{"conversationCode":"563-001","tapeNumber":563,"conversationNumber":1,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-563-001","startDateTime":"1971-08-13T12:59:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1971-08-13T13:36:00.000Z","startDate":"13-Aug-1971","startTime":"8:59 AM","endDate":"13-Aug-1971","endTime":"9:36 AM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Ehrlichman, John D.;","description":"On August 13, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon and John D. Ehrlichman met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 8:59 am and 9:36 am. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 563-001 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"OVAL","recordingDevice":"Oval Office","latitudeEstimated":38.8974,"longitudeEstimated":-77.0374,"chronCode":2,"chronRelease":"Second Chronological Release","chronReleaseDate":"26-Oct-2000","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 563-1\nDate: August 13, 1971\nTime: Unknown between 8:59 am and 9:36 am\nLocation: Oval Office\n\nThe President talked with John D. Ehrlichman.\n\n     Busing\n          -Boston case\n               -Federal action\n\n     President’s schedule\n           -Camp David\n\n     Busing\n          -Boston\n          -Administration's position\n               -National Association for the Advancement of Colored People [NAACP]\n               -George C. Wallace\n               -Ronald L. Ziegler\n               -Law enforcement","filename":["563-001.mp3"],"tapeStart":"00:17:40","tapeEnd":"00:20:41","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Ehrlichman, John D."],"prevCode":"562-007","nextCode":"563-002","transcript":[{"start":49.2,"end":69.7,"text":"What would you do, what would, what would you do on this then?"},{"start":69.72,"end":70.02,"text":"Just let it go?"},{"start":70.04,"end":70.52,"text":"How would you let it go?"},{"start":70.54,"end":70.74,"text":"Oh, I see."},{"start":70.76,"end":71.58,"text":"Well, you said we were in the case, John."},{"start":94.45,"end":95.97,"text":"We can't get it, everyone."},{"start":119.64,"end":135.44,"text":"So that they don't draw any kind of indication."},{"start":135.46,"end":138.88,"text":"I think I'll push that can't think of leaving back by 5.30 anyway so that'll be the time to do some Q&A thoughts next because you don't have to stand in the first meeting."},{"start":139.5,"end":160.9,"text":"Okay."},{"start":160.92,"end":162.66,"text":"With regard to the general position, just remind me, I think it's probably on this bus."},{"start":162.68,"end":163.53,"text":"There's sounds of P&J in the middle of it."},{"start":163.54,"end":164.09,"text":"We're being attacked today."},{"start":164.1,"end":164.77,"text":"There's a little ACP on one side."},{"start":164.79,"end":165.59,"text":"It involves the civil rights commission."},{"start":165.61,"end":166.05,"text":"It involves the other."},{"start":166.07,"end":167.09,"text":"And they're just going to stick right to the thing."},{"start":167.11,"end":167.65,"text":"They won't enforce the law."},{"start":167.67,"end":168.31,"text":"The law does not require busing."},{"start":168.33,"end":168.97,"text":"I mean, they got it on all week."},{"start":168.99,"end":169.51,"text":"Or you got it on all week."},{"start":169.49,"end":169.85,"text":"All right."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and John Ehrlichman consult on strategies for responding to political criticism regarding the administration's stance on busing and civil rights enforcement. The discussion focuses on maintaining a firm public position that the law does not mandate busing while managing the optics of ongoing attacks from opponents. Nixon instructs Ehrlichman to coordinate the administration's messaging and Q&A preparation to ensure a unified front in upcoming public appearances.","topics":["Busing","Civil Rights Commission","Political Strategy","Public Relations","White House Messaging"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T23:47:39.586Z"},"topicSlugs":["busing","civil-rights-commission","political-strategy","public-relations","white-house-messaging"],"audioDurationSec":182,"audioFiles":[{"file":"563-001.mp3","bytes":7295265,"durationSec":182.23,"bitrate":320260,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:51.012Z","findingAidSource":"nixonlibrary.gov subject log (2024-05), reslice-v2","findingAidUpdatedAt":"2026-09-18T08:44:01.416Z","transcriptGapSeconds":58,"transcriptGapShare":0.32,"transcriptQuality":"incomplete","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/563-001.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/563-001","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/563/conversation-563-001","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}