to get quite good at all together at times.

I know what his views are.

I know so much.

I'm going to see Ray.

Can you report me to Earl?

Earl may not know what he's saying.

Prepare me a paper.

I'm going to see Ray at the telephone.

This is Ray.

Monday, or what we were out the next time.

And we were going to the airport to see people the next time.

Why do we hold everybody off dinner on this trip?

You're breaking the law.

Yeah, I believe too.

Hawaii's fine.

No.

He's talked already.

He's going to see them in his next year.

You know, our efforts have never been there.

Reagan's concern at the moment is to talk to you about a little bit.

If you find out whether, definitely let me know whether errands can or can't come.

If the city can't come, I've got to put it off a week.

Okay.

I need to know yesterday.

I understand the errands.

Under no circumstances is he praying to come.

Because I want him to be able to come.

He's very loyal to his home district.

So we'll let the subject meet you in the other hall next week, if you will.

I'm going to go on to the stage.

We've got a new kind of castle.

We're going to have a presentation.

I'm not sure we did.

It's actually by that side of the hallway.

I've never gone to be that way before.

No, it's a, you know, a presentation.

It's a picture.

It was the five kids at the convention or something like that.

They're just here for our purposes.

You will not be there.

I cannot help it.

to let you see him.

That's right.

Yep.

He's doing good.

Yep.

And we can't go because he's just... Don't you agree?

Sure.

And that's just...

Absolutely.

You're carrying a good excuse not to do it.

So that's all I'm going to say because Les Ernst and two or three others couldn't pay him.

We're going to take care of it there in his office first to see whether he can pay next Thursday.

And if so, just move it to next...

Exactly one week.

And then we'll keep you out of that pencil.

Just cancel and invite them.

Say what you need to because of them.

Let me say, when you call each, they don't need to know how many, etc.

Just say because there were several that had conflicts, we're putting it all in the lead for the next person.

Right.

That may be a problem because the House is going to be in session probably on Friday.

No, they don't come.

That is a problem.

They don't come.

Well, that's less.

That's the thing to do.

Otherwise, we'll put it off until after the recess, which is no problem either.

Got it.

If they can't, Thursday's a bad time, and we'll put it off after recess.

But just check it out.

All right.

That's good.

We'll open it up.

All right.

You're still holding on to them?

Yeah, they want to see them.

All right.

I can use the time to work on some of these.

Most of them, you know.

Well, let me move Tyler and the AG up, then.

So you can get finished and get out of here.

Get to work?

Yeah, yeah.

Well, Marty Anderson hasn't taken very long.

What is that all about?

That's something I'd rather not talk to you about.

I don't know what it's all about, and I thought he was coming back, but I guess I'm supposed to slay him on to the ends, I guess.

Okay.

Okay, bye.

Bye, Mike.

Everly, if it takes a half hour, Bob, to get each of these guys to come with us, it is worth it for me.

They're good people, and I thought we'd approve of them.

Well, Marty, I'm sure it's worth it.

Everly, it's worth taking a few minutes.

It doesn't have to take that far.

They're bigger than 15.

Why don't you just get them free, the other 315, actually.

How's that free here?

They get out at 3.30, and then I get out, and then I get out, and then I get here, and then I get stuff prepared.

And I just assume, Captain Gore, that unless they're getting an invention, I'd say it's not a good news day, and I'd put it on that day.

That's right.

Yeah, okay.

It should be very good for us.

Thank you.

And he said he was going to write the MRA.

He says there's somebody, he's of course very suspicious, on the White House staff who put out the story.

He was bandaged or completely gutted.

He turned into one of the China banks.

He says he thinks he knows who did it.

He writes the MRA.

He says he's had it before.

Who does he think?

I remember you.

I have a MRA collection.

You mentioned us before the MRA.

It's a niche that we've been studying.

I'm trying to remember.

He was factoring that during the election period, he thought Mitch was screwing him on something.

But it was Mitch on this one, I'm sure.

I don't think anybody put it out.

I don't think anybody had to.

He said that the White House source was more than fake.

You know, he said, God damn you, it's surrealism.

It's all the same.

His friends, I bet they had one.

He only had three good guys.

So we had to sit here and have a word with him.

Right.

Build up this trip.

Save us something.

And we, it isn't our fault, don't believe me.

I agree with him.

I said it was a compliment.

He just doesn't handle God and that kind of thing.

He said the reason he didn't want to go out, he said the press wanted him to go out and meet people and so forth.

He said I couldn't do that because

What in the name of Christ did he pay it all for?

See my point?

What in the name of God did he pay it all for?

Now, your trips are substantive trips, but you go out and meet people.

I know, I do.

For if not substantive, he should have only been one day to a place and done his substantive work.

Don't be a candidate for what he ought to do to get somewhere.

answers to conservatives in their own publications, you know what I mean?

Here's where he used some of his own writing talents and others.

You know, we've got probably some good records to use.

I just want to give a greater, just a good point.

Aaron says that either you're on the track, you don't think, and you'll see if you play some games,

I thought it would have been pretty well straightened out that Rogers was talking to me.

And I just reported that to the mayor.

I said, okay, be sure that they have a deal.

Now that's something I

Yeah, have that first.

That's better for Tower, I imagine.

How did John sound?

Did he have a good trip?

Was he very good?

He felt unwell?

He was quite upbeat.

He had ten good sessions in Switzerland.

I was very pleased about that.

He thinks he's got his deal worked out to get into the Swiss banks and all get the information and see what's after that.

what American depositors hold at Swiss Bank.

I know people, they hide all their stuff in the Swiss Bank, so we can't find out.

They were investigating me, so he wanted to know something.

Tracing the criminals and stuff, I guess.

And, good sessions, great news.

Very, I thought it would come very well.

I enjoyed that tea with the queen.

lunch at the Prime Minister and all the government poachers, what's wrong with the end of that before?

Well, of course.

We forget that when it's the United States, people will do things.

We do things for big countries, too, that we don't do for the ones we have, too.

There is a bunch of pitch, and I'm sorry, but that's all correct.

I think we've thought it through enough.

Rumsfeld always stayed here, and now he's talking, and you tell him, we just need him here.

Well, then I thought it was true, and I wanted to do what was best for him, and what I did, and he ought to take his diplomatic assignment later.

The stakes are too high, and he can't serve us too well going around and around there.

I don't mind him running there, you know, for a few weeks sometimes, two or three weeks, probably.

It doesn't have to be two or three weeks.

He can, you know, be shooting on for a three or four day, and then that keeps his credentials up.

He doesn't look a pure person.

Good.

Huge crowds.

I'm actually extremely enthusiastic.

Uh, hi, John.

Uh, you know, I haven't been talking to you in a little while.

I mean, I don't know if you want to see it, but I'm going to move the tower over there.

How about you, George?

All right.

Actually, the thing is, it's still a negotiation, so you can listen to Reagan without having to decide anything.

And it'll be locked up later.

So that's a pretty good posture, actually.

I talked to Elliot today about...

I did.

He knows you're going.

So that's good.

You did?

I was gonna say.

Good.

Thanks.

It's really terrible.

And the sad part of it is we can't get the important work out of that department.

We've got some really...

It's true.

And he's got nobody over there.

Well, I've been trying to get, I've been trying to get some policy work out of that department over a year.

you know, you lost, you know, we don't know anything about this, but the right man stepped up to a right nice, you know, he did for that anyway.

And, uh, our, he was called, uh, our, uh, friend in New York, uh, and, uh, it was, uh, very close to us.

He gave his concern, and we had, we had, he just controlled it.

We feel that this is hurting us politically, and,

otherwise, and so forth and so on.

But he didn't want to do that.

He didn't agree that was the case, and so forth and so on.

But I think that we got his attention.

Now, we have, of course, all the rest of us, I mean, I'm not saying we're, he's just playing it.

But he was like, well, this is our, you know, like, but I thought you should know, just play it.

And you're just playing dumb as hell, too.

Right, right.

Yeah, I think you could just say, well, these things, and then just, you know,

are always staring around here, but you've never heard me mention it.

And it's not the best way, but whatever comes to your mind.

But in the meantime, know that I don't understand.

Because we've got to get in some way to get him to say, if he says, what can he do, just make one positive statement.

He just don't want to say it.

As far as there are some positive things happening, because there are some as well, some things that are not positive.

Okay.

I see.

Oh.

Oh, I didn't mean to call you out on a meeting.

Yeah.

Oh.

Oh, I see.

You want to go outside?

I didn't know you, but those senators, I think it's smart for them to go over there.

And so, uh, I understand.

Absolutely.

And I, uh, I think it's very important.

So we'll, we'll, we'll just put this on fire.

I just had one quick question on the rail situation.

We've had a series of rules we've been making, and we're just going in.

The most recent one is to send us three out to Cleveland to meet with Luna, who's our sheriff.

That job, our sub-captain.

That's right.

Take one of those shoes.

That's the way it goes on.

Well, give it a little time.

Hudson felt it would be good if he could say that he is semi-miserated at the directing position.

That's what I thought.

I think in that field, you'd get options.

You'd just do what you want.

Then on the West Coast, on the longshore, Counts is calling a meeting of the parties.

Even though we know that the situation isn't too right,

And it's inviting Regan, McCall, and Evans.

And the purpose of the meeting is for the governors of the most affected states so that the party knows what the short-running pact is and also what the long-running pact is.

And then they'll have some press about that or the idea of that pressure from parties.

And also we're trying to

think of a whole series of things, as many as we can, that show action of one kind or another that we're taking and just sort of sitting around waiting for something to happen.

So on all these labor fronts, we're doing that in the steel situation.

Right now, it doesn't seem to be going so well, and both parties tell me that the other's being unreasonable, so I don't know why.

Well, on this thing with these falls, these are the senators.

These are the bursary senators up for re-election.

Well, they need to be reassured.

They're going to be better.

So you haven't got a, we got Arthur's attention, I know.

He's just fine.

We're going to keep his attention.

That's why I called Tom.

I didn't even know you were over there.

I just called to tell him not to let up because we're just going to, he wanted to come in and have a confidential talk with me.

I won't do it.

Hell, I've had three talks with him already confidential.

We've gone over the same material three times, George.

You know?

And I can't be in the position of asking, of having Dr. Burns sit here and say, well, good conscience, I have to take these positions by tenure.

But there's not going to be any more of this sugar stuff.

He wants to be a good boy, say something good, let him say it.

But all he has to do is go out and say there are some good things about the economy and some good things about the business, John, about the rest of it.

He's got the message, all right?

today, and 11 responses.

This has caused a tremendous, uh, amount of press interest, as you can imagine, sir.

And, uh, Ziegler's comments have, I think, had the effect of certainly intent of sort of removing it from you, sir, and saying, sir, I'd like to have a 30-point consideration.

I told Ziegler, sir, I'd like to just take his side.

Nothing's come to mind yet, but these things are always talked about, right?

The, uh, let me, let me ask you, uh, what do you suppose the Senator says, well, now that the stock market's down again today, what do you think Mr. Schultz should have been saying in his comments to the Interior?

Mr. Buchanan.

Well, I, I just keep repeating what you said, that the 1971 is going to be a good year.

1972 is going to be a very good year.

Here's what's happened in 1971 so far, and here's why we think the prospect is good.

The stock market goes up and down.

and the basic unorganized things that keep coming out of these profit statements that we see.

You know, the profit statements yesterday were very good, yet the market dropped.

I think this international problem is preying on people's minds, particularly that kind of people.

Well, they don't understand.

It is apparently preying on the minds of the consumer,

Sales continue very strong, and even machine tools have picked up some.

So that's as far as a big percentage gain has changed, I believe, from that time.

Well, with regard to the economic side, your feeling is that basically, as I asked John this morning, you feel we're on the right track and we should continue on.

Is that correct?

Yes, I'm trying to understand this international thing and to figure out how much of a crisis there is in Paul Booker's field with us.

This may be our last weekend like that.

And I keep saying to him, well, maybe so, but explain it to me.

Don't just, I know you're a great fellow, but don't make me take it on faith.

Why did it start last weekend?

And what are the things we can do about it?

And if we do, A, B, or C, what's likely to happen as a result of that?

And where do we go from there?

And I'm, yeah.

I'm talking to a co-worker at this point.

You're absolutely right, sir.

He said it was our last weekend before, too.

So he isn't known, and nobody can be held to prove it.

I know on a discount, if it turns out he's going to be right.

We're not going to panic about anything.

But did we get the budgeting out today?

That's out today at 23, was it?

23.2.

Right.

And what else do you have today?

Well, you have to buy bad news.

Retail sales come out next Monday or Tuesday.

I guess that's right, yeah.

And from all indications, that continues to be strong.

The basic structure is there.

And the only thing that's good for me is this international debt.

Good luck.

We'll see.

I hope I can get a little time to the environment.

Fine.

Yes.

Well, we'll work it out sometime either tomorrow or late probably or early.

I don't ever want anybody to leave a meeting.

I shouldn't.

No problem.

I know how they all feel, actually, that she was the president at the time she was on the first, but I'm not.

I mean, I'll tell them later.

Well, I don't think that I asked them to have this meeting.

Yeah, that's right.

I don't think, actually, that anybody realized that that's where he was when they called.

So, I don't think it doesn't have any problems over there.

This week is going to do a cover-up, probably, next week, apparently.

I hope they do better by hand than by hand.

We'll, uh...

The voice.

I think it's the month of the International, and of course it's the International Monetary Union, of course, in the race.

But, uh, the, uh...

It happens.

This is the month where your bad news situation sort of comes at once.

And it's just as well to have it come.

Take the bag down.

August will be a quiet month.

August, there isn't a hell of a lot of anonymous.

Have Steel Striker.

But that wouldn't come that soon, I don't think.

Could, but in terms of news and public attention and so on, August is down.

Steel comes up.

But...

But what I meant is that in terms of the news factors and so forth, you've got the budget out of the way.

Yes.

Just don't talk about this.

Right.

Don't talk about that.

The strong thing, John, I think it just hit a strong thing.

God damn it.

We've just got to think of this.

What are people doing?

Consumption.

People are buying.

Yep.

People are buying, right?

Hell, maybe they quit buying.

I don't think so.

I think the public attitude is fairly good now.

I'm sort of sensitive.

Advertising remains strong.

Does it?

Yeah.

Does it really?

And so I think that in those important areas, I don't think the average guy understands the balance of payments around this foreign business.

I tried a little more, but, uh, he said, consulate, please.

Well, okay.

I think he, uh, George will see me go tomorrow, but I'm gonna work something out.

I don't think he has any really pressing.

I think he just got out and said, so if it doesn't work out, I got to sit a day tomorrow.

Yeah.

Because I'm preparing for those silly things I had to do in the West.

Well, I doubt seriously that there's anything of terrifically high priority on the domestic side right now that

to be concerned about.

They can keep you posted on the strikes and that kind of stuff.

Okay.

You let me know whenever you or George want.

Well, I do.

You know, I may call.

George must never feel that he can't get something.

No, he understands that.

I've talked to him.

He's never worried one minute.

But we accumulate.

The other thing we do is we pick up the phone.

Or I may pick up the phone.

I think it's actually...

That's a little safer because we don't know what you get going.

I can pick up the phone and say, what do you know?

Actually, it's very easy.

I can call Bo and say, what's the president doing?

He'll tell me.

And if it's a time when you're not stuck, I can come down and look in.

He walks in and works out.

So don't... We'll find you in some order.

I wondered if you... Why don't you go and listen to that radio?

I hope they do well.

What else?

Here's our best team.

Yeah.

No, I don't think I have a lot of confidence in that outfit.

I'm tied down.

Good.

I said, God damn it, I could go and come away and use that meeting with Chelsea if I don't know what to do.

I said, for Christ's sake, get back there.

This is more of a twerking than you're doing here.

But I understand that.

It shows the power of the same office.

Hell yes.

It's a hell of a thing, you know?

I just gotta call the president and go out to the phone.

I just talk to him.

How do we sound?

You know what I mean?

And lift them out of the dog room and stuff.

That's a very big step.

Could I suggest to raise people to...

They might take another look at the...

They might take a little look at the...

And what I did with the appropriations committee, you know what I'm saying, the public has began to sort of check style.

They did as well in the background here.

With regard to that thing on ABC, just in the beginning,

Could we get any ideas of subjects he'd like to cover?

Maybe we should get him some ideas.

I don't know.

Sometimes these guys don't know what the hell to ask about.

He'll ask a couple things about football.

Why are you interested or something?

What football means?

He'll probably get a Lombardi question or two because of the big features on Lombardi.

If there's something you wanted, or we wanted, that isn't that, I just haven't got the time to... Yeah, well, we can figure it out, but you know what it is, I... What could we do a lot in this football area?

I mean, I know I don't know a lot about it, but...

But you know what, if it's somebody you're going to talk to, it's a president, this and that, or the other thing, maybe he and I should talk a little more.

Whatever he wants to, whatever he wants.

I don't care.

I don't really need to be in conversation with them.

Mainly, I might need something to run them down.

About a thousand words.

Is that what you told me?

No, 1,500 in there.

Straight red speech.

Cut it short.

Don't think it's a thousand for there.

That's enough.

A thousand words.

You know, when you're standing outside, you notice it each time you've been outside.

Those speeches get goddamn long.

They're fast.

They're long.

I'm sure they do.

The shorter they are, the better.

And especially at those ceremonies, because other people talk.

And as long as you just send out a thousand words, that'll make my presentation 10 to 12 minutes.

You know, three to eight minutes.

And gas for 10, for three or four more.

And then I'm out.

And they love that.

The reason why I'm here, Bob, is right.

I think it, too, I think it...

It just shows you how quickly you can get to him, and he just needed to be jarred from sitting in here in a gentlemanly-like fashion.

He just, he, his arrogance overlays his, the other thing, there's something else, too, that must impress me.

I'll put it in the back of your head.

He's got, as always, his nose up to the wind, despite all of this.

I'm sure he'd like first to win.

He knows what he owes everything, but he's also got his nose up to the wind.

Somebody else might.

I don't think for one minute that the China thing, particularly with the Jews, you know, and so forth, hasn't had some effect on his friends.

You know, you see my main sheriff, I think, well, the president looks a little better here now.

He might be around him now.

He doesn't sure as hell want to be out of this stuff for four years, and he will be if we have him do this over his dead body.

And I think we've just got to start playing that.

Also, the way that was played has got to shake him.

The fact that we played with him so coldly and so forth.

Grant.

That's good.

Yes.

We'll see.

We'll see what he does.

Get it back to us, Sam.

I want to be sure to see that paper on the White House.

I haven't seen it yet.

I'm sure he doesn't think it's you, does he?

I don't know.

I don't think so.

Well, if I don't get it tomorrow, we don't have it tomorrow, you just call me and say, you have a confidential memorandum of mine, and when you send it over, I just want to be sure it gets directly to him.

It'll get to him.

You know, I think that's a good idea.

So he doesn't feel that he has to handle it.

I can't believe you think it's you, but I, it may be, I think he thinks it's Finch.

And from what Harlow's told me, he doesn't think it's me.

On any of that kind of stuff, he's always, you know, Garfield's not that kind of guy.

But I think he thinks it could be finished.

Actually, I don't think it was anybody.

I think they just made it up.

It wouldn't be hard to make up.

I mean, about anybody.

The story said he didn't know about the giant.

Well, that was obvious.

He was kept in the dark.

They dug in with him.

But that's an obvious...

of the wall.

Secretary Rogers, please.

He's gone now.

Can't blame anything on him anymore.

I don't want to get his people around, have any.

Well, obviously they have Kendrick.

I must say, I just can't understand that.

We brought you up in the morning.

Did you catch him right at the end of the morning?

Sure.

As a matter of fact, why don't you do that?

Well, don't you just set the time?

You know, I'm just thinking that the Vice President is really tentative about the president thing.

You know, he's really, really, really worried about it.

Yeah.

Well, then, he should be acceptable.

He brought a lot of this on himself, you know.

We, I'm just saying, you know, talking to Bob Holman, and we looked at the situation, and here's who he was.

You know, personally.

Of course, there wasn't a hell of a lot of substance in any of those places, but it was fine.

Second, the substance was fine.

But the point is that when I showed you that anybody could do the same thing, when I took my strips 50, 300 times, they were substituted to the same extent.

It was a hell of a lot less, actually.

But the point was that I knew that we needed to do some of the conversations, so I deliberately went out.

I mean, he made the point that he, well, he wasn't gonna go out and visit factories and shipyards and so forth, but he should.

He should, you know, because that is the first something.

You're right about meeting the people, goodwill, and all that sort of thing.

So what we have to do is react, say, well, the substance is in there for me.

The third point, though, was this,

In addition, he excavated the whole damn thing, right?

I don't mean to refuse him, because he would have talked to me.

But then, he said he was too busy seeing people.

But then he played golf every damn day.

Every day!

Now, you know, I mean, I'm, uh, I know, I don't, every guy's been judged his own, but he's brought a lot of this on himself.

I, I just felt, uh, and, uh, you can't blame, you can't blame the press for that.

They've taken a lot of action.

Americans and Americans and so forth.

So, but I knew he was sensitive as hell, but I guess I think...

He played a little, he played a little, it was at 11 times.

Well, you had two more than all of them, and he said nine.

To 11, oh, it is 11.

I turned around, this is nine, and back, back, back, and the last, you see, they reached there.

And in most God-forsaken places, they weren't even good golf courses.

for two on a weekend or something.

Oh, right.

Look, I think it's actually good to do something, you know, something that shows, like, for example, I went to the Taj Mahal.

Well, why the hell have you got to go to the Taj Mahal?

You know, it was a wonderful sightseeing experience.

But, yeah.

Well, he was gone for days and particularly when he had a hell of a lot to do.

But believe me, you know, we strayed by town to try to find countries to go to and it wasn't easy.

But if you, we, I think we all did well out there.

I do, too.

Because he has gotten that.

But I'll tell you what I think.

All of them feel the same.

If he says he will not listen to his staff, he doesn't.

He will not listen.

That's really the case.

Just a second.

I'll tell you what's wrong about this.

He's got a couple of guys out there.

We know...

talking about the strategy of scheduling and all that that would end of course bryce harlow was with him the first part of the journey spent a lot of time counseling him on how to go at this but what he does is he listens to his secret servicemen over anybody else and they naturally you know that what they wanted to do is stay in that cocoon and so he does

Plus, the thing is, even if he were going to play golf every day, if he had a guy scheduling him right, if he had stopped at an orphanage on the way to the golf course and patted some kids and said he was glad that U.S. foreign aid was helping to keep this orphanage going or something, you know, and then went to the golf course, at least the press would have a story.

The problem here is they programmed him in such a way that the traveling press had no story to write, so they had to make up some very thing and kick him in the balls every day.

Which they would have done anyway, but at least if they'd given them some, they would have had that to write, too.

Yeah.

Oh, he played with King Hassan.

Now, that's all right.

But to think you're out to play with, go to Portugal and play golf with Frank Sinatra is ridiculous.

Yeah.

Yeah, yeah.

That's more than Arnie Ponder does in a month's tour, practically.

Yeah.

He loved the boys, so they killed him.

And they're mounted.

Well, it is too bad that he's a victim of his own

You know, he doesn't get a good graduate.

Anybody like that, as the president has always recognized, has got to have somebody else schedule him.

You can't schedule yourself.

And he won't do that.

He won't listen to what other people think he ought to do, including any of us.

Make sure that...

Yeah, I would do it.

That's right.

What you did.

Got that helicopter and flew around and everything else.

But that's dramatic stuff.

You get in there and put the king at the wheel of the helicopter, then you've got a hell of a good story.

You're looking at his country.

Isn't that great?

Oh, well, boy, that's best news in weeks.

Oh, I know, you've been sweating that out.

That is really good news.

Wonderful.

Okay.

Here, he wants an archaea.

It shows you how much the express relief that we had been missing has been terrible.

You know, it's just been terrible.

And you may have, and it's terrible.

And Bill, look, your tricks, for Christ's sakes, they've been, of course, you know how I am with the press, and you've had some substance, even more substance.

But my point is, you've done a lot of public things, too.

Your wife did public things.

And when Pat took our trip, he remembered, well, of course, the last American trip was in any event, but they were all enormous successes.

We just, despite all that, had as many enemies as I and maybe more.

Remember?

But we worked our butts off.

We used to work 14 hours a day.

And we used to go out and we'd go to, my God, I visited, you know, you go to the USIA thing, you go to the University of Purdue and the Research Station.

I, good God, I went to the Leper Colony in Panama and, you know, that's the sort of thing that people loved.

And for a vice president, goddammit, it's about all we can do to make these, we can talk all we want about this subject, but they know that's a bunch of crap.

And the other thing is that I think the, what's the name of it, to show you how deeply it's sunk in here, there were some on my side,

that on our side here, it didn't want us to, but it's known, yes, we were out there, and I came off the car to arrest for that very reason, but we can't just let him take a totally bad rap, but he brought a lot of it on himself, and I just, I don't know, I mean, I don't know what we can do.

What do you think, just hold his hand a little more or what?

But you see, the problem, Bill, is his attitude toward the press is so negative that he refused, I understand, to talk to the guys while on the trip.

Well, about that, you can't do that.

I mean, you... Yeah, sure.

Yeah.

Sure.

I've never had any friends in the press, you know.

I mean any, any political friends, any personal friends, but I've never been with the press.

But on my trips, my God, I got into the press.

It's almost impossible not to get into the press trip, mainly because of this.

The press, sir, is with you because, you know, you're America over there, and they want you to do well.

That's really true.

Go do this soon.

Yeah.

That's right.

Absolutely.

I saw that.

I saw that as a matter of fact.

That awful thing we went through, that 73-day trip, you know.

But it was one of the greatest endurance tests in all history.

Got in there and killed both of us.

But it made a reputation that never left us.

And, you know, yeah.

Yeah.

This is the only one that never believed in him.

And the thing is, I would just say, this kind of a reputation, never believed in him.

Every time, every time now, he goes out to play golf, they're gonna notice him.

He doesn't, he could have played a bunch of times, but, you know, you can always deal with it.

But I just, I just don't know, it's just, it's just goddamn stupidity, particularly Bill.

When we were trying to help him, I sent him on a trip.

That's what it indicates to me now, you know what I mean?

for christ's sakes he came in he said i'd like to take a trip you know and you know what this was not a particularly good time to go over a variety of reasons you know i didn't want to run around there she said i'd like to go to that that's why we sent her to korea well you got to find someplace so that's why the korean thinking no he wanted to take the action

to wave over if he wanted to go to Greece.

Well, God damn it, we couldn't go to Greece.

And so then, I go to Africa, and I say, now, for God's sake, talk to him about all that.

Then, of course, I heard from him, he said he liked it, wondered if maybe he should, maybe try to see if he should go over to D.K., Korea.

Well, hell, you know, that's ridiculous.

But that's all right.

I understand everybody's interested in that.

But the whole thing was his idea.

And then we went to work.

Your people helped, and we... Yeah.

Right.

And we've had countries where it was useful that we hadn't been before.

But I must say, it really is tough.

But it was a good thing we got to meet.

You know, another thing I've got to say in terms of how we treat vice presidents around here.

You know, and I think this was exactly correct.

Did you know that the only, that all of my trips abroad, I never questioned that half a dozen.

I was never met by anybody when I was assistant secretary of state.

Oh, Dawes Parade came in the year, or if you did heard, except, except when I went to Latin America and came back from there, and then of course Eisenhower came on.

But when I came back from that round-the-world trip, 73 days, all the round-the-worlds had met me.

And I didn't get, frankly, to expect anything else.

But, you know, they didn't do things in those days.

But, you know, now it's upgraded.

When I had the Latin character, well, I had his secretary with me.

But this doesn't, you know, we're really going overboard and eating and everything.

It's, we want to, but it's tough.

Yeah.

Sure.

Oh, absolutely.

Yeah.

He's got to cut it.

Yeah.

Well, Bill, there's another thing, too.

In China, of course, he should have said, great.

Uh, because, and also right now with the parents, well, it is, we have a, we have a grudging respect for these guys, for all these people.

And they're a little scared.

Uh, you know, and if we get a very, uh, Mideast or Berlin or who knows, uh, a lot of these can have a, but they, but, uh, well, anyway, we love it.

I just thought that we're also not down there.

And I just thought, well, here he goes back.

And we worked our tails off and set everything up.

And the poor guy thought we still worked.

I tried to hold his hand.

Well, what you did, you did.

But I want you to know the background.

And actually, we worked our tails off trying to work that schedule.

And your eagle did it.

And he would not listen.

I don't, well, well, at least, he just wouldn't listen.

That was all.

The point is, the point is, I don't appear to be doing it.

That's his problem.

He just, he's, he wears it on his sleeve.

Yeah.

But now, now, he said, yeah, I'm sure.

Okay, uh, what is it, what was it that he said, uh, which is just great, he just, uh, wasn't the doctor that he, he has reference and security, he doesn't have to have an operation.

Doesn't have to have, so he's scared to death, well, that's funny.

He just doesn't have to have an operation.

What other, he doesn't have to have an operation.