Nixon, Haldeman & Sanchez on Staffing and Personnel and Salary Management

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Here's his deal.

But, oh yeah, the purpose is not, if I can strongly urge not to.

The purpose is to pick out, if they will,

I mean, I'm not interested in the debate.

I'm not interested in the department.

What can we do to encourage any of those things?

Manolo.

No, this is better than the other day, yeah.

There is a debate going on in our hands as fighters and other projects that we have on that.

And John said it's not true.

Now, I asked him about the chapter and verse.

Can we come to it?

Yeah.

I don't know what you're saying.

I will say this is all right, but I also know he can't be on the water all right.

And the environmentalists, of course, just say, well, there's nothing to it.

I don't want them to give you that answer.

I want to know what they can do here to shake some of this stuff loose, you see.

Okay.

We'll look at it.

Good.

Thank you.

Great.

I've never been there.

It's a beautiful park.

Everybody says it's a kid's park.

Yeah, I know.

I heard that.

It's a place to stay, I think.

Except for mom and dad.

I think so, yeah.

That's what we were talking about.

That was one of the ones Maskey, uh, uh, Mansfield, Mansfield was talking about.

Is there any, any, uh, well, it's, I think probably, it's probably a lot.

They were just completely, there was no question.

He said, what was best, they all said, Glacier Park.

And what does that really seem like?

They said there weren't so many people.

Yeah, it all seems probably crowded.

Let's see.

Do you know what they're gonna say?

This isn't a talk or not.

I don't know.

I think it would be good if they'd throw along gifts and everything.

I wonder if perhaps

Leonard or somebody wants to go on her trip to get a, but I'm thinking of getting a fold-in for the National Committee building her up, you know what I mean?

So that they can get her for a letter.

You see what I'm getting at?

Yeah.

I wonder, could we have a photographer, do we send a photographer on trips or not?

Yeah.

Let's see.

I think we should at this time.

I think if we can get her to

If she gets a good play, it will give her an idea of doing more of it.

It has to be done in ways that are effective and so forth.

I spoke to you before about the possibility of having that.

You know, a Harry Dent type of other stuff.

I guess the majority didn't want you to be an idea.

How did we, though, in effect, done that?

And should they get together?

I was thinking Harry Dent, in a sense, covers the South.

Lee Nunn is sort of the Midwestern guy, I was thinking.

Somewhat, yeah.

Although he's working.

John's working to...

towards putting that kind of thing together.

I think, yeah, it is really good to have somebody who really has sort of a responsibility for those for a certain number of states and just constantly holds their hands and talks to them.

You know, I think, for example, somebody for the New England states, somebody for the Midwest, somebody for the Mountain states, and somebody for the National.

What about that?

What the hell was that thing that you spoke about, about gurney?

Some quote from a way out of Star Trek or something.

Is that possible?

Is anybody aware of that?

Yeah, I'm sure it is.

I think we can do it like this.

It started from pulsing to talking about predating.

He wants to get along with us.

I don't mind talking about why they had to give them that paper is what I can't figure out.

Well, it's probably some word of it.

I can't find out where that is.

You can mention that the senator's AA or something calls and says, Jesus, why can't the senator get in?

And somebody over here says, well, you start playing ball with us and we'll start playing ball with you.

And so the AA goes out and says, I've been told by the White House that the senator can't get in unless he plays ball.

Well, Gurney voted all right.

It's a problem.

It's not his vote of right sometimes.

Okay.

But he voted wrong, and that was for the veto override.

Also, Gurney may be bumming out on himself because Gurney is a... Richard.

Is a bitch and super rich.

Yeah.

And that Ian Miller, he may stir it up just for his own purposes.

He's not very smart.

He would have a chance to oversee getting in for his picture.

Yeah, he was down to be in on that last go around and then at a boat or something he had a scratch, which happens all the time.

Yeah, and we'll get him on the next shot.

On the

Julie Robinson question.

And when we are all set to go ahead and do whatever you want to do, it does tie into she works.

And there's no way to do it without tying in what we're doing and we've got to work in a way through her.

And we just don't want her to raise any questions about it.

And through Helen Smith, who, Helen Smith is the one that she works with.

Helen Smith is a head of press guy.

And she makes $16,000.

This guy makes, Julie Robinson makes $12,000.

And there's another girl who works directly with him, Annie Adams, who also makes the same salary.

And the problem you've got is that Julie's no better than any of the rest of the bunch in there, except that she gets along with Pat, which is a very, she makes a hell of a deal.

So does Alice Smith, I understand that.

I have understood that.

And the problem with her is that she's,

been married, is a widow, was about, up until a couple months ago, was about to get married again, and then that fell through and she had just gone out and she sold her house and bought a new house to move in with her new husband.

And she doesn't see him anymore.

She's a loose end now.

And that's where the problem arises.

She's kind of trying to decide what to do.

And

Probably what they're concerned about is raising her without raising any of the other gals.

And if we move in, or if Congress arbitrarily does this, it's going to create a stir in that office.

They all know what everybody else gets in there.

They find out.

It may be worth one.

If she gets along with Pat, Pat wants to have more dough, she considers it extremely important.

Give her more dough.

That's the point.

You don't have to raise everybody because they happen to be in the same thing.

It just happens.

She gets along with her extremely well.

If you pull her out of the GS scale, just give her...

Probably we gotta just give her a couple thousand dollars more and then give her another couple thousand, couple dollars a little later.

Just give her a couple thousand more and see what happens.

Try to keep her happy.

If we're going to be able to do something on Connie, where does, where does, where does, where does, where does Connie and Lucy, they make the same amount, what do they make?

Lucy makes 25, Connie makes 30.

And Connie makes 27.5 to 30.

Which is ridiculous.

Too high.

Yeah, it is too high.

It's too high for her.

It's just ridiculous.

The argument is comparability.

The same old stuff.

It is ridiculous, isn't it?

Lucy and, uh, that was set up when the other girl was here.

That other one, well, that other one made the same as Lucy.

They both paid $25,000.

They were going to bring one in to head up the whole place, and $30,000 was that she had to be paid more, and also Pat went in.

As I understand it, one higher paid than an officer.

I think, I don't think you have to care.

I think she gets this too high.

I think that's a question.

Maybe you should just talk to Pat about it.

Tell her what the amounts are.

And does she want to raise the others?

Tell her what Helen Smith gets.

What Julie Robinson gets.

Okay.

What Penny gets.

So now we can ship the whole bunch.

Or none.

I mean, or Julie outside the deal.

Another thing you could do would be to put her on the page.

All set on our trip next week.

Great to see you.

They certainly didn't intervene very much with the Wyoming part of it.

Yeah.

I'm sorry, no, I'm not kidding.

I just thought that period was good.

But, yes, we might have to do that.

Nixon, Haldeman & Sanchez on Staffing and Personnel and Salary Management

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