Nixon, Mitchell & Haldeman on leaks and gold window proposal

40:06We're stopping a little, Tom.
40:08We're starting to get ready.
43:55We spent a minute on that leak to see that's standing there crucially, you know.
43:59I tracked down the other one, and I was right.
44:02What he had was, about ten days ago, he had the contents of the Kissinger memorandum to you on your show online.
44:13Remember?
44:13That's the thing you were cranked up about before.
44:17Now, that doesn't count.
44:18That doesn't.
44:18John, just this one.
44:19It must be the Kissinger show that to...
44:21The Kissinger show to Peterson.
44:25It's all I know.
44:29I can't imagine.
44:37He hasn't shown anybody.
44:38Roberts.
44:39You see, this year had cleaned up.
44:42I know.
44:42I didn't get to say anything.
44:43Well, I didn't.
44:44That's right.
44:45I didn't.
44:46Hey.
44:47I don't know how the hell he...
44:55Where did this come from?
44:57Where did this come from?
44:59Paul Scott had an argument.
45:01He had an argument, which is very disturbing.
45:04We're considering closing the goal.
45:07Well, that, of course, is John Cotton's system.
45:10Crank and close the door with it.
45:11I mean, it can have a goddamn run, and then we don't have to make it.
45:15We can move it away or two.
45:16You scare some of the police out of this, and it lays out a whole contingency plan for you there, and so forth.
45:24The course of the trade, they didn't really handle it by saying, look, we've got lots of time, but we do not see any necessity for operation.
45:32He's going to make it back the way Connolly should handle it, I'm sure he's thought of that way as well.
45:36For a long time the agency plan has occurred.
45:40And the point is that this has had to come from somebody who is aware of what the book is on this.
45:48There is an agency plan about closing gold.
45:51But also this company, did you ever find out how the history then got up?
45:55Did you ever find out?
45:57No.
45:58I'm trying to find out whether they found anything out on it.
46:03Well, first it would go to hand.
46:05And you ask Henry, now Henry, to whom did you show this memo?
46:09Well, that's kind of done.
46:10No, it was Henry who was the one that started on the first one.
46:16You understand.
46:17Let me tell you why.
46:18I know it has to be somebody Henry showed it to.
46:21I didn't do it.
46:26I just don't know.
46:27What was the Kissinger leak?
46:30The Kissinger leak was of his conversation to online.
46:56My God.
46:57Thank God it was not picked up by anybody else.
47:00Scott is considered to be quite bad.
47:03My God.
47:06Well, I know.
47:08Actually, what it is, is a two-fault sanitized version, which had two columns.
47:12It had the one that's on the old paper, and the one that's on the paper, where I said, now Henry, give us that.
47:17It was a building.
47:22We gave them an egg to look at.
47:25We let Colin look at it.
47:26You're supposed to look at it.
47:28And that's all.
47:29But you know, so that people know.
47:31But I told Mr. Johnson, I said, another reason for this.
47:33I'm trying to keep.
47:35Henry talks a lot about security, but sometimes when he gets to something like this, he talks too much about it.
47:41So on this Goldwindow thing, at least to my knowledge, you haven't had a document that you put down, like I said.
47:46No document.
47:47I've never seen it that I know.
47:49I mean, I've never seen it.
47:50I haven't.
47:51What, Connie?
47:52I didn't know it was accurate.
47:55But that's something Bob would say when he's staffing out over in the treasury.
48:01That's right.
48:02There is a treasury staff.
48:04So it's also got to be this... Peterson has this thing.
48:09He had the book, remember?
48:10Yeah, Tommy said he had the black book.
48:13Peterson insisted on it.
48:15He kept the book at home to study over a weekend.
48:18Now, does...
48:19I mean...
48:22Do we know?
48:23Can't you find out who talks to Paul Scott?
48:30Can't we do that?
48:32It's terribly embarrassing.
48:34It's a strange thing, because Scott hasn't been, at least to my knowledge, hasn't been a leaked source until recently.
48:41That would put it on fears, too.
48:45If Scott is a Chicago columnist, he is.
48:58Would you like to call me a doctor, please?
49:04Come on.
49:05Come on.
52:03This thing is just incredible.
52:07This is the Paul Scott bomb.
52:10And it says, Joe Pompey, this year, and this year, during the speaking of Kissinger Memorandum to the President, highlighted Joe's suggestion in reporting the wreckage of the bomb.
52:19And it's got all the details of the bomb.
52:24It's got a direct quotation in quotes.
52:27What my government wants at this time is a public sign that the U.S. is going to begin facing others in the world.
52:33Who is checking that?
52:36Who is checking that?
52:38Who you got in the evening, or who?
52:39None of that.
52:41Crowe?
52:41No.
52:42This one?
52:42Henry's office was checked.
52:44Oh, Christ.
52:45Well, because they were the only ones that had access to it.
52:47Well, I really want to check now on this.
52:50We've got a line that's leading to Scotland.
52:53You've got to do it, John.
52:55This is a terrible thing.
52:56Scott is not unfriendly.
52:57I don't mean that.
52:59But you can't leave that kind of material.
53:01That's devastating, too.
53:03That is devastating as hell.
53:06That, John, is just unbelievable.
53:07It's got all the facts.
53:08It's right.
53:09That's what Connolly said to the drummer this time.
53:11He said, it happens to be correct.
53:14I'll tell you, it really burns my ass.
53:16There is a confidential Treasury Department study.
53:19There is.
53:19Mr. President, the girl who incidentally kissed you is throwing up.
53:23I'm a little confused.
53:24Do you want Henry to come in here?
53:25Yeah, I think I'm going to come in second.
53:27I want you to drop out of the meeting in two minutes and come up here.
53:31Bye then.
53:32This is Darren Cho, also being further talked to.
53:34This is true.
53:35We've got the next trip to be carried out at P. King's New Embassy in Ottawa by point one.
53:41Sometimes they put things like that in that are not true.
53:45A good, clever reporter in order to cover the source.
53:51Is that a false cut?
53:53It's hard to find a common thread between those two.
54:04If there is one, I'm not sure.
54:07There's just a few people who knew about this.
54:14There's more people than I thought.
54:16It's about to go, you know, if it's in.
54:21I'll tell you, he's got a hand in the ball game now.
54:24He's mad about it.
54:27Not mad, but just sort of forced to do something earlier.
54:37I'll tell you, he said, I could have been crazy for this.
54:40I said, would you scare him to death over there?
54:43He says, I think I have.
54:45And I think he has to.
54:48But I think he's right.
54:49I mean, the Council of Economic Advisors, you know, they go over, they got a big staff.
54:54They go over and they talk to those kids.
54:56So they go out.
54:57Yeah.
54:58Now, there may be a clue here.
55:00McCracken has just called and asked urgently if he could see you for a few minutes this afternoon, which is, he very rarely does.
55:08He puts a request that way.
55:13He may have something on him, too.
55:20All right.
55:21I see.
55:21And he knows he's got B&Q tomorrow.
55:24For sure.
55:25Show him some.
55:25Yeah.
55:26Henry, I want to spend a minute on something here.
55:29This Paul Scott leak on Joe Biden.
55:30Did you make any check to find out who might know about it?
55:35Well, I put it in the office today, yeah.
55:39We're because we have another leak.
55:41Unfortunate.
55:42But that isn't true.
55:48This has been my memo.
55:51Somebody knows something.
55:56It's a parcel of your truth.
56:37So there are two that are going to leak such a damn thing.
56:40McCracken.
56:41McCracken did a discussion with him this year.
56:45Just trying to think of anybody to see who could have... Because it could be a common thread.
56:50It could be the same thing.
56:52It is close.
56:52It is close.
56:53There's no question about it.
56:55The quote's not correct.
56:56Well, that's easy, though.
56:58Somebody wouldn't actually show the memo, but they might get out from recollection just given the wrong quotes.
57:05I think there's another one there where somebody put this.
57:07Scott got some information from somebody.
57:10Oh, he's asking how he got this fucking shit.
57:14Well, some of it is planned wrong.
57:16Yeah.
57:16I mean, for someone like me, they ought to get off and get it out.
57:19Well, okay.
57:20That's all I want to know, whether I can go back.
57:22I just want to know whether or not we're trying to find out.
57:26Peterson, you're sure we did not discuss the memorandum with him?
57:31I'm pretty sure.
57:32But I'm sure that I didn't go to any
57:34Detail like this.
57:36Peterson could not have been the source of this article.
57:40Okay.
57:41McCracken, he had been the source of this article.
57:43No, no, no.
57:44It was more Schultz.
57:46It was more, you know, a little more, but still not in that much detail.
57:55It was Schultz's senior memorandum.
57:57He was the president of the church.
58:01The guy almost just had to have seen the email.
58:03He remembered it arrived and took it out.
58:07Well, except that some of it is in the memorandum.
58:10Some of it, Henry, do you have the, do you have the MSC, does anybody in the MSC have the gold window of business, you know, Connolly's idea of imposing the gold window now?
58:21Are you sure that Peterson hasn't sent that in to you, or that you don't have it in the treasury?
58:29I've heard you don't have it from Chester.
58:32I've checked.
58:33I have not seen it.
58:34It has not come to me.
58:36Yeah, I know you can see it might be in your system someplace over there.
58:45You're an economic guy.
58:47That's what I want to check.
58:48I have to check with Mr. Christensen.
58:52It's not good.
58:54That's why we don't buy it anymore.
58:55I just want you to just check the damn thing out.
58:59Our purpose is to have the enemy here.
59:01It's not to punish anybody on this one, actually.
59:06It's just to be cautious.
59:07I don't mind anyone.
59:08I don't mind anybody else.
59:09The point on the gold is that they see a cause around gold, which would be devastating, and it's so goddamn soon that the fellas have to be fired.
59:18That's all there is to it.
59:20You know, it's what it is now.
59:21It's just unbelievable.
59:23I tell you, if you can't operate in the economic field, your actions are going to be...
59:30There are only three people that know about it.
59:42I have Schultz, and the other is Cox, and the other is me.
59:48We're keeping Peterson out, so all Peterson and McCracken are on the fringe.
59:56I don't think your staff did it.
59:59My point is, I'm just wondering.
1:00:02What I'm trying to see is where the thread would lead.
1:00:05Some of business address them.
1:00:10On this content could it come from state, not based on my conversations, but on what they had told us it was of.
1:00:19I see.
1:00:20In removing the fleet.
1:00:22That's one way you can track that, which I thought you were doing was analyzing the errors.
1:00:27If you, for example, chose to not make any demands that we would support beatings membership in the United Nations and the UN Security Council, that isn't true.
1:00:36I told him what our plan was, but he...
1:00:38Said he'd oppose it, and he never asked me for it.
1:00:42I never said that it required congressional approval to move away naval forces, and the reply he gave was incorrect.
1:00:52On the other hand, just facing out of the military, no, that he didn't say.
1:01:01But on the other hand, you also said that they said that it was, or... Yeah, yeah.
1:01:06Well, I should forget it.
1:01:08There may not be a common thread, but I've got to get after this gutting on this thing.
1:01:14This thing, we know damn well, has come right on us.
1:01:18Either Treasury, or the Council of Economic Advisers, or the FISA.
1:01:22There ain't nobody else who knows for sure.
1:01:24Well, when asked about China's cultural revolution, it's so reported that it's continuing like a revolution in your country.
1:01:30It's totally wrong.
1:01:32Would you, for the visits of that extra boat, would you...
1:01:34I want you to ask George for an answer.
1:01:43Who is it?
1:01:43Maybe George doesn't have it.
1:01:46He knows better than to talk to the president.
1:01:48I don't know if it's in the journal.
1:01:50It's Scott's syndicated.
1:01:51Yeah, yes, Scott.
1:01:53Isn't that that scholar who worked for him?
1:01:55Yeah, that's him.
1:01:57Thank you very much.
1:01:58Thank you very much.
1:02:00Forget it.
1:02:02It's such a small thing.
1:02:08We could add it.
1:02:11Well, of course, Harlem and I also know about this, because we were there when Connolly was just...
1:02:15I know.
1:02:15What else do we know about that?
1:02:17And I've wondered about these.
1:02:19That's right.
1:02:20No question about it.
1:02:24Uh...
1:02:24Have you got any large news stories for us this week?
1:02:29We've got to place the bullet on this Kent State thing, and announce that we're not going to have the grand jury.
1:02:35We've delayed it until school was over, until Congress was out, so that we could do it with the least possible effort.
1:02:42Oh, I see.
1:02:43Well, I see you want to cover it.
1:02:48There's one possibility, if that's what it is.
1:02:55The other possibility would be for you to put it out that day after I have my conference.
1:03:18Is that what you mean?
1:03:18Yes, I just wanted something so it's not the front page story, because, you know, there's all sorts of clamor from the Hill and from citizens' groups and the Scranton Commission.
1:03:29Let me put it this way.
1:03:31Let me put it this way, John.
1:03:34I mean, first I'll go on with my questioning.
1:03:41If I do, I will do it at three o'clock.
1:03:44And then over to the Justice Department, she put it out, if they ask me about it at 3 o'clock, and I'll just say, yes, the Justice Department has sent me a statement.
1:03:55If they don't ask me, I'll just say nothing.
1:03:58How would that sound to you?
1:04:01I think that's fine.
1:04:03Because you might as well do that.
1:04:04Because I haven't got any news to make, but what I say is likely to make as much news as anything else.
1:04:10In other words, the fact that I volunteer will indicate I don't think it's going to be a lot of news.
1:04:15If they do ask me, I'll just say yes.
1:04:16You have to do that.
1:04:17Can't you just understand that the Justice Department is going to be covering that in the near future?
1:04:23Right.
1:04:24You don't have to know what day you're going to have someone.
1:04:27Right.
1:04:27It's in the near future, and it's that actor who's involved.
1:04:30It's awfully hard to...
1:04:32It may be better if I was right, but you'd be disassociated with a determination as to whether or not to call a grand jury.
1:04:39You say yes, I understand you're going to do it, then it's going to be the president who announces no grand jury.
1:04:47Well, wouldn't it be well to have this come after my president?
1:04:53I could simply say that it should come the next day, and it'll be a story, but it comes for Saturday papers.
1:04:59Why don't you put it out on Saturday?
1:05:02Put it out Friday for the Saturday paper.
1:05:04Yeah.
1:05:04I'm going to ask you about it anyway.
1:05:07They haven't so far.
1:05:08If they do, I don't know.
1:05:10I understand the justice department is trying to make a decision on this show.
1:05:18Well, if there's no story breaking this week to cover this, I think we should put it out on late Friday for the Saturday paper.
1:05:25Don't put it out before Thursday.
1:05:27Do the fact that it does come out before Thursday, then they're asking about it.
1:05:31And I heard her hand you just put it out.
1:05:32They don't ask everybody to put it out before a proctor or something.
1:05:41Yeah.
1:05:41Put it in the same story or put it out in justice.
1:05:46Yeah.
1:05:47Just get overridden by the president.
1:05:49Well, that's what I was looking for.
1:05:52Fine, fine.
1:05:52But if they do ask for a proctor, then I'll say it's a good thing to say that it's coming down.
1:05:59Ok, can somebody...
1:06:10Your emergency employment funds.
1:06:38Somebody told me that you put out a directive that all the 20% of the discretionary grants should be spent in California.
1:06:44Most of them.
1:06:46Because not all of them.
1:06:49No.
1:06:49We actually said we're in the key states.
1:06:52But most in California do to the fact that 90% of the FTA, when you get to the tunnel unemployment areas, you put 20% of all of it, that would be by letting the little congressmen
1:07:08Somebody's got political considerations in mind.
1:07:12Aerospace and so forth.
1:07:18Well, the story I got was a mandate that all 20% of it go in, and of course you have just holy hell from Illinois and all the rest of it.
1:07:29I got to put most of it there, I'm sure you know, because that's where you've got the heaviest, the heaviest instance of unaccounting.
1:07:36You had it a lot in terms of the... Don't put too much into Washington.
1:07:45As long as somebody's got control of it.
1:07:49As long as they don't waste it, put it in the right place.
1:08:12The main thing about there is to follow up early in some cases, and to follow up to be sure of what we've done today, and he is our go-on, and we do our best to follow up.
1:08:57George is making a 3D portion from Taiwan.
1:09:01Don't doubt that, buddy.
1:09:02He's not gonna stop now.
1:09:04It's $80,000 a year plus $20,000 in expenses.
1:13:26Another political subject, Mr. President, that I hope you're going to have a memorandum coming in here on textiles.
1:13:34And I hope that you will read the short one-page memorandum that I've written on the subject matter.
1:13:42Because this is screwed up at the State Department, and this one and that one and the next one, and I...
1:13:50And I feel more strongly about the potential of you being impotent in connection with this now than I do of the political mass nation.
1:13:59Although they're all opting on the other side of the fence.
1:14:02They're all saying this is going to hurt Japan and this is going to hurt your trip to China and all the rest of it.
1:14:07I think it's just the other way around.
1:14:10These little Orientals can sit over there and defy you for two years on this subject matter.
1:14:17Särskilt etter de letterer og kommunikasjoner som Kennedy tog om.
1:14:21De kan ta og sitte på deres hår, og jeg er sikker på at PRC-mennene vet hva som sker.
1:14:28Det ser ut som om du er impotent til å behandle Sydkorea, Taiwan og Hongkong.
1:14:34Hvilken sida er det?
1:14:35Jeg vet hvor sida Stetson er, men hvilken sida er det?
1:14:38Jeg tror han er på siden av doing the right thing.
1:14:41Jeg tror han er på siden av doing the right thing.
1:14:44Well, I shouldn't put it that way.
1:14:46There are always...
1:14:47He's been pulled and hauled.
1:14:48He's been pulled and hauled, and also there are potential complications in connection with it, but I think that this is such a big fight.
1:14:56Furthermore, after reading all the cables and everything else, I'm absolutely convinced that the Japs know that this subject matter has to be handled, it's got to be resolved, and that they don't want to take the initiative on it, but they'd like to have it imposed upon them and get it off the way.
1:15:14No, we have let National Security Council close.
1:15:20There's a legal opinion that everybody agrees on.
1:15:23Well, what the hell, why aren't they going to impose it then, are they?
1:15:26Well, because I thought you couldn't do that unless all the other nations agreed.
1:15:29No, that was another part of the trade bill, where if you got this trade, you compose it on one nation.
1:15:36You compose it on anybody you want after findings, and of course you've got them in the textile field.
1:15:43You know, the industry is the largest employer in the country, and it's in economic straits and so forth.
1:15:49Well, this is all in your memorandum, but it's perfectly legal to do so.
1:15:57Sure, I'll look at it.
1:16:00I'll take a hard look, don't worry.
1:16:08Sure, I will, but that's what should be done.
1:16:14We just can't get to be a second or third class economic power by giving them all the cards to play with.
1:16:24As you have said time and time again.
1:16:26Yes, all that.
1:16:31Has it been arranged for Gurney to come in and see the president and present that picture?
1:16:37He presented it?
1:16:38Did he?
1:16:39Last week?
1:16:40Wasn't Gurney in the Congress on that fire last week?
1:16:43He was on the list.
1:16:44No, he wasn't.
1:16:46He's been on the list.
1:16:47He was invited by the senators for an eye-opening event.
1:16:51Why doesn't the pictures he's on the list come out this summer?
1:16:54I don't know, that is the point.
1:16:56The point is that there are stories all over the Florida newspapers that he's at odds with the White House, and the staff is putting out the stories and confirming them, if you've seen any of that.
1:17:10Yeah.
1:17:11I think we've got to straighten him out because...
1:17:34You've got to hold that part of the situation to go.
1:17:38What is your problem?
1:17:39What is your problem?
1:17:41The White House has two government parties, one to Ohio and one to South Point instead of Florida.
1:17:46Well, that is true.
1:17:48That's tough.
1:17:52Well, it's the quoting of the White House aides that you've noted.
1:17:55Yeah.
1:18:03The aides to the president said whoever was in disfavor and would remain there until the chief executive was reassured that the law had been given to Christ.
1:18:11Who the hell would put out such a bad thing as that?
1:18:14That somebody had it?
1:18:15Especially the Miami Aide.
1:18:18Yeah.
1:18:18Well, I'll get it then.
1:18:23I'm going to do the thing.
1:18:24He was surprised a little bit.
1:18:26I can't.
1:18:26Because this Clark thing seems to be coming along pretty good.
1:18:28Get it in as soon as he can.
1:18:29And that we just aren't going to have that sort of thing.
1:18:31He was pressed with something.
1:18:34I can't appreciate it.
1:18:34What the hell was that?
1:18:36Bill's name.
1:18:37He was hit with some Bill's name on this thing.
1:18:56On the Teamsters, we have got Mr. Fitzsimmons, where he is now the Teamster president, which worked just the way it should have been.
1:19:08Vis-a-vis Mr. Hoffa, we got Mr. Hoffa out of the business.
1:19:12We're having a little trouble with the Teamsters in our transportation.
1:19:18deregulation act, but I think we could pull back on that.
1:19:23I'm having Peter Flanagan meet with Fitzsimmons to explain it to him next week, and then I will meet Fitzsimmons after that.
1:19:33I think we may get down to a question as to whether or not if the parole board doesn't act on Hoppe's parole, as to whether or not when
1:19:45and on what conditions we should give Hoppe part for Teamsters support.
1:19:51I'm not sure that that's necessary, but it may be.
1:19:59We all know that Hoppe probably controls more of the rank and file of the Teamsters than Fitzsimmons does now.
1:20:06The question is, do we want to leave Hoppe where he is and go with what Fitzsimmons can deliver?
1:20:13Or do we want to talk about down the line, sometimes, whatever conditions, circumstances?
1:20:20We might want to come up with a pardon.
1:20:23Or do you want me to indict him again?
1:20:26Well, that's the only time.
1:20:27The majority of them are Democrats, and I'm afraid that they're not going to get any parole.
1:20:32I don't know.
1:20:42I think we've got it pretty well postured where they may, if I had to guess, I guess they would.
1:20:48Because he is now going to be president.
1:20:52That's correct.
1:20:53They're questioning about his salary and so forth, but I think we've got that postured.
1:21:00And what I want to do is to...
1:21:04I want to talk to Fitzsimmons and get all the benefits out of it before the parole board acts.
1:21:13In other words, if we can tell Fitzsimmons that this is the game plan and Jimmy Heston should know about it and come out and support us, we're the backup in case anything happens to the parole board.
1:21:24We'll be getting the credits of the parole board.
1:21:26Of course, we'll take the credit if the parole board does it, but they know damn well that we can't control them.
1:21:36Now, there's of course a lot of pros and cons on this.
1:21:40Yes, sir.
1:21:42Public is against Hoffa.
1:21:43Teamsters are opposed to the law of the forest.
1:21:46That's about the size of it, although it's amazing the number of people like Barry Goldwater and the rest of them have interceded on behalf of Hoffa.
1:21:54The real reason Bill Lowe left you is because of China.
1:21:57No, it's because of Hoffa.
1:22:00If you pulled the plug on China, you'd have Bill Lowe back in about 37 seconds.
1:22:04If you want him back in about 32.
1:22:06He'll come back in when he's done.
1:22:10Well, I don't know.
1:22:20The difficulty with it is not practically letting Hoffa off.
1:22:23The difficulty is that it smacks of a political deal.
1:22:29And then his support becomes something that they just beat you over the head with in a campaign.
1:22:35That's what concerns me.
1:22:36I agree.
1:22:37I decline to play for Simmons and let nature take its course on Hoffa.
1:22:42All right.
1:22:43Well, I'm not sure.
1:22:44Well, that of course is a safe course.
1:22:49And I'm not sure that Pete Simmons wants to hop out.
1:22:55I know he did want him out until after the 3rd of July.
1:22:58I know that damn well.
1:23:00He won that.
1:23:01We've won that battle.
1:23:02Why don't you have Frank talk with Fitzsimmons and say, you know, without talking all around, that you could be on both sides of it, since you don't know what I think.
1:23:12We want you to best advise us on what you do, and tell them it's a hell of a problem, and let it fall off.
1:23:17That you keep it in absolute confidence, and forget the conversation that took place about that.
1:23:23That's just great, except that every time I have one of those conferences with them, I get a memorandum back from the FBI about what I told them.
1:23:31Really?
1:23:31A couple of times.
1:23:33Until I showed him one of them, he got scared as hell.
1:23:36Because he didn't know who was leaking it, and I'm not sure I know who was leaking it either.
1:23:44One last subject, Mr. President.
1:23:46I'm getting a hell of a lot of complaints because you're not going to the American Legion.
1:23:50You're going to the Veterans of Foreign Wars, and I don't know anything about it.
1:23:53What answers do I get?
1:23:54You're going to the American Legion next year.
1:23:57You did that this year, and you're doing that convention next year.
1:24:02See, I believe that.
1:24:02We've got to gracefully give up on company.
1:24:05They just don't want company.
1:24:07They want Bill Rogers.
1:24:08If you can get on, you and I, we've just got to get Bill Rogers on.
1:24:13Great.
1:24:14I appreciate that a lot.
1:24:17But I do one better carbonization each year.
1:24:21So I'm going to do a BMW in Dallas this year.
1:24:25The American Legion is in Houston this year.
1:24:26I don't want to go to Texas twice in a week's time.
1:24:31It's a bad, but I'm going to do, I'm not going to do the DFW next year, I am going to do the Legion next year.
1:24:38This is the following of the president of the commanders, California, and he's pushing hard, and they're naturally going to push, but he hasn't, the president saw him, I saw him, so that's what we're trying to do, but it is really, and they're concerned, because I was supposed to do them last year, and didn't, you know, the Portland thing.
1:24:58Matter of fact, we turned it around.
1:24:59We probably should have done it the other way.
1:25:01I should have done the Legion this year and the FW next year.
1:25:04But we didn't do it that way.
1:25:06We have Dick Deloach and Johnson putting a real tight political organization together in here.
1:25:13You know, Deloach has done a lot of stuff with the FW.
1:25:16Oh, I know.
1:25:17He's a big deal.
1:25:20Well, we'll do it after the election year.
1:25:23I'll do that.
1:25:25It's probably not a good tent.
1:25:26You don't think we should reconsider a new boat this year and a new leader next year?
1:25:29And I'm not sure doing the veterans organization is too hot myself.
1:25:35It's an election year.
1:25:36Really?
1:25:36I think you've got to be one.
1:25:40Well, I guess you want to reserve that option.
1:25:43The weather will do it, not instead of...
1:25:45Instead of getting off the hook by saying you'll do the legion next year.
1:25:48No, we've agreed to do the legion.
1:25:52If I don't do the legion, I've got to do the legion next year.
1:25:55I've agreed to do that.
1:25:57But we could move it up to this year if you want to go.
1:26:02Get the damn thing out of the way.
1:26:08They know you're not coming.
1:26:09Who's after you?
1:26:11Deloach and Johnson and Kendall and
1:26:15Well, same as last year.
1:26:17The legion, people now, and the people who are fighting the convention are back the other way, which is because we suggested Conley.
1:26:29They said they didn't want Conley, they wanted Rogers.
1:26:32They would take Conley if we insisted.
1:26:35That's right.
1:26:35They were a bunch of Rogers because they wanted to be on.
1:26:39Roger is damn good to go to the Legion.
1:26:42He's a veteran.
1:26:43World War II, Pacific, and the rest.
1:26:45And I think that's very good for them.
1:26:50I don't think he's a member of the Legion.
1:26:52I wouldn't be a member of the Legion if I didn't have to.
1:26:58I'd like to tell them that they're such a...
1:27:04They...
1:27:06He's what they want to fight, and Rogers, they're winning half the battle, because they're getting a ton of guys they want, and I said, let's have it, you don't have to buy a cello, I agree with you, but I want you to believe in next year, which is the day for us, and so forth, and of course you have to do it, and you have to have a moment.
1:27:30They'll lobby to draw national events against whoever the Democrats is, and that's the main thing.
1:27:36The issues will be strongly drawn.
1:27:38We can talk more about national events.
1:27:41This is a good year, and I'm sure you'll do better.
1:27:43It's our generation.
1:27:44Tom, we're all out for it.
1:27:46We're going to do plenty of things for the Legion next year.
1:27:50We want to do that.
1:27:51And the idea is that we'd like to have it to a politician like Kendall.
1:27:55We'd like to have it a little closer to the election.
1:27:58Yeah, well, I
1:27:59that I will not do the VFW next year.
1:28:01It's funny how these people are such horrible rivals.
1:28:06Well, and also, it turns out that they think it's a horror struggle within the White House, and the friends within the White House, they point out that
1:28:15Olsen had his office in the Legion.
1:28:17I mean, the veteran's a far away, and he was responsible for this, rather than this one, this, this.
1:28:21Olsen's got one person in the Legion.
1:28:23He's from Larson, and he lives here.
1:28:24Oh, yes.
1:28:24He's from the Legion.
1:28:25And, uh, the chair guy, he doesn't have any slides.
1:28:29He doesn't have any slides.
1:28:31He's from the Legion.
1:28:33Well, he's from both.
1:28:35The question is, who's more important, the Legion, or the Legion?
1:28:39As the election team is a matter of time, the VFW has to be out of the way this time.
1:28:45They all want to do everything, but I can't overdo that.
1:28:49And doing it this year wouldn't get you out of next year?
1:28:53No, that's right.
1:28:53I'm sorry, I said we're going to do you this year, but I'm not going to do you next year.
1:29:00And it is the way to get out of one next year, and next year you can put the vice-presidential candidate into the VFW.
1:29:08That's the way you do it.
1:29:09It's always the way.
1:29:11I mean, one should do one, and one should do the other.
1:29:13That's the whole deal, always.
1:29:16And I'll do it.
1:30:00plus we can pull up some of the strings we've got on, which, is there anything we can pull out?
1:30:05We're trying now to talk to them through this, social advisors, friends, to see if we have any places or not to start pulling on these tax jail cases and things like that, to see if that has any effect.
1:30:24But I just, like I said, is pulling all these kind of, you know,
1:30:30Well, I wish you could, John.
1:30:33Get him out of there now.
1:30:35I would agree.
1:30:35I would, John.
1:30:37Try it.
1:30:37You must have something on him.
1:30:40Yes.
1:30:41It'll be a problem.
1:30:42Prove it.
1:30:42That's always the case.
1:30:46Okay.
1:30:47We'll get McCarthy in it now.
1:30:50Can you do that?
1:30:52Who?
1:30:52McCarthy.
1:30:53Oh, yes.
1:30:53I let her... Shirley Chisholm or whatever her name was.
1:30:57Oh, yes.

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