On August 11, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon, Ronald L. Ziegler, Charles W. Colson, Manolo Sanchez, Stephen B. Bull, H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman, and Rose Mary Woods met in the Oval Office of the White House from 12:59 pm to 1:43 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 561-012 of the White House Tapes.
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It says President Nixon has directed all involved governments, the directives, that is, the agencies, to carry out the law into segregating the nation's schools without the use of busing wherever possible, the White House disclosed today.
Ziegler told Newsmen that within the last month, the president has again re-emphasized both in writing and verbally to the appropriate agencies what is to be followed in eliminating the school dual school system.
Ziegler warned that Nixon expects his policies to be followed and it will be followed.
He said those not responsive will not find themselves in government.
And I think that's the point you're making.
I think that's the point you're making.
In the last few days, I've set up both presidents and matters.
We're going to classify less because we believe the price is the right, the public is the right to know.
By classifying less, we will protect better what is really important.
Classify the unimportant, or not classify the unimportant, classify the important.
And he's, he'll have a very good, good, one of you women could do that good meeting thing while he's working, thinking on it.
Now, I would say it's good for you, isn't it?
So you want to make a good, uh, I don't know if it's a good morning or afternoon.
I just would like a good Friday morning story.
And end the network Saturday night show with it.
Maybe we can do it Friday because of the other possible consideration.
No, we're not going to do the other one.
Oh, I see.
There's the monitor situation.
Well, then let's do it tomorrow morning.
Right.
We'll do it at 11 tomorrow.
Okay.
Fine.
That's a good time.
I just told John, I said, you know, I should be, I should be, I should be, I should be, I should be, I should be, I should be, I should be, I should be, I should be,
I said, well, I'm the king of the National Tech University.
And so he said, we're going to go.
And I read that scat over again.
Good.
And I let her go.
It's fascinating, Mr. President, the Democrats, the other day, they spoke.
They didn't understand what it was.
And I don't know if somebody had a trace.
They delayed the hearings that they had planned.
They cut the money out of the hearings.
You can't find a Democrat that's talking about the Pentagon take position.
Well, they're waiting for a signal from us because thus far we have kind of held back on the grounds that we don't want to do anything that upsets the October 3rd election.
is something that Kissinger and I was concerned about.
I think it justified it.
I'd love to see this get it cranked up for October.
I cranked it up for October, but they'll be back September the 8th.
We'll have time to get it out of here.
It's scheduled in October.
We'll start in the middle of October, the date of the month, the preparation, and we'll do the preparation after that.
Be sure they have hearings.
We really want to go after this thing.
Oh, I imagine they're going to have hearings.
I agree.
And all of the much heralded talk about hearings at Mansfield and Fulbright and all these fellows who were screaming for it in June, you just don't see it.
They're calling themselves a way back.
They are.
There's no public state in the region.
New columns.
They belong.
We've got everybody.
We're going to do it.
I don't know.
We do, and we're going to start it as soon as we get back.
We're going to, we have a couple of economists who will work with us on this, too.
So the problem is that if we have those honorable economists who will get up there and just knock their damn brains out on this, Chuck, I think that's, well, Dick Wilson, Dick Wilson will, because he is, he's one of their sons of the Duke.
There's some, there's some good little ground guys who will help us with this.
The Hawks don't want it because they, you know, the David Lawrence said it might very well set the light of the country, blow to the country, and it's only someone who sees the politics that the Democrats are playing who will really...
The Democrats are really, they squealed about this damn thing.
They were going to have the Americans and all the rest, and now they see what they can tear their party apart, and you really have to keep going on.
Well, I had a first-grade analyst who...
He's done his whole life in subversive warfare of one kind or another on our side.
He's an admirer of ours and yours in his case.
He's developed a variety of states for judgment.
He's been going through this, digging out names, people, and incidents and events.
We can build one hell of a case and give them the right forum, and the forum has the guys.
and we'll get the Vietnamese election out of the way and more of us are trying to respond.
And the right case, of course, is really
to get our Democratic friends talking about your main thing, and defending, and running away from it, and fighting each other about it.
It's their problem.
It's not ours.
I can just, in constant, I just, but I guess some of you have in mind the fact that I, because I, I, I, I did get early on in the day on the investigative side, and I was working on that too.
So if you have in mind, we need those hearings.
Let's keep this by God's name.
I want that thing in flying.
So can you imagine April Tarrant, before that committee, explaining why he didn't get Xi'an out of Vietnam when he had a chance to, and kept him in a church where he was vulnerable with all of his kids and his kids?
because it's supposed to be interesting to this person.
I want that out.
I want that out.
Well, we'll get to that.
We have to get to that one.
I wanted my hair before the committee answered.
Oh, I did.
I'm very anxious to see that one.
The interesting way I began that, I think you should.
You should get ourselves in the city.
He was a murderer.
He was a murderer.
He was a murderer.
He was a murderer.
He was a murderer.
He was a murderer.
Well, that's good.
That's good.
We'll do that.
We have a case.
It's just how and when we can just begin to exploit it.
Right.
If you know anything, it can be brought up later.
But remember, we've got to get a deuce if you are, are, like some senators and congressmen who are willing to make that, God, I don't know, later put our line here.
Yeah, he's cranked up to do the ulcer push if the evidence shows that there's something to work on.
But he's not going to investigate these other things.
And that says somebody, isn't it, that you're reading the papers you put out there?
Yes, that's what I did on Andy.
He's done nothing but go back and read them.
He's turned up also as a little...
Now, we get a lot of Republicans to help us on this, and we get some Democrats.
The liberals, you know, turn it around.
If you start reading the publications like the New York Magazine, which is very little, they're just tearing the hell out of the old Kennedy-established Democrats.
I just went through another article this weekend where they talked about the terrible errors of judgment
kind of the intellectuals that came to Washington, the George Lundy's, you know, they turned on their own very, very deep and alive.
And that's interesting.
There's nothing more vicious, you know, on the liberal side.
You get a talk with each other who thought, well, I can find them despite the social coercion, despite the capitalists, and the liberals find them the liberal.
I mean, they are very, very violent that way.
Well, I think it's already, in fact, it has affected the general public, you know,
He said he was the only character.
And all the
Good.
Establishment, you know, did him in the 68s.
The city is so much quieter with a congressman down here, isn't it?
Sure.
His physical presence is not big.
It's a jury.
It's a weed jury.
We get too stirred by the congressman here.
We're in the summer well, but we expect...
I've been working the last few days trying to get some of our cabinet folks to mention some points why we can't...
And it's tough even to get them cracked up.
They're kind of in the summer dokers.
It's all right.
But it's not a bad time for it.
It's going to be a long one.
We'll be back with the surge in September.
It's quite a future.
It's a good chance to keep this.
You're the star of it.
Oh, boy.
The only thing that I felt badly about is he took some lines in here that I would have loved to have seen us use.
The liberals at their cocktail parties demeaning the working man.
He made my intelligence, my New York labor friends, and called to say it was just the most spectacular political speech they'd ever heard.
He just, he went right into the general, Bernie's name, New York state leader.
I think I should take a dose here.
And they all cheered him up.
Gave him a hell of a response.
Of course, it helps us, because I can't conceive of this being not happening.
And if he isn't, God is all great for him.
are just not going to deal with it.
Our reaction is that we want him to go up and go up with his mind.
Also, he's chairing the Democrats.
No, he can't chair us.
Now, let's see what we've got.
His whole speech was against the left-wing taking over the Democratic Party.
His whole speech was anti-the left and the Democrats.
Every time he does that, he just rips them up.
Your dad's speech has already been crisis shocked and with emotions marked on a big deal later.
He did, he did a beautiful job.
He did.
He went, he went harder than you could go as president, obviously, but someone that's not on the sidelines.
Yeah, and he talked about the, the fact that so many new left Democrat intellectuals were being derisive of the working man, the ethnic,
The whole constituency of the Democratic Party, they were trying to drive that, which is true.
And that's, that's, he recognized all the sliver shops, and .
Have you had an opportunity as a person to look at that,
economic flexion that we put together last week.
I haven't studied it.
I don't do that in fact.
It is probably as good as you can do on a grid.
It's a strong story.
We want to get a story which is going to have difficulty inside because when
When you've got the whole, it's like a tie, it's like a meeting on Bob's, the success of Bob's.
And now, I can catch him, he's less than 20 a week, he was 18 this last week, for example, and that's about six weeks in a row.
We can see what the hell, we can see what happened, what Bob's was all about.
But having said that, you could possibly have tried to defend models three months ago.
In a way, because the whole tide of opinion was against you.
And everybody said if I decided to defend it, it would be the credibility of the economy at the present time.
It's quite difficult to make any positive comments.
You could hit the retail salesman.
and put them in half.
I said, well, they didn't produce the work this time.
I thought it was just fine because they were quite as high as June, which, of course, was an all-time record.
Well, Gandhi was a hell of a month, 7%, 7%, and also 17%.
That was last year, 70% of the first of the year.
How else do you want?
Well, the other thing about them, sales, they were down.
It's going to be every single month this year.
And you've got in July 32.86 billion total sales.
Our deals have 12% from a year ago.
And that contrasts with 33.1 billion in June.
It's a minuscule difference between June and July.
And this is seasonally adjusted so that the investment
That's talking about a couple of hundred million dollars out of $33 billion this time.
It continues to be .
Yeah, that's a good thing to say.
The point is, at the moment, there is an almost malaise in the country, which we're well aware of, contributed to by the media and by the Democrats and by the system of our Republicans and some of the jackasses in the administration, too.
And I said, well, we're not doing as well as we ought to.
They just won't stand up.
And so it gets very difficult for them to stand up now because they appear to be wisdom in the dark, to be polygamous, to think you're bad and so forth.
They aren't bad.
We know that.
You talk to people.
People say, well, they're not bad for me.
They're not too bad.
And she says, she must be terrible for everybody else, even for me.
We did well past.
It's well past.
I'm utterly convinced that it's well past.
In fact, we have gotten to do a couple of positive things, which we will over a period of time.
It is not an analogy that I heard.
It isn't substance, Mr. President, so much as it is just more technique.
It's getting – it's interesting.
I think we're being hurt, in a sense, because we're being compared with ourselves.
Your leadership in foreign countries is so activist that people, and you get this from people, they say, well, my God, it might be hard to do this in a domestic field.
Can't you do something like that in a domestic field?
It's being awfully good in one area, and people say, well, gee, give us that same kind of boost in the other.
But the businessmen you talk to, the people we talk with around the country, they've never had it so good.
They're all talking about their profits up, their sales up.
But then they say productivity is bad, and you fellas have got to do something about it.
You've got to do something about what?
They've got marvelous profits, marvelous sales.
It's a state of mind.
We're trying something that I think is going to prove very interesting.
I don't believe in a hell of a lot of these
statistics, you know, the unemployment figures and others are based on polls.
They're based on statistical statistics.
And we're trying a thing with the Commerce Department where they, through their field services divisions, they have people all over the country and everyone is headed by
a political appointee of this administration, you know, Maury Sands has done a good job of being our man there.
Yeah.
To have them go out over the next 30 days and survey businesses individually and talk to businessmen and get sales projections and get profit projections, beat that all back in.
And I think that the Commerce Department could do a hell of a job in September pointing out
I have a hunch it may give us a much different reading than we can get.
Certainly give the business community a shot.
August is the month.
It's really not wise to try to do a hell of a lot when people aren't listening, are they?
Yeah.
Why do you think that?
No, people aren't.
People aren't.
It's the doldrums.
It's the August doldrums that happen.
It's the greatest vacation month of all.
Yes.
Everybody wants to get away.
It's a lousy month in most parts of the country.
They either stay, get away, or stay in the air-conditioned bedrooms, or if they are air-conditioned, go to the beach or ball games or something like that.
And then September comes, and then we get the general event.
People feel like getting back to work, they get more serious.
You watch the television ratings, and you see that
tremendous love that takes place during the month of August and how it picks up fast.
I just think people are less likely to be receptive to almost anything you do in August.
That's why we prefer not to do anything in August.
Some people are rushing around saying, well, we should do something now.
But I just don't think it's a good time.
I think you can set the stage.
Yeah, yeah.
We will, we must be on the economy on a positive basis.
Maybe you're very eager or something about it.
I realize that.
But I didn't want to do it so early that it appears to have failed or so late that it's been good psychologically.
So the timing is very important.
I think we might have very much in mind.
Psychologically, anything you do that is more hectic,
You would lose it if it were done now.
There are things that can be done to build up towards it, some of which I've suggested the kind that we get some of our cabinet members.
Talking about wrapping hard, and what Stan talks about, the businessman has to put the public interest ahead of his own from time to time.
How does he do this?
build a foundation for what you might want to do come autumn.
And they can start doing that now.
There are only two major labor problems coming up in the fall, as you know, the cold and the situation in the long-term.
And I think Janet Hodgson can start laying the foundation for that during the month of August and into September.
But beyond that, I wouldn't think there's anything
We're going to be able to do a little capture, the public move.
You just can't do it until people get serious with the whole thing.
And that's the one, that's the one tough thing that does come up, this whole situation.
Now, most of the, most of the big problems that are going to be later, thank God, and next year, it's going to be bad.
Some of the people you talk to are a little bit encouraging about it.
They think that
June to July holding as solidly as it did on our last unemployment.
And with the seasonal adjustment that gets cranked in for August, we may not come out too big.
We'll know better another week when we see the weekly figures that came out of August.
I think the story last week played pretty well.
The church that we had considered, it's here in the back, but one place there, that verse, that CBS screwed themselves, they went out and fled.
They got bad information.
They went out to 60% of neighbor forces and said, that was good.
And Jensen would give us a very good, very good break on it.
And ABC wasn't there.
So we did already know.
And the church that we got the literature around showing them everything.
And the full-time employee is holding firm on Genovilla.
I ran all over the country.
That chart is turned out to be really stupid.
So we might start using it.
What's your latest on Harris' idea?
I saw he ran his economical wishes, that it was perfectly proper, and it's probably good figures.
Well, he's an engineer, and he's not the first to take this.
The psychology of the economy will change.
I mean, his third, which is back here about six months afterwards.
But it may be a longer timeline because of the media reading.
He now realizes that.
Yes, sir.
And media tenants.
And also, psychology will change when we get some more positive stuff out, which we cannot do at this point.
He would recommend we go westbound now, is he, on the economy or does he?
No, no.
As a matter of fact, Mr. President, the reason he put before us that he did west, this will be shared on the economy.
He won't go home.
He's gone home next weekend.
He's got two next to him.
One's kind of interesting.
But the reason that he put it out there was he said, in August, it is going to do you much harm.
It's a good low point.
We're in the field now.
And we'll say that we'll be in the field for the balance amount of August.
I am convinced that this will begin to show an upturn in public attitudes.
He said it's just inevitable.
And he said, get this one out of the way now.
Hopefully, it is the little thing.
And then we can start in September showing them.
Let me tell you this, Johnny.
I'm not disclosing anything, Johnny, but it would be well for you to stay in the field if you could for about a year or so.
In other words, let's wait when I'm just going to see what I need to be able to understand.
I find people very positive.
I've had a lot of time, but I don't understand what he did.
But he can do that in a very small period.
Well, he does this now because he started a very extensive series.
He's doing all of his questions in-depth and with his largest national sample.
So he will be there for quite a while.
You can't overlook the presidential receptions.
Those things are more than meets the eye.
There's a, for whatever reason, people may be depressed about the economy, the rest of it, the warmth of the perception.
Every place.
Ohio, Iowa, Alabama, Oklahoma, New Hampshire, New Hampshire, and Maine.
Well, now that's, that's a, that's a pretty good input.
You know, it means that you, and I'm actually, especially I had politicians.
Well, I was going to say, it's not just how we see it, but it's how other people see it.
And I, I've talked to enough people now in Maine and New Hampshire who said it was really spectacular to do this.
Yeah.
extraordinary considering the time of the day, the time of the year, the cities you went to in the metro, which are most heavily Democratic areas, to get that kind of reception.
It really was extraordinary.
I think there's a reservoir of great confidence.
I think there's an evil
We have reporters today calling all of the Democratic candidates to ask them their comments on meetings.
trying to close it.
Great.
What about Jackson?
He's the first on the list.
It puts him in a hell of a position.
He just isn't defending it.
I don't mind that.
That too.
What about the Democrats?
Jackson's fine.
I just think they're fighting with each other.
I wonder what the Democratic candidates will, uh, will say to this, uh, this thing on, uh, meaning.
Well, they don't know.
I mean, there's not much they can say.
Meaning he's isolated himself.
Well, of course, I think this is all right.
I mean, I think in the case of me, too, that I'm, I think we have done extra miles and so forth, and he's now, he's an old man, and he's part of this.
Let's leave him out there a little while.
I don't think we ought to be even catering to him.
Do you agree?
I don't think he will.
I don't think he will.
Oh, no, no, no.
I'm not saying no.
That's what I told Rob today.
I asked him.
He said, I just said no comment.
Okay.
No comment.
We just won't say a word.
No, I think we won't buy it.
We don't care.
We can't.
We can't appear to our friends, Chuck, to those that think that we can't appear to be something around him.
He's getting the help, you know what I mean?
So I'm not going to hang him in for a while.
I think there is some minor things you can do, like call him on his birthday.
That's just purely personal.
And I don't want to have any public things here.
And I don't like that he's just a damn clever politician.
But I'll tell you, the Democratic candidate, Jackson, isn't talking this way.
Now, I've seen him several times and said, you've got to get to George and brief him on the China thing.
And I said, you know, as I sent you that memo, it's great that he found it.
That's a marvelous, marvelous for Democrats.
It gives him a hell of a problem.
It really does.
It puts him all by himself.
I think we're paying you to rise above it, Mr. President, and that he would like nothing better in terms of building him up than to take it all away.
I think you rise well above it, George, and let events take their course.
If he gets in as deeply as he did with Rick Jackson,
Be careful.
Let's go get on it.
Be safe.
I can't go.
I'm going to go over there to work.
I'm going to go to work.
I was going to drop this pie.
I, uh, on a little harder, I'm going to grab you some spices on religion for interesting, and I'd like you to get six copies of it.
Now, it was printed in 1949, and my guess is that it's going to be awfully hard to find, but, uh, you can, uh, put it down.
There's an awful good book finder here that's been finding some stuff for me that you don't know what it is.
This is an old book.
It's probably out of print.
It's got the heartbreak phrases.
Yes.
Well, the thing to do is, if you call us, we're going to buy some copies.
I want to send them to you.
This is an article for you to read, friends.
And I'll give you the letter another time.
When you said, when you were in Indiana, did anyone take out of your pocket, maybe your little three-by-five card holder or your three-by-five card to just get on?
Or did you lose any notes?
Did you lose any notes while we were in Indiana?
Someone said they had what they called a diary.
and that while you were shaking hands, that someone took it and first gave it to her.
The FBI is all cranked up, too.
I've told the FBI to go ahead, that they should pursue the thing, find out what it is, because some American Legion paper in Indiana has printed a story that they've got this secret diary of yours out of your pocket, and that it contains things that will blow the Washington political scene up.
Oh, do they say that?
Well, no, see, there's a reliable paper that just says it was a sort of a diary.
And I have any idea how you jot those down, because of course it wouldn't blow the...
You don't recall having lost anything.
That could happen.
One of your little white notes could fall out, but that was not entirely.
Well, the main thing is that he took it out.
He took it out.
You see, that's the point.
I thought he kept his diary.
There's no diary or anything like that.
That's the answer we've given, but the other question is
They want to find out first whether you don't be concerned about the diary.
You can just say that they can talk about it.
But they'd be on the wrong trail if they asked about a diary.
No, they already know you're talking about a diary.
I don't keep any diaries.
It could even be just those schedule cards, you know.
Yeah.
I was just so proud of being able to... Well, the schedule cards, of course, are not a diary.
Yeah.
Did he say it was a card?
Did he say it was a card?
I didn't write it down.
He just said, no, it said a diary.
But I thought maybe, you know, sometimes you carry those three-by-fives in a holster, and I thought maybe you had that in your pocket, and you might pick that up.
Well, those I do carry, and it could, I don't know, and they are more likely to fall out of a pocket than something like this, because they are...
You know, that kind of thing.
Or they'd be more easy to somebody right now.
Sure.
See, when you're leaning over, someone can grab them, occasionally.
But, uh...
It could well be that, because when I go out, I usually do not take any.
I always leave all my notes in the briefcase and leave only the little card.
The card for the meeting.
And the names of the people, you probably have the names of that little girl that introduced to the historical girl and some of that stuff.
Some of that might maybe...
Which you wouldn't miss afterwards because you wouldn't...
I can't go into that stuff later.
But I think if I'd made any notes, I would have known it myself.
You would have been looking for it?
Even notes of this sort.
Well, I don't even have notes of this sort that make me interested.
Oh, you know, I'm sure they're concerned because they're on both sides of the unit.
In fact, I mean, both my shaving hands are offensive.
Yeah.
They're not right in front of each other.
Oh, and Matt, he went down an aisle, you know, a rope aisle.
Oh, I see.
People were right close to him, crowded.
Yeah.
The kids, that's Indiana, it's your mother's place.
Oh.
People were close to you.
Somebody could easily have done it.
Could easily have done it, and it would have been great to be, you know, for a major offense.
Sure.
So he said he's got a barrier, so I'm going to let him go, right?
He had a big political stir in Washington there, so.
That's the case with Jack Kennedy.
That's the case with him as a person.
Oh, I never wrote anything down.
You said there was no diary available?
I was, uh, no, I, I, uh, I had a, I had a... Well, they have to ask them.
They have to ask them.
Oh, my poor English person.
I don't know what period of time it was.
I might have to know about the, uh, checking this or that or the other thing.
That was before China was... Well, don't worry.
I know nothing about China.
There wasn't, there wasn't anything about China.
I've never written a thing down about China.
I think this is the schedule card saying we do remember so-and-so or something like that.
It could have been something someone gave you, too, because sometimes you'd stick stuff in your pocket that people hand you.
Well, don't worry about it.
They found him.
Well, they had it by name, so it wasn't...
In another paper, they didn't give the name in the first paper.
Oh, well, it's in this one.
They have the name, so... Oh, the fellow... Why did the fellow put his name on it?
Yes, perhaps.
Obviously, there's no reason for the asshole to get so distracted.
I think all the police would be watching from now on if you didn't take something out of your pocket.
Well...
I'm looking for things I'd like to send in.
I wish I'd have thought of something on it when we went to the movies.
Good luck.
Good morning.
I'm sure you don't know this, but I'm in a briefcase.
Because it's always a possibility.
Always a possibility sometimes.
We raised that one.
We were just talking about it.
We took a Jackson speech.
And that means standard China.
No, I wasn't there.
of Harrison Poole.
Must have been.
We're studying the election.
You mentioned something to Steve Bowles.
He just said, yeah, yeah.
Peterson wants to come in today, and I want you to keep him off.
I don't want to get into that.
I don't want to do anything with him.
What do you want as his textiles?
Well, I've already signed a memorandum on that.
And I covered that with the planning.
And I gave this to him to send through the office today, and maybe you're
Alex hasn't got it over to him yet, but I believe he will.
Well, after he reads the memorandum, let me suggest that we make
I may talk about it late today, because I've got a question that I have to go over.
That may be what I do.
Human planning, I should talk about it before you go.
And we now are reduced to textual stuff.
You know, maybe you can just support it a little bit.
I don't get it.
It doesn't look like it.
That's the way it'll be.
And we'll be for the NAMP then.
The NAMP industry will have screwed itself by not taking anything at all.
And they're going to tell it beyond reason we're going to get on it.
It's quite all right.
They're going to fight for the wood built on it.
and see what the hell we can do.
Would you agree, John?
Yes, sir.
I think when you've got enough reason in the industry to think it's fine, we can go on and we want to play, and we work as hard as we can.
So we'll have a quarter bill.
And you got to go to Flanagan.
There's a memorandum that I wasn't able to tell you about today.
I don't know if I wrote it to Peterson.
I think I wrote it to Flanagan because he talked to me about another aspect of having Flanagan and Peterson talk.
And I'll talk to him later today after I finish.
And he'll tell us at 5 o'clock, 5.30, or, you know, tomorrow.
I'll be glad to talk to you about it.
Okay, so I think this is my talk for tea today.
At 3 o'clock.
Take the little mementos over and give them to her.
Okay.
And tell the babies it's nice gifts and so forth.
Maybe she would like to give them.
I would say the contacts and that.
I would say the gold and the contacts.
No, the contacts.
The little bronze contacts.
The unemployment figures come out September 3rd.
Monitoring Friday the 3rd.
For August.
Right.
Got it.
That's all we need.
Okay.
Good.
Five.
Six.
Seven.
All right.