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You have a, uh, you've got a big workshop on the actual thing.

That's, uh, there going again.

Yes.

Uh, you can see, I think with, uh, I don't know whether Mosbacher can arrange for an extended one, but I think they ought to arrange.

Also, it might do well to make the next government secretary, too.

Probably already invited.

But he was invited.

You see, he was going to speak today.

but there's no reason his parents wanted to stay up here and move around among the camps rather than just move to San Clemente.

We're not going to be doing anything down there.

It gives me the night, you know, when it comes down to grass day, or the end of the noon Sunday.

But I heard he can do it.

I don't know about the others, but they'd be nice if they could stay in the cave in that area.

There are better camps, yeah.

They can do us, do you more good, I would think, than some of the other camps or anything like that.

Yeah, well, we have a better kind of place, yeah.

The ground, I don't know, could read the credit.

I don't know how it could be not better in that sense, which is just good.

It's a good one.

That's a good one.

So you might check those out.

Yeah.

Got some more part of the problem here.

from the head of the East Asian Centre.

Honesty must prevail over envy.

My heartfelt congratulations on a stroke that has cleared the air and will do a great deal for the general good.

I never really believed it could happen.

If you can now do it running into China, we will all put on a very large banquet of crow in the Harvard Fieldhouse.

Oh, God, no.

I have one thing to add.

Letter to the astronaut's daughter.

I don't know where that came from.

CBS picked it up.

We didn't put it out.

I didn't put it out.

Who the hell had it?

I don't know.

I saw it.

Hey, thanks.

We put it out.

People put it out because we had told Sabrina we wouldn't.

On the crisis, I didn't tell anybody to put it out.

I didn't think you had it.

It was my understanding that you, you know, that we had floated it and left it with the idea that if the Russians put it down, if that was honest, they didn't survive.

I don't know.

I wrote the letter and had it delivered.

That's right.

And said we would get it out of your box.

And I said, hey, take the letter.

And I said it was not our custom.

I had no objection.

They wanted to prevent the release.

I don't think they put it.

Grumitum hinted to being of an interest in freshness contact with you.

And I think we ought to shut it off through that channel.

Because they'll just start leaking it all over the place.

I think we ought to play it.

On the summit with you, on a direct contact with you.

Hello?

Yes.

Hello.

Yes, how are you?

Fine.

I wanted to call you to tell you that I...

And I learned that they talked to you about the possibility of moving.

I always felt myself, my views about polls are quite different from others in politics.

I never am concerned about popularity polls or the issue polls to me are very, which are basically your specialty, the ones that I'm concerned about.

And the things that you've been so good to

to get the check on some of the raw data.

It's been fascinating to me, you know, because it goes into that.

So if you could find in your, I know that you've talked about it,

If you could find your plans out in this proposal of ours, I'm not in any great hurry for it.

And I don't know whether this is the best time to poll, maybe the summer's a bad time.

But in any event, what I really interested in is to get it beneath the surface, not just the usual questions that everybody asks.

It doesn't have anything on it.

Yeah.

I would also suggest that in the poll, that you probably should throw in, just to sort of keep it on a, so that you, I know it's always helpful to throw in some foreign policy questions too, just a couple.

Because, well, what I meant is that relates to it.

I mean, you can't talk about people's attitudes toward the economy unless they, you know, their feeling about the economy really is very, very affected by how they, whether they're

depressed or optimistic about the world, I think, to agree with you.

And you can't really ask both questions.

Now, that, of course, you can work out on the staff, but don't hesitate to do that if you feel that that will give us more information.

Well, you can take it for the domestic, but in taking it for the domestic council, I mean, you could, if you could, if only you determined that it will relate to the other, you could, you could throw it at them, sir.

Just go, I'm not thinking of anything in depth.

I've just got three questions on it.

Or, as I say, I'm not convinced that it has quite the effect.

Right.

And also there's your delayed reactions.

When do you think is the good time to get on the field with this?

Is this the summer?

Right, right.

Exactly, exactly.

Oh, I hear his answer.

Good, good.

He's a good operator, and I appreciate your giving him that information.

With regard

This basically is going to continue to be primarily unplugged because there are more and more companies in connection.

And so that's the reason that, in that I mentioned, it tends to pull an economy.

It can pull it down or it can pull it up.

Well, I get that.

As you get into this, I would urge you to try to maintain this and find what questions you can ask.

You can dig them in.

You, of course, will look at what we have previously heard.

I think the council took another poll about a year ago on some of the domestics.

Just, in other words, what do people think?

That's what we're really trying to do.

What do they think?

It doesn't mean that because we find out what they think, we're going to do that.

You can't do that, but you've got to, in order to find, in order to know what your obstacles are, let us suppose you found that 90% of the people are against adequate defense.

Well, that doesn't mean that for that reason you don't have adequate defense, but they should know what your problem is and what you have to sell.

That's the reason I like to look at these polls, because the worst thing that you can do is to have a poll taken

And then just to go out and say, well, not because the people feel this way, that's what we're going to say.

It's a terrible thing.

We're supposed to lead the polls, not follow them.

That's right.

They do know what your problem is.

You know how to talk to them.

Fine.

Well, one of these days, after you finish this, I'm sure.

So why would I do that, though?

You might have met your colleagues up there.

You're .

OK, there's a lot of money.

Tell them not to let a market come to the park.

OK.

Anyway, I was wondering .

Oh, yeah.

It says .

It says what it is is a to incorporate

for the emphasis on world acclaim, but also carried over the other.

That looked very impressive to me.

He sent this one out rather than the other one, right?

Yeah, truly.

He just does a sensational job.

This is Frank Leonard with Edison, too.

Do you know if he used to work for Rockefeller?

No.

Rockefeller really kept it at operation so compartmentalized that I never knew

Is that it?

Yeah.

One with the three and then two alone.

Yeah.

That's a pretty good idea.

I think it's a great idea.

I think you want that.

Symbolically, that says it was Nixon who did it.

And I had an interview with Sandy yesterday.

He's still salivating all over.

He says he can't.

The leader talked to the French foreign minister before he went back.

And the French comment that, you know, they don't know anything about, Schuman doesn't know anything about these talks.

that he seemed very insecure, that he said we are terribly eager to make peace, that there's only one issue, the Americans won't overthrow you.

And the French said, it's funny, they don't ask for coalition government.

They say the Americans should overthrow you, which is a hell of a demand to make.

It's a good record to build if it breaks down on that.

And the Bremen had that same story.

So we'll know one thing by the middle of August.

This is as close as anyone is ever going to get to settling.

If they don't, only we've got it to the yes or no point.

It can't go anywhere from there.

If they say no, I told the Bremen, you know, for once I just don't understand them because a year from now, two will be stronger.

We'll be weaker there.

They're fighting to get us to do something which we'll be physically incapable of doing if the war goes on another year, so what's the point?

And so he didn't argue much.

Oh, I don't know what's the matter there.

What are your other counsels?

No, there's nothing.

Oh, here's another letter from Harvard.

From a former Harvard student.

Though you do not know it and probably won't know it, I have been one of the strongest critics at Harvard of the politics pursued by Mr. Nixon yourself.

Consequently, I feel that an apology is due to you.

And then three pages of apology.

Here is from...

from the French ambassador to NATO, François DeRose, who might not go along, and who's busy, a man that I do not want to take much of your time.

But I want you to know that the Nixon administration has brought imagination and courage to an international politics to a degree that was rarely equal.

There are certainly difficult times ahead in this Chinese venture, and I do not share the illusion of those who think that it is enough to meet you before and to talk to differences.

But it is because I know that men who can have faith without illusion that I have hope.

Good luck.

don't give anybody a kill for putting out the letter, because they may have thought it was done, but I don't know the name of it.

I wrote the damn thing by hand.

See, Ray Price is the only other one that knew it, because I asked him to give me some thoughts.

But, you know, I don't know how it is.

Will you find out?

Yeah, I sure will.

I was surprised to see that.

I'd be sure that they'd know it was done by hand.

They said that.

The reporter said it was written by hand.

I don't remember by hand.

I was reading the guy's story on Magnum.

Henry, he talked to him and he gave him a hell of a lot of everything too.

You didn't know that?

Yeah, so they wrote him a thing for his bucket.

And Scali thinks he's doing an actual hatchet job.

That's got to stop him.

That is the case.

Oh, I don't think it is.

Well, that's my point.

I don't think it is either, but he's got to know it stopped or never started or something.

Ehrlichman, he thinks, is undercutting him.

Did he say what he means by that?

He said every time he's got a domestic chore, Ehrlichman fixes it so that he can't assume himself.

He can't assume himself?

Ehrlichman wants him off the ticket, and I said I can't do it, and he touched his cut.

That's great.

And again, there are two figures that I want to get, but one is, and I was talking to a lot of the passengers today, and I've never been able to get this in.

I want to get it from since World War II, not only the total economic gain, but the total economic gain, total loans, and total military gain, military assistance of the United States around the world.

I don't cover any of it up, you know what I mean?

No, I don't know.

Do you know about how fast it comes up with them?

He said we got $13 billion actually this year.

That's right.

When you begin to look at the international agencies and all the loans and everything else, it adds up to $13 billion rather than $4 billion, as you know.

Yeah, or to do international lending.

Sure, that's a, what the hell is that good?

I mean, it comes right out of the budget, Henry.

And I don't want it, I think, so I just want to know, what is the total American, I don't mean, I understand, I don't want to hear a bigger sense where it works, and how much has the United States put out in a long...

gives PL-480 and military aid.

And the military aid includes military assistance.

And I can get a better fix on this than I may use this figure.

Incidentally, I had breakfast with Senator Buckley this morning.

And he says that we shouldn't underestimate the degree to which the conservatives are getting out of control.

He says he knows the argument is

That they'll have no place to go next year.

And I'm just reporting because you're losing two things.

One, you're losing enthusiasm.

And they won't really work hard.

And secondly, he thinks some of them are going to be ready to go on the barricade.

He's doing his best.

He thinks it would help him if he could see you for ten minutes next week.

I just... Yeah, that's all right.

I don't think he's pushing himself.

He isn't.

I want to check it in, Bob.

It's probably a good idea.

Next Thursday or Friday would be a good idea.

But then also, this gets back to your ability to see Buckley and so on.

Well, I'm going to see Bill Buckley much brighter as soon as he comes back.

And I really gave him hell.

I said, you have no idea.

The defense budget is $4 or $5 billion higher every year.

then the high recommendation from the Defense Department due to the personal intervention of the President.

We collapsed two years ago in Vietnam.

8 p.m.

I really gave him hell, and he said he agreed that they aren't rational.

He said there are a bunch of sectarians that like to go on barricades, but he did want to say that they're not rational.

But he feels there's a real danger that the Conservative Party in New York won't endorse you next year.

And, well, he'll tell you so himself.

Well, you're aware of the nature of that, aren't you?

Yes, he talked about it.

And it isn't a question of Mahoney.

It's a question of his being able to control his followers.

Isn't the China thing so much, strangely enough, defense and salt worries them more.

And I told them, good God, I said, now you look at salt.

I said, we are freezing them during a period when we can't get the money to go into new strategic projects.

And after 72, there'll be a hell of a lot for you to go to these things.

Why don't you get a hold of Mitchell and tell him that the burglars now hit it harder than the burglars are concerned, and he's just got to get in a hold and sit down with some of those conservative people and play the wood club.

In addition to the, well, you ought to see some of the other gurus in the bunch.

There's Jim Brown, for example, who's very smart.

And he's a good.

He's an equal following, smart and honest.

Just the thought was that I don't see him, well, I don't know whether it's better to see him in the group or not, but...

I'll have to turn him down for lunch.

It will flatter him.

I know.

But, yes, well, I guess he's the national review.

Well, he's very smart.

Meyer, you know.

Yes.

Why don't you have two at a time, two or three?

That's right, I haven't seen Meyer.

I used to talk to him a lot on the phone.

Yeah, there's Meyer and Bergman.

Meyer is a little wacky, but he's a very bright fella.

Well, you can sort of put them in a conspiracy deal.

Basically, they're sort of that way anyway.

Yeah.

It's really something, though.

They're so goddamn dumb.

It's so unimaginative.

I told them that this has...

I said, why is Hanoi screaming so much?

Why is Moscow screaming?

The Russians...

I haven't seen them breathe in as tame as this in ages.

And we'll get to something.

I'm absolutely confident.

Our problem is going to be to keep them from offering it before...

We've announced a big thing today.

You can go ahead and speak to Rogers about those two things.

Oh, September 27th.

It's not a big thing.

It's a hell of a lot better, actually, for me to do there than try to put him on for a visit here.

But I wouldn't mind going to Anchorage.

And what I want to do is just do it while I'm out in California.

I'll have a big excuse to be in California the latter part of September, and then I can flip up the anchorage.

And that way we can handle the Japanese with a gesture that will mean far off to bring them here.

Oh, oh, hell of a lot more.

That's with, that's with Hirohito or something?

With Hirohito.

Hirohito is flying through action.

On his way to Europe.

So that's what's going on.

Let's stop up and say welcome.

It could have, well, depending what time of day, lunch or dinner.

Lunch or something.

I don't know how the time zones were, but it had a tremendous impact in Japan.

Yeah.

Now, if you let Bill know.

I'll let him know immediately.

But I can let him.

I just say to Bill, Victor, Victor.

that I want him to handle.

Oh, yeah.

And, uh, on the, uh, on the Hirohito one, I said, let me do this.

Yeah.

Who raised that with you, the Hirohito?

No, I raised with them, uh,

the idea of doing something with Hirohito.

They wanted to send the vice president up there, then I thought, well, what would the president say?

They said, well, it would be the most spectacular thing.

I haven't raised it with a chance.

Now, I want that kept quiet.

See, I want that kept quiet so that it's somewhat of a surprise.

I mean, am I going to return a minute or so?

Well, you know, they can't keep an eye on me.

All right, fine.

Well, anyway, I don't know.

Not a big secret, but I, uh, if they want to do it, so you just keep running for both of those cycles.

And I'll let an eye on both of them.

Sure, sure, sure.

You know.

Now, as I said, I want that conservative thing.

It is true.

See, Jim, by the way, is not a very, he's a very pleasant fellow, and I don't think he's got his heart in this whole conservative business anyway, but he's too nice a guy to be in.

But they are a tough bunch of people.

They're very tough, absolutely.

Well, hell, they weren't enthusiastic for me in 19.

As you know, in 60, they weren't at all.

In 68, they weren't very damn good, you know.

Well, that's not certain.

The 62 they defeated.

The 62 in California they defeated because of the birch trees.

Oh, that's right.

Oh, yes.

It's the birch thing.

You have to realize these are people that really are.

They actually want to bomb him, for example.

They may not be sure.

It was probably a very good idea a few years ago, but not with the dam right now.

Look, if they look at the situation we have faced here,

I told him this.

I said, you stood alone against the bureaucracy, the press and the country.

On Cambodia, on Laos, on... Yeah, that's what I asked.

How the hell were they?

That's what I asked.

Yeah, I said, how the hell were they?

You know, he reported whining, bitching about everything else.

And I said, why did the president say something good about what we've done here and there?

They put that in the last paragraph.

Do you hear the reason?

Yeah.

The last paragraph said, well, we think it's all right to do it.

Just bitching about some other goddamn thing.

Rather than standing up there and talking to him.

I wouldn't say.

They didn't organize it.

One thing I must say, when they say they go to the barracks, it's their demonstrations are pretty goddamn pinnable.

Is that the 27th of October, Dave?

Yeah.

Because you have the problem of Medici visiting on the 28th.

CFI thing on the 27th.

Yep.

Well, we could be probably back from Anchorage.

No.

It's an eight-hour flight.

I wouldn't mind coming back if we have it at lunch.

If it's a lunch thing, there's no problem.

No, it's not a lunch.

It's a statement.

I know that, Bob.

He's up to the viewer.

The man is to have it at lunch.

All right.

Lunch there.

That's right.

Six hours.

It's a long time.

We're going to be trying to just get on the plane right now.

That's the point.

I had to ride all night to do it.

Is there anything... Let's see whether we can move it back a day or two.

Well, move Medici a day.

That's what I mean.

We can't move the entrance.

No.

Well, you can easily...

They see if they can move Medici one day.

Yeah.

That's what they'd have to do.

You can't move the entrance.

He's got his locked in.

No, he can't move it.

We don't want him overnight in Anchorage.

Oh, right.

You know what I want to see overnight in Anchorage.

Well, anyway, let's work the days out.

The first day's got to be worked out.

Right.

But, Bobby, if you hadn't done a thing, you could still get back.

But you'd have to fly all night.

The man is with us.

It's just basically, you see, if you hadn't done a thing...

You'd love to meet me, meet him in Denver.

So you're there two hours.

Is he supposed to get there in Denver?

I don't know.

You could probably meet him in the morning.

It might even work that he arrives in the morning if he leaves at night.

Yeah.

If he leaves at night in Japan, he'd be getting into Anchorage in the morning.

Well, it affects the time.

As a matter of fact, I have a guest who's still not screw around with changing the minute she visits.

If we could go out and just, and then I'd just get on the plane and fly back and sleep, you know, be here for a minute.

I don't give a damn.

Good.

From California, you came three hours, so... No, no, no, no, the other way around.

I mean, you lose.

Coming back, you lose it, you see.

No, but if you could lend up, you could probably leave.

No, I'm going there, no problem.

You have an eight-hour flight, you get here at eight o'clock the next Friday night.

You get here at eight o'clock at night, the last of the time.

Well, it's two in the morning.

Won't you be two in the morning, aren't you?

Sure.

Washington time.

If you loved it, then if you had a lunch, you can't be put there.

No, I figured getting here in the morning, just flying all night and sleeping in the plane line.

I've done that before.

It's no problem.

I just have not screwed around changing the manager.

If it's a party, then it could be changed.

I can check if it needs to be done.

It can be.

It's a hell of a lot better.

What day of the week is it?

Tuesday.

Well, you'd have to get on a fax, though, because I don't want anybody in front of the goddamn thing.

I'll do it now.

I don't want us to, we, too often we do this, and I pick up the paper and find that we've insulted somebody.

I'll do it now.

Yeah.

And the way to do it is to see if they can move it one day, just one day back to the 28th or whatever it is.

Because then you could probably hop back to California and spend the night there.

I shouldn't.

I just come back from Cambridge.

There's no reason to spend the night.

Just to get my clock.

You're in with clock straight now.

No, I'm just thinking.

Let's fly back.

And you could spend the night in California if you like.

It isn't all that important.

I'll do what I can.

I just want to fly back.

I think we need to do that too.

You'll follow through on the next one.

Two, get it done.

Three, no sign.

People that are having the most trouble with this.

These are the... Let's do that.

the liberals, that is the most like-bridged, etc.

You notice what Harriman said, he wanted to know, he testified to the executive privilege and said he should know more about China.

The son of a bitch.

Because he was so forthcoming when he was negotiating the last agreement.

At least this is Joe Lange talking about it like any other person.

Joe Lange has never said what was discussed.

He's talking about what has begun.

He's just dying for killing Harriman.

He's knocked him off the front page.

He had a great memorandum written on how to handle it.

I'm told they're going to knock him over.

Whenever you surface these secret meetings, Harriman is just going to die.

Well, some of them, you know, they've had a hell of a time.

But some of them, even in the generative, you strike to attack the secrecy of the meeting.

You know what I'm saying?

Yeah.

But I don't think that's getting anywhere.

They would have ruined it, and they moved us too, and if we had passed it ahead of time, they would have... Hey, uh... Poor frigid guy.

Where is it?

Don't tell me you pulled it.

says that the government's old China experts are restless.

They say a handful of advisers isn't sufficient to handle the complex appliance.

There's a big picture of why Osprey doesn't be handled so far.

It's very disturbing and very unhealthy.

I'd rather watch the viewer consulting before a decision is made or the possibility of error.

Who both of them?

What do you think of that?

Old China experts?

Which China expert?

Marshall Green.

Must be Green.

a handful of advisors' decision to handle the complex plans.

You know, and every one of our world chairs, the goddamn State Department hasn't submitted this goddamn thing that's worth anything.

Exactly.

On one of your 73 talks, we've had to prepare the briefing books here.

I mean, we asked for them, but they, and they give us something, but it's nobody's answer.

...sufficient to handle a complex plan.

You know, they're so panicked to get their hands in on all this thing, you know, and then to talk about it.

And then to go out and plead about it.

I'm not going to let them in.

Not at all.

Every good thing that has been done has been done practically.

And I feel all the same.

One thing I was concerned about, I put a note here, Henry, and I said, uh,

I don't know where he gets this, but this is a leak of a false gun, which is so close to the mark that it pissed your mental.

And that besides receiving the promise that the U.S. would support the PRC admission to the Security Council, the Chinese have also suggested all those that would plead to remove the straits of reduction from the U.S.A. to China.

Well, that isn't exactly true, but...

Pretty close.

But he couldn't have had it from a...

I don't know... Oh, I don't know about you, but I was... You're just...

I just want to remind you that they're keepers.

You're securing sources.

Yeah.

But that isn't even in my memo to you.

It's awfully close, sir.

It's not.

You know what I mean.

They're going to call it that.

That's the way they write it, but...

very close to what you know was the original proposition and what we discussed.

And so I was wondering who in your staff, or nobody in the Mount Rocker doesn't know this, does he?

Well, they proposed that at the Warsaw meetings, too.

My staff is under strict orders now not to talk to the press at all.

Nobody, no one on my staff is any longer permitted to talk to the press on any subject, not just China.

Philip Ragnar, St. Philidore, I'm going to leave the bulletin notes.

He's read out a single, a big editorial about the weather secrets being spun by nationals.

It's all a conspiracy.

It's a great time.

Francis, you'll just go up there and I'll pay for 10 a second.

That's it.

Max Lerner likes what you've done.

You handle those concerns, though.

Well, if Lita Tocan comes back from Hanoi, we're going to be able to break the other one again from California.

Because that one's going to be harder to keep secret.

It's called your trip, and the trip was stunt.

Who?

George Meany.

That's okay.

And China's still a slave state, it's correct, but it's really China's contribution to the cause of peace, and they've got a political pressure on the Chinese partners.

He said it last night.

He concludes, Roselle, as he said, Meany and the hardhats are ready to break with our end of China policy.

But we don't want to go out on a political thing.

Howard George, I agree.

He's cute.

For all the carving of the incident, analysts says I agree.

Those newsmen supposed to stick with Kissinger were rolling to Pakistan, losing these games they're carving over.

I'm surprised it was a carve that a British journalist could do for a decade.

I don't know how you spoke to him.

I told the president yesterday when I talked to Breeden, he knows that's only done so.

And I said, you know, they've been doing a lot of propaganda and we've been very restrained.

We've not hit back even though we have all the information.

He said, you haven't been restrained.

You're waiting to destroy your domestic opponents until the right moment.

And you're going to do it?

So he's got this tape in front of him.

Vice President, thank you for talking to me.

And I just, in certain reasons, but it's not really, it's a rather, there are several of these behind, it's very bad, it's a credit balance, but

dress and everything.

Goddamn Henry, there was no reason for him to take the trip.

That was the problem.

He made up the thing.

He came up and wanted to go to the room.

First he wanted to go to Greece.

And then he said, all right, we figured out where the hell could he go.

And now he wants to come back and he wants to go there.

He wants another board trip.

What the hell would a...

The fact that it isn't...

It's for another trip, and this county wants to make up another one.

Anything else in the foreign field.

Well, he may be trying to build himself up in that area, so...

No, but the fact is, Mr. President, he was being absolutely selfish.

He wanted to go to Korea.

Then he wanted to wind up in Europe so that he could take his family to Europe on a vacation.

Then he wanted to go to some Arab country.

Now, by the time he had done all of that, you had an abortion of a trip because there was no unifying theme.

Except because he had to wind up in Europe.

If he had come back from Korea, where he had a job, there would be no criticism.

But to wind up in Europe to go golfing for a week in Portugal and a week in Spain, that just wasn't that much for him to do.

He was gone for six weeks.

That creates a lot of public consciousness.

And partly I have to say he's to blame himself for getting himself a junket.

And then getting so well when they write it as a junket.

It was a junket which he deliberately set up so that he could wind up in Monaco, Spain and Portugal.

I think he would have been better off coming home for two weeks and then going off to Europe separately.

I mean, he added... We didn't suggest the Congo and Kenya.

He added those things himself.

And that gave it that disparate quality.

He didn't want to go to Iran.

There were crowds of people and everybody was waiting outside and shaking his hand.

He was the only people who had gotten that trip, except for the Americans.

Except for the foreign heads of government, he'd meet the American community.

Jesus Christ, on my trip, I was exactly the opposite.

I would seek it out in that American community, except that they'd hand him the embassy and I'd give him away if I could not meet the other folks.

What the hell does it do to see the American community in these churches?

And it wasn't our guidance to tell him to say... We didn't have anything to do with the schedule.

Not a goddamn thing.

I recall, did we?

No, I had a man along to, you know, to brief him on... What did he do?

Did he do well?

Well, he did well in the meetings, but he didn't...

He said, frankly, he worked about three or four hours a day.

Ah, there's a key.

And that comes across...

But I don't know how long it took him.

Oh, I see.

And press conferences aren't being answered.

It's just doing something that the press can write about.

You just have to have press conferences.

You don't have press conferences every day.

No, if he's wrong to have press conferences, because that just subjects him to their questions instead of doing his.

He should do an event or some other thing that makes him write a story.

Well, what if he wasn't going to do that?

He should have scheduled meetings for himself with officials from morning till night and handed out the schedules.

Then they would have had to write, we don't see him, but he is lucky God.

But he's working his ass off.

But Henry did that, actually, Henry.

But instead they know he isn't seeing anybody.

They said Henry's schedule is so bad.

The Congress does the same thing.

Rodgers mentioned this on the phone when I called him about this.

Thank you for going to the airport.

It was a nice interview.

It was a nice thing.

Nobody else wanted to go out there.

But anyway, Rogers said, well, a major mistake he thought was not working hard.

He said that, and as Billy mentioned, that your trip had been well covered that way.

Rogers, and he goes, he just, and where's the press on?

The press has to write.

I never saw the press.

I never talked to them.

But I published a schedule every day that had about 10 appointments on it.

So, and they ride respectfully.

Great.

And they can go talk to people who you talk to.

That's right.

And they see activity, but when he knifes and crouches, so a lot of officials, then they had plenty to ride, then they could carpet him.

They hate him anyway.

Well, anyway, he's pretty goddamn hurt.

I don't think there's something we ought to put on an explorer trip, do you?

No, sir.

He wants to go to Iran in October.

For that 210 version?

Oh, well, I wouldn't be mad at him.

Why don't we let him do Greece?

And he wants to do Greece on that, okay?

What do you mean?

Let's just let him do it, Christ Almighty.

We can't do any... We practically promised him that.

I think that's a good idea.

He just would go over, do Greece, and do that celebration in Iran.

The New York Times will scream, but...

So they will.

They scream at him anyway.

And us.

But he is a Greek.

For Christ's sakes, he ought to go to Greece.

There's something he can balance Greece with as the third country.

Well, that's not... No, Iran balances it completely.

He represents us with 200,000 or 1,000,000... Now, one the Iranians have sort of subtly suggested that the man they'd really like is al-Bijaj.

Yeah.

As a former president.

I don't know why not.

Why not?

Because Johnson is vain enough to love an assignment like that.

If he's well enough to do it, point him out.

And he'd like to be asked.

And he went with the vice president.

Yeah.

Well, it'd be hard to go with the vice president, because basically, he'd have more than 30 minutes to be in that one suite.

You know what I mean?

He ought to have his own plan.

He's had a couple of plans over with him, both practical and so forth.

I think that to get Agnew off, I'd let him know that the grease thing is fine.

So if he gets a statement, if you do that, I'm telling him that this will be a good time.

And then let him go to Iran, too.

But I don't think we... Our concern mainly is not...

Johnson, it has to be.

We'll find something else for Johnson.

I would like to send Johnson a good, poor assignment, though.

And Johnson has never asked for anything, so he doesn't even know this has been suggested.

Yeah.

But otherwise, I just don't think we could run heavy running around the world.

Yeah, no, no.

No.

Oh, Johnson.

If he goes, it ought to be three or four days, and it ought to be tightly scheduled.

We made a mistake in letting it turn into a complete... You talked to me about it, actually.

You said that...

I remember you told me that if you had ever gone to Eisenhower and said you wanted a trip like that, it would have been hell to pay.

You wouldn't have done it, you said, but he just came in and...

added countries as if it were a personal pleasure.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

As a matter of fact, everything I did was always on the basis of being requested to go there.

And I worked my tail off every time.

And it was not getting across the impression, I'm sure.

Well, he really isn't getting across that.

Being seriously interested in working, he's working hard.

That's what he's getting.

He's missing that.

He's needed in his case.

Well, he takes his long weekend.

He likes the weekends and the rest of the weekend.

I never heard that before, but with his situation now, they just don't, they think, what the hell, he just can't fly around.

Yet he does things, he does things very well.

He does them with great dignity and...

He's been extremely loyal.

Absolutely.

When he hasn't been, it's really been a mistake.

It's not been, you know, that he'd just get carried away by something.

Right.

He's totally loyal, no question about that.

Hell, anybody can make a mistake about something.

I would have said, well, he said about the Africans and all that stuff.

Sure, he's done.

It wasn't even true.

It wasn't.

He was mad and wanted to go and kick him.

So, we should have a call with him today, I think we should.

So, Jonathan wants to go over and talk to him.

Which I think is not a bad idea.

Not on a confrontation, but just on the understanding that we've got a problem and they sure want to work it out.

Or do you think he should?

I think if he would do it by leaving me out of it, because he told this to me on a... Oh, wait, you can't say that.

Who's he going to say it to?

He was mistaken.

No, but... That's not good.

Well, why not, then?

Why would the Vice President tell you except to get the will to?

We also got it from other sources, and then I thought I'd refer each other.

Yeah, you told me.

Yeah.

I wanted to just say that I just said that the President expressed concern about this.

See, he actually told John for the purpose of telling me that's it.

He doesn't even say that he just said it.

Okay.

The President said about this damn thing.

And also, but I think from the scale I think about it,

He said, well, I've got the evidence, and I've got a fire scallion.

That's fine.

He claims he has evidence.

He didn't show it to me.

Has he written the memo yet?

He said he was putting it together.

Evidence said what?

Scallion was the one that leaked that story.

Well, but that, see, I think you can get around that and read some of the problems.

And that's not, there's no problem believing the story that he didn't know about China.

Everybody's said that.

The only mistake made in that was that he went out and tried to unblock that he did know.

At the same time, it was being said here that he did.

Both of you have said he didn't know.

Well, we've implied that he had a hint, which you may have had if you

He did have a head, but he has, I don't think he's got it.

That's the other thing, of course, we talk about this thing, not only asked for Greece, but asked to go to Peking in memory, and brought it up again.

And the only reason he wanted to go to Peking was so that he could go to Taiwan.

Which shows that he has no total lack of understanding, so he could do both.

But I think it's just the lousy people around him in that area.

have no judgment and say, well, this is a great show.

He thinks in almost completely public relations terms now.

He's so press-oriented.

Would you agree or not?

Oh, yeah.

Very much.

He always has.

Very much.

That was a problem not even back in the campaign.

Very much concerned with his public image.

Unless he makes news and so forth.

He wants to be on page one and so forth.

And he's... You go way back to the... Or the campaign, right after the nomination.

He started on the White House tab

Not that it wasn't the White House then, it was the Nixon staff.

You know, his concerns that people were knifing him.

He's always thought that.

As he says those stupid things and then somebody in our staff

That's not the way our people should say that.

But I only suggest with our staff, if you could know, I really want them rained on this.

I don't want anybody talking off the record at cocktail parties.

To the press.

Look, bud, this is all my own view.

It's not the White House staff's view.

It's not the President's view.

Can they please just quit talking about April?

Can't they?

No.

I know how they feel.

Goddamn it, Bob.

They've got to quit talking about it.

This problem, I'm aware of the April problem, and I'm going to handle it in the proper time.

It doesn't help her.

It helps her better.

It hurts.

I know what happens.

Listen.

I know what happens.

They go around and they do stuff.

Don't you agree, Andrew?

Well, you don't see it in your staff meetings.

And everything they do is self-defeating.

Every time they do anything that hurts him, all they're doing is locking him in tighter.

That's right.

And that's why I really think I wouldn't let this thing fester over the weekend.

I think you ought to... Maybe you ought to talk to Scott.

Can I follow up on that?

Oh, yeah.

The Scotland thing.

And he said he's writing a memo to you.

Yeah, right.

You ought to just say... And of course... Don't hit on Scali.

You just say that I've asked you to check into it.

Of course, he said to me, when you called Scali, and he said, look, he said, now they're putting the mouse in charge of the cheese.

I knew that.

I saw it later.

I mean, I didn't realize this at first.

Scali, we were calling Scali Nicole.

If you were the captain, it couldn't have been better.

Hell, I didn't know what he said.

That certainly shows that I wasn't on the deal with him.

I think that he knows, and I've told him that I've never heard the slightest negative comment, and on the contrary, you've always defended him, spoken warmly of him.

And I think he believes that.

I don't believe there's any personal feelings.

No, no, just...

But on the other hand, Henry, he is, in my opinion, rapidly displaying qualities which make it very difficult for him to be in the top position.

Would you agree or not?

I would, yeah.

There's a petulance about him and also a superficiality in it.

That's what you feel?

Oh, yeah.

He's got a theory, for example.

He thinks that peaking in Moscow...

have a deal in which they're sucking us in, and one is the heavy and one is the good guy.

That's part of the conservative line, isn't it?

The reading isn't split, not the price.

I would have said that five years ago, but not now.

Why are they building air raid shelters in North China?

Certainly not against us, because if they did, they would have killed them in the city.

Why do they have those millions of men lined up on the borders?

Why do the Russians have a million men on their borders?

It's absurd.

They've just shifted two more air regiments, they call them, from Western Europe to the Siberian borders.

I understand.

Yeah.

But it's a sort of crudeness.

But if he followed the intelligence reports, which he does get after all, he would realize that, you know, you can say this trip to Peking may blow up.

I can understand if you can in arguments.

They're sophisticated.

But to say that it's a plot between Moscow and Peking...

in which they are going to whipsaw you to defeat you in the election, that shows a total lack of understanding of how the communist mind works and what's possible there.

Listen, these conservatives don't know how the communist mind works.

That's right.

They read home.

I've talked to them many times.

They have the slightest idea.

That's why they never understood me.

Oh, I mean, they have, because I'm way beyond their comprehension.

They're much more subtle.

They don't see all the synopsis about them.

They're just unbelievable.

Well, Buckley, the Senator Buckley recognizes that.

But he just isn't proud enough.

The trouble with him is, I think it'd be helpful, though, if he could say he'd seen you and speak with some authority.

Sure, but I just think you might have to say it.

Okay.

Sometimes, Henry, you want to go back and read that paper.

That fighter speaks with snakes that I don't.

I've had enough, Jeff.

It hasn't.

You'll notice I have the ADM in there.

A lot of other things that are quite... Are you going to speak this month?

Well, that's a tremendous audience.

The way these people do things, it gets worse.

I'm sure it just gets worse.

And so you don't let them do it.

You see, if you've got a particular nation that's got the kind of stat he's got, they needle him and poison him and kick him in the ass.

It'll be uncomfortable as hell to talk about, but other than that, you just go over and say, now look here, the president's really, really, really very stern because he's, you're smart, but you can get scowled.

And then I find out we,

John, earlier going over, do you think you ought to go with Burleigh, or maybe just have Burleigh go by himself?

I don't know about himself.

He's good.

My wishful.

No, no, this is wasting the time.

I think that, yeah, John, also another thing, too, you ought to keep, I mean, if he's going to be mad at Burleigh, then let him be mad at him, and you ought to keep one step apart, because he might not be mad at him.

He's never mentioned being mad at you, so therefore, we'll do that.

I don't know.

I've been trying to check it out, and I don't think so.

Ron, at my suggestion, talked to Walter Trogad last night.

I asked him to call in to get squared away on the press, the whole reaction press thing and all that.

Your speech is going to be recorded.

CBS has already told Ron that they've made a deal and they've got it covered.

UPI has refused to abide by our

press rule, they will not in any way take, they wouldn't consider any pool judgments, you know, that proposal that we had talked about, they wouldn't consider because they will, they say they can get the story and they're not going to be bound by any rules off the record.

The Grove concern that Trove had,

Troy hadn't talked to Ron about the coverage statement.

It ended Ron's headway.

Let me say this.

I told him it was a vote.

And so there was four men coming.

The first general letter said it was against it.

And I agreed I wouldn't come.

That was when.

And I should have billed Ron in on this before he talked to him.

I did.

You did.

Okay.

Did Ron tell Trojan the plan to come in without a break?

Yes, without secret service.

What was Trojan's view?

Come or not come?

Trojan's view was not come.

He didn't get it.

Ron didn't raise the question whether to come or not come.

They finished the whole thing and Ron said something about, well, I guess everybody's looking forward to the visit or something.

Trojan said, well, can I speak with you very frankly?

Ron said, of course.

And he said, let me point out that there are, and this apparently is some of the old garden.

I can see how it would be there.

What they're concerned about, and I checked with our advance man who's out there, whose brother is a member of the Grove who has spiked about, has so low-keyed his advance that he can't give me much of a reading mark.

But he said one of the concerns is that

Breaks the world tradition.

No, it's not that it breaks the tradition.

It's that it puts a public spotlight on the growth.

And that there is the appearance there of this secret gathering over three weeks of all the power in the country.

And what the hell are they up to, for one thing?

The other thing, the drinking and debauchery business is there.

They've got a lot of prostitutes.

in the area, apparently, that they bring in.

And they're afraid that's going to be, apparently, the huge encampment of the lumber mill or something.

I don't know.

It's unreal.

all the hordes.

It isn't that bad.

It's really tall, more than anything else, but I'm sure it is.

It's part of every grove's tradition.

And some of the hunter-divers do go down there and screw around.

But it's, uh, they're afraid that by putting the spotlight on, let me say also that the location of the grove will be so pinpointed publicly.

Let me give you a demonstration.

I frankly don't think myself, and I

I just don't think that we should have probably gone through this earlier.

And I think we can gracefully get out of it.

We, what the hell, so I don't come.

And then, frankly, there'll be a lot of people within the Grove, those people that think I should have, will just be pissed off as hell at the old guard.

And the old guard guys will have to take it.

We'll just say the president in deference to the, he puts the Grove above the idea of the coming, he'd like me to come.

I think we ought to do it that way.

I just don't think we ought to chuck it out there.

I'm trying to get in front of all the negatives.

I think like the negatives in other regions, it pours out there.

I usually don't have people that are just going to tell us who would like to risk it.

Let me say this.

I don't know who, well, the overwhelming majority would love to visit.

That's the overwhelming majority would love to visit.

But on the other hand, it's like these kind of charities.

And the overwhelming majority of them have been a few goddamn nitpickers, because they just knocked your brains out.

I don't know, Peter, who the hell he is.

He is Walter Barrett, is his name.

He's the head of Pricewaterhouse in New York.

Oh, Pricewaterhouse.

He's an accountant type, and he's about your age, I guess.

One of the older guys.

Yeah.

Oh, and I don't know this Barrett.

The one I know, who is it, Barrett?

Probably Spock.

And what Joanne then said is, Baird is particularly, Baird, on our main stand got there, he yelled at Baird.

And Baird, the advance man said, is there, he asked the first question about a helicopter landing.

Baird said, let me start out by saying that I sincerely hope that in making this quick check, you will then report back to Washington that it is feasible for the president to come.

But Mike said, as they got through the whole thing, and Mike made it clear to them, we didn't plan to bring any reporters, you didn't plan to have secret servicemen, you weren't going to bring a whole entourage in and all this stuff.

They just backed down by the time they finished the planning meeting.

Baird was really quick.

Are we sure?

We cannot let a businessman, you know, you know,

taught himself to what we want, you know, get the goddamn truth apart.

I told him that.

He said it.

The guy said it at the beginning of that, but he said by the time we were through, we didn't push the helicopter, we didn't push Drift.

You know, he had to do a good job.

In fact, by then, his guard was much more relaxed.

But Trohan says that Baird sent you a very tough letter earlier in the year saying, please do not come to the Grove.

But Trohan intercepted the letter.

Oh, I don't get it.

Baird apparently consulted with Trohan, and Trohan said you can't write a letter like that to the President of the United States and to a fellow Bohemian.

You can't tell them, well, why did he write the letter?

Why did he write the letter?

Baird, because of this, Baird just didn't.

have been discussed amongst others, inviting God, and you say you've decided... No, this is what he looked like.

He was a very Democrat.

I don't know.

We don't know.

But then they don't think it's political.

That was why Trohan wrote his letter to you saying he shouldn't come.

Right.

He wrote a mild letter.

Well, Trohan... Trohan was the one that urged me to come earlier.

I know.

He's chipped, you see.

I'm sorry.

And he changed his mind, so I said, fine, I won't go.

And Joe has unanimous, not that it's, you know, that there's any unanimous that there is a little segment.

Is it worth it, though?

Is it really worth it to go the hell out there and have a little segment racing out?

That's my question.

We've got to go, but I don't want to talk ourselves into it, Bob, because my view is that it's really not worth it.

It is not worth, frankly, going out.

No, I don't really think so.

They wheeled it.

But I don't really think, I think if you wouldn't screw the crest up, they'd think it was great for a shaft.

Because there's no big stir in the press.

The wire services are very upset.

And, of course, the chairman of both the wire services are at the door.

Well, fine.

That's the point.

What about the gridiron analogy?

They don't buy that?

Well, they don't buy it just because that's reported.

It's a different place.

And also, most of the press is in the gridiron, too.

And they filed a formal protest on the gridiron last year.

But then, the neighbors did it.

No, no, but working with us, because there's only 50 members of the gridiron.

People that aren't members, boy, they've got against it.

We're sure smart enough to do that some of it this year, don't you agree?

Getting out of the gridiron, the White House corresponds.

Boy, that's the smartest thing we're going to do, believe me.

But, well, Bob, I'll tell you.

Talk a little bit more about it.

When they do, if I'm not available, you talk to them and tell them you want a very cold-blooded, reasoned reaction to the person coming in.

Good, bad, and mean.

You talk to the letter better than a person does sometimes, I believe.

I mean, is it making that kind of story?

Remember when I said, let's check it out?

You said, well, let's check it out in the present.

We'll talk to a few thousand advanced matters.

You can ask about what we can do.

You said that.

The only thing is, I do not want the impression, believe me, any time now, that I want to go think about that speech.

That is very, that's a very naked impression that I...

put Boris and myself on a group.

Well, there might be that, because I was not invited to see what I needed to do.

There might be that impression.

The other thing is, as Ron points out, with no press coverage, you set it up, there's bound to be other memberships and people that are anti-Nixon.

Oh, yeah, there's lots.

And some of those people are going to go out and say, well, you know, it wasn't...

The press is really going to be after him.

They're going to say, well, he was great in 67, but he sure didn't have much spark this time.

And, uh, or I'm not concerned about that.

I think even the reaction is going to be good on the speech.

Generally, I've got a man who goes to speak.

If it's accurately reported, but a guy, because of the secrecy, can chat you, I don't know.

That's why Robert wanted to take in two wires for a strike.

That's what we cannot do.

That I, I just can't cross that belt.

That's understood.

And, and Ron understands it.

The wires won't go anywhere.

One, UPI won't go anywhere.

On an operator basis.

Well, I tell you, you've learned a lesson on this one.

Well, I swear to God, I will never tell a goddamn screwing press that can't run away to arrest her.

Never, never, never.

And I'm never going to tell them again when I'm going to the camp.

And I'm going to go off to Florida or other places.

We've been overworked as well.

I know Ron is greatly concerned about the other night I had to report him because I went to the baseball game without Tom.

Screw them.

I'm going to go again.

They're never going to go.

No problem.

We're overdoing this business of having to inform the press.

We just overdo it.

I did find out in the restaurant, Korea had broken the wine price and wasn't the press that was in coverage.

It was the people outside.

He was outside talking to them.

Oh, boy.

Damn Robert.

After almost three years, the whole venue went through the whole truck.

Well, as you can see, he's a little senile.

Yeah.

Well, the rock tank went way over the top.

I mean, it's a little magnet, rather than a bottle of magnet.

It's about three bottles.

Two and a half.

I don't think there's a big thing wrong with it.

Christ.

Oh, I don't know.

There may be.

They've been celebrating and spending $40 a bottle of wine.

They don't give a hell of a lot of people.

They don't like the RV.

This is a terrible thing.

You know, the Buchanan's were able to sell it.

Yeah, but try to find people who bought it.

It may be that we just get it.

I think that to all our old people, our old people,

Well, they're doing it on a different level.

What I had is a whole thing that sold on the thing.

That's the point.

My view is I know the problem.

But whenever I see it, Bob, I react exactly the same.

Then I fight back.

I don't come whining in.

Like Howard, Dominic, and frankly some of our own.

This is terrible.

You see, Gregory, there's a difference between your reactions and Colson's reactions.

Frankly, sometimes the gentleman's.

John...

tends to be quite down, you know, because of something.

Well, this is terrible, you know, this is this and that.

We've had a terrible attack.

Trace, that's the time to say, God, here comes the fire.

Ain't this great?

Yeah.

Let's kick the boys in the nuts.

Yeah.

See?

And that's what I want you and you to listen to one other and understand who talks that way.

Because you're one other that sort of talks real smackly enough.

He makes it.

Clark does.

McGregor.

Exactly.

He does.

Now, he loves to fight, doesn't he?

Yep.

So does I.

For you.

Tim tends to worry more about the problems, but, oh, yeah, certainly he's, you know, let me tell you, we like a hole in the head, though.

Anything that looks like a whack in the business industry at the present time, you know what I mean?

That's sort of a negative kind of a crack, you know?

And that can be, that can be hyper, you know, a whole story.

I don't like this.

You've been to the road, you've seen, you know, and I've never been, well,

You can't really, first of all, to be perfectly frank, I managed to avoid it.

Don't ever go, don't want to go.

Why am I going to go again?

Because, you know, I got this funny thing after my 67th speech, which is a great crime, in Furniture Grove.

And I kissed a girl around there, and I spent the night.

Went to the play.

You see, they can't, now they can't, of course, I'm sure it's a minimal spark and so forth, but,

But not really.

I mean, the lights won't come in and music all night and all that sort of thing.

And frankly, I have a lot of camps.

I have a lot of dirt.

I don't like to sit around and fire.

I really don't.

I don't care what them about.

I don't like to tramp over this and that and the other thing.

I'm just not the outdoor type.

Well, if I was thinking about it, he does.

Even the boogeyman car in our city.

Well, it's the phony...

conviviality, that there is a sum of this real.

And on New Year's Eve, it's a, you just, it's, you know, I haven't been to a New Year's Eve party.

We used to, I didn't, I, in fact, you know, he used to have a house, and Pat was there, and we were, and they were wonderful parties.

You can imagine, 20 years ago, and maybe even all the gals around there, they were his friends, and they were wonderful parties.

One night I was just put in traffic.

I just didn't like it.

And I never went to another.

That's exactly what we did one day.

You see, for the days that we were in the car going off, I said, you know, that really wasn't fun.

So why the hell go?

So we don't go anymore.

You know, New Year's Eve parties are terrible.

And that's basically, like Santa parties.

Now, we know they're no goddamn good, Bob.

They aren't any good.

Well, it's like those Red Charles rides.

I'd love to ride a horse back.

I'd love to get on a horse and ride by myself.

But those rides...

it's like what i imagine the bohemian grove is

And then they all have this big fun where, you know, some clever thing where you take a big bag of horse shit and pour it in some guy's sleeping bag or something.

And everybody thinks that's just funny as hell.

They laugh for days about it.

All of a sudden, I don't think I ever think of Carson.

I get me kicked in the butt while I'm on the subject, and I don't like it.

Because I think I don't like this.

I guess it's just the way we all are.

Everybody's different.

Christ is a yacht.

They're been in a yacht with a group of friends, and it's a horrible pain in the ass.

Yeah, I'd love to sail, but I sail by myself.

I get to go alone.

They get out there and drink and everything.

Well, I don't take one of them.

I go out for Channel, and I go out for both of them.

That's fine.

I don't mind that.

Or I don't mind a little Bob Akron.

It's a funny thing to be interesting about both of those people.

They both sit there, Kevin, and they're somewhat like that.

They don't say a goddamn word to me.

Sometimes we'll come down and start talking, but most of the time, each guy goes to himself.

But there are very few people that will do that.

I can't even, I never do it with Jack Brown.

I can't even do it with Paul Lewis.

Because they have this compulsion to have a good time.

Yes, that's right.

Come on, let's have a good time.

This is something to deal with.

It's uh, yeah.

I need a picture to put your finger on.

Whatever happens in 1972, I hope we are in great peace.

I guess it's something I just don't like.

I mean, I like the people individually, but I've gotten out of my life in that group.

I can't stand it.

And you know, I don't like this shit.

I kind of think he does.

You know, I think he does too.

He does it so well.

You go to those parties in the White House and people, if they didn't know you better, would think you were just having fun.

Well, when I had these executives, I didn't have a problem with it.

I mean, I may even do as well or even a little better job than Conley in one respect only, and that is an individual who comes through a lot.

Yeah, I think there's nobody in the world who does it better, because I have an argument with him.

I mean, I first admit it, just as he has an intimate memory.

But yet again, I give him a personal touch, and I think of different things to ask him.

You're just not going to believe it.

True, those people are mesmerized.

They are.

Receiving lines are horrible workouts for me, but they mesmerize those audiences about a year.

I think that Colson had a terrific report on this, or he said it was true, on this pandemic and the association people.

I think that's the best thing to do with them.

I could have given them my what's good about America pitch.

But they'd already had it.

I just got to shake their hands, and they all had a picture of each one of them.

And now they know you, President Nixon.

And that means much more to them than having heard a speech about President Nixon.

I just have a feeling.

Look, I fight horrible trouble.

That's my point.

I fight horrible trouble all the time like this.

You know, we've got to, we should have some things ready to go for us.

So far.

We've borrowed a chunk already, of course, and knocking it off, we'll borrow some.

But we didn't manage to cop with what?

What the hell is it going to be?

Within the grove, it'll raise to a perfect level and people will knock it off.

I said, we don't, nobody did.

See, they've, they've, they've, they've backed off now.

No, no, no, they've backed off.

I just said, I don't think so.

I, the way I do it, I don't know.

You don't know?

I, you just simply know the press.

You know the press?

Yeah, you see that the press, yeah.

Well, that's because they, because of, put it, put this down.

Because of the press.

I acknowledge the press.

That's distinguished from the way it ends.

Put it exactly this way.

The gridiron that's up there does not agree to respect the 100-meter tradition of the Grove for its being an off-the-record office.

How does that sound to you?

It's true, isn't it?

The press would not agree to respect the 100-year tradition of the Grove for an off-the-record appearance, and therefore the president felt that he would not go.

That's what it is.

You see, that's another thing here.

Herbert Hoover, in four years as president, he, of course, was an original member of the Grove.

He helped to found the goddamn

It isn't so much the state of service as it is the press.

It's getting the focus of public attention out of the play.

I'm talking about the other thing you hit upon, Harry.

It's like what you said about the movie.

And then the focus of going into the press, even though we've only had 100 of them, or a pool, they're going to write what a crisis is, pissing on the trees, all that stuff, piss on the trees.

It is hard to explain.

And they say...

rich men and so forth, it looks to me like we're in California who appear to be a bunch of fat old rich men lying on the grass, lying on the grass, partying, belching, half of them drunk, drunk, but true, most of them are.

I mean, or half drunk, you know, they have a big lunch at noon, and they have a big dinner.

I mean, it is, it isn't bad, you think, because I'll tell you what happens is,

If you know a top businessman, after any of the chief executive officers, he's got that well enough to be seen drunk out there.

So there are a lot of them that behave.

But on the other hand, that's true of the gridiron.

That's the good of the gridiron.

Three-fourths of them are just sluggish and drunk.

That's right.

They torture them.

They're terrible.

That's why they get in fights.

That's another reason, you know, that I could kind of get up there, because I know I never can.

I just can't stand it.

And I've had times, I mean, I've been through the times, and I've been out partying and ****, but I cannot stand doing it in the company of a large, big group, because then, you know, people come up to you with the most inane shit, you know, and it's embarrassing.

Yeah, it's embarrassing.

And they all look so terrible, too.

Sure, people say that.

I thought about that, but I don't see how you can make any sense out of it.

I think if you don't go to the Grove, I think you just...

The problem is we've set up that other thing where we just scratch it.

With Reagan?

Well, with Reagan and that whole momentum thing.

Well, can we put that on for the day I arrive and actually do it?

Yeah.

See?

Put that away.

Fine.

And also, can we ask Grady to come here then?

Sure.

Ask him to come in here for a meeting.

I'm not sure we're doing the right thing.

I think we are.

I don't want to second guess it, because you see, I just, I just, I'm not, I've got to get off, get either on or off of the notes.

I've got to get out and work, work more on the goddamn speech.

That's why I'm still trying to not do anything about it.

I'll tell you another thing.

I'm not sure it's worth all this effort to put it into a man's speech.

It's off the record.

I really don't think it is.

Have you had a chance since then to re-read that 67th speech?

Did you ever re-read it recently?

I just did yesterday.

Basically, you think that thing was going on a goddamn note.

Now, that took me hell of a courage.

It's back to the point.

I went down John Day's to that place in Alamoa, and I wrote for four days.

And I wrote by the son of a bitch.

But if you read that speech, Bob, when you figured that I didn't do any of that at all, no other goddamn line,

That is my son.

And that is a hell of a good speech.

Don't you agree?

It sure is.

And it really, you know, it has a sort of tour de force.

Well, it has examples of, you know, I pull this man and I go over this man.

And it ends with a high note.

I can't get back to Price and the boys and say, no, this is the way, this is the way he thinks.

And, you know, you notice it moves from one place to another.

The difficulty with rappers is that they have to have what they call transition.

The Americas.

When you speak, you don't need a transition there.

You notice I say, let us look at the world, let us look at Latin America, let us turn it down to Asia.

You don't have to say it.

As we look at Latin America, we must react with an Asia.

It's very different.

You see my point?

That's the way you write it.

That's the way you say it.

You take people like a grove.

The example I was going to use was to say how the world was 21 years ago when I first went to the grove.

And I said, how does it look today?

And I said, we had to see it when there was war in Vietnam.

But I said, right at this moment, three hours ago, some men, right at this moment, some men are walking in the grove.

And they look down at the earth.

What do they see?

Vietnam is a tiny speck.

But then they see the whole world.

Let's look at it that way.

Well, that's the kind of thing that's great.

You see, that's the kind of thing that is, it's a shame not to do it.

Oh, I'll do it in other places.

I can do it tomorrow out there at the, out there at the... Den.

Den, sure.

I've got much to say there anyway.

Goddamn Den.

I imagine if there was a lot of TV coverage there, it would get a little flip on that.

That's not true, Bob.

I understand.

Let's, when we say he's a problem, wrong or right, I don't want you to call up, uh, to get a lobby, you know, to have, you know, an action.

But we will.

Yeah, I know we'll get a lobby.

Because it's been announced to us, you know, it's been in the papers.

I know.

That's what's bothering the old ones, is that it was in the papers.

Oh, shit.

That's too bad.

So how many of these have come without me in the papers?

No.

It must have been in the paper when he was there.

It was an incredible press bus.

I don't know when he was going up, but yeah, months, months before.

He didn't do that.

I don't think so.

Screw you.

It was good at this viewpoint.

Okay.

Fine.

Knocking them off isn't all that bad, but I don't think that's a big negative either.

Well, it's not a negative to the press, let's begin with that.

Press-wise, it's a good one.

I was going, and I can't go because of the fact that it's an anti-growth.

It'll be anti-growth or whatever.

You do it on this basis, blame the press, and it can be a negative.

But that's protecting bulimia.

You're protecting bulimia, so you have the press.

I want the press to understand.

When I talked to Conley last night about it, he said, yeah, he said, gee, that's great.

He really appreciated your

But then he said, International Monitor, he said, I'm sure I can go, but I better confirm it to you tomorrow morning.

And he said, I'm not sure I should be out of town.

And I said, well, the President mentioned that you might feel that the international situation was such that you should go, but you don't want to raise it.

He said, well, to be perfectly frank with you, I was thinking about raising the question of whether the President should be gone this weekend.

He said, I'm not at all sure.

that if something's breaking, maybe we don't want to be there.

He said, if I'm not, if I'm doing it at all, we can handle it wherever we are.

Which, of course, you can.

That's the thing.

I think on the record, you can do, you can be president anywhere.

Yeah, sure.

I didn't like it, but that may be what we can go over to.

Well, we're not going to do that.

That trigger is something that's all over here.

Not a long chance that something did happen.

Actually, what the hell's he doing with the Grove?

Well, if it happens, it probably wouldn't be at the Grove anyway.

It'd be at the West End White House or something.

Or I'll do anything you want from there.

Sure would be.

I suppose they need another speaker.

No problem.

George Bush was your speaker that you pushed out, and so they were going to have him do the noon speech.

So I just moved him to go back to the lake side.

He's there anyway.

Good.

Fine.

Well, let's do it.

Let's decide it now, Bob.

And I don't want to hear any other arguments about it the other way.

Can you turn just a little more on the matter of Roswanker, Mosbacher, the rest of the two?

Sure.

You won't hear any more arguments.

I just want, I hope I've given you a balance.

You've given a balance.

I'm just not sure I've given a good balance.

No, I think the thing that you've given, and I asked this, you know, personally, I said, what did Mayor think of it?

And I got the impression it was for it.

Well, if I had any idea that he was against it, I wouldn't have done it anyway.

It has to be.

He's gone up and down.

What he's doing, obviously, is like the president, one of those things, he says he's the victim of the vocal members.

And that's always true.

And I'm sure a couple of the old farts came up and said, what the hell are you doing letting the president come in here and ruin this grove?

So fair to you.

I just don't feel right about it.

And you know what?

We were thinking of this California elite.

Did you realize we could put on our own party

And I can go out and talk to them.

And I can do that all the time.

You could have the California Deacons dinner at the Western Lawn House.

Have tables out in front of the school.

Or I could have them, frankly, I could have them at the...

They're up here.

You haven't heard of them?

Well, you could pick them, I think, at the dinner at the Western Lawn House.

Or we could go to a club up there.

I could go to...

put them around the pool.

And you have no problem of it being off the record that way.

And then pull them out.

And it's clearly your party, and it's less visible that way.

It's a private social function.

You don't put out a guest list.

If it's in a club, they watch who comes and goes.

I said, hey, please, let's not put out a guest list on anything.

I just screw it.

I don't need to.

Johnson was right about that, John.

He refused.

That's kind of good.

Which impedes things to be something interesting to some people.

They've got to write something.

But guest lists, I don't think bother anybody who's got that business.

Do you?

I do.

I think they get it.

They get it.

Okay.

But I think on a private level, on a personal level, you should not put on guest lists ever.

Now we've decided that we've got to recite it and turn it off, period.

Because I can't turn around and fight all of them.

Because of the pressures, they're going to be horribly disappointed.

This is a great mistake.

I've got to rip up and start screwing around.

That's what I'm wondering, though, if there are going to be those.

I don't think you ought to ask, though.

I think I've already decided.

You see, I think you're going to have

They can't peddle that on the grounds that you're using for not coming.

We'll make sure they peddle it.

We can dramatize them a little after the growth.

I'll just tell you, it was clear that in trying to work out the arrangements, it was absolutely clear that the press won't make it possible for the President of the United States to do this right on the press, to do this kind of a thing.

And he, as a bohemian, would never prevent violation of the growth agreement.

My point is, I think it's very simple.

that has never been broken of off-the-record appearances.

The press has refused to accept that

as much as he would like to come.

He will not suppress or refuse to respect that as much as he would like to come.

He has reminded me of it.

Incidentally, Bob, you know, of course, the president is there, but do you know the crisis they had?

The Secretary of State, Steve Depp, Roger spoke there last year, Blair spoke.

Everybody speaks the goddamn thing, and it's always respected as off the record.

It has never been answered.

Well, a lot of places.

I don't understand it, honestly, because you see a lot of places, including the grid act, off the record.

And I don't understand why they won't take it off the record.

We will hear it.

We'll bring it into this goddamn White House.

There it's off the record.

I've got to do more of it.

But you do it all the time.

I'll do it.

You do lots of stuff off the record.

You spoke to the Boys Nation kids off the record here.

I feel much better about this, Bob.

I just feel like too much.

I got this.

The trouble is, don't too many negatives.

See, I'm unbalancing the story, I'm sure, because I think, as I said, you've got to know, Baird was negative and changed to positive, and then today, no.

Because he's, well, and then back to positive again, because when the advanced man left him, which is the last,

And Trohan is sort of next, you know.

He didn't say not to come.

Well, listen, I decided not to come because of the press situation.

They're going to report the speech.

That's the other side of it.

We've learned it, and I'm not going to do it that way.

The press guys are going to...

But let me tell you, I'll screw this press.

Don't worry.

I'll tell you, David, I've learned my lesson.

There's not going to be any more of this crap.

I'm trying to reform it each time.

three or four days before I go to Florida, and the rest, they can come when I get ready.

I may or may not go.

Speeches and everything else.

The rage is crying.

Say it was one of their people, like a Kennedy going to this ship.

They were dreaming of compiling a lab for all the president's citizens to come from there.

Don't overemphasize that.

Ron says there's no crisis in the press room.

It isn't one of those things like sometimes when everybody's up in arms.

It isn't that at all.

No, we haven't been informed, and maybe the Grove doesn't know this, but CBS says they've got a line in, the UPI says they've got a line in, and that means that I cannot speak off the record.

And that really is the controlling factor.

This speech is either going to be off the record in the tradition of the Grove or not.

And I think that would leave, let me say, a bad taste, not just among the O'Connor.

They're kind of proud of that.

Well, I would be, with the truth.

Of course, it's never really off the record, because people are still...

Talk about year 67.

They talk about it, but it's not better than the papers.

That is a difference.

It adds a lot of mystique to it.

They think they're hearing something that everybody else isn't hearing.

It's exclusive.

That's what a club is all about, right?

And I break it.

Once it's broken, it'll be broken for others after that, too.

You make the secretary of state, secretary of writer and so on.

Those people...

aren't under watch.

You have to account for 24 hours a day.

All presidents do.

They don't.

They let it take off for a weekend, and unless he puts out something, let's say, you know, he gives a name where he goes over to play golf, nobody knows he's playing golf, right?

Pretty much.

That's right.

It basically is.

But it isn't true of you.

There's just too many people whose whole

Life is sticky.

You know, I never went to the grill when I was high school.

Did you?

Yeah.

All that kind of shit.

Threatening.

They will write about that.

The light, the horrors and everything.

If they were there, they would.

They won't get in to see them, so they won't say, well, we should ride that girl around the place.

They can find out from some guy who's been to the Bohemian Club and doesn't like it or something like that, but

And that, of course, won't hurt me, you understand.

But it'll hurt the club very badly.

And it's worth it, really.

So that's it.

Okay.

Now, who do you have to call first?

And why don't you make the call, rather than giving it to some second person, so that it comes from the highest level.

Oh, well, there's only that side.

And is Carlos well?

No, maybe I'll bear it.

Now, put it to bear, though, so that he isn't in any spot, just that the press would not respect the confidentiality in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the, in the,

The president said I'm concerned the chances that he could not break the 100-meter tradition would grow, and that was it when he lost 9,000.

That's the recipe to that bogeyman here.

Yeah.

Until we get Ron in.

Yeah.

Good.

My name is Tom Lincoln.

I haven't been to Connell's Bracket, have you noticed?

I think I had an order of a bar for breakfast, you know?

Yes, I have.

What do you think?

I hate breakfast.

I hate meals, and I hate lunch.

I would sit around with breakfast all day.

I didn't have any lunch.

I walked out of the kitchen and said,

Because you do, if you get a guy like that, you don't mind, you have to eat dinner, have a little time for dinner.

I have a feeling you don't mind having dinner with somebody once in a while.

You have to do it quick.

Yeah.

And it's what you would understand.

But, you know, I think he likes going out on the boat with dinner, having a beer for dinner.

Coming up to Camp David, I have, like this weekend,

So what you might want to do is just have it.

We'll cancel it out of the church now.

Yeah, I am canceling it.

You'll come back.

All right.

And then you'll leave here.

No, I don't have to.

If she is, I'll check her back.

Mrs. Nixon, please.

Yeah.

Let's go to good Iowa.

Good Iowa.

And then just come back here and go on up to the other thing.

I'll come back here and go over.

helicopter for the campaign.

I do my thinking there just as well as any place.

It's pleasant.

It's a crappy weather here.

Huh?

It's a lousy weather here.

Oh, yeah.

But I don't think it's a good idea.

I don't think it is.

Yeah.

Hello.

Hi.

That is, uh, is, uh, Julie, uh,

Uh, gonna come up or do I not, you know, this weekend?

I see.

Fine.

Good.

Well, sure.

Anytime she wants.

Okay.

Fine.

I just want to check it out.

Fine.

Yeah.

Yeah, well, there's a possibility.

There's a possibility I might go myself because we may have to, because of the road, I have to change my plans on that.

I'm probably not going to California.

So if so, I will go up, see?

I might.

Well, I'll let you know.

I'll know later this afternoon.

Okay.

I won't know for a couple hours.

That's a damn good thing to do, whether it works or not.

Really, it's a good start.

Let's go back to that Michigan Survey Research Center thing and the need to appear to be doing something.

It just makes a hell of a lot of sense.

This morning on the radio, the whole dominant thing on the radio news was President Nixon has summoned the railroad leaders to the White House for a nine o'clock meeting.

And we went out afterwards on camera and gave your views for free collective bargain price.

They can and are able to solve their own problem and pointed to the seriousness with which you looked at the matter and so forth on that economic impact.

I think it's playing very well.

And that tied together with the steel thing, and if it all... We can do some of that without YouTube.

Right.

And that, I know, but we don't apparently do that.

No, but this is one, this is a trouble, a trouble with Schultz.

social viewers, you know, he's a great believer in not showing presidential or government interference in these things, and he's right, you know, except that you've got the shows that have got that interference from the public standpoint.

You remember, like, Kennedy cursing out Steele, that people say that hurt him.

It didn't hurt him at all.

It helped him harmlessly.

It made 16 million persons mad as hell, and that forever.

One in about six million Americans.

People said, well, they should have told that son of a bitch.

They think they are sons of bitches.

That's right.

And they also think the labor leaders are.

That's right.

So you've got to call a man and kick him in the ass.

You get this process that John Robson did, that John Robson or Robson did for Johnson, that Rumsfeld keeps kicking on, that doesn't involve the president at all, but Robson was in here, and he spent all his time hauling people in and job-building them.

public word out that he was doing it.

But in his industries, they knew the White House cared.

And the word was around that way and amongst the unions that the White House was trying to do something.

They didn't really get into it, but they appeared to be.

Well, that's what Rumsfeld's been arguing for a year and a half that we should do this.

Well, just a good line, too, for example, with ushering, where the president instructed ushering to go to Cleveland to meet with one of them.

You know, that's, Lester is the guy to do with this kind of thing.

You can have Lester sitting here in the White House and just calling people in all day, every day, or going out to Salt River and calling these people in there.

I decided to do Ken's road thing, which will be a really terrifying basis for it.

This is the anniversary of the old club.

It has, for a hundred years, an unbroken tradition of the Vietnam War.

It's had, of course, a hundred years, thousands of years, an unbroken tradition along the way.

I learned, however, due to the fact that the press, I am criticized by the press, and as you mentioned, particularly the CBS network, that the

and I didn't press on others in many cases, they will not respect that authoritative condition that the President should, as a commander of the Union, does not want to be, does not want to break that condition because, of course, it would destroy him for all time to come to.

So that's that.

And that's the basis for it.

Now, as I understand it, CBS said they didn't have a way of covering it.

They implied that.

CBS implied that they had a source in there.

One television network and one of the wire services indicated that they were not.

One of the wire services was already in the game.

UPI was the furnace.

They said that they would not find it.

They said that.

That's right.

And so that's the case.

They understand that we aren't pretty.

That's the case that I don't know.

Okay.

That would be a good way to get on the gridiron.

So I have the same theory.

The gridiron was a club.

It was a club.

I've never heard a press man, never heard a press man raise a question on the author of the content of the press release.

No.

I believe the author has spoken twice.

Well, I have spoken three times, probably.

Or anybody else, six, eight, ten times.

Of course, even the gridiron stuff gets in the paper.

Not with the president.

Hold on, hold on.

The gridiron club, sir, we're on the gridiron club, publishes the songs.

But they've never put up a speech.

They've never put up, I've never seen the gridiron speech put up.

But the speech, the speech that I remember somebody say, well, they think one guy laid an egg or one guy with a piano sketch got off the course, but none of those said.

Right.

That's right.

Very interesting.

Pretty good.

That's a good rule.

But this is the way it will happen.

It's fine.

And I think, I really think on balance is the best thing because we, it would be important to hit this very important audience with an effective speech.

On the other hand, and I would like to do that for the anniversary, we stayed there at the same time as the president.

I don't know.

I should have said I would be glad to participate.

Maybe it's a club downtown.

You better just say what I'm going to say.

But I really feel strong.

Hoover never went when he was president.

I never went when I was vice president.

And so I do feel that under the circumstances of Goldwater, they did not report anything.

No, they did not.

They did, or they just made themselves passive.

Well, they...

I talked to Goldwater's, after I had talked to you.

No, the fellow who was his prosecutor, and I can't bring to mind that.

They apparently tried to go across the Russian River and canoes.

But we understand all that.

And I understand that, but if it wasn't for Goldwater...

The president of the United States is a great deal different than him.

and the candidate, and the Browns.

That's right.

But they attempt to draw a different parallel because there's some 1,700 people there, board sham, and they've got works.

There's another potential negative amongst the Bohemians.

If you're coming in for 45 minutes giving a speech, and if you go out and sign in a gig, and then leave rather than spending the night, the ones that want you can twist that, but you can't even use them.

use it for the purpose of their thing.

And particularly the past, they would use it in the speech dialogue.

That's right.

And that's the thing I cannot risk.

I cannot risk it.

If it were just for them alone, I don't think it would be much of a shift.

Because that's been done before.

Yeah.

But what really pisses me off is they thought I used them for the purpose of speaking to the country.

And there would be no way...

It's about 98% sure that a portion of what you said would get out some way, and there'd be no way to indicate to them that we didn't put it out there.

I knew about the California problem, so we couldn't move on out there.

Well, if you go, if you cancel on this basis, you go on out there on the basis that you also had the meeting and the dedication plan for Monday morning.

I just wonder what, how will you come out on that?

It seems to me it's a lot easier on you to just come back.

I'm basically thinking about it.

It's just not for everybody.

It's good up on the time frame.

I asked her to go out there and count.

Let's see.

It's three hours more, isn't it, from Iowa?

Yep.

Three hours more.

Let's see how we go.

Let's see if we can get out there and count.

That's your guidance.

On the California, maybe you'd better not put that out.

I'll wait until 4.

I don't have any.

Yeah, that's right.

We're going to have to do the fact that the California aspect of it is, what are we going to do?

I have to find out.

I'll wait until I get back to the bottom of that.

I'll hold this until we get to the top of the theater.

If you go to California or not.

Yeah.

Okay, bye.

There was a great picture on CBS where they stopped the film.

They froze the frame.

I haven't seen them do that in three years.

Do you know how the press got a hold of that letter that I wrote to them?

to find that out.

Because I was a handwritten letter.

And I don't know who the hell knew it.

I don't know.

I didn't know anybody knew it but me.

You told me that you had sent it out.

And Hank knew it because I talked to Al.

I was sitting there talking to Al last night and this thing came up on CBS.

And he looked at me and I looked at him and

You know, how did this happen?

I don't know how it went out, but I'm trying.

I'll find out.

I was close to it.

Well, it shouldn't go out.

God damn it.

Why don't we know?

Why don't we know now?

I haven't asked anybody yet.

I just found out this was out.

Did you tell Sam Park?

How did you know?

I don't know.

I can't agree.

I don't know.

It's just a question.

I don't mind anything being put out.

But they should have asked.

You know, they should have asked.

Of course, my view would have been that the time, if we did decide to put it out, would have been after Apollo 15 got back.

Because it would have been... Well, as a matter of fact, it was ours to put out.

That's the point.

I heard the letter to the child.

And you don't put the President doesn't write a letter and then say, look at the letter I sent to this child.

She puts it out.

That's what we do with the Soviet ambassador.

So I don't know.

I think somebody, I just hope nobody here did.

Well, somebody must have because the Russians would, well, the Russians could have.

No.

That was the thing you were talking about.

Yes, sir.

You don't think they hate the Russians?

My view is they did not.

But we can easily find out.

It's just nobody's asked the question yet.

Let us ask the question.

We'll find out.

Because that's one that somebody obviously thought he was doing a good thing and put it out for the purpose of getting it out.

As we do lots of things.

Well, I want to be ready.

We have a program that follows up on getting those letters out to people around the world.

Do they all know it?

Have they heard it all?

I don't know.

But other than that, it was a hell of a good story, provided it had been handled as I wanted it to be handled.

If they wanted it out, fine, but if they didn't, I wouldn't put it out.

I agree, that's what you told me, and that's, it was, I didn't know anybody knew you had written it, either.

No, absolutely not.

A Californian...

If you went out, consider it a possibility, you would get there at 3.45, be at the house at 4 or 4.30 on Saturday.

You could go and still take Mitchell and Connelly home if you wanted to.

And I don't think it's worth wearing my sunglasses on.

Well, that's what I think.

I've been thinking about it.

We've got to think of all the time, as I've told you, is that the mental and emotional strain of this office is more than anybody ever realizes.

There are none of us.

I did better than most because of just taking good care of myself.

And I just don't think I ought to go out there.

And where my sister-in-law had that, I'm not concerned about the three and a half hours going out there.

I'm concerned about the train off the plane after five and a half hours coming back from there to here.

Right.

And a four, a four and a half.

I hear, I guess they thought we'd be pushed.

I got a lot of things, so I just think I'll stay here.

So we'll spread California too.

Okay.

I think that's the best thing.

Yeah, I think it is.

It also, I mean, it looks better.

Yeah.

And frankly, just since we do have a possibility of having to do something in the steel industry and the international market, that's that.

Okay, let's call that a motion.

A lot of things are going to happen.

Well, I mean, except her other dad was on .

Well, you didn't.

And then when the last convoy began to

Actually, if I stay here, I think I don't think I will.

I think that's when I go there, I think I'm better off to be by myself.

Saturday, that's when you come.

Now, Monday's clear, so we should leave it clear.

I think we should leave it clear.

That'll be our clear day, actually, because Wednesday, I'm going to be working with the press conference.

So that Tuesday might be a night.

I've got a wallet, so I can do all I want to do.

I'll keep my suit.

You said it.

You can't do it.

I can't do it.

I don't believe that.

I don't believe it.

We have an album on the press, in fact, that changes that nicely, too.

Tell the Buchanan's crowd, why don't we leave one of these over there?

I don't want to spend this much time.

I'd like to have a press thing, the book, both books, by...

but i would do it then

This will be, I'll be back here as a matter of fact, in a while.

I'll be back by 2 or 3 and a half.

It's later back here.

Wow.

Yeah.

So it'll be a leather.

200 points.

Is that what you want to do?

We'll have a chopper.

You just go right if you can.

Yeah, but I don't want to come back here.

Yeah, well, no.

I think we all just want to come, but if you want to come here, it's better.

She didn't want to go up early.

Well, what time is it going to be?

I don't know.

Well, okay.

I think she ought to work.

I mean...

Either 145 there, 145, or 345, or a few other words.

You look it up, it'll run fine.

Probably fine.

Because with bears, the first I get caught up in the way, I don't get much longer than that.

I just wanted to say that we're just terribly sorry that the President wanted to come, but we run into a problem here, and we want you to explain to the President that the President is a bohemian that knows the 100-year tradition of all the record speeches.

If it's ever broken, it will never be coming again.

The press has refused our request to be on the record, and they said that they will.

They do have one radio, that one television number is indicated in plan.

They will cover it, find a way to cover it.

And one of the, that one wire service is indicated under the circumstances of presence.

They decided they will not come.

and jeopardize and terrorize the world's traditions.

Explain that and get my best wishes to everybody there.

We had planned that you would say no to the president.

We thought we had this well arranged.

The president's own order, we're only going to need two Secret Service men.

Had they worked that out or were they going to have 30?

No, they were going to have eight.

God damn it.

Eight.

Four in.

You had four in at that time.

No, we had nothing.

By that time, we had four secret service men.

We had limited hit.

It was tough.

We had worked out a little.

We had, as a matter of fact, almost got a presidential decree to have the lowest number of coverage in the history of the president.

There was.

There was no question of that.

And we worked all that out.

We worked it out.

There was no stand.

Everything else.

But now this thing has come on.

And I said we can't do it.

Okay?

So we worked that out.

I'll feel better about it.

Thank you.