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And his mother is 80 years old.

I want you to have the first, say, church service in September, have Graham invite him, see what the date for him, you know, for the rest, actually for a year, and I want to invite her to that service.

Also, tell him that he can invite you, you know, give us a listing.

130 people that he'd like to have, various people.

I want him to do it because I want her to come and hear her son.

So ask him what day he can come.

And we'll invite her on that day.

He can give us a list of some of his other people that would mean something to him.

I don't care how many come, 40, 50, you know, he's got it.

And members of his staff.

he has a right and he says he's just damn good that he can't he says he well i'm not so sure he's so i want to let yesterday's study and get back to him and say you said you'd do anything to be sure you know

A lot of times here, all you can do is let us get a dose of that, right?

And I think he might do it.

He's quiet.

Where's he at?

Probably in the bed.

That's right.

That's where the bushes are going.

The only man who really doesn't believe in the environment as much as I don't believe in it, he said he's funny.

I should give him the standards memorandum in his relationship with the business community that I'd like for him to follow and put it around that.

One by one and get it done.

Isn't that the best way to put it?

If you put it in the domestic council, it would just sink there without a sweat.

They could say, you know, they'll write it in a paper and it'll fool around and fart around and so forth.

But I want a one-man response.

I'll get money to get that number right.

And I think we ought to follow through on what we ought to do.

That's the right man.

Probably.

You know, he's always getting the bitches.

Yeah.

And he's disinterested.

He doesn't believe in the environment.

So we're all together up to that point.

You got a secret one?

uh, to, uh, to accomplish your voice in a little context.

Yes.

Okay.

May death be like a day, and death a year, and death a season, and death a year.

Do you know whether that gave you some reception or not?

We asked, and I don't think she did yesterday.

She's leaving today, isn't she?

I think she may be leaving tomorrow, actually, considering what she said.

That's a big day, having a three-day session.

Until then, we'll see.

I don't know.

to get the French from shutting up long enough so that the Russians can make the confessions which are already agreed to.

We have a text that's all agreed to, but we have to go through it.

We're going through the ritual.

We have a script in which the Russians make extreme demands and then yield.

Incidentally, on this thing, when we ran around, Dr. Bell, obviously, and Bill Best would be inviting Billy's mother, you know, say, like, his father-in-law.

So I'm going to be keeping both centers of his staff.

Others are just working on something.

And we'll pick a date in September when it's going to be necessary.

And in September, this is how it's going to be.

You know what I mean?

You know, I was getting to the other side.

What set people off on that?

I don't know where the hell that is over there.

I was staring at the computer saying, Bobby, I don't know how to find out about it.

I don't get it.

No.

Helen Thomas is a very great story.

And she talked about it.

And the only thing I said clearly is that I wouldn't use the fact that I'm supposed to use it because I've never done that at all.

I've never done it either.

And he said you said he didn't know.

He said he didn't know.

I don't want to say if I do use it, except that I don't want you to call it a lie.

No, he quite specifically said you had not used it, and he did not know.

He didn't say he wouldn't use it.

He said you had not, and he didn't know whether you would.

Presumably he did.

I don't know.

Well, probably at this point, I wouldn't believe it.

Well, not to let him get cheap shots like that.

I agree.

I haven't contributed, so I wouldn't.

You know, that's bullshit.

But that's what they did, though, for example, with the bullying.

And God damn, something cool was created.

Things of that sort, you know what I mean?

I think it's perfectly proper for them to have it.

You know, I think it's great.

All they did is as part of the help.

Yeah.

Because they moved the help in.

You know, we moved out of the house over to the UOB.

Set it up.

Just run it.

After the Shirley guy got all cranked up about it, Ron took a couple of press people over and showed them so there wouldn't be a big myth built up.

And they were just dumbfounded.

Because it's a little teeny-moly.

That's right.

It's very, uh...

It's a, you know, a simple, pathetic little thing that, uh...

They got all excited about it.

I know it's pathetic.

I don't think it's a big story, Bob.

No.

You get a lot of other people working on it.

That's what you got with...

He's trying to pick up the gross role as the watchdog kind of guy, you know.

He's making himself disturbed.

I don't think he's going to handle it all right.

Just don't.

He was the one who couldn't handle it right, I think, is the point we got to.

We are very careful, and we don't reserve that kind of a shot at sex, so I just wouldn't let our people, you know, don't let us do anything that's going to be, we can be open to that sort of criticism, you know, so I mean, just be extremely careful.

Just get employed, and people that can't have, you know, a huge expenditure of money at a time when they're in a $180 deficit, and they wonder, what the Christ are we doing, you know?

She wrote a story, and then she, they came down.

Well, the story must have been pretty bad then.

It wouldn't have come down.

No.

They, she wrote a story, and they asked for the cost figures.

They saw the story.

That was the basic error was not giving them the cost.

Actually, we didn't have any cost figures because it, you know, it's the thing you can cost out.

But they should have made some up and just given them some figures.

They asked the cost for years, didn't get it, and that's when they decided to make a big fuss about it.

Who was it besides us?

The swimming pool and other installations were.

Well, that was one point not made.

There was a facility that was taken and it wasn't used.

That was only in one sentence.

You see, Bob, we had no credit for Saul getting rid of the boats, and no credit for the tourists, and getting the first seats with Saul, which, of course, your man could.

Getting rid of the swimming pool, and the sauna bath, and all that sort of thing.

And, uh, probably to watch those things, Bob, is more close to yourself rather than leaving if you're wrong.

I mean, he's all right, but I may not, the point is that you may not see the, see the...

Well, what I'm getting at is you can't let Ron get caught at this late date in Helen Price.

It's like, you know, slamming the barn door after the horse is gone.

This one wasn't really Ron.

It was some congressional guys getting caught at it because they didn't know what the story was.

Because it was a story before it got to Ron.

And I'll tell the story.

It was handled well.

You know, they wrote the

Disappeared.

There had been one before.

Yeah.

And then it was, you know, just a human being put in for...

It was played very well.

And it was a one-day, very, almost totally ignored story.

One or two weeks, and then these... One thing, Ron, must get off of it, though, because it's the idea that I use it.

It's all right for people to think the staff is wasting money, but God damn it, they must not think they put in a goddamn rubdown on it for me.

I don't use it, you know, I don't.

And even if I did, it shouldn't be known.

Why did I make steps?

The president's got to be above that kind of picking up stuff.

And that was in the short story of the day.

Don't you agree?

Yep.

attack by using it.

On the other hand, we've got a bad story.

I guess that's what the White House did.

I don't think there's any need.

We've got our answer to press notes.

There's a temptation now to start counterattacking the gyms that the House members have with those costs and all that kind of stuff.

They are gymnasiums.

Why do we?

And they should have them.

They need them.

and masseurs and all this stuff, you know, lined up.

What?

That they have all masseurs and all kinds of facilities, swimming pools and everything else.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

It's the wrong size.

I've never used a masseur.

I want him to be sure that they don't think I have a goddamn masseur on the White House stand.

I've never used one in my life.

I can't stand people.

We have to pay for him anyway.

He's free.

Thank you so much, sir.

They've got a guy there to run the unit, and they charge for a run of them.

Look, I think it's perfectly proper.

I just don't want to, I just want to screw them, that's all.

I think it's perfect.

It ought to be ten times as big maybe, but I just think, I just, I'm talking about the PR, I'm not talking about the marriage at all.

I don't give, I want everybody to have, I wish they had a pool and maybe another thing.

But I think that they certainly deserve it when you consider what people have.

These people work hard and it's a nice place where they can go, you know, get a shower and

They had showers and everything.

All right.

I was thinking, I mean, I gave you some calls to make this quite a bit different.

But the way to do it is you're making us, you know, we fired four pursuers over here when I came in.

You know?

There were four, you know?

We didn't take them, but we'll do the remainder.

At 2 in the daytime, 2 at night in the middle of all the time, I'm using it.

Always.

This is stupid.

Irritation.

I just don't think we deserve it.

We don't.

I just don't think we deserve it.

Because we're going to get them.

No, I know.

We've just got to, we've got to fight a little more.

Fight a little more.

But I don't think so.

I don't think so.

On that extra unit along the same line that you're putting in Camp David, they did go up and see the committee, as I suggested, and the committee approved it.

I don't know how long this is going to be for next year, and for the next president, wherever the hell he is.

The committee approved it, and then Doc, which was a dang good move, because he had never done it before, took the key staff members to the committee up to Camp David, took them on a tour of the camp, showed them the

how the thing was set up.

They had never seen it.

Some of those guys had been on that committee staff for something like 17 years or something, had never had been appropriated money for Camp David all those years.

We were astonished at how, uh, unoptional, you know, when you're away from someplace like that, you create an image in your mind of things that, you know, they were probably out of the swimming pool.

Well, he said they completely got away with that.

They, they, uh,

They did it in a good way.

They took him into the shelter and brought him up by where the swimming pool was.

And instead of there's the pool, this is asking and it went on from there.

And got away with it completely.

John doesn't think we'll have any problem with that.

I mean, that's just part of an ongoing renovation program for the camp that is.

And he pointed out that the other building had to be replaced.

Sir?

To demonstrate that.

crumbling things, and he showed other pipe shippers.

They said to me, you know, can't you, it's a shame to lose these buildings, why don't you rebuild them too?

And John went into the cost of rebuilding and all that, and they said, well, maybe it's better just to let them do it.

They were very much on the positive side of doing more rather than less.

I thought it was very dystopian.

It was the same kind of process you did.

Didn't they?

When did they put that in?

A couple months ago.

A month ago.

Just finished it.

Why did they put a story on the phone box?

I don't know.

I don't think they put it out there.

I think she picked it up somewhere.

Huh?

She picked it up somewhere.

Well, the helicopter was fine.

There was nothing wrong with that.

It was a good story.

Played it down.

Isn't this going to drop after a day?

Sure.

I think most people would think they're amazed that there wasn't one here to begin with.

Well, any honor reporter would put something

but quite as they should have put something up with a huge van or something that they were searching for a lot of computers and things like that.

And what is it?

Just ask the story, as the wire story says, it's a small tub with a whirlpool in it.

Oh, the wire story, yeah.

There's the wire story, and quite as it does, what I add is that I think just the very smallness of it is...

It's a good thing to sort of leave.

I wouldn't let them leave me in France.

It's a huge god damn fear of nations down there.

White house hackers are lazy.

And I'm calling on for going to work.

That's what it is.

I know.

But you see what I mean.

One phrase is tragic.

I'm estimating every two weeks the fighting Frank to say how many of them said it's only a whirlpool.

And the phrase that they've got to create is better.

I'm going to hand it to the best.

It is?

Let's go.

He shot what their whole description of it is totally inaccurate, but press knows it and has written it.

Wrote before.

Ogre Doctor wrote it as a two-way story.

What they said and what the reporters said and saw.

I didn't even see it.

And he went very, you know,

They called it a Roman romper room, and before you saw it, it was a small tub with a little pool inside.

And I wrote it in the massage room.

They wrote down a table, and there's a little exercise room where they get a bicycle and a weightlifting thing.

And a juggling machine.

That, you know, that bowling alley.

He's got a few of his friends here.

The first one.

No, they didn't, you have to understand.

They may have just given him bowling balls, but, you know, that's the way to do that, but you cover it all in a lot of stuff that way.

I guess there's nothing to be known.

I'll tell you though, Holly, I'm glad you're next on the line.

I'm sure that Tom and I should be in touch.

I'll be calling Scott and I'll be in touch with the people and not the president.

That's true.

They're the two worst type guys on the world.

We're going to have to fight to get them to come from them all along.

They're out to make publicity.

Not against us, just in any way they can.

Usually they're for us.

They're the ones that got all cranked up at ACW when they were running those obscenities in their meetings a couple of years ago.

I've used them then.

So that's, I admire them a little.

They're sure to use the gym.

It's a big athlete gym.

I don't know.

That's what I would do.

We ought to get somebody else to get at it.

That's true.

That's a pretty cheap shot.

Well, get some money out to get you there.

And that's what I would do.

I would, without any conviction, worry about it.

Here we use Lansky.

Get him up and have him get a tour of the gym.

It is unbelievable.

Those bastards, they overrun it, you know what I mean?

And the Raver building, I've never seen it.

Oh, Christ, they've got pedal-to-ball, ball-to-ball courts, scorers and the scorers, and everything is just fantastic.

You know, sparking out there all the time, the old bells, particularly, you know, the drums.

And, uh, basically, that's what they have.

Well, they've got several penalties, because they put them each in a new building.

They put three single ones in each new building.

Each one out did the last one.

Instead of the press, I'd actually just get McGregor to get a friendly congressman who, you know, is a supporter of ours.

He gets to come down and take a look.

Would you do that?

So that he, I mean, I'm just trying to get, I'm just trying to keep the, I'd like to just, uh, uh,

that keeps the trade a little loose.

But it's better to have a congressman say it than a member of the press.

It wasn't that crisis all of Sweden was about.

One other thing.

Along the same lines,

It seems to me almost unbelievable that CBS could raise any question about the trip to New Hampshire being political.

I mean, if you go back to Kennedy's travels in 1963, he was in every one of the primary states over and over again.

Johnson was, of course.

And he had to go all the time.

I mean, does it mean that any time you happen to be in a state for any kind of an event without any kind of political plan, you see it's political?

I mean, that should be awfully, awfully hard.

I mean, we can't even choose.

I'm going to have to go to Wisconsin.

Florida is a primary state.

California is a primary state.

Everything we do there, you may not see the consequences of this kind of an attack.

You see, Ohio is a primary state.

Pennsylvania is a primary state now.

You see?

I got that if you can't go out with an answer, stop at the airport and go on over to do the deal with the rest, that's a kind of a shot that will not go away.

That's a different kind of shot altogether, a different kind of game.

And I think we can really put what you're getting on that.

Of course, it was mud.

It was mud, and it was a very light brush.

I think we got it.

That's it.

It says that he had a person in time, too.

He had a person in time on their travel.

He had Roosevelt on his base.

But I think you're right.

What I'm saying is, I know most states are primary states.

That's my point.

How the hell can you go anyplace?

Do you just batten down or pay for it every time you go anyplace?

It's not a candidate.

You've got to tell our government that we're going to go anyplace.

We're not going to have a paper about a bad thing.

We should.

Just so they do.

We've got to go in.

And to be in the office, of course, it's going to affect the election.

I'll make the point you were coming, but Senator Jenkins.

That's the point.

And it may, Christ's sake, should get the Democratic governor up.

Senator Aguilar, that's another thing.

Well, it's not a, this is what I think, there's a more long-range challenge, because I just don't want them.

It doesn't build on something either.

Well, there's only, yeah, but there will be.

I know that we hit it.

We hit it so that our side gets hit.

That's right.

You're as effective as hell.

You're as effective as political blood.

And you yourself are going to get a free shot at something like that.

I know, but it took them a while.

It took them like two days.

There's somebody who got

and then we're at St. Joe Linux to get away with this kind of thing.

I'm amazed we didn't get hit harder, but I think we got to get them back.

I went on that again.

I got to go to the nursing home.

That was the new program for nursing homes.

You went to a nursing home and an inspection tour.

You've been going on inspection tours all the time you've been in it.

I didn't say one or not in that political thing when I was there.

I mean, I introduced it in the press and talked about the whole thing.

I don't know.

There was no word of political construction.

Now, it depends on how you define it.

Obviously, every trip you take is political.

Everything you do is political.

I understand.

Look, I know what we're doing.

I just want our people to fight intelligently on these things.

And Brown does very well.

Thank you.

They are in a gym.

One, keep me out of it.

I don't use it.

They don't.

So they have a wash-off on me that they put in a goddamn gym so that I can get out for a massage.

Probably 1% of the people of the United States know what a goddamn massage is.

81%.

You see, it's rich man stuff.

So the president spent $40,000 so he could get a massage.

They say, I don't want them to start to play this off, though, as if this was played for my use.

Right.

It hasn't been.

I would like to play it the other way, to play this for staff, but it's the fact that they're trying to play it that it's, you know, for such a small group as that.

Yeah.

Just that at least they found the person.

Well, this one story, I guess, was... Yeah.

Somebody said, I don't know who said it.

They didn't say it.

Don't let it, don't let it rub off on you.

Henry, did you, uh, did you happen to see Dominic's debate on the Today Show?

I didn't see the broadcast.

I thought it was in the middle of the summer.

Yes.

Dominic, is it good for her?

Christ's sakes.

I didn't think so.

I agree.

Now, he really ought to resign now.

I agree.

Well, then you could understand it's going on the record once.

But he hasn't stopped.

But he's so stupid, I think he's a mad ass when he opposes one.

No, it's not because he's hurt.

Because he is the third man in charge.

He's not going to get anything.

I think we've just got to punish that son of a bitch.

And I, this is one time, one time that you've got to have discipline in the administration.

Don't say anything about it, but I understand, I don't want McGregor to come in here and say, I want to know Peter's art of writing, and after all he is, I'm hearing there's many of you that don't make a stop to me.

I want to be with Senators separately.

I want to be with those that are running for office, will have it done without him, and without Tony.

Now that's one thing you can do quite soon.

Have the senators down.

Because he just doesn't.

They're just a bunch of people.

And, uh...

But it's a typical, it's a typical memory where the Democrats are just silent as hell.

When you hear God and power and all of our assholes, uh, going out of their way.

Although it counts us with the Chinese, thank God.

It doesn't have a split in here.

Now, tell her.

Tell her.

I don't know, I read last night the Redston interview, and that son of a bitch is the most treasonable bastard.

I don't know whether you read the words.

He said, Redston, yesterday, in the verbatim, Joe in light says the president is very courageous.

Redston says, no, he hasn't got any courage.

Truen Lai says, no, he has had great courage.

He did this against a lot of opposition.

Raxton says, he didn't go far enough.

He doesn't get us out of Vietnam fast enough.

Truen Lai says, everything in its time.

If you printed that interview without somebody, it is unbelievable.

Kitten said he deceived you, didn't you?

Didn't he, about the UN thing?

Raxton says, Truen Lai says, I will not discuss my conversations with Kitten, which in effect means he didn't deceive me.

True in life, if we have something to complain about, we do it, but I will not discuss my conversations with kids.

But they did deceive you, didn't they?

But in a foreign country... Reston is the children of...

I think there's one thing I want to tell you.

We have absolute understanding.

Reston, when you return, we want to talk to you.

I don't want to do it.

I couldn't agree more.

That man is a swine.

The president of his country.

I agree.

We are not returning their calls.

But the son of a bitch, it isn't just the damage he's doing to you.

Breston says the Taiwan problem can take some time.

The Taiwan problem can take some time.

He plays it exactly the way we agree.

Breston says, no, the president has no courage.

If he had any courage, he'd settle it now.

Now imagine what the hardliners in Peking must be saying to Zhou Enlai.

One of the leading American columnists tells him things that he didn't get enough out of us.

When you say this in a foreign country... That's why the Australians, you see, was... That's right.

I hadn't read it carefully at that time.

It is disgraceful.

Oh, it's disgraceful.

He makes long speeches.

The arrogance he treats true as if he were a principal.

That's the way he treats everybody.

He treats everybody.

Remember now, you're enforcers.

Nobody from the New York Times, I mean nobody on anything, is ever getting into this White House again, except for those countries.

No call is ever being returned again.

Now, that includes everybody.

There's only one exception.

That's David on the economic side.

And nobody but David.

Is that clear?

He is the only one at all, period.

That's it.

And it wasn't for a religious guy.

I got him.

Or he was a nurse.

And he probably isn't a New York Times man anyway.

But I must say, I found that actually it helped you with...

Well, it helps you with any halfway fair-minded reader that drew in lies defending you against this treasonable bastard.

That is really treasonable, isn't it?

Oh, it sure is.

Look, rest of the purpose was badly served.

That's why he was after me.

There's all the play out of this story.

It's got an enormous news play.

It's favorable.

It's in the other way, because they've all picked up on what I want to say.

The news stories are magnificent.

But that makes it all the more remarkable.

And he gave him the lead.

It's really disgraceful.

I'm not sad.

Oh, sure.

I want to get a permit.

I mean, I'm not interested in that.

Not necessarily.

He might very much like it.

No.

I don't think all this stuff.

Okay.

I think.

You agree or disagree?

I disagree.

Because I think Bill's great just to be a part of it and show as a part of it.

And I think that he kind of wants to take on it.

Well, people want their own life.

Well, anyway, why don't you just have maybe a good candidate.

He's the only one that you've got to have the guts to, you know, the incisiveness to read that and know what to write.

I mean, I just say this is a... For what purpose?

Then the most effective one you can get is still running.

You won't do it, Bob, because you will not win.

I want this to be written in anger, not sorrow.

This is not a patty game thing.

You're Scotty, I can't understand it.

You're only going to get it if there's one that says it.

It's written where it lays out that this was not worthy of an American correspondent.

Besides, it will lead to a debate.

It will lead to a debate between Rogers and Dresden about why we can't give up terror.

You see, Rogers is also going to sign it.

Oh, well, it is worthy of a sign.

I didn't give it that.

Just to...

Maybe a businessman.

Some respected establishment figure out of New York.

That's it.

You need something like a David Rutherford, a Floyd Hyatt.

You know, something like that.

Okay.

It's not terribly important.

It keeps it a little loose and green.

I like it.

the most yellow journals would sit in a president's office and start running down for publication as prime minister.

And this is an ally.

It really is true.

I mean, here you're going into a delicate discussion and the bastard goes beyond what the Chinese are asking of us.

Asking them to demand more and saying you haven't got any courage because you don't give them what they haven't even asked for.

I mean, it's a thing to launch an attack on.

I mean, should the New York Times be allowed any further passports?

The New York Times could be turned loose on the premiers of the world to say things like, well, maybe if you want to get a good letter in the New York Times.

I was thinking it would be a bit personal.

Get a senator.

Oh, get something on the op-ed page.

Oh.

You know, that Senator Conner said, well, I want you to figure it out.

And I think the only one that's got the intelligence to write it is Buchanan.

One of the intelligence in the field.

Maybe somebody else.

Maybe he doesn't think it's... No, that's probably, that's not it.

You can talk about it.

It's just like in the interview.

Oh, yeah.

There's no subtlety at all.

Cho says his president showed great courage.

Dresden says no courage.

He's got no courage.

He showed great courage in doing this.

Well, he says he lacks the ultimate boldness.

He won't stop the killing in Vietnam.

Jesus Christ.

Ultimate boldness.

And so Joe says Vietnam is a tragedy.

Well, you know, that's a mild thing to say.

Of course, in a long speech, we in the New York Times turned the Vietnam policy around.

What?

Yeah.

Does he really?

Yeah.

Oh, he's not suffering from excessive humility.

Do you think he affected Zhou Enlai's experience?

No, but it makes it tough for Zhou Enlai, who has his own opposition, when the leading American columnist says that they're not asking for enough, that we deceived them on the UN.

Well, that they know isn't true.

Then you don't have the courage to go whole hog.

One thing we're going to do is cut the New York Times off the trip.

I haven't read the interview.

I read the close of it.

We're very curious.

Joe and I, Rustin says he wants to ask some more questions or something about something or other.

And Joe and I says, no, we can't talk about that now.

But you will, of course, be here with your president, and we could resume that discussion then.

And Rustin said, no, I'll keep an eye on him until he gets here or something.

But once he's here, it's up to you.

some strange thing like that.

Oh, he talked as if he were fully full of show and lie, and as if he were working on the euphoric policy of the Senate.

It was unbelievable.

It was an unbelievable interview.

I'd like a little of that tone to get in the letter box.

And, uh, I don't know, a congressman, a senator, a, uh, forget Rodgers.

He'd never take this on.

In fact, the Australian ambassador called my attention to it, and Chip Boland, whom I saw briefly to get his reaction on Soviet Saints, before I said it.

And who God knows is not a strong man, said it was one of the most outrageous things he'd ever seen.

Boland said it may be a local phenomenon.

A local phenomenon.

Yes.

But he read it and thought it was outrageous.

Orestin heard himself in it.

See, few people read the interviews.

Oh, I never heard of that.

The news stories, which is what I heard, play beautifully, and I told you that in the morning.

The news stories are great, because in a way, it makes what Joe said all the more remarkable.

I don't mean to choke, I didn't take that interview.

I have to arrest the property building right in front of me, sir.

Arab and shit.

But listen, now listen, I can't emphasize too strongly, and I want you to get Saylor, come on, and Scali.

I want Scali to come up and get to us, too, on this.

Under no circumstances did anybody from the New York Times to be seen swamped as high in this office.

The main reason is not the rest of the piece.

The main reason

Is there putting themselves above the law in the Pentagon Papers?

Same thing.

Washington Post.

Clear?

Is that utterly clear?

Or am I not clear?

All right.

The only exception to the airtime is at the table.

And that is the only exception.

Now, there's so many people out there that I can't control some of those.

And I'll talk to you later when we're going to cut those batteries off the headlock and everything.

And that's because...

They're a revolting paper now.

No, it's really, I mean, the way they play their news and their editorials.

But at least editorials, they're entitled to their opinion.

It's sickening.

But that behavior of wrestling in a foreign capital of a country with which we're beginning the most delicate negotiations... You dictate, maybe...

I guess even somebody in your staff might sit down so that we can have a little of a feel of the substance you see here.

He should have said the American people are behind the president or something like that.

To start pissing on your initiative is unbelievable.

Well, he was just trying to prove that if he were president, he would go further.

And that it's a pity that's the New York Times syndrome.

No, no, he was trying to set us on a trip.

Deeper.

He just kills these guys.

He was trying.

No, listen, I think what he was trying to do there, he was much clearer, was to say, well, you shouldn't have been afraid of this guy.

But Mene is helping us.

What Mene said.

What did Mene say?

That's great.

That's terrific.

Number one stuntman, number one stuntman.

Because it makes the Chinese believe that you've done this against top opposition, from both the right and the left.

And...

That's why he's going to go about for other reasons.

I don't care, for example, if Carl Curtis is going to serve, you know, some other person.

Dominic is part of the leadership.

So I think, in terms of the success, I am now absolutely confident.

If you look at what Joe and Lloyd had said to Rexton yesterday, in those terms, the trip can't fail.

Rexton says to him, in effect,

that you have to have diplomatic relations coming out of the trip.

Joe says no.

I don't expect that, and I think it's going to be a long-term problem, and we're going to talk about the Pacific.

Hell, you can talk about... How can you fail talking about the Pacific?

How can you talk about the Pacific?

You just mentioned it.

I just mentioned it to him in person.

On going into the boat...

Yesterday evening.

You mean the Russian thing?

Yeah.

I haven't given them any of the details of that.

I thought I would give the opinion about the possibility of a meeting.

Yes.

The reason I wanted to get you involved was to emphasize that probably ten times as important as he can use the name of the secret, this is the secret.

Now, this means early on,

It means, obviously, Peterson.

Of course, it means scally.

It naturally means ziggler.

But it particularly means, let me say, I don't like to break over the only one.

I'm sure he would be tempted to never mention it to you, right?

Because he's so short.

I don't mention anything.

I don't know what that is, though.

It means John Maxwell, right?

It means Colin, right?

Naturally, if we could mention either of those, we have a code.

He did this job.

No?

What is involved here is that, in essence, the Soviet has replied in a very positive way to the movement over.

And we're starting to meet with the Greenland plan next Tuesday after I'm back from Canada.

The purpose is to set a date, and the date of the meeting we decide upon will be the date of May 20, June 1st.

Yes, sir.

So the Soviet meeting is set.

And, uh, they offered May or June, did they not?

That's right.

So we, that would fit in perfectly then.

I don't mind having it later in May, the better, I think.

I'd say May 25th, May 27th, something like that.

My best, thank you.

If you could even start on May 28th and finish June 3rd or something, that'd be all right.

Do you understand?

Okay.

Because, uh, it's good, John.

Weather's a little better.

Whatever you want, but if they want to release another, that's fine.

Now, uh, do you care at all about coincidences with primaries?

In other words, do you want to look at that?

That's all that's wrong.

I think that's wrong, except for the way it's going to be played.

The California primary is clearly going to be the primary.

It's the first Tuesday of June.

Yeah, but that's what it would be.

I don't know.

I can't believe you didn't know.

That's the thing.

Whether you want to, we ought to at least consider whether you want to rush to the 6th or 8th or the 9th of March.

The early March.

The June 6th.

Well, it's fine.

It's too late.

I think it's a mistake, Mr. President.

When we told the Chinese, we...

The Chinese, after all...

It must be in May.

All right, fine.

We've got to have it in May.

And the other one, you figure March or...

I thought any time in the first 10 days of March.

Then you've got to give it...

The other thing, bernaries, will be... ...March and April.

Well, if you go from... March.

If you go in the first week of March to the campaign that runs into the campaigning in New Hampshire.

Well, the campaign in New Hampshire started all February and part of March.

So we can't say that we're not going to go anyplace.

No, no, that's good.

I mean, it blankets the...

Yeah, but there's some events that are not blanketing the Democratic campaign at one time.

Well, there's also the question of whether you get charged with the cheap shot of trying to, trying to blanket it by taking your trip.

And we should not take it.

You know, I deliberately worked with us.

We would not take either one on the day of the crime.

Correct.

And that's, and, and, and we can say that if we,

If the question is really, you cannot, you can't avoid the whole primary period.

If I was at the committee where Christ is, this is the primary period.

He was there in August.

You understand?

Yeah.

And we can't make any changes.

From the 1st of October on, Jackson's up there now.

That's right.

Well, they're all up there.

Sure.

So you see, we can't just say, well, no, we've got to win.

I agree completely.

Well, the primary's never over.

where it runs all the way through.

Jim, the trip is being decorated at the convention.

It's a trip.

It's actually a trip.

China should be completed before the American primary.

Well, if we go and march first.

But that doesn't...

You'll be home by March 8th.

Can I suggest a date for February 28th?

All right.

I think it's just a little sound.

We'll get back to France one day earlier.

And then, uh, then it looks like we're not going.

Uh, we'll just go on February 28th.

We'll get back.

What day in the week is that?

It's the best week.

You've got a 29th.

Oh, good.

28 is Monday.

That's good.

The answer is primary.

I think it's the 14th of March.

13th of 14th.

Yeah, that's good.

I think, Lord, it's the 21st, so maybe the 7th and the 14th.

That's all right.

You know, the 28th, we don't want to go much earlier than that.

Or do we keep the Chinese on their good behavior until we delay it?

Well, if you look, for example, for a bachelor's, I don't give a damn if it's right on the primary date.

Then how would this... Well, a week doesn't make any difference.

I think you're right.

Oh, let's see what the primary date is.

Yes, frankly, the primary is the 14th.

We'll go to the 6th or 7th.

No, I like the news stories which only printed what shows had.

And I, frankly, just skimmed through the interview reading the true part.

I didn't give a damn what Redston thought.

But then in the evening, after we got through talking, I read the Mercedes of the Redston thing, and I was really outraged.

on moral grounds alone this

You do not talk this way about your country?

You do a lot, I think, if he decides to make something public out of it, by then saying we don't conduct foreign policy through the New York Times.

That's not the channel we use.

I think people will say thank God for that.

The New York Times has become a very helpful feature for us.

That's right.

I think, at that time, I think that they are, I would like to have this letter prepared.

And then I, another way to do it is to send it to about a hundred terrible Indians, which would be a copy.

Now, Bob figured out a, he used to count more to figure out something like this, you know what I mean?

Figure out a very important person who has some standing in this community.

Henry, who is a person who's our friend in the board of policy people?

Well, somebody like Dillard would be good, but a friend that I never do.

Who was congratulating you on this?

You might write it.

Murphy.

I'm not sure of Murphy.

No, I'm not going to write one.

Murphy might write it.

Murphy, it would be okay to accept that he's your man.

Well, he's been your adversary all too many times.

McClory would be good.

I've seen it.

That's the kind of person I'm looking for.

Now a senator is fine.

What about McClory?

David Rockefeller.

McClory would never take home the Times.

No.

Maybe Rockefeller would never take home the Times.

How about a senator, frankly?

If we got any, a member of the Senate who's real, that's even...

What date should I give the Chinese?

This is important because... Oh, I'm sorry.

Because now we have to play it differently.

The original idea was not to give them a date until I've been in Peking, to have that hanging over their head.

But now that we've got to make an announcement with the Russians in September,

Well, my worry is this.

If we tell the Russians we agree now, but we'll announce it in December, which was the original game plan, and then I go to Peking before, it will look like a transparent slap in the face that we are running.

So the way to handle the Chinese is to do it – if you agree, Mr. President, what I thought I would do on Monday is say that

We're willing to set the date, whichever we agree on here, and give it to them.

But we'd like to announce it only after I've proven anything to be true.

Yeah, I'd give them a rest of the day.

Then secondly, I'd say now, you remember I told the prime minister...

I told him, and I'll tell them that I... Four minutes, four days.

Go on, continue to leave China.

I think you'll need four days in Peking and then...

I think if they, for example... And you don't want to put yourself through what I did.

It was necessary in my case, but it's too dangerous for a president to be talking 10 hours a day.

I mean, because if you make it...

Well, but we can break that order.

At any rate, what I would propose to tell them, Mr. President, is give them this date.

We'll set the time for my trip to Peking.

But I remind them of the fact that I told Zhou Enlai, and you said in your press conference, that whenever a negotiation reaches a certain point, that we...

had already accepted before I had been there that under those conditions we'd go to Moscow.

Now it looks as if Berlin is coming to a point, thank God it is.

And I can't tell them yet whether it will or will not, but if it does, if they then extend the invitation, we can't refuse it, except that we will do it

two or three months after we've been there, and we'll give them a week.

We will announce it, but we aren't sure it will be three months after.

I won't tell them yet that it's set.

I'll tell them to let them know five days or a week ahead of time if we do announce it.

I don't think I want to give them a four-week.

So I've got to tell them you're going to see the Emperor of Japan, too, which they won't like.

Mr. Kersey, please.

I have a good story for that.

I'll say that they invited him, that Detroit was to be having him here for a state visit.

We thought this was the best way of doing it.

That's exactly the right touch.

Exactly the right touch.

I talked to a Chinese expert, a Harvard professor.

I practiced with him this morning, who is very much for us.

On the initiative, though, he's a left-wing Democrat and a close friend of Kennedy's.

But he told me that if we don't play the Pakistan thing right, the Chinese are going to go up a wall because

what they see, in other words, he's opposed to Kennedy on Pakistan, because he thinks if the self-determination principle for East Pakistan is established, we may use the same thing for Taiwan and Tibet, and that, and he said... Now, I must say, Mr. President, that

Bill is playing this as a public relations stunt.

To offer a million dollars to the UN is just a cheap shot when you have tens of millions that may starve to death.

We've got to have a big program.

We've got to announce it.

And of relief, no one can object to relief.

And just...

If there are 10 million people sold, moving up to the U.N. and handed a million dollar check to Utah, it's petty.

But a million won't even buy it.

Well, I have a meeting today of this group and we're going to get it done.

I want a big, big, big package.

And it will really, it will help us with the signing.

And it won't hurt us with anybody because...

But the – one of the things I intend to discuss with the Chinese ambassador on Monday is to explain to him where the – what we're doing for Pakistan, so that – and what the Democrats are doing to – And my personal intervention has been in that we are followed by all the Democrats.

And I mentioned Kennedy.

Kennedy is on – I really say it, Joe.

Oh, yeah.

What should I –

What day of the week do we want to arrive in any of these countries?

We don't care.

Monday.

This was the weekday.

All right.

Travel over the weekend.

Yes, yes, yes.

Travel.

I see no reason to do that either.

The taking off is an old fiction.

That's right, it is.

No, I just, the only thing is...

We can take our own Friday stop on, uh, U.S. We're going to go away to someplace.

Well, it depends.

That we have to work out what time you want to arrive.

They're 12 hours ahead of us, so if you arrive in the morning, you get evening television.

Well, we'll go to where we go.

On the other hand, you've got a whole day of work ahead of you.

We're all in a quite deliberate way in order to be up for this thing.

I don't quite think that we should, uh...

I've been thinking that what we really should go to is to go to some other place.

I don't know whether they're Christ's.

I guess Hawaii is the only place that brings you down to a good place.

You know, there's a strong group of people who work in Sweden.

and spend the day there in between, rather than San Clemente.

San Clemente's only four hours, you know what I mean?

You're not Hawaii, you're a seven-hour city.

You're halfway between.

But I think that, and then I don't want to fly eight hours in a rocket and have to start talks.

I don't know.

Maybe the best thing to do is to go to California and then fly to Guam and spend the night in Guam.

Wait, wait.

Nuku'am.

Nuku'am is a little closer, but it's a hell of a long way to go because it's further south.

Was there any other one of those?

How about Manila?

You can't land in Manila.

Do you see the point that I made?

How about going down the other way?

Well, from there it's a nine-hour flight.

And lousy weather at that time.

You can't go in from Hong Kong.

And you shouldn't go anywhere where you have to overfly Taiwan, which is one of the disadvantages of Kuomintang.

And they will object to Okinawa, which is another positive area.

You do.

It's as good as what we've got to go.

Have a good white San Clemente.

Kauai doesn't really give you much good, though.

San Clemente gives you more.

San Clemente, get us adjusted and spend that day there.

No, what I think we should do is to go to San Clemente for three days of preparation.

Yeah.

And that's what it will be.

And then go to Wade.

That way, you get adjusted at least to a three-hour time difference.

Then go and spend the night in Wade.

That would be the best.

Okay.

Well, that would mean after the 7th and before the 14th.

I mean, if you do your study...

I think once you've done one, you can't just fix the tread surface for every lot in that frame.

Well, if you take the 28th, you'll be back by the 7th.

That's just, you really, the 14-2 light is after the 14-2 light.

Yeah.

Too close to many.

Don't you think it is?

Yeah.

You could have done it in 2015.

That would be two months ahead of the airplane.

Yeah, but they would wonder when we go then.

Bob, there's something to be said for us.

The reason is to let's go then.

I think we should make it February 28.

I'll just tell them what to do.

If they don't do it then, it would have to be on March

16th, something like that.

But if they pick it, it's that problem.

Okay.

And that'd be making my contract 16th.

Sorry to interrupt.

I don't like it as well, because I don't like it this, but the, however the primaries come out, they're going to say, it was up this one, or knocks down this one, or how big a vote did McCloskey get, and all that bullshit.

It doesn't mean anything.

It's all irrelevant, as far as I'm concerned.

You go on the 28th.

I prefer, frankly, not to...

I prefer to go under while they're still, you know, rattling around there.

But you go a little earlier than the 28th.

The point that would be made, we're trying to...

The 28th is the final week of the New Hampshire crime.

We can go the 23rd.

What you're doing is trying to knock all the attention out of...

You don't care about the weather?

That's awfully late.

When they have offered us, they deliberately moved it before March 1st.

Well, I was going to worry about the mailers.

What about the knocking of the primaries out and so forth?

They brought us a perfect answer.

You can simply say we have to.

We want the date before the primary so that it does not interfere with the primary.

They will be back in three days and they'll get their flight.

They'll run those stories.

Everyone looks sorry, but they're already talking about, you know, how much better off you're going to be sitting around, sitting by your side while the other people are sloshing through the snows of New York now.

And curiously enough, that may help on that.

The little gin story has more damage than that, because the little gin story is highly personal, ill-treated, and needly, and sort of makes you think like maybe we were trying to steal it.

Whereas this is where we're going to take things, and God damn it, anybody that pisses on it, even arresting it, isn't going to be particularly popular.

Well, that clearly paints the contrast between you as president and other guys out there.

There's perhaps something to be said then for the 21st, because after your fact, the newspapers will still be full of stories for a week.

Oh, that's right.

21st?

25th?

No, I'm talking about the 21st of February.

No, well, that's too late.

I mean the 25th, then.

That's the middle of the week.

That's fine.

That's Friday.

I don't think the time of the week matters.

In that time of year, television audiences are absolutely... That's when you get...

They will dominate.

It will be like the Moonshot.

That's right.

February 25th.

Fine.

It will be exactly like the Moonshot.

They'll be running hour, two-hour specials every now and then.

February 25th for Arrival.

That's when you start.

In California this morning.

Okay.

With regard to the Soviet summit, let's see if that's... We can wait until I get back by about May 25th.

I think we ought to have that run through a week.

I don't think Saturday and Sunday.

During the summit.

I kind of think it's better to have weekday television shows than any kind of news.

Nevertheless, it is.

That's the trouble.

For news, Chinese might not be good.

Well, Russia won't be as big as China in the special type stuff.

Because it's the second trip.

Because there isn't going to be as much interest in seeing Russia as there is in seeing China.

It's tough.

It'll probably be more important.

It's about a 10-hour flight, plus a six-hour time change.

We'll go over it.

Sure.

Yeah, but maybe you can stay with Mulcahy or some neutral place.

That's great.

Sure, why not?

You know, if you stay in England, if you stay in any country, you're not going to have a... Stay at Mulcahy's.

You want to stay at Mulcahy's, you can go to Shannon, which is the logical fueling point anyway for everybody's house.

From there you can hop in six hours.

And you think in time?

We'd have it really late in the MLK this time.

No, there's no entertainment.

No problem.

I told not to be there.

Yeah.

You understand.

Just say it's a... And you want to stay a couple nights there, though.

Yeah.

Stay there for the purpose of... And that's your planning sessions.

But that's again, if you arrive on the 22nd, you could arrive on, say, the Friday night, the 19th.

Say the weekend at MLK.

That's the weekend at MLK.

And then go on into Russia on Monday.

That's good.

I think if I could just say to Jack that, could we use your house?

You don't understand.

He's already done an arrival there and all that.

So it's got to be understood that this time.

I think it's a neutral.

any trouble, and it gets you then, then if you, and then if from there you could leave.

Can we, by the way, ask the Irish government to leave us alone, too?

Yes, sir.

Because that's another advantage.

He's the one Prime Minister who won't bother you.

Well, you know, they still have to meet you at the airport, but that's all.

But not go on air.

Let's go on air.

So, at this point, because of the nature of

But that would get you...

Thank you.

Where are the other European... You can't go.

If you go to any other European government, it will look at it.

If you're briefing them, they'll all want to come.

Because what I think, Mr. President, should grow out of the Russian trip is a summit meeting with the Western Europeans during the summer.

After?

After.

No, because it doesn't look as if you're ganging up

But if you then... We can play that by ear, depending how it goes.

In fact, then...

Unless you want a great tour in Europe, unless you want a tour in Europe, you might get the damnedest reception.

That's the man who's been in Peking and Moscow.

There might be.

And I'm just thinking of the fact that you've been in, you started your term in Europe, you ended your term in Europe.

But it may look, but you could... How many times can you bounce out of the country in Europe for re-election?

Well, for a good cause.

That's one of the things.

But we could...

These are quick trips.

It would be a week.

I mean, it would be a week and a day of peeing, of ice and a squeal.

A week in Moscow.

And another thing is this.

I should say, in politics, what you've all done, what we all have to realize, and the reason I even embrace the little Jim thing, that kind of thing can be something people remember.

But this kind of thing, I mean, if they say, well, it's for political reasons, people say, ah, that's politics.

That's the difference.

See my point?

And so we're, you know, you laugh at people making the tour of Israel, Africa, and Africa and all that.

I don't know, but they hear, oh, they think this is so important that a lot of them are going to say, well, politics, after all, let them say it.

Then we come back and slam a little bit Jesus out of them for their unpatriotic comments.

It might be best to have the Western Summit here so that you are not running to all the capitals of the world in one year.

But it puts you in kind of a more leadership position.

Yeah, because you'll have had two big receptions.

You'll need another one.

I think that would be the best thing.

And it would be so dignity and...

and leadership, and you could have them all together, so that would have the great advantage.

Why did you go to Europe?

You have to do them more.

If you want to get to their capitals, you have to do it individually, and if you don't go to their capitals, you don't gain a hand, or the last thing you're going to be having.

I mean, if all of them are in Paris, or Belgium, or Switzerland... Well, they'd probably insist on some neutral place, so that not one capital gets the benefit.

No good.

But I think that would be a perfectly legitimate thing, and that could be then, end of July, before they all go on vacation.

Because of these developments in reaction to what we were talking last night about, I do not think a press thing is useful.

There's too much money going on in this city.

There's too much money on the international money.

The dollar prices could, uh, may or may not be raised.

I mean, that's what you're talking about.

I don't know what it is.

But I think I've got to get the money up and out.

We've got to get a good look and see what he's going to do.

And I don't want to track him.

And I don't want to appear to be lying to people about what's going on.

I don't think you need it anymore.

I don't think it's a matter of that.

Well, let's come back to the other one as far as the, what we do with concern.

We know we're going to have an announcement for Russia's summit in September, right?

Good.

Without a question.

No question.

And in September, well, that's when you'll announce your October of your journey to China.

How does that sound to you?

Around September 30th, we'll announce the trip to China.

You will announce the Russian summit before you announce your trip to China?

Yeah.

Do you think so?

In September?

Yeah.

Well, the best strategy, yeah, because I don't want the Russians to think that we just make them another visit to China.

I think I can handle the Chinese because the record of the meeting shows, and your press conference makes clear,

that if there is an agreement, I told Zhou Enlai.

Zhou Enlai said, why don't you go to Russia first?

I said, because it's a different problem.

We'd have to be concrete for treatment.

With you, we have a philosophical problem and set the direction.

And I said, it may come first.

It may not.

Then I said to him, the only thing we've told them is we would not go to Russia first.

we won't announce it.

So what I think I ought to do is to tell their ambassador in Paris on Monday that I don't know anything specific, but as negotiations develop and succeed, we will be in no position then to refuse the invitation, but we can put it after Peking, and we intend to put it after Peking.

The President has directed that.

That it be put after Peking, and if there is an announcement, we will let them

to the prenup until after I get back from Paris.

So the only part of the game plan that changes is that instead of holding the peaking date, we'll agree on that now, but not announce it until I come back.

You know, it was an amusing thing.

I know there's been AP dispatch, dispatch by Bruce and so forth.

Those parts are really going to be complicated.

It's one of our problems with the Russians, and the Russians are mad, and they are the Russians, but the problem is put out of the way that they're mad at the same time.

It's one of these, if you read it carefully, it's one of these pleading things, saying, I hope you behave yourselves in China.

Yeah, but on the other hand, our press is kind to them just as beautifully.

I mean, I did note to the President last night from the Russians, it's the warmest,

Mr. More sucking around note, Mr. President.

Tremendous importance attached to good relations.

The date should be fixed at the earliest time.

They did it in the guise of answering this note, which we accepted the night that the President made the announcement.

They just accept it won't be necessary.

Exactly.

All the experts will accept you do this, and they'll... You remember Thompson?

Oh, well, God even stayed with the former.

How are we going to keep the Russians?

I said, we will handle it.

We handle the Russians.

Your thought is that you'd announce Russia in mid-September?

15th or 22nd.

I don't know what your preference is.

15th.

Well, it depends a little bit on what comes next.

Because the Vietnam thing will be settled either by September 10th or after November 1st.

With all of this, Mr. President, it's got to be settled.

There's no way that Hanoi, we are taking Hanoi off the front page now.

If we do nothing else till November, what are they going to do?

Then when, you would announce your China trip on September 30th?

Yeah.

Give or take.

Yeah.

And you'd go in the middle of October?

Go around October 15th.

And on this trip, I decided to go here.

very, very small, advanced thing.

I don't have no secret service.

I want them to go.

I want to, I just think that's going to look bad.

And I don't think we need them.

They're the safest goddamn place in the world.

But what I would do is certainly send communications men as you go.

And one of them, and I don't know why, but what advantage might you send there?

Let's determine it now.

It's got to be low, low profile.

Very low profile.

I mean, so then it can't be relevant.

I'm keeping it well instructed.

Yeah.

That's later.

That would be October.

That'd be about from October 15.

Skipper, take a few days to the 20.

I'd be back by the 22nd.

And all the facts on the fire would just sit through November.

No, October 20th we announce the same.

Then after I'm back the next week we announce the date of the trip.

You announce that in November?

Early November or late October, depending on...

And then from then on, I believe, we haven't got...

But don't forget we'll have a Berlin Agreement in there, too.

Quite likely we'll have one.

Quite likely we'll have the Vietnam thing, and that's going to be something we don't have.

We've got to be all for the policy of the Constitution.

But then it'll come out in February.

Yet the T.O.

is arrested.

That's not bad.

That's one reason why we have to announce this Russian thing.

Because if we do the Tito visit, which will drive them up a wall, plus my visit to Beijing, which drives them up a wall, and hold their announcement until December.

Are you thinking at all about having Tito and California doing anything different than them, or just doing a standard visit here?

I have no idea.

I'm just wondering if you might want to make him go see your person, please.

I don't know.

I'm just telling you, I want to do what's easiest.

Would you want to come here?

I want to have a talk here and let him fly up to Canterbury to spend the day in a standard state prison.

The one thing he wants is he wants a second meeting.

I've sent you a memo.

And he also wants you to come to dinner at the Yugoslav Embassy.

Well, he did some things for you which he's never done for anybody before, like traveling with you, like traveling on an American plane.

He did it because he ordered us to do it.

We didn't ask to travel.

To soccer?

Yeah.

He said we had to.

Yeah, but he normally doesn't come along.

He did that for us, but we didn't ask him.

I know, but...

We don't have to decide that, President.

You've got a hell of a problem if you do a dinner at the Yugoslav embassy.

The dinner, my recommendation in the memo was against the dinner, but for the second meeting.

Second meeting, you can get away with it.

If you do the dinner at the Yugoslav embassy, you have a Russian problem, and you have... You have a French dinner.

for other reasons, but we just have a policy generally about doing that.

We did it with the French, and it raised hell, so we're not going to do it with others, but we have a separate meeting, and I want to include it, and we don't give that to everybody.

We don't give it to everybody.

And there'll be a weekend.

You can let them have it for the weekend.

Yes, sir.

I'm fine if you like it there.

Of course, we've got a meditation committee.

We all have done that, but it's just basically...

And you've got Madame Gandhi coming early in November.

You've got the goddamn... We've got to have some delicate management with this job.

I don't think you'll be in August by then.

Thank you.

But we really have to put feet on it.

Yes, let me look at the talking points I have for you and see whether it's worth your while.

It may get too technical.

I'm not going to get technical at all.

My thought is to simply say that it's vitally important that there be no war involved in the whole situation in regard to our relations with our country.

And that you want to measure dramatic growth.

And that the total emphasis should be on helping people and not getting involved in this governmental fight.

And that I think we need to do much towards allowing ourselves to be used when we need anything.

I don't want that to be done.

And third, and I've described that a lot when I've done it, and finally, that as far as Pakistan is concerned, I'm quite aware of the fact that

should handle this thing differently, but for us to have any influence on it, we must not cut the cord that divides us.

Carry it out that way.

I think that would be good.

Should I bring them up here?

Yeah, they're here.

No, except three.

What I would suggest, if you agree, Mr. President, is when the meeting starts, if somebody could call me, and then I'll just bring the principles up, so that not every little

You know, aren't you amused, Henry, that the... that you get sort of a diapolitical kick out of a meeting to do surveys in Gerson this morning today?

It's on the front page of the Times.

I don't think anybody said anything.

That's just not kind of the solution.

Also, I don't think it's, uh, like it is.

No, I think they should.

I'm going to call to bring an intelligence.

I want these people to shut up.

I agree with all the three presidents.

In principle, we're all set on it.

But it's very important not to talk to any other people in the bureaucracy until you talk to him personally.

And I'm working on my schedule for the President.

I'm working on this department.

We've got to work it out so the President can be political and all.

I don't want to hear anything from the police department.

Oh, no, he's at the house, but they hit many of us.

Matthew?

They talked to him.

I mean, I wanted to, uh, not to have some robbers on the street, but I'd wait until we got it all set and coming.

I don't agree with that.

Well, I know.

I told him a week before, but I think the important thing here is that there's no problem due to the fact that some of the things, how he was here, we discussed it before.

We just say that he got a message and that he brought it in here and we worked on it.

I've agreed on the statement, period.

There's no point in saying it.

But I don't want him to go... As long as I don't get regretted, he's happy.

And on this one, I'm not involved at all directly.

So you'll know.

You'll know, but I mean, it's not because it's fine with me.

I don't want any credit out of it.

I just want to make sure that the credit goes in here and not out of the state so that they don't go around saying, David,

Dave, did you tell whoever did the middle story that he's been pressing me for two years to make this job move and find me succeeded in getting me to do it?

Bill said he'd been arrested.

Now we've got to report it.

We can't be sure.

I had it from two different people.

One of them was Dick Allen, who cut it from the White House.

The point is, of course, that Bill does show his problem on the heading.

It also shows a little bit, maybe, in a sense, in a way, because...

He knows that they're going to get back.

He knows.

It is different from Laird.

Laird at least has written to me on both sides of every issue so he can say that he met Graham in two years.

I was never following this thing.

Never.

All he talked about, all he talked about was the NSC and he now almost realized what a damn liar I was.

When we sat down there and talked about Chinese representation, remember, all I had to say was, and I said, oh, yeah, this is where the Chinese would really have flown if we hadn't positioned them.

And as I said last night, that is not the issue.

That is not the issue.

I mean, these – the thing about it, Henry, is that most of the people in foreign policy think small.

Now, they've got to think big.

And that's what the Chinese are doing.

They're thinking big.

As a matter of fact, the Chinese are thinking bigger than the Russians.

The Russians think big and small.

But one thing about it is that, I mean, if you look back – if you look back at the leaders that have been with them in the world,

I mean, whatever you want to say about the equality law, big, go ahead.

And whatever you want to say about Churchill, go ahead, big, correct.

Most British statesmen do all the time.

They tend to go big and small.

And the dead code here is that our State Department people, as you've all said, are total technicians.

Technicians.

Big technicians.

And, you know, this John Renshaw, Bill and the State Department were totally immersed and tied up in the problem of what we're going to do in the U.N. about Chinese representation.

We couldn't have cared less.

And what he did not see that what we really were doing, we were making him a master.

You could go all the way for all that crap and get to the kitchen.

Mr. President, if he had gone his route, he had talked about you for a Saturday.

And Mitch would have mentioned that Taiwan is a separate state.

Sure.

They would have jumped all over us.

Well, they probably would have.

But he told Mr. Scali and then the King Kong people, Mrs. Johnson, that this is his proudest achievement he had personally.

The King Kongs?

Oh, Mrs. Johnson.

Did he achieve that?

I don't know.

Well, I'm sorry.

I don't want to keep you doing that.

No, but I think it was not a direct result.

We know very well the conversation we were in.

It was the direct parallel to which the state hadn't done a goddamn thing in China, obviously.

But there's not one message.

Hell, they didn't even know about the messages we sent.

Even the Warsaw talks were started when you told Stoeppel to walk up to the Chinese ambassador at the next function.

That's right.

And Zhou Enlai told me that their ambassador nearly jumped out of his skin.

Well, put yourself in the position.

They are ill-ordinary people.

They're naturally a proud man, and they're cultured and oppressed.

They do like to think they run foreign policy.

They don't.

They're just finally learning it.

Because in every major decision, they have either been against it or don't know about it.

They didn't do salt.

They didn't do Cambodian louse.

And they were very glad not to do it.

And they had no ambulance on our hold.

You know, I know where I heard from State of Georgia, in Christ, they didn't do it.

It was a matter of fact.

Yeah, but it goes to Christ, and they don't even give a hell no.

Now, we have, uh, we have played a very goddamn tough skill for being here.

It'll come out sometime.

And I don't mind Bill Allen getting one of us, but I thought we were not gonna let State put up any line if they pushed me into something.

Now, that would be a very bad thing, you know, to be in the press.

Do you agree?

Oh, yes, and that book of yours was like they need some guy

Who made you do these things?

We've avoided this from China.

There's no one.

That hasn't been written at all.

But this is being said.

It will be.

But it hasn't happened yet.

And I think this one ought to be positioned as your initiative.

Growing out of... Well, Henry, I can... Let me say it like this.

You should...

That's why we ought to hold the announcement tight.

Once it's made, we can background it the way we backgrounded the China thing, tying it back to your moves over two years.

That's right.

And I think we can get the same sort of storage again.

Not as dramatic because, but still enough people will like it.

I think the installation was dramatic.

We may be thinking a little too small here.

I knew the China thing would be big because of the land chemistry.

The reason this is dramatic is that, which would not have occurred to unspecified people, the reason this is dramatic is that so many of the smart people have said that China makes the Russians go mad.

Now the Russians, we have a terrible problem in our foreign policy.

Here we kick the Russians in the teeth, and they invite us.

So it shows enormous hope on the big topics.

Now, I don't think that the right strategy is going to be one hell of a story.

But you're changing the whole approach to foreign policy because all the wise guys, the people who told you APM will kill salt, that's been proved wrong.

Go to Beijing, you'll drive the Dutch, especially.

That's been proved wrong.

If you play it out in Jordan, there'll be a war to be out because it was true.

It's not just a war.

I think the record in motor policy next year is going to be four.

One more.

We've got two out of three now.

We always said there were three, but two is pretty good.

Mr. Bresnik, I'm good in Hanoi now.

This is not a good position for them.

They've got it.

I don't think either Bresnik or Maho wants to do it all, huh?

So they may wait until November.

But in my view, they'll set that either now or by next spring, I think, will be the half year before we go on these trips.

Are we just going to coach down to India and be in the selection?

Probably, yeah.

Who the hell is going to make sure that in September there's all these things coming up?

It's just at the time that Congress is back in the air.

They're just trying to go.

But when we bring this announcement, then the election will be over.

They're not being shy about it.

It's another story.

Can I get away with not taking drugs?

I don't want to take any when I go.

Sure.

I would far prefer not to take.

I think you can.

But I think you just said it wrong.

Because I just don't want to be in a position where you're not taking any drugs.

Look, Chinese won't prevent it.

But you can't take them with you.

I know that gets, uh, we'll get into a lot of stuff, but I'm saying if you can do it, then I'll do it.

I want to tell you some of the things about this.

First of all,

This will appear to be more important than that.

If you deal with two partners, either of which can destroy the world, trying to deal with somebody who can destroy the world 20 years from now, they're failing to move on this now.

It's desperate.

They're irresponsible.

They're failing to move on that.

We can do that five years from now.

It was good we did it now.

The second thing is that

It's also an enormous credit to him.

Now, Henry's advice is extremely good.

Fortunately, we've seen it alike virtually without any disagreement.

We both see the world about us as it is rather than it was.

I've always had the theory of the two great powers, playful, knocking against each other, just playful, which goes way back to something that the State Department people, none of them understand.

None of them understand a goddamn thing.

Bill is smart as hell.

He, I agree that he's trying to play his role today.

I agree.

But Father Henry is correct on one point.

Bill does not think this institution turns.

I don't, I mean, you, you don't sense it from talking about it completely.

He really does not.

He's absolutely right.

What's tomorrow's story, right?

He's not thinking in terms of all this.

That's, that's evil even.

If you think he was surprised by China, he's going to be goddamn surprised by the Soviet Union.

I'm surprised because his experts will have told him.

That bloody grease screwed up the soul, didn't it?

I said, well, Bill's in a very awkward position.

See, he came to me, as I told you at one point, a long time back, and said, we aren't going to get a soul agreement.

Therefore, the president ought to invite Brezhnev over here and set up a thing.

That would be a good move.

That was last spring.

Then he came in.

And, you know, it was crosswise on the China thing.

Now he's come in and said, since we've got the China and have no progress with the Soviets, what we should do now is the President should call a meeting with the European Economic Community in Brussels and go over and take on the leadership of Europe at that point.

And that would be a way forward to meet with the ten nations.

and have a good conference.

And I said, how do you have a conference with 10 nations?

And, you know, President Schwab, Chief of Staff, we have found from our trips to Europe, nobody in the United States gives a shit about Europe anymore.

And they don't care about Latin America or Africa, absolutely.

They care about the Jews in Israel because they've had a war.

And India and Pakistan won't make it in the news because there ain't much else.

But, you know, I don't think the people are all stirred up about Pakistan.

Do you think they tend to stir it up anymore than they were stirred up about Vietnam?

You know, Vietnam has stirred up a few Catholics.

But, you know, I think the atmosphere of people love more than Pakistan, because Pakistan, I guess, is a bunch of brown guys and Muslims.

I'm not giving those horrible pictures, but, no, you've been seeing horrible pictures of Indians and Pakistanis all your life.

I mean, in beggars' deli and all that kind of stuff, and that's so... Have you tried to make a future there?

He's gonna have trouble with that.

There's...

It's very much there.

There was a point about the department sticking and looking for some little thing you can do to make it make an action.

It's nothing to do with strategy.

It doesn't tie to anything.

It's just a way to do that.

Yeah, why can't we do that?

But the state people think that way.

They do not think big.

I mean, Henry is, I mean, he tried to build up the wall, but, and I know that he's kind of a CDH, I mean, too, kind of a career since we had, because Henry and I were talking about long-range strategies, philosophy, and so forth, and Bill would get very impatient as well as get the philosophy, what are we going to do, he said.

He doesn't understand that you must not talk about what you're going to do outside of a framework of philosophy.

You've got to talk philosophy.

You've got to be a great mosaic.

And then you put in the pieces and state it.

It's not thinking in mosaic terms.

The communists do.

The Chinese do.

The Russians do.

We must.

The British do.

They don't need more because they're under power.

They can't.

And the British are only thinking about how much they're going to get whether or not the whipped cream goes with their strawberries, is it going to be higher or less, and that sort of thing.

They're down with little dot amounts, things that you're not worthy of a part of.

But that's all they've got to talk about.

But we've got a big bench to talk about, and we're going to play it.

But on bail, we'll handle it well.

Now, the reason for the...

The secrecy, of course, it does not need to be emphasized, but I told Henry too, and he said he's on the total hit, he's on total order, and the other's over there, so that's good.

Because Henry will have it.

So the way that he came out last night, you know, at the briefing meeting, when we were walking out to the helicopter, when we were walking out to the...

I guess when we got off the helicopter.

Yeah.

Because he was already on.

That's right.

So when we got off at Mount Vernon, we're walking over to the boat.

He was just beside himself.

Sure.

This is a very short, uh, story.

It's just a statement.

It's an enormous breakthrough in terms of the fact that they left a meeting.

And, uh, Henry Nelson came on back and said, I've got something I want to show you.

So I put it on a recent paper and laid it out for you.

So this is it.

Hi.

I want to thank you guys on a few things before I brief you.

First of all, I've talked to Attorney General a couple of times this morning on Wednesday's expected announcement.

What's the time today?

Well, he has a press conference at 1130.

And both the Attorney General and I feel that he just loved it.

have us, you know, getting, he's going to tag us on a city or something.

We thought if I would say something like this, I don't have a comment on Mayor Lindsay's announcement today, now that the mayor's in the Democratic Party, he's a Democratic Party's problem.

Period.

I wouldn't say that.

No.

Why?

I don't know anything.

No, no, I don't know what I would say.

It's just a matter of time.

I'd rather say that.

Okay, totally.

Yeah, and I would like for you, if you would, to call Nelson Rockefeller and tell him that we would say that we're just not going to go about it.

The President just wanted to clear it with him.

That you're just going to say no comment.

Just curse.

No comment, gentlemen.

The Attorney General feels that he's going to

Refer to the problems in the cities, but I'm not going to be drawn in.

What about Vietnam?

Like, you've got to refer to that.

What's going to get out of Vietnam?

Problems in the cities and so forth.

Okay, let's just make a comment.

Just say no comment.

If you say he's a Democrat, you've got to get him on the desk.

They must just ignore him from now on.

The communists have a word for him.

He's a non-person.

I have no comment on him.

All right.

Perfect.

Now, the other thing, Wallace has said something about busing today, so I'm likely to be asked about that.

Well, he says that the president should whip his cabinet into line on the busing issue.

So I'll be asked about that, and I thought if the question comes in the right way, I would use the line.

The president has made his feelings clear on busing for many – going back to the early days of the administration.

He's against busing.

I'll assure you that the government, the administration, will follow the – I'll just put it this way.

The president is against busing, period, as he has said on many occasions.

Second, the Supreme Court has held that the steps must be taken to end the school system.

The service badge must be hidden.

And third, the President, despite the fact that he... No, no, no.

The service badge must be hidden.

And, of course, that busing and that busing

could, did not require us to be used, but it could be used as one of the methods for the purpose of meeting the court's criteria.

Therefore, if the president, therefore, in his position as the chief executive, will carry out the law of the land.

But he has a directive.

the view of the working, the view of the courts that he has directed, has sent a firm direction to every appropriate cabinet office that we are to carry out the law.

But that because the view of the Supreme Court does not compel us, there's no compulsory requirement of us that the law should be carried out.

of wherever possible, without lessons.

And in that, in that particular, as far as the Federal Government is concerned,

The President has undermined his opinion on this by asking the Congress to adopt an amendment that no federal balance in the United States can be used across the government.

He personally has directed every cabinet officer.

He said he had two hours.

He said he had two hours with all of the cabinet members last week.

Secretary Raishman, the orders have been given.

And it's not easy to say, first, the President has said it.

Any people in the bureaucracy who do not, who violate the president's orders will be discharged or transferred to the investor in civil service based on the position they say the president has ordered them.

Anybody that violates that.

And that's the thing about bureaucracy too.

Okay?

George Meany, I think we no comment him, too.

No, I have no comment.

I think there's nothing to be gained by saying nothing.

We could say that you've attempted and will continue to work with George Meany, meet with him.

No, I don't think I have anything to say.

Just no comment.

I think that goes too far.

Hold on.

I have no comment on that.

I think there's no comment on that.

The President has explained the reasons for going.

He believes that the majority of American people support him.

and his journey for peace, to say it that way.

You see, I have no comment on that.

The President explained his determination and his travels around the country.

Since he made his announcement, we believe that the majority of the American people support him.

THE PRESIDENT.

I may be able to make that point in response to another question you asked me about the Joe and Lai interview.

And I have no comment on that, of course.

We're not speculating about that.

And they may – they'll come at me from this standpoint.

They'll say, well, Joe and Lai is having interviews with the press about the China trip.

Why doesn't the president?

I'm going to say the president made the purpose of this trip clear, this format.

And then go on to say that the president is going to meet directly with Joe and Lai, and he feels that's the place to conduct the discussion, period.

What does it do here?

Oh, no, thank you.

Joe and I very scrupulously refused to disclose, did not disclose, as to the content of this conversation.

Excuse me, Mr.

Chair.

Dr. Mr. H. had to say that there are no conditions and appeals.

That is what the President has said.

And we're not going to have any more to say.

Put that out.

And as far as the President...

And you say that the President, that the President's major objective is, here, is to have this increase of C. He does not believe that going beyond what he has already said would be an anchors to the, that talking about it in the newspapers, trying to exploit it in the newspapers for the better, would be conducive to major success of the trip.

I want to be sure that you get all the way that they did it for me.

I know this is one thing that the president and members of staff use.

First, I will never use it.

First, it's not true.

Second, it's perfectly right to be with me.

You know, the White House staff was out in the lollygag around when I got it.

But if they think that the president is still authorized $30,000, $40,000 for the purpose of some massage parlor, that's bad to see.

So just if it comes up, I don't expect you to predict what I was expecting.

I see your point.

I was trying to refer that, you know, facilities like this have been here, around here for a while, and they have been.

This, as a matter of fact, is a lot smaller than you think.

You should say it, but if you all saw it, you were not.

You should find out here.

You were sitting in the facilities.

This is the facility that used to be available for the President and for the members of the White House.

But this president doesn't use such facilities.

And so I know there's a little room in over here.

You'll go to the Senate.

You'll use these facilities.

I hope the president will practice life science.

Sorry, it's a small room.

I just don't want him to feel it.

There's always a little way for the president.

And he's asked us not to be built for his comfort.

Screw him.

It's a cheap shot.

It's a lousy shot.

Oh, we're on.

Now, I don't know whether I want to continue an absolute blackout on the aircraft.

We're doing nothing.

There's only one individual, and I'm alive, I'm on that hook.

That's Ed Dale of the New York Times, and I've authorized the economic income, but absolutely nobody else.

And here, of course, listen to what all of us are doing.

We should talk to them on or off the record, any time, social events, any time, whatever.

Well, I do, I've had some contact with, you know, to the normal, uh, my team across the highway.

But I think I'm going to want to go to the law office.

If they call, if they call in and they want to clear up the story, don't clear it up.

Screw them.

We, we have... That's never my reason for it.

It's nothing to do with any of their being interested.

But because I cannot have two papers prove themselves above the law.

and damage the security of the country.

Get away with it.

Now, I'm going to punish these statutes the last thing I do, and you've encouraged me.

I've got to do it.

So if you'll do that, and I did your hand up, I'm going to just tell all your boys there ain't going to be nothing here.

If they do, they're out.

And you have applied.

And who else is it that just wanted to talk?

Scallion.

Well, I do.

I don't return the calls when I'm at home.

And we're doing a very effective squeeze-out job for them.

Occasionally, I'll, you know...

I've seen the solution.

Not in my office or anything.

I've seen the solution.

I mean, to be civil, be courteous, be proper, and so forth and so on.

One thing that you should have in mind, too, and don't let Bill get away with this utter crap of the effect that...

that the president can't travel to space, and I'm sure there might be elections next year.

Frankly, if somebody ever had a project like that.

Yeah, Mike Biden is such a goddamn fool.

The one thing I'm sure I would do is just, well, I can't see how you could say that.

He took Senator MacIntyre with him.

He was glad to go in Maine.

He was met by Senator Curtis.

He spoke in a bipartisan Maine target.

He did not meet with any of the Republican leaders.

Get out and listen.

I want to congratulate you.

I'm glad that when you went over the top, you didn't make a little thing of it.

You got 501 also.

Well, it was a great thrill.

As a matter of fact, I was up in Maine over the weekend, and my, David, who you know, David Eisenhower, who was one of your great fans, and I said to him, now, you watch that paper every day, and I want to see what Harmon Kilgour bids his 500.

And then last night, I was busy, and I just picked up the morning paper here, and I thought, you know, there it was.

And he got two.

As a matter of fact, one of the things is that I'd rather run.

You've got one in that Homer contest you had with Willie Mays.

And I said, damn it, they should have counted that one.

But this is great.

It's a great day for you.

And the other thing I want to say is, and I was telling Mr. Bowie at the end of the day, that...

Not only did you do in a select circle of 500, but you were even a great credit to the game.

I mean, everybody around the league, they set a fine example for the young people and the rest.

And I want you to know that the whole country recognizes that.

Because, you know, the kids look up to the big stars.

And the way that you handled yourself as a team leader, team player, has been great.

And when you were just starting back in 65, and of course, we've... You still burst in terms of...

There's a statistic of number of times when you hit, or is it... What do you call it?

A number of home runs in terms of...

Isn't that, what is the number there?

David was telling me about some figure that he said where you were the all-time, uh, winner of that.

You had to march, didn't you?

Yeah.

Well, after all, why didn't I get past 13 or 14, right?

Well, and once you're past 13, you're on the way.

But how do you deal with it?

Did you get hit in the foot or something there?

Ooh.

Oh, boy.

Well, you know, that makes a very difference on your swing, don't you think?

Yeah.

Yeah, but that cowl is now, isn't it?

But not completely wild.

Why don't they take off the whole time?

If they're having a little difficult this year, then you can get some back.

Yeah.

Well, I think the old Washington fans are all pulling for you.

We followed you through the years, Trish and Julie, who stood so in harm's way.

I don't know.

These fans, you're the only one we could cheer for when you were here.

Well, I appreciate it.

I appreciate it.

Incidentally, when you're out there, be sure to get my message to Bob Allison.

I know that he's not really complicated.

I don't catch many things.

You know, I used to work late the other night.

Here's Allison on commentary.

Right, right.

Well, any of the old Senators you went off with, we were so delighted to see one of our guys again.

Okay.

Yep.

Did you learn today that you play in a golf ball?

You do?

Well, I can't send you a baseball, but I'm going to send you a presidential golf ball that has a presidential seal and a signature on it.

You can use it for holes in one.

Okay.

All right.

Well, anyway, I've had him alerted for a week, and the day he does it, we can let him.

I'm sure there's a note in somewhere.

No, on its way.

I'm kidding.

No, it's just underdone.

But I wanted it.

The day, whatever you want to just call it, the night after.

I couldn't.

They called me last night.

I thought it was something else.

You know, the whole thing.

I did it a little bit.

And I'm too...

But, you know, they're not.

They're just on a sports bench down here.

We don't care.

Or you could do my bullet for me.

Get that auto racer and come down.

I don't care what other people think about these men.

It's what I was saying last night.

Let's get down with our time, folks.

I know this is a good way to end this.

I want to talk to you.

But the thing about this is that this is Russian.

Henry, as I rewrite it later, was making it come true.

And also, they were going to play it in that way.

It was an enormous achievement in terms of what can happen.

It also means they wouldn't be meeting unless they wanted to have some crew involved.

You can.

In fact, it's like a synonym.

He's a hostage to the Russians.

Yeah.

Well, he could be right.

I mean, they've done this before.

But he's wrong, because you're not a hostage to them.

If they blow it, that creates a crisis then, and that helps you, too.

Also, it creates a problem for them.

The Chinese tend to focus on foreign policy, which is where you want it.

And in fact, when I'm the king turner and gets attention on it, it's worth it.

Worthwhile, good or bad.

So that people aren't just, just worrying about the economy where they're all doing reasonably well, but they don't think other than they are doing well because they're told they're not doing well.

Well, they don't think other people are doing well even though they know they are.

Right.

I use this, these two days, and I'm using it for talking to Schultz.

That's what I wanted to ask you, if there was anything you wanted to... Well, I'm not working on any economic things myself.

And again, if you would follow through with...

I don't want my mind to get cluttered up with the day-to-day crap of, you know, all the gold and all that bullshit.

So that'll come later.

I mean, things may change.

But one thing I want to get you to know, in the September cold, all of us are leaving.

Oh, what's his name?

Harrison.

Can you still get Russians in there?

Yeah.

No, no.

One question.

That is this.

Do they have anything to do with the domestic world in this way?

To get the volume, should the United States, many are concerned that the cuts in the defense budget are going to make the United States sad, so we should give the choice between housing, education, environment, etc., and the U.S. being sad.

Would you be for it?

And then second, if it is necessary for us to raise taxes to see that the United States is saying, I want to get the tax thing in.

In other words, every time they ask, are you for any domestic program, would you be for this if it required to raise taxes?

I want to get more clearly the tax versus the other.

Here's the problem I have.

The domestic counsel people are all lobbyists for their programs.

And therefore, they all come up with these polls, which are totally irrelevant.

Harvard's poll was irrelevant because it said people are for more spending for every service plan.

And yes, it was that time rule, and I could have told you that 30 years ago.

The point is, are they for that?

If it means an increase in taxes, if it means an increase in prices,

See what I mean?

And I've got to get that in on every one of these questions.

I want to weigh, basically, I want to weigh the spending tax issue against doing more of the folks issue.

See?

But it must be put.

If this means, if more spending means an increase in taxes or inflation, which means higher prices,

Which do you think the government should aim at?

Now, I don't know, get there if you get some decent questions on that particular point.

Would you do that?

It's a very, uh, budget aid is important.

And also whether the United States should be second, now that we're, since this is a domestic council thing, they'll say, how can we put that in?

It's very relevant, because we're trying to figure how much of the budget should be the middle share and how much of the board.

So we say, uh, would you prefer defense to that?

And, and something like that.

I have no way to do that.

I just like to know what the date is on September, because I believe that's something people do in my house.

The other day.

How does, uh, uh, uh, uh, what about, in Casey's record, you think the best thing to do is to let him cook a little while, and then maybe see if we can get a writer or so forth.

I imagine he does some of that writing stuff.

No, he said, what he, he talks that way.

He says he has the ideas.

He talks with the writer.

But he says, I've got a superb writer, and he's the guy who puts this in the...

I really should.

I think he would.

I desperately need that kind of record.

I really do.

I mean, I don't know.

You read the speech, Bob.

It does not bite like that stuff does it?

Sure.

It doesn't bite?

I wonder if you can get it to you.

i don't know

You know, I'll let you know as soon as I finish with George, and see when he's free.

And whoever's doing the VFW, to get our thousand words together.

I'll do a little thinking about that.

Good night.

I think Andrews was running for the VFW, wasn't he?

I think he's the best one, because he did the...

Someone's heavy on it now, because they're set to have men tomorrow night.

We want to have a few questions.

Ray also has submitted a radio talk, a new prospectus on the overall idea of the radio talks, and he's ready to talk to you about that.

Good.

Well, I understand that, Ray.

Then you could add the other talk, and we'll get with the guidance later, too.

I don't want to spend a lot of time talking about it.

I think it's worth it.

Great.

Earl has also asked for a half hour.

Do you have a driver?

Do you set up, get set up, you know, a coal supply operation?

I mentioned this the other day, but I don't know whether I spelled out this precisely.

A coal supply operation in every major state?

Do you have it monitored?

Well, monitoring and reacting and so on.

Reacting.

And so that we, in other words, we can react to the White House level and that the State of the Channel can react to whoever the hell we've got.

I think we can do a lot of good with those local people.

The purpose of this is primarily the TV.

I would tell them, don't try to read all the papers, but it's the TV that really counts.

Let the paper be a byproduct.

Let it do the other papers, too.

But I'd like to have this, which is a project to give to our people.

I think it was good to have Graham see these other people because of the fact that we can now have some other cuts in the end.

You can't tell, there may be something going on on this religious, romantic, you know, it's everything.

It isn't just religion, of course.

But even in the minister,

It's a broad gauge thing.

It's just this mysticism and Jesus freaks and reaction.

And back to romanticism and back to romanticism and all that kind of stuff.

We'll insert that into one.

Questions?

Well, anything that's positive is going to work to our benefit, it seems to me.

Positive.

To the extent that this is, which it basically is.

Yeah.

It's a turn away from this.

Negativism.

Putting all the effort against charity stuff down.

Well, very much like last night, about two things.

One, of course, you said you're interested in telling the American people and talking about God.

Well, the second is harder than the first.

We can do the first.

But also, in his going around, and he has had a very significant shift in his mail.

People are getting out of it.

You know, and that little girl up there, that's actually what he quoted was made from her stuff, you know?

And it was just, and I just, thinking back on it, I was thinking that the very simple, it wasn't really very well organized, it wasn't very well stated, it wasn't very elegant, but it got it, it got in.

That's the trouble with our writers, you know?

Our writers, just write it down that elegantly, maybe.

They don't sort of say in a simple, earthy, gee, this is how I feel kind of a way that's going to move people.

Say some of that directly.

First of all, they just agree with it because he thinks they're talking down to people who talk in an earthy sense in terms of the president.

You know, he's got this presidential business.

He can talk over their heads and be elegant all the time.

You don't get to it, but he does believe this.

He does.

So whether it's a gem, a beautiful little rhetorical gem, rather than sort of a moving little story.

I'll get it.

I'll find a way.

I'm worried.

But if you'll follow up on Sheppard, I think he's going to be a great asset to us, don't you?

Sheppard?

Oh, yeah.

And he's got his speeches around doing this, and he'll pick up this.

He'll take on the leader class, and you gave him that thing.

That's not a good idea.

Sheppard is great.

He'll take them on, too.

See, Graham speaks to the non-leader class.

The great class is our lower middle class for the most part.

And a few decent people, very leader types who are in here, you know, that are not any of the 50.

Most of those, they are his parents.

Most of the people who have been in college and exposed to American education.

are, frankly, self-conscious and embarrassed of our religion.

Now, that's the way they are.

And they go to church on Easter and a couple other times a year.

But basically, they're sort of embarrassed by these things.

They really are.

This was their embarrassed by the motion.

or anything other than pure pragmatism and being cowardly, because basically what we have is a cowardly leader class in the present time, a class that is solely interested in pragmatism

what works, how are they going to get by, and so forth.

And a class that's not willing to sacrifice, not willing to give.

Everything's got to go well.

Never let them stand up and fight.

Be courageous all the time.

Jesus Christ, we just don't have that kind of people around.

Not a few.

Okay.

No, Mark Lewis.

Well, you could name ten, can't you?

Yes.

They're a lot more.

They're going to be more in the leader class.

We don't see that around through the country that we don't.

But one of the kind of people that he gets in for his meetings with business people and the educators that I get in there, they're the ones that separate a bunch of heads.

Well, the ministers are a little worse, particularly the liberal ministers.

They're really bad.

I'm the college president, sir, too.

Oh, they're actually a little better.

But you know, they're a very strong family.

Exactly.

Who the hell are they?

One of them, they study balls.

You know, the president can't stay there.

Yes.

Just great.

That's very much, you know, serious.

And they're college presidents.

Reducing the truck review engine.

There's all that, there's just softness.

That's what it concerns me, the terrible softness about it.

But that's why we're all, you know, when we're talking about this kind of environment question and the consumer question and the, what are we going to do with the last question and all the rest of it.

There's a better line here.

That's why we're planning on that.

I think I would give, I would sort of, it fits in with John, John Earth, John Earth.

I don't want John to get the rap for burying things that are coming from the Chattanooga people.

I'm planning on his art, frankly, for business.

And whether it's consumerism, or he's already got a consumerism.

I want him to take the environment thing, and he's the chapter person of that thing.

I want him to get it out.

Because he's got to talk to these businessmen.

Now basically, Bob, you cannot have an advocate, like say John Whitaker, go ahead and talk to the, or Russ Crane, talk to the businessmen about the environment.

Because we do not agree.

There's got to be a guy on their side, our side, their side,

Who is also on our side?

I bet you, I bet you he tried to fuck with us last night.

Stannis can't be wrong about all the music.

Can't be on all of them.

There's got to be something wrong with some of them.

I've heard this like anything else.

There's, you know, some of these...

Bush is doing well, huh?

Seems to be.

I put a note in here the other day, and I just wondered.

You should have put a lot of steam in there.

We want to use him around more as a speaker.

Yep.

And we're going to sell.

I mean, how do you get him to sell Nixon as the world leader thing?

Bush should pick that team.

He is.

I've talked to him about it.

I think it was his whole time at the Bohemian Grove, and he gets, that's what he wants to do.

And of course you can give him that other than.

Randall Conley had a couple hours of, he says, he, this is Conley, his dedicated man, or man, he says, I mean, his courage is not, he's a fighter.

He says he has great respect for you and support for you.

And Billy, of course, whenever the president asks you, you have to do it.

And Billy didn't raise any point about the question, because I heard him talking about it, but he's seen an article on it.

He says, now, this is not going to go to the House of Representatives.

The Vice President should go to the chair of the House of Representatives.

And he said, I don't know the president, make sure he doesn't have a complete job.

So he worked for him.

Okay.

The problem now comes to mind.

As to what the hell we do.

And I must say, I'm at a loss because, which I perhaps had better leave to be a native.

Harlow didn't think he had.

Harlow was expecting to be summoned back by the Vice President because that was the way it was left when they talked in Korea.

The Vice President wanted to continue the conversation with him.

Harlow's fine now that he's got his federal license up a little.

Yeah.

Whether to do it or not, I don't know.

The problem with Mitchell, he wants you to keep things as they are.

I suspect he may.

I don't know that.

I think he...

I know Mitchell's afraid of Connelly.

And if he figures that he's clearing the way for Connelly...

Afraid of Connelly?

Yeah.

Based on the camera, the Vikings are putting out...

I don't know.

We haven't talked about comedy because we haven't gotten into this area at all recently.

I don't know.

I may be guessing wrong, but I feel very strongly that it's the right thing to do.

Sure, that Republican meeting, the National Committee meeting, everything that's come out of it is that

because there's no, there's nobody ready to bleed and die for acting.

Not ready to, unless somebody.

They're all prepared for, even the super acting lights recognize that there is, that he's also a drawback as well as a plus.

And it may not be possible to keep him in there.

It certainly seems to be,

you've got to keep him on or else.

Now there are some who say if you take Agnew off, you can't put Conley on.

Right.

Because they won't buy a non-republican.

They want Reagan.

Those are maybe wrong.

I mean, some.

Some are who they want.

I noticed that I see somebody said that they thought that Conley was the only one.

You've got a little group of other sort of

building up the economy.

I think after the economic move, we can have more.

I've been thinking about that economic move.

I'm not so sure, still.

It's really the impact, basically, of the program and so forth.

I mean, it isn't really what is said here that is so important.

It's just the fact that it's all about

I'm sure if I had to get off any company in Madison, I'd still buy the money.

I was totally in disbelief with the interest in surviving to have the wage price set.

Tax?

Wage price?

He's going to be there.

He's going to have to pay for the monetary policy.

What's that?

There's a little that he said for me not elevating the economic issue in a crisis atmosphere.

And it just keeps it one page below.

And I'm not sure that in his case I would not go for prime time.

I'm glad that I don't, I think we, because I'm going for his time.

I'm going for his time.

Yeah, I'm going for his time.

Yeah.

I just thought you said seven o'clock.

Five o'clock.

That I ask for time and then let it, I let it get questions.

No, I wouldn't.

No, I'd just go over 7 o'clock and say, uh, uh, go over 7 o'clock, period.

And put it right on.

The thing about, uh, Hobart Road instead of, uh, the top of that whole line today,

He's got the whole story done.

Suddenly, he's just picking up from the logic.

And he covers the various arguments for devaluing the dollar.

And he says, covers what the arguments are.

And he says, they could all be met by the simple device of notifying the IMF that we will not redeem gold.

Gold.

We will not redeem dollars from gold.

And then let the dollar seek its own level.

and that it would probably do that at something like a 10% drop in value, which would have no effect on the ordinary American here at home, because he'd go right on planning his savings and buying his food, and it wouldn't make any difference.

It would increase, you know, it's a simplified, good statement, making the case for good.

He just discusses the whole thing.

He doesn't go into the wage price.

Oh, no, not at all.

Not at all.

Just to go with it.

But I don't think that's bad to start building up some, let them build up, you sure don't want to look like we are.

Building up so that there is a feeling that there's, like Tony said, that there is an international monetary situation, and it is a totally shocking thing to move to do it, because there is a psychological problem.

Sure, to stand in time when people, Schultz put it,

They were talking over the weekend with his kids about that Royston Committee report on devaluing the dollar.

And his son is 13 or 12 or something.

He's been working this summer.

And his son asked him to explain what this meant.

And George explained it a little bit.

And his son said, well, I don't want my dollars to be worth less, Ellen, than to be worth more.

Which kind of sums it up, you know, people who've got money, they want to...

It's got to be put in such a way that they won't get the feeling that their dollar is worth less.

And in actuality, it won't be worth less in the domestic economy.

You just said it doesn't mean your dollar isn't worth less here.

It simply means we'll be in a better competitive position there.

Well, as Roland points out, it's not an optional thing anyway, that as far as Canada journey is concerned, the dollar is floated down, even if they floated their currency.

But others are going to do likewise, and we aren't going to have any choice anyway.

He makes a good case, good, saleable, domestic case.

Correct.

Especially with the foreign policy things you've got to come back to.

I'm going to like having a company answer.

There's something else to be said.

I'm just having a company to him and letting him step up to it.

That's the only problem.

He makes the major things.

He has a chief economics.

He always has an economic answer.

I'm facing.

It all screws up.

about his politics.

He really doesn't.

Of course, he's a cop.

I mean, I'm willing to sacrifice myself for the greater good.

That's a political disgrace.

Okay, great.

You know, Earl, I don't know if you know him, but he's a busy man.