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Change the parking lot.

I'll have these here.

Let's see.

We'll just call the club.

We'll just call the club, yeah.

We had already, that helps because we had already apparently announced on the schedule that you were seeing Roger the second in.

Right.

Not the service secretary.

I will not see that at all.

Right.

Just saying that I'm deferring some of the, I'm going to defer some of my thoughts on the transit budget policy.

It's purely a handle on your side.

I just have about 30 minutes of trouble and I shouldn't be doing things just for the day that I have to.

There are no discussions going on.

Well, the service secretary told me to sit here and I was like, oh, I'm excited to get out there.

Two of me could be close to doing that.

But, uh, you see, these speeches are not happening.

It's true that a Catholic can't write.

It's not true that it is now.

It's, uh, it's fine.

It's, it's about what I thought, right, with 50.

It's all loose.

It's not really going to end up like that.

It can't, it can't end up like loose.

I may, I may spend a minute with him at some point.

I could.

Alright, now does that, does your quad have anything for you in it?

Uh, who do you, how do you want to expand that?

Who do you want in it?

Volker.

Stein.

Peterson.

Okay.

So it's Conley, Schultz, McCracken, and Burns, plus Volker, Stein, and Peterson.

Yeah, Denny and, you know, when we get further along, we get it.

I think they should go up there.

They're all

That's what I mean.

And look there, and then look there, and then work that night.

See what I mean?

So we've got the meeting right here.

If it's only the other round of urges on the schedule, it would look.

Do you understand how you're doing?

Sure.

Okay.

That's the way to do it.

It's a no-vote opportunity with the interns.

They, uh, we don't have to, we're going to do the, do what they want to do.

What he said was to just do a picture and let it go at that.

I said, do one of the problems.

They want the president.

Oh, I see.

Okay.

I don't think there's that.

They already have a presentation at the end.

I don't think that's a big thing.

We're going to have a shot at doing a picture.

Oh, yeah, well, I don't know.

He said it's, and he started to get a photo opportunity to move something out.

Oh, shit.

All right, we'll have it for a while.

But I want to pray that this man identified that picture.

I'm going to park around it, you know, because they got to walk in that rose garden.

I know this is going to come in here and so forth.

He said they negotiated it down.

Well, screw it.

The magazine's not that important.

Um, yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah, all right, I got this.

I got a picture of the camp.

All right, now, can we say on this weekend that you are taking, you know, you're going to Camp David with your, some of your, you know, combat tank?

Well, I just want to stop there and say tomorrow, and invite others up to discuss, and you can say to come and call out.

I mean, uh, I don't think you need to put out a, put out an eight bullet, an eight column headline, except I didn't know who goes to view.

All right, fine.

I'll let it go with me if you can't make it.

All right, all right.

I'll let it go with me if you can't make it.

I'll let

for a budget, put our money on there too, and that makes a budget.

All right, I know we should have just wanted a budget.

But the others, the others are not.

They're all satisfied with the voters and, you know, people like that.

The big problem with Burns is the fact that people, we can try and smuggle them in and out, but if Mrs. Burns says, Arthur, you know, can't pay them or something, we've got a problem.

Anything?

Well, you guys were right.

I suppose we gotta take him on this tour.

Well, we've already told him we can scratch it and say we're gonna be here instead.

Question is, do you wanna leave Arthur and not stay out of Washington?

No, no, no, no.

We want Arthur there.

Oh, if you don't understand, that's why we're taking the side.

I don't want him running with me.

I don't think that's necessary.

Neither do you.

Or does he?

So what I'm wondering is that maybe the lowest key thing is to have the quadriads, even if, say, you ask the quadriads to come on up and join you in a campaign for further budget discussions or something.

Yes, the principal people up there are going to have a big argument with me then.

I don't really think we should be able to change that.

I would like a slight logistical change.

Rather than talking about looking in burks so that I don't have the traffic that people

About the embassy meeting today, Mr. President.

What I thought, when Laird wants to present his defense budget, and I have to tell you, I failed in getting him to do it the way we wanted.

If you agree, I could start

by raising a number of the unsolved issues of defense.

Sulz agrees very much that it needs to be done.

That come out of our meetings.

I'm calling you for it.

And then let Laird present the budget.

And I've worked out with Packard and Schultz that he...

So if you would reserve a decision...

I'm going to reserve it.

We will work it out so that it comes out in the framework that we can handle without a tax increase.

and in which you can, but we can then tell them certain things that need to be done.

Everybody agrees that we can't go down to a division and desert in the Pacific.

Well, the main thing, Henry, that they're not fighting is the Air Force.

I read your paper here, for God's sakes, is wings for defense and all that, and certainly an island space, and the Air Force is stupid.

It's just very dangerous.

Then, if we

there and in Japan.

And we ought to sell that to the Chinese over a period of two to three years, rather than do it unilaterally.

I agree.

I mean, these are things we don't...

Your paper was very, very persuasive.

I'm not saying that because I was working on something else.

Right.

I just turned the table.

Now, one other thing.

Laird is going to raise it.

I wanted to warn you about it.

All right.

We have ordered him to keep the sortie rate in Vietnam high.

Please.

This has to come out of the force structure.

I wouldn't argue with him unless you feel inclined to.

The reason is it doesn't have to come out of the force structure.

He has always budgeted for forces that are larger in Vietnam than the ones we've actually got there.

He's projected a smaller withdrawal rate.

And then he hides the savings.

So he's got lots of savings that he plays with, and that Schultz and I are trying to find out what he does with.

And we can handle this administratively.

And of course, you and I know we have no intention of staying at that rate anyway.

But it's better that he shows it in his budget, because it's a good thing.

And if we let him move off it, he'll move too many planes out of there.

But I just want you to be aware of it.

if it comes up so that you know what the issue is.

I think that the other one I've mentioned to you, when he wanted to move the A1s out of Thailand, those are the main that planned it.

And that's already been stopped, so there's no...

It's an unbelievable situation.

The RASs won't be there.

It's nothing serious.

I just talked to him.

It's just the first blood vessel.

He thought for a while it was a retina thing, but it's clear now it isn't.

And he just feels he looks so bad that he doesn't want to appear again.

We're not going to discuss that because I know it's important, but we're not going to decide that.

So I just want to say, if it's my big discussion, it should take more than 15 minutes.

Well, it ain't long to do one, but I just meant, I don't say anything, and I want to just get it over and get out of there.

So I understand that we don't want to decide anything.

I don't want to see the service secretary today.

I'm not ready to talk to him.

Okay.

Right.

Okay.

Everything else is all right.

Everything else, I saw some activity in the DMC area.

I think if they start an offensive across the DMC, we've got to hit the point.

Of course.

You're leading now.

I'm leaving on Sunday, and I don't intend to say anything new.

That's what I mean.

I don't need to talk to you.

What I'll do is to package what I've already told them into a different sort of...

Just a minute, folks.

A little different.

But nothing will have come over it this time.

And, you see, on the Chinese, what I plan to do is to tell them, give them the main provisions of the accident treaty, and tell them if you flunk out the two provisions, it would have affected them.

I'll tell them about the visit of the immigrant reactors.

The others that will be in our city later.

I'll tell them, and I...

Remind them that as soon as we have a treaty with the Russians, there may be a summit proposal where that might come out in the next four weeks, but we will be meticulous in keeping that in mind.

It's important that we have a way out of here, and that we have a way out of the Russians getting what we need so much.

We've talked it all through, and we've tried to resolve it.

That's the best that I can say.

Just don't get caught.

This side.

Using a different route.

That's right.

I don't know.

Even though, now I'm trying to figure out what the, if I had it.

Now I'm trying to figure out what the, if I had it.

I don't think they will.

You tell them not to.

They know how important it is.

Or do you really need to give me the guard right now?

Do you really?

Yes, we have it.

Bob, there are very complicated things in here, which, you know, Sean Connolly doesn't understand hardly at all, and Schultz has some understanding, and so, you know, you've got to give him a crack, and he doesn't get his head screwed on tight enough.

He's kind of got something, so I agree.

Hope's there.

I mean, that's one thing.

Would it make less of a stir if he met with the quadriad up there rather than being with him here and then going up there?

We can take a stab at them, get them in there on the top.

I'm saying so, but when you have the secretary of the trade union, the chairman of the fed, not available.

All right, some, some fog in town, and something's up in the prison.

We're talking about economy being back, which the word is out in a few years.

The main thing is, I just don't want a cigarette to make a big announcement about it.

I agree.

And there's always part of that problem.

But the other side of this, if he says something, that makes a bigger thing out of it than, alright, alright.

The thing is, how, what can we say that... See, they know you were going to be looked after today.

If you were to say that that was a far-fetched idea, that you're going to be at Camp David and say that you wanted to spend some time going over the budget, overall budget, and sort of, you know, wrap up your hearings with the NSC this morning,

The easiest track to throw off on is the budget, it seems to me.

Whether ARPA fits into that or not is problematic.

Yeah.

I don't know why not.

Sure.

You want to review the budget with the quadriads and then you're going to spend the weekend going, you know, getting the budget stuff organized.

They're, they're, yes.

Yeah.

They stay as long as they want.

Maybe they come back.

Maybe they come.

Right.

Maybe they did.

Right.

That's my point.

They're weird enough.

They got $3 this morning.

They got $4 this afternoon.

That's what I mean.

They're, they're, they're, they're not.

No, I think, maybe, so he said, all that inquiry, I just, I think it was just.

They just said, you, you booed your inquiry.

I think you can't do it.

Because it's such a nice weekend.

It's a nice weekend.

So I just thought they would like the chance.

I'm glad that they can't do it.

I'm not inviting them to the meeting.

I haven't paid that service.

I'm up there for a quadrat meeting.

You can't take it.

Fine.

We'll do it.

You can go and put the whole, all the parts on my, on the quadrat.

I haven't handled it anyway until later.

So just have Rose come up with her.

Is that clear?

Okay.

Are you still on Sapphire?

Yes, sir.

Right.

Now you're back.

We're back on the engine then?

I'm two.

No one.

Is it taking an hour to get up there?

No.

Two thirty.

Yeah.

Two thirty from here.

With the quadri-edge.

And then we'll send the backup people in the other helicopter.

You don't want to meet with the backup people in O'Neill, is that right?

At that, at your 3 o'clock meeting, you don't want them, and you do, you want to go up there and start it.

Go up there and start it, that's all.

And Peterson.

Yeah, Peterson.

We'll set that up ahead of time.

And then go up at 8 a.m. Yeah.

It's going to take you just some time over and over to prepare something.

It's unbelievable, but that textual thing that he put together, it's just a... Christ stops at the big picture.

Why?

Well, why is he going on and on and on and on about it?

Expressing everybody's view of shit.

I mean, everybody's views.

He finally comes down.

He said, so many meant this and so many meant that.

And, well, he didn't say, well, I didn't do this and that.

He doesn't quite understand it.

I think Henry probably doesn't want to learn how to do it well.

John would.

It'll take time.

John will.

Because it takes time for people around you to learn how to do those things correctly.

Yes.

Now Schultz has raised the question, not for meetings with you, but for their own backup of having wine burger up there, and possibly weather.

Not that, not weather.

No, we don't need weather.

Weinberger on the budget stuff.

I asked.

I already told Schultz he could have it.

He didn't raise the budget with me.

I raised Weinberger's name, I think, and he said he didn't need it.

That's what he said in the open meeting.

Now he's raising it again.

He shouldn't raise his name.

It's gone now.

Put him on one of those camps in the suburbs.

I raised it.

I said, do you want Weinberger?

He says, no.

I said, probably leave him on as a voter.

So that's that.

So it's up to them.

I wanted the kid.

Let me tell you the problem.

All these halls tend to take two and a half people.

Yeah, you know what I mean.

They take the whole fucking staff up there.

Now, that doesn't work.

I want them to get up there and paint themselves, and they can use the telephone and a few other things.

Now, they're trying to become as much of a self-contained individual as they can, so they aren't getting a lot of stuff out of any of them.

They can pay 40 if they want, if it's necessary.

Just don't bother them.

Okay.

As far as the meetings are concerned, well, we'll just have that.

Okay, I may have a sapphire in the general meeting in order to get a deal on the targets to go.

If you would, tell Price that, you know, maybe we just don't put out any of the best things on the task force.

I don't know.

So did you get Price's speech by the fellow?

Yeah.

Checkered?

Yeah.

Would you also get a copy of the speech that the great-grandfather made at Rockford College?

It's over in my briefcase.

I don't know.

Give that to him, too, would you?

I'm trying to get, I'm trying to get my understanding.

Andrew's is better than me.

The other fellow is very much better.

Just like her son's like a religious trash.

I don't think we should go up there, Colin.

Hey, Colin, I said you're right.

You can speak to our family, talk to your parents, and call us.

What?

I had both rewritten, down to a thousand words, using the straw man stuff.

Then he'd say that this is a God damn sure lie.

And that zero came particularly in the BFW thing.

And the BFW didn't pick up the rocker guy's speech about a little of that.

They tried a little of that on both of those.

Tried to do the straw man thing.

Because there are no cheer lines in the BFW speech.

And you've got to put three or four in it.

Poor Christ, he just doesn't believe in him, you see.

And he knocks the others out of him.

You don't have to speak to him.

The whole goddamn group.

Glenn.

I know that, and I'm not surprised, that the Democrats, in fact, are the weakness of our probably centennial commission.

He is a weak one.

Remember, I told you about it earlier, but I thought we should get some stronger names on it.

You know, they don't have it.

It may be that, uh, I'll be about college, you know.

I don't know.

It may be, you know, uh, is he having that in mind?

Yeah.

No.

I thought that you addressed the fact that she's been a couple of now more Democrats on, you know.

Slutting down the crates.

Get my point?

Yeah.

But, uh, I don't know how that was dropped between the stools.

I don't catch vibration there.

No, see, if it's an ongoing commission, it is called yours to begin with.

Okay.

But I've already said all that, and we've been gradually thinking, just don't replace the old lava again.

It's like, uh, there's not a lot of movement, and that bothers me.

Oh, he just, he is doing it over that side.

Who's works on that side of the fire?

No, I thought it was Garmin.

Well, Garmin has been working on it from here.

He's been in contact so and so.

One other small logistical thing, Rose Races.

It probably is maybe Jenna.

And she says she's got a hell of a long list of preachers who want to come to the whole church services.

And there's a man, Grant, who will pray or sometimes baptize somebody else and preach.

He doesn't even baptize himself.

He preaches.

Do you talk to him?

Have you talked to him?

He's, uh, I mean, I don't, I think he probably...

I don't know unless he raised it with you, but I guess referring to him earlier, is it that he'd prefer not to, that he's done it too, and if he had wanted to know what else he's done?

Okay.

Well, at least, at least invite his mother, even with the old man.

And he can come too, I would invite him.

Unless somebody else would be the preacher.

But be sure it's a Protestant now.

One other thing, if she puts on... Get a recommendation from him.

Yeah, get a recommendation from him as to what kind of preacher his mother would like.

Now, let me say, he won't recommend, but as Rose said, one of the favorite questions, Oral Roberts, he's a big dealer.

You can't have him with the other.

She doesn't understand these things, but you can't have a big dealer in the White House now.

He's a good preacher.

I mean, he's one of those...

He's really commercialized.

He's cooey.

Well, I think that's the best way to handle it.

I think you've got to have them come up.

And will you?

Do you take the responsibility for seeing that they're all happy and comfortable and everything, who should get their meals and so forth?

You said, when I work, I've got to be alone.

Then I just must not feel that I've got to have a comment over dinner, or a heart over dinner, or drinks, or anything.

I think you should tell them all.

I don't care at work.

I take them to work.

We've thrown all the people out.

You see, usually we have the aides and stuff.

I don't have aides or laurels, and I've thrown all of them out.

We've got it all set so that we don't need any aides.

We didn't fuck them.

And aides and two helicopter pilots and a health secret service agent and a doctor.

But they're going to just have to eat down and throw them or something.

I just told them they can't be there.

They can work it out.

They can leave it at the commander's cabin and have it for dinner or something like that.

I don't know how that works, but that's their problem.

Just don't worry about it.

We've got it set so that they will have very good accommodations and will be fully taken care of.

I assume they'll be working, but if they're not, we can have a lease for them and not even go over and follow up on everything else they're working on.

They've got the swimming pool, they want to fix the table, they want to fix the pool.

They're swimming with the genitals here.

If you would drop the price a little bit, huh?

See if we can get another wagon of this, and I'll have it for you Tuesday morning.

Is it going to do better?

Oh shit.

I won't be able to look at your content then, that's my problem.

Well, it keeps things fairly clear.

Tell me, um, if you do one of the things I'm going to see, uh, could you, would it be possible at this point to knock the car off or, I don't know, could we get somebody this natural as possible?

Well, that's going to be a boy with a whole hell of a lot of dinner or anything with Martin or anything.

There is nothing.

I arrived at the parking, there hasn't been either, five o'clock, five eight, absolutely all night on it.

I still haven't prepared, but see, I'm not going to be able to do any preparation for any of this stuff between now and I'm going to stay blocked out until Tuesday, Tuesday morning, see?

Yep.

Oh.

So if you're clear on the parking, you get there, go right to your cabin, the house there, and you have nothing at all like that.

Catch me if you can.

What do you know?

That species is a problem.

Yeah, that's a better way to get at it.

We just send it down to Buckership.

If you knock that, it gets us a cover, and then you're all three in there from the moment.