{"conversationCode":"563-004","tapeNumber":563,"conversationNumber":4,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-563-004","startDateTime":"1971-08-13T16:16:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1971-08-13T16:18:00.000Z","startDate":"13-Aug-1971","startTime":"12:16 PM","endDate":"13-Aug-1971","endTime":"12:18 PM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"certain","participants":"Nixon, Richard M. (President); Ziegler, Ronald L.;","description":"On August 13, 1971, President Richard M. Nixon and Ronald L. Ziegler met in the Oval Office of the White House from 12:16 pm to 12:18 pm. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 563-004 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"OVAL","recordingDevice":"Oval Office","latitudeEstimated":38.8974,"longitudeEstimated":-77.0374,"chronCode":2,"chronRelease":"Second Chronological Release","chronReleaseDate":"26-Oct-2000","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 563-4\n\nDate: August 13, 1971\nTime: 12:16 pm - 12:18 pm\nLocation: Oval Office\n\nThe President met with Ronald L. Ziegler.\n\n      President's schedule\n            -Quadriad\n                  -Ziegler's conversation with H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman\n                  -Camp David\n                  -Budget and economic planning\n\nZiegler left at 12:18 pm.","filename":["563-004.mp3"],"tapeStart":"01:08:40","tapeEnd":"01:10:01","participantsList":["Nixon, Richard M. (President)","Ziegler, Ronald L."],"prevCode":"563-003","nextCode":"563-005","transcript":[{"start":2.04,"end":16.96,"text":"And uh, said that we had a, we had a clock that had to be scheduled at 7 and I decided to"},{"start":17.33,"end":32.77,"text":"And, uh, you'll be out there working on a disassociation budget planning and motivation for the weekend."},{"start":32.79,"end":34.49,"text":"And if you don't say anything about the quadrants, are they going to spend any money?"},{"start":34.51,"end":34.77,"text":"I don't know."},{"start":34.79,"end":35.83,"text":"Are you thinking anybody's going to spend any money?"},{"start":35.85,"end":36.17,"text":"Yes, I think so."},{"start":36.19,"end":37.23,"text":"There's a nice setting for their schedules for that."},{"start":37.25,"end":38.82,"text":"And the president is not going to be excited to make sure it goes on his head."},{"start":38.84,"end":40.08,"text":"He's not going to be excited to make sure it goes on his head."},{"start":40.38,"end":50.79,"text":"The story hasn't moved, but it's still a problem."},{"start":50.81,"end":51.31,"text":"The budget and economics."},{"start":51.33,"end":52.3,"text":"I guess that's the last part of this one, right?"},{"start":52.31,"end":52.94,"text":"I mean, I'll try to open it up."}],"aiSummary":{"text":"President Nixon and Press Secretary Ronald L. Ziegler met to finalize scheduling and strategic messaging for an upcoming meeting at Camp David. The discussion centered on the 'Quadriad' economic summit and the broader coordination of budget and economic planning. They addressed concerns regarding public perception and potential economic leaks, with Nixon emphasizing the importance of managing the administration's narrative on these financial matters.","topics":["Economic policy","Camp David","Federal budget","Public relations","Quadriad"],"generatedAt":"2026-04-06T23:47:56.788Z"},"topicSlugs":["economic-policy","camp-david","federal-budget","public-relations","quadriad"],"audioDurationSec":57,"audioFiles":[{"file":"563-004.mp3","bytes":2299607,"durationSec":57.35,"bitrate":320792,"missing":false}],"audioIsShared":false,"audioProbedAt":"2026-09-18T02:19:51.333Z","audio":["https://nixon.nyc3.digitaloceanspaces.com/audio/563-004.mp3"],"url":"https://www.easynixon.org/tapes/563-004","nixonLibraryUrl":"https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/white-house-tapes/563/conversation-563-004","license":"Public domain (U.S. Government work). AI-generated fields (transcript, aiSummary) are provided as-is without warranty."}