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See this right here?

Whatever we can have, all it does in this case is do the pictures.

The skin's gonna be better than we got in.

They've got me to do the pictures.

So, when magazines actually want to have their guys come in and they want to do something, there's a 90% chance that it all will happen.

There's a 10% chance that I'll have to make one of their tools better.

And maybe only because of time.

I'll just hand it to the photographer and I just think they ought to make it sooner.

I agree, and that will help save them a lot of money, because you know, most of them, they all hire freelancers, they think it's $2,000, but it's $3,000.

And we'll give them a nice $3,000.

It's a very nice, comfortable company.

It's a great company.

It's one of the best.

Clearly one of the roles.

Did you hear about the fact that we have a new candidate this weekend?

Yeah, not.

The last four years that Pat has not been done.

Oh, she doesn't have money.

Because we're all ready for a trip.

Fine.

Well, that's good.

That'll be better.

If she doesn't go, it'll be better.

If she does go, what I want you to do is if she doesn't go, I want you to ride right up with her, okay?

Yes.

Well, would you mind checking it out, Rosewood?

I've got this...

I've got a chair for you, essentially.

Maybe that's the case you should go without steaming or anything.

But otherwise you can go with her and keep her occupied until I get them cleared out of acid.

Because I don't need you to go tomorrow afternoon on the track.

But you could be up there so that we can get ready to work or something.

And uh... That she may do something like that.

That's the one I didn't give you that she brought yesterday.

I can't get her to do that because I'm going to be tired.

Mrs. Shaft is walking on...

Si, Pa. Si, Pa. Si, Pa. Si, Pa. Si, Pa.

So I'm just going to work all the time.

So I think it's just love.

And, and, and, and.

I don't need to do anything but I need to sit outside all night working just to get a little sun right there.

She worries I got to do something about television.

Okay, bye, bye, bye.

Before you leave, tell her you hope she has a good trip.

Oh, I'll call her.

Yeah, I'll call her.

Because I don't need that.

See?

Yeah, Mrs. Johnson's feeling good.

Oh, she's just walking on top.

I don't know if I can mention her name.

She didn't know who I am.

The program was fine, but it was long.

Everything was too long.

But the first night was really the most magnificent thing I've ever heard.

It was ridiculous.

It was fun.

They didn't use microphones.

It was all just the natural acoustics.

They had these kids.

They're a youth company.

So they had an amplifier.

And it wasn't as perfect as spectacular.

It was the same show we saw last year.

In the LA Music Center at the Dorothy Chandler Dinner.

Yeah, what's that?

You didn't have to walk out there in those horrible costumes to look at the field.

The costumes across the hall have a lot of money.

Yeah, it takes a little time to do the fire, but you know, so there's... Is that what you said?

Yeah, they had to burn the fire, and they're trying to... Just before she was ready to open it, it burnt down.

The only thing she has heard is that you will be well.

Sorry, it's easier and easier here on where it's got a schedule of lines involved, right?

You know, this came up the other night, and I think Kat had heard it, and they got up to her, and it's like that women's conference here, that she's got, that's not necessarily happening twice, no, see that's,

Pat is supposed to give a reception.

So she is not supposed to go to the dinner.

You are supposed to drop by the dinner and just say hi.

Because Pat actually had already... Well, what happened?

They accepted it.

Two things were saying that.

Pat accepted Philadelphia.

And Chris had actually forgotten to mark it down.

Those dinners are hanging.

Hey, those dinners are just cheering.

I can't just drop in and out with it.

No, I can't.

So, all right, that's fine.

I'm all set.

Just a little bit of something.

You've got the Attorney General's health service working from your other office.

Thank you.

And should we use that perch and bird housing?

Or do you still want more perch?

We don't need it.

Do you want to get a perch out?

I don't need it.

You're going to get more privacy in Aspen anyway, don't you, Aspen?

I don't agree with that.

You want to see people, you can call them into Aspen and send them around.

And that's a better room for meetings than the room in Perch, isn't it?

The first is a great place to have is a couple of feet away.

So, when you were in high school or college, there were some of those in the White House.

I guess Henry Green was with me.

They have all kinds of stuff that they get to do while they're here.

Sure.

I haven't heard of any of those.

I want to see you before I get involved.

You might as well stay here as long as I can.

Go ahead.

Mel called.

I haven't told him about the service secretaries.

He just said that two of them came back on leave and they are looking forward to seeing you.

I just wanted you to know in case it affected any decision.

I don't think you're needed.

My problem with it is that I've got something more important to do.

You can't do it today.

I think it went extremely well Secondly

No, I thought what you said, and Laird is already shifting course.

He now figures he can get 15 divisions, and he can have three in the Pacific, and he doesn't think it will cost all that extra money.

It was really an amazingly crooked presentation he made.

These air wings, for example.

Okay, what else?

terms of family.

It's going to get very rough, and that also the Indians are doing a lousy job with the refugees on their side of the border.

And he's worried that when Kennedy comes back, he will blow the roof off.

And he also thinks, and I'm agreeing, I agree, although I haven't told him that, that in our present organization, the government, we just won't get on top of this problem.

He recommended, and then when George Bundy called

to have the relief effort before Kennedy gets back so that we take him over.

Bundy recommended a number of names.

One of them is William Eberle.

I don't know whether you know him.

I don't think he's got one yet.

It would be just two months.

Another one... Well then maybe if we could, he could put this up for two months.

And I think if we could announce that early next week, another man that we could consider, well Roy Ash is a possibility, a guy who'd kill himself for us although he's a Democrat,

is James Perkins, a guy who was such a disaster at Cornell.

The only reason is if we rehabilitate him, he'd have standing with a bleeding heart, and he'll kill himself for us.

He's fine.

He'll live in a car.

He'll maybe build one at home.

Roger's fine.

I think it'd be a good thing.

I don't know.

I don't give a damn if it's a Democrat or a Republican.

It's a lousy job.

He loves people and all that.

He's the best.

But I think it would be a great move.

Let me tell you, because this is going to happen while you're gone, but we're going to Camp David, and we are going to make a...

This is going to be kind of told by Peterson.

It's why I've taken him out there to keep that nausea.

But I'm going to make a speech on Monday with regard to the...

The International Monetary Fund is supposed to go over to the ocean.

And it's important to tax the 10%.

Or something we haven't worked that out yet.

Or maybe under the Act, or something we haven't figured out.

And that's the only international part of it.

It'll be October.

See, they'll close the gold window.

They were going to have import tax, wage price freeze, you know, it's going to be a big deal.

But many of the other things are going to be import tax, which in the purpose of that basically is to get a bargaining position with other countries in terms of getting them to revalue the Japanese.

It will also help to an extent.

I was saying to Bob that it is a company.

Peterson's paper on that is gobbling through a bunch of stuff.

I never saw any kids about it.

It isn't really setting forward options, he said.

Did you read that?

They don't understand the principle of...

Because Earthman will often be like three options, and no recommendation, and no, they aren't really options.

They're sort of different views.

Yeah.

Well, Michael, I didn't think it was the men who got to come down and say, the man, the advisor, has to come down and say, I've examined this, and I believe this.

I recommend this.

And some are saying he's proposed to a job.

And we are not getting that from that planet, and that's quite well.

Yes, but usually.

You have to grind him down because he wants to keep grinding.

He's so absorbed that he wants to educate you completely on the whole subject.

Also, one ought to get this memo, a memo to you or to separate issues that are relevant to a president from issues that are kicking around at the lower level.

You don't have to educate him on the entire subject.

I had

Now those were, that was another conservative group of congressmen.

It went very well except on defense.

Act with China, I handled the evolution.

Defense, they are really hung up on politics.

I put it to them and I explained some of the facts.

And where do I think I may come in?

Thank you sir.

We have got a problem because of what has developed in the past week.

It should be run by the U.S.A. test case at this particular time in the school.

And the options are rather limited.

We're talking about Columbia, South Carolina, which occurs in a lot of

There is a plan that has been developed by the school board.

They had a four to three vote on one school.

And then after they resolved that, it's unanimous.

It requires some busing, and actually it requires 2,000 more students out of 39,000 to be bused.

There are two reasons for the additional busing.

Number one, of course, the growth of the population, plus a change in the school law down there that provides for further busing.

But basically, the districts have been made larger in order...

to pair off the schools and get the blacks and whites within a district where they go to the school.

And some of them are over two miles apart, so they need some busing in connection with that.

It retains about six, whether it could be considered all black schools.

So it's a marginal plan with respect to the legal aspects of it.

ATW has not participated in its preparations.

They do, however, of course, have to advise the school district as to whether or not it complies with the SWAN decision vis-à-vis their federal aid.

The situation is postured to the point where ATW could say, yes, the plan is sufficient, and that's all there is to it, they not having participated in it.

The fact of the matter is that the community down there is not for it, needless to say, even though the school board is putting it forward.

So the point is that there undoubtedly will be newspaper stories about the fact, on both sides, there's a threat from NAACP to intervene, which of course won't be bad if they do with these black schools.

You mean intervene against the plan?

Against the plan.

And it's certainly...

will be considered as a minimum plan, I would believe.

Now, the point is, Mr. President, and I think this is something where we won't be coming back to you, we have really a hard choice in these areas where we just say the hell with it and not enforce the laws and get into a confrontation with the courts, which of course will go beyond the school issue into a bigger issue.

Or,

We keep the lowest possible profile in trying to work our way through these situations like will be the case here in Columbia, South Carolina.

Well, what you really did down to, I guess, is basically that you're putting them in exactly the same proposition you had in Austin, isn't it?

Since what I mean is, and I say in fact the same, the question why it is that ours we were concerned that there we had no appeal because it didn't apply with the law.

And so we lost all of our friends as a result of it.

Now Margaret's trying to work out a plan.

In this case, we approve it to...

It's a local plan.

We simply say it does comply with the law.

That's all I would say.

I wouldn't want to make a goddamn speech about it, but that would be my reaction at the present time.

I would like to do less.

I would like frankly to extend the schoolhouse door, but we can't do that.

What do you recommend?

We've got to get it done.

I hope that I say too.

Can't you simulate a little of that?

Oh, I'm sure you can.

All right.

Take a look up.

Take a lacy piece of that.

Because are they saying, are they asking ATW not to approve it?

Can you get that story out?

And apparently they have communicated with ATW.

I'm not exactly sure what they've said.

There are strong opposition to this party before you develop this plan on the ground that does not comply.

And I think she doesn't even comply.

And in that area, Ed, this litigation against Richardson, Pottinger, and the rest of them for not enforcing the civil rights statutes and so forth, we ought to get more publicity out on that.

It occurred to me yesterday.

Is that what David was talking about?

No, no.

This was started quite a while ago, but it's an ongoing thing with the civil rights leaders.

They're suing H.E.W.

for not enforcing the civil rights actions.

But the prosecutor's depositions are ongoing and so forth.

I think this would be open.

Does anybody have any other ideas?

No, sir.

Except, I think it's a lot of good work, and we've discussed this, it's awfully important what ATW says, form their release.

And if they can simply say, we have reviewed this from the standpoint of compliance, and agreed to fund, not we approve this plan, not...

Anything that it needs no efficiency.

And if another plant came in, we might remove that.

Write a letter for them.

Send it over to me.

That's what you have to do.

We have a question.

This plan has been submitted in the question of service as to whether or not we can, whether or not it meets the standards, so it will enable us to fund it.

We find that it does meet those standards, and we will fund the plan.

Don't praise it.

Don't damn it either way.

That's what we want.

Is that the best way?

Yes, sir.

Are you going to fund Dallas?

We're in a better shape in Dallas now because the courts saved that plant.

They aren't under that gun in January.

We met with the mayor.

He was content to talk to somebody to look at this problem.

So at least they're under the gun.

They are not under the gun at the moment because the courts saved that plant.

Austin and Corpus Christi.

Ed feels that you should not have any meetings with anybody in Dallas on this food problem.

Where can you meet anybody in Dallas on anything?

It's very tight.

There's hardly time for me to make a speech.

Yes, I talked to him last night on that as well as textile, but that's another subject.

I think we ought to review that thing and see what we can do there.

The reason it's heating up is that an anti-busting candidate defeated several others and is running against the mayor, claiming or prophesying that he can stop any kind of busing.

If I understand you, the soliciting campaign contributions from Housewives saying this goes here, it shouldn't be, is to stop busing.

And even then, the responsible people who are against busing are scared the hell out of us.

Now, look, our position as though the trial is not against him is that we, what we are saying, we're against busing.

We are saying at the court that we are for compliance with the law and that where minimal busing is required, we are supportive.

Right.

That's a sound position.

And we just urge everybody to search every possible way to avoid busing.

God will also have them picked a better case.

Smart son of a bitch.

Thank you very much.

I think that has to relate to what's going on in Congress and a few other things because in September they'll all be out.

There won't be any Congress to submit it to.

Yeah, I guess you're right.

I asked Tim to take a reading on that today.

He's getting some inquiries about our position on the Baker Constitution.

And I have to kind of test the water and see just how much interest there is and what the future is going to hold.

But we all understand what the situation is.

We, of course, have to comply with the law.

And whether it's with Wallace, we should not order by Wallace.

In this case, I think that's a very stupid case to file.

I mean, you can't file a case that you agree with.

It doesn't require you to file a case.

She doesn't have music at the school she's going to.

That's why she's majoring.

She's going to drop out of school.

But there's nothing before us.

It points out school isn't open.

So the reason is that you probably shouldn't learn music anymore.

But the point is that we've got to be positioned to where...

We're just going to take it from both sides.

I don't care about the liberal side.

I don't care about the fact that banks are here all the time.

That helps us.

The Civil Rights Commission and Hesburgh and liberals and all the rest can tell us about the fact that we are being busted.

Does that bother you?

Hell no, it doesn't.

There's a stimulant on the other side of the coin.

We have got to, our responsibility requires us to carry out the law, to prove the law, to prove the man they know.

That's why you want me to be a law citizen.

Well, I want to be a law citizen.

We do have that problem now, there's no question about it.

There's lots of districts that are in compliance that want to change their plans or those that are submitting plans that apparently want to revise them.

So we have that problem, no question.

We shouldn't exist.

It all depends on what you describe as minimal busting.

I mean it's enough to comply with whatever the...

Some of them actually have less busing in them because you don't leapfrog the black and white schools.

You start pairing them and there's less busing involved.

It's hard to generalize.

Sir, do you have any other thoughts?

No, I don't.

If you're satisfied with this, I think this is good.

If we can keep control of the bureaucracy, I think it's fine.

And it's just writing the letter.

Any letter on this is to be submitted to the White House.

It doesn't matter whether it's a market or a group.

It doesn't matter.

But they're not going to go out with that.

We're, uh, the general, our appeal in Austin is pretty, it's a pretty good indication of our good faith, isn't it?

Jesus Christ, we've been over the objections of Tower, and, uh, oh God, and Congress, didn't we?

God, everybody was against our appeal, so we appealed.

So that satisfies those who say we can enforce the law, but we can never satisfy those who say it.

who really want to destroy the school, frankly, the South.

That's really what they're after.

They're really after that.

One more trip down there and I'm afraid Morgan's going to get it wrong.

Absolutely, certainly.

He's coming in and having a good time.

I've been trying to treat George Wilson and Martin of all changes.

Martin, listen, listen.

Martin has always been a rain.

He's a goldwater.

I don't know.

I'll be prepared if you want me to.

If you want to call me to sort of save the years and so forth.

You may want to do it some other way, but you may all be ready to do that.

There are outlying various possibilities.

There ain't anything I'm not good at.

I will.

I want to just mention one thing to you.

The school district lawyers from all over the South are having a secret session.

I'd like to send Morgan down there to sit with them on a secret basis, an off-the-record basis.

I think we can.

And it will, I think, improve vastly.

It would compromise the hell out of their, what do you want to say, market issues comes in there?

Okay, excellent.

Okay.

Well, look, there's no answer to the problem.

And even if we took a position, let's say, look, if we took a position of all-out busting, we never got an actual revolt in our hands.

Don't you agree, Bob?

Absolutely.

What do you think, George?

There is something that's harder to challenge.

Well, he has an association of a couple of liberal commentators here.

That's what I'm saying, huh?

Well, that's got an invitation for me, a guy in Austin, to come to a meeting.

So, I think we'll let it go.

Well, good luck.

Well, let's take a look.

The way I've got this going to sound, Sam, the way I've got it planned around is this.

The great problem with this story is that...

And you can see this is evolving.

That Arthur and Peter Peterson and to an extent McCracken, although he's already had his say, now he will come.

We will feel incumbent upon in the fight of the prophets.

No, we're not interested in the prophets.

I mean, so we're going to start right off and say, oh, everybody agrees there's a crisis and we've got to do something about it.

I said, all right, let's flip these names over and let's see which ones of them are viable.

So I think in other words, we better control them.

Otherwise, he was just going to come up with, he's got a few torturous memorandums made on textiles, which is totally intolerable, which indicates that he's the only exporter.

We have an export subsidy in affecting the exit back.

This, by the way, is that the sign that goes over there.

So you got it.

Then you bring it in.

Well, that's it.

That's the kick he's on.

His kick basically is limited to a second import tax, an order tax, and an export subsidy.

Not limited, but that's pretty much what he's pushing at the moment.

Now that's not irrelevant.

I mean, it's irrelevant to the broader discussion.

So what I'm going to do is to get the damn thing in the channel where we really discuss the subjects of issue.

When the subjects of issue, George, come down, in the real times, if you will, are...

The, uh, the import tax, uh, you've got the living legal opinion on the, uh, we've got, uh, John told me this morning, you know, the city, the city, he thinks he can give us a permanent opinion on that relatively.

when we can, but that you can unilaterally under what authority gap or or as I understand it any law or national security or what as I understand it I will get this better I'm sure the Trade Act of 62 under which negotiations were conducted resulted in reductions in tariffs under

Now, then, so you have two questions.

One, can you take action under the GATT rules given the circumstances?

And the answer would seem to be yes, you can.

That, of course, doesn't go to U.S. law.

Then you have to tie back to the pact that provided the authority of the president to negotiate these changes to begin with.

And presumably, if he could negotiate down, he can put back up again within the framework of the GATT agreement in which he negotiated.

That is the structure of the wellness side of it.

Are you, have you been in contact with traders to be sure they're ready to present that rules to how much you can do and how much money you can provide and so forth and so on?

You see what I mean is that

What drives me up the wall is any kind of fuzzy, sloppy thinking on things when you've got to get down from that cut.

And so when they come in and say, well, maybe you can do this, but maybe it's 5% for automobiles, and maybe it's 10 here, and John says, I think we ought to have 15% taxable.

Maybe that's all they're running with.

But maybe we can't do that.

See, what we can do for this kind of arrangement, I believe, is nothing across the board.

We can move any item that was reduced up toward or to the level from which it was reduced.

Now some items were reduced toward another.

So there will be variation there.

That's a sticky problem, isn't it?

Well, it's kind of like that, other than just slapping it on.

There's also an alternative to treasury.

Teth brought up of action under the Trading of the Enemy Act.

John Mitchell was very reluctant to go above and I won't do that.

I was thinking back to old laws and all that sort of thing.

Never, never forget and then heard a clean way of doing it.

The Congress is the other way of doing it.

The main thing there, of course, discusses how it is applied.

One second.

how your sort of god damn thing isn't hanging around forever.

It's got to be, and that's the issue that needs to be discussed on that problem.

Now on the wage price thing, that's the other kind of question.

The other question there is how long is it going to be, what are the exceptions to be

What procedure is there to be of any more relief or inequities and what follows.

Now we ought to just have hard answers to those questions and how.

Otherwise your meeting, yours will turn into a philosophical discussion about whether we really ought to raise the price of gold and

You see, all of that is no longer what we really, in order to know what to do, and this is where the intellectuals always fail, you have got to make the hard analysis of

who are presenting will work.

You've got to analyze that.

It's very easy to talk about it.

That's why our critics in the economic field have a field day.

It's easy.

They can say, let's have voluntary wage and price controls.

That's easy service.

Jesus Christ, that's great.

But then you've got to sit down.

So what we've got to see here in those two areas, the media is not going to be useful unless we can get those two areas and have some

intelligent discussion, hard discussion as to how they apply.

Now on the tax side, there, I still think that they ought to consider it.

I mean, I thought I'd get a new name for the investment tax credit.

I know that it has a nice feel to everybody else, but that is the way you call it, the Employment Tax Act.

But 1972 or 3, 3 or something like that, the end point catch up.

I directed the job.

Now here's what I have in mind here.

As they say, relief to business, which that is called, and remove the excise tax, which is relief to business, which of course is free to people too who buy cars, without getting relief to folks in Texas.

That's a political...

Whatever that judgment may be, the Congress may so decide.

My inclination at the moment is, because of our budget problems and threats, is for us to, us, and I'll raise this, this is of course the accomplished field, to go over the two things, and not for the moving on.

What are you talking about in terms of money there?

What is the moving up cost?

The moving up cost is three and a half billion dollars per fiscal 72.

Three and a half.

And one and a quarter for fiscal 73.

That's because they don't affect anyone.

Now let me just talk a little bit about that.

As far as the psychological aspect...

psychological effect, and I live upon this meaning it's a psychological move, is concerned.

I think the fact that people think that they're going to have a little, you know, their exemptions moved up isn't going to have a hell of an effect.

Yet, on the other hand, and this is at our point in science thinking the other day, putting three and a half million dollars in vans and purchasers

at this point will boost the economy on something else.

My own opinion is that with an extranjurary monetary policy, with the jobs, with the enormous amount of funds that are in the hands of purchasers already, that the problem is not really one of putting more money into their hands in order to get it going.

That's just my judgment.

The political problem is something else.

The political problem, however, could resolve itself in a way that we would be attacked for a business thing.

And then the Congress, they have to take responsibility.

So they want to move this thing up.

It's just the way the devil's at it at the moment.

So bills, that tax lottery, and they have victims and so forth and so on.

But then they unbalance it.

You see what I'm getting at?

Trying to find a way, George, to get our budget problem a little more in the field.

Now, as a matter of fact, now we talk about the politics on one side and what happens on the other.

In politics, I don't think there's a hell of a lot of politics in, say, business tax relief or relief for the folks.

I really don't think there's a hell of a lot of it at the moment.

If we cast it in terms of

Folks are going to think they're getting along with wage price freeze.

They're going to think they're going to get something out of it beyond the name.

I hope they will.

As far as what happens is concerned, the Congress doesn't have hands on end of it.

You can be sure that that amendment will be offered in this committee.

And what will happen there is that the Congress may put it in.

Then if they do, they put it in.

So the consumer gets the dough.

You know, and he spends it.

So that's one way to react, to reason on that, you see.

It's a different way.

And I, as a political man, first would be the last to, should be the last to suggest we could move in that direction.

But I think it potentially is a way that you can move.

I think we have been, we've had too much of a tendency to

Every time we do anything in the administration, we've got to think, well now, are we going to be pro-business or are we going to be bad?

But as I said, we didn't get one nickels worth of political good out of taking the poor off the tax list.

Not a thing.

We didn't get any.

There's some argument that everybody ought to pay.

I don't know why I said that a little bit.

But that's my theory.

I always believe that the general state

Or on this one, on this one, I just want you to know that in terms of your budget, and maybe we have to think in those terms, but if we have to choose, my view is that I'm going to show you the excise tax rate on the other hand.

And that's not an accomplishment, this one.

In other words, figuring this, that if, if we really want

If we really feel that the economy needs the additional bump of $3.5 billion in the hands of consumers in the last half of 1971, don't worry about it.

The Congress has got to put it in anyway.

We'll sign it.

So that's one way to look at it.

The tax reductions in fiscal 72 from the three things comes to almost $9 billion.

We can't generate that much.

savings from the budgeted invention.

Well, and you can't generate that much savings, and you can't get it all sold.

You've got to figure it out.

Generate, save, generate, save, and whatever you take from the import tax.

That, of course, that's got to be added up, too.

So you can't save it.

So my inclination would be to buy it, too.

See?

So that's one thought I have on it.

I am working out to see if there is in some way we can hit the textile problem very hard as part of this import tax thing and see if we could diffuse it.

Whether it's possible to sort of single out how the special can go all the way from just where I have it under the gap.

I don't know what the room for maneuver there is.

But you're having an exam.

We're having an exam.

And then it's coming up.

So it's now got to be a complete book of all the tariff schedules.

So at least we're equipped to look these things up.

Even though it's laborious.

But one thing, you see, with our airport tax, which I agree to, as long as you've done this, it's going to be out of the sun a little bit.

You should get rid of it.

And also the wage price thing.

Now that won't be too much of a son of a bitch, because we'll substitute something for it.

Well, I have some thoughts about the way the rest of the country would do that.

As to what to substitute for it, or not to do it.

I think we have to do a lesson of the history of these things is that to the extent they work, they work for a short time.

That is, whatever you do, after a while, people figure out how to get around it.

So, your program needs to be one that moves along and keeps changing.

That's the reason why we can't go from a free, for a fairly short period, to a general board, a spin-off board, the way we've talked.

And then, take that off.

It needs to go backwards.

So that you sit around a little bit and work yourself to the point where you wind up with nothing left in.

I'll tell you that none of them works, but the change from one to another has some effect.

Yeah, each may work for a short while.

Also, in the charges of all of our computations, the theories about being responsible are right.

There will be some attrition in the...

And, uh, in New York... De-installation in the price farm.

I think this little move of Bethlehem is an interesting little thing.

And I saw this morning, one reason why was the other companies had all gone quietly to Detroit, saying, we're putting up our prices, but we want you to know we're going to discount it for the auto industry, which of course is their biggest pie for this full-growth sheep.

And Bethlehem didn't want to do it that way.

They wanted to charge their list prices.

So they refused to raise the list prices.

But it's an indication of the softness of the market and the fact that when the market is soft, that's the response.

Well, on the budget side, CAP is...

Better informed on the detail than I am.

On the wage price side, I don't know whoever has been working on this.

And I have thought it might be well not to have them in the meetings, but to have them available as we search them.

Sure.

The only reason I would not have the meetings in the meetings is you'd only have people that are going to have to participate in the discussion.

I think on that you've got to have...

I guess they're gonna have it.

They don't.

Plus Peterson, the only other one, I guess, is Wilbur and Sean.

Wilbur and Sean.

That's... That's the, that's the group except for Ann, Dan.

No.

Do you want to anticipate?

No.

No, you've got, you've got, uh, uh, Heroisman, and, uh, Sapphire, and Dan.

You're taking damage as a resource man.

Damage as a resource man.

You said you'd wander with me later and you're still wondering about whether you want Sapphire at the outset for background?

I don't want them to participate.

Neither have I studied it.

You know, there's the worst you can have, half-assed beta, and how big demand is expressed in the series.

Roseman and Sapphire are very easy to program.

I think they might be productive.

It might be good just to have them sit there.

So they're exposed.

The people in Sapphire are going to have to work on some of the writing that they sit there.

And also they may have to think of the PR part.

They might say, listen, that's what I'm reading.

I was going to suggest that because it's going to be hard to bring people up to speed that you want to get in later.

It would be easier to have them in at the beginning and just tell them.

In those cases, in both John and Phyllis,

The phrase you just say, you're just sitting and listening because you're going to be involved in a follow-up discussion.

They're working good.

Judge, um... ...Archers should become a real ally in setting up the board.

Because that's going to be his pen, isn't it?

Not that.

Can't we make him get his piece on the other?

No, not that.

Make him work on that.

We can work together.

If I could call him as a matter of fact, and I should just...

But I just would be very good.

I think you ought to put George and Arthur in... in... in... Dogwood.

Dogwood is the...

The problem is George is going to do the basic state work on this and felt that if he's

Stuck with Arthur in his cabin.

He can't escape.

What I was going to do was put Burns and Peterson in Dogwood.

Neither of them will bother each other.

And give George one where he can work.

And he can come over to Dogwood and confer with Arthur.

But at least he can escape.

If he's in there, he can't escape.

George is the one that has the three big living rooms.

Two living rooms.

If you're going to have some side meetings as we would have, if we want some people to have something, that is a good place to have.

Dogwood is a good place.

It's what?

If that is under Harper's control, so to speak.

It's more difficult to program that room.

Why don't you put Peterson and Archer in something else?

All right, put George in Dogwood?

Sure.

He's a cabinet member, that's fine.

He's a cabinet member.

All right.

Right, I think actually put George in there, and it's an elevator, you should have another, and it's done.

Why don't you have, who are the many ones that work with Cap, or Van Damme, or Ryle?

Who do you want in the place of you?

I put two of them in there recently.

In other words, I put you, you take the early one, and so forth.

And they can share the other one.

There's no need to do that.

I hope you share the other one.

Dan, to me,

... ... ... ... ... ... ...

It's a nice one.

I think that's fine.

In other words, take command.

Because Conley's suggestion of going around everybody for his views is just not my way of operating.

And I know that he...

Well, I don't know why I asked.

I had the same reflection with you, and that's why I was stopped here just now and said, here's an idea for a glitch construction.

Basically, if we start that way, I don't mean it should be total destruction, but I've got to, I mean, you could, like that defense meeting's going, that could have taken three hours.

She's got to get going.

I've never done anything to discuss.

I mean, most people are just, we all do the same thing.

We all talk to the record.

And not that we won't be that conscious for government.

But I know very well what will happen.

Gibson will have to make his speech about the Japanese and their dangers and so forth.

And Arthur will have to make his speech about what we really thought I'd have as a weekend meeting and the fixed price for a gold bottle.

We'll do this and we should have done this and we made a mistake 18 years ago.

So I understand all that.

But we don't want to hear it now.

Right now, George, we're right down to the decision making time.

It seems to me we've got to get down now.

Alright, what are the things there, son?

Fight them all.

Would you agree?

Or would you not?

My idea is to transform the meeting very quickly.

For one, that doesn't discuss whether we're going to do something and exactly what it is.

I'm in the one in which you say I haven't decided that we're going to do business, though.

And now that we're all in here for the next few days, you're not exactly going to do a lot.

Well, before you go, there's one thing I want to ask you.

You've completely assigned these things to me.

So I assign them the way you first sent me to you.

Yes, and I'll say to Arthur, I want you to be assistance on this.

I want you to give George your help on this, because I said, Arthur, you're going to have to help a number of things, but on this one, you've got some ideas on what you can do.

I'll sign the budget into you.

What about the import tax?

I don't know.

It's interesting about this election cycle.

We all know, when I say we all know, a whole goddamn post-controversialism which has to be done for a reason like this.

The whole thing has to end.

As a curator, it's done.

We're doing it for, not politics, special parties, but we're doing it because the country needs psychological living on the island.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

The thing to do is to have us, and that's why you're writing about textual saints, okay?

The thing to do is to give the parents a feeling that they have a lot, but don't do something that hurts them.

the basic system which we believe in.

See that's the one thing where I depart from.

But if you see that you've got that, you know, that there's only maybe some teeth that can be pulled out from our eyes.

And I find the same thing important also, you know, the tacticians of the state, and defense for that matter, or any teeth that are being pulled out, they have one.

Well, I don't want any of them, and that's great.

Let's get a little bit of a look at this.

The important thing is,

Is that headline going to cost you in terms of what you know you're right and what you know?

And that's what we've got to think of here.

We've got to think, Conklin will understand that.

He's about what I've got to hit him on.

Volcker does not think in those broad terms.

He thinks in, he's getting involved in one of the other things.

In other things, in my opinion, that is a democratic one.

Peterson, Peterson doesn't.

Peterson barred temptation.

He'll then come to this when he speaks about it a little.

Stein will be useful on many fronts.

Parker knows quite a lot about how the monetary system works.

He even works with poker on that sort of thing.

I'll be interested to find out what happened to that and heard a thing about how much money the Larkson did when he saw it on the fly.

And, uh, from the long scene, it's been funny.

It's, uh, many things.

Then you'll ask, but, uh, that's probably what we want to do.

Well, we've had a conversation with him.

Probably, yeah.

I think we just can't keep going up and having these crises over and over again.

And also, my view, we just may as well, there's another point where I didn't need to make the point, but Stein himself made it when he said,

We're going to get rolled anyway politically on the wage price board and the rest, and let's do it right and the way the lease market economy.

I'm saying that rather than letting the goddamn Congress force us to do it wrong.

See, it's like George, I'm having to sign that terrible public service employment bill.

I had to sign it.

It's the wrong thing.

But in a sense, if we were going to get enrolled, we might have been better to have participated in advance and have submitted some jackass skills that's not quite as bad as theirs.

It's a terrible way to run a government, isn't it?

It isn't as bad as it could have been.

I know we know that.

George, are we going all out to get those jobs scattered around somehow yesterday?

But would you...

You get a hold of her and tell me I want him to kick in the ass or whine her.

Every unit of Boca got an enforcement to spend this money fast.

Now they don't, my guys don't understand that this is one area where I don't want them to wait.

I want them to spend it now.

Not three months from now.

Spend the dollar.

I've done nothing.

Get a shopper to take the half an hour until they've missed the $1.30 I just had.

You're going to take them up this afternoon?

Those two are going to take them up in the morning.

Well, don't take them with you.

You're going to create... Let's put the quadrihead on and go.

We'll make it look right.

Drive off.

They have a lot of jets, which they may not have comfortable for a second, and I'll tell you guys just to keep an eye on them.

Have you talked to her?

Do you want to try?

Have you talked to her?

I think you might come up with a few things.

I don't think either of them is really racist.

Racist is Shepard's speech together.

I'm for racism.

Racist is strong man.

Yeah, good.

There were a couple of strong men in the line.

He said on the other one, the Mexican Columbus, he tried to tie the patriotism thing as you had talked about the other day, and he said it doesn't follow the shepherd's style because it doesn't subject this war against the shepherd's style.

I've got a thing over now that the notes that you had on the weekend, I wrote about it.

I'm listening to the security calls.

I would find that it may just give a little feel of, yeah.

That's good.

I just don't think we ought to make speeches at all.

I don't think they mean much.

I don't think they help us.

I don't think you ought to.

On those kinds of speeches, you've got to do something when you arrive at the place in front of the people.

And it is to do this.

You've got to go on to those people.

And I can't just get up there.

I can't just ever say hi there.

I go there because I've got a minute too much time to live in.

It's just that's why I can't get in our speech team.

If I just had one man, one man I could know that could come forth with that great speech,

The other thing is, as you keep saying too, you can't make the greatest species of your career out of every one of those.

No.

And these are not that important.

The other one is a nice kind of species that isn't going to get any television.

The religious stuff he had in there was based on a search with the Knights of Columbus, and it was the stuff that they will respond to.

So, he'll work on it, though.

He knows what, he knows what we talk about.

I talk, I talk the way I do.

We talk in so many minutes, and we're over there at 1,500 words.

You know, it's not at all makes it extended if they have to preserve it for a little longer.

Yeah.

Well, these guys will regroup, they'll work tonight and tomorrow.

You don't see any, when, when?

You need to get backwards in, but in some ways you've got to be in the substance.

Because if I need to get up, oh hell, how do you see the meeting scheduled?

Or you don't want to set up a schedule, but the general pattern of how long that's going to take.

Or do you just want to play it by ear?

I can see the remarkable, I'll say, I'll see you at your answers at 12, and that would be my guess about it.

And then you just hit the task force chairman, and I want them all.

I really hope they go there with the intention of going in at any manner.

Frankly, working that night.

And I said, I want you to work tonight.

I want you to work in the morning.

Well, I'm just going to say 11 o'clock tomorrow.

I'm going to take it down to 7 o'clock.

That'd be my day.

Then your thought was to keep them all up there.

I just think that's a good idea anyway.

And they can keep whatever lines that I need.

Most of the time, you know, I'm a scared little bit, but she just said it on her first day.

I said, I'm going to tell them who calls me down here, anybody.

I'm going to tell them.

If it's on the contents, you're going to have to tell them what it's for.

You just have to do it, because I know, frankly, Parker is a leader, and so is Peterson.

I can tell from just, I've read enough of the papers from the local police.

They don't mean it, but they do.

Right now, if you're talking to go for a television Monday night,

Yeah, I think it has to be a speech.

I look at this one more early.

Yeah, great deal.

What do you think?

Do you think it has to be a speech?

Yeah.

You're doing all of them, and in this context, I think it does.

That means a lot of work on your part.

Yeah.

Well, let me know what you can go for.

I want her to speak.

This is one thing that I agree with.

It's a big event.

I said, that's just fine.

But I said, what you're saying is something important.

Make it lean, breathe, simple.

And, uh, here's that part of the whole song.

Get the cuties out of it.

But, uh,

It should be very brief.

That's all it should be.

You should not stop the details of this thing.

You don't want to understand it.

All the impression you want is that you pick the twist on it and you're doing something else.

Then what?

We'll work out with the program of county briefing and all that kind of stuff.

We'll have to, let me tell you, I'll spend that on the briefing.

I'll put that in the two-thirds of the time.

First, on the briefing, this is to be absolutely fun.

No one needs to be briefed.

I think we should go for, what, nine o'clock?

Yep.

Nine o'clock.

Ten o'clock.

Well, it is an enormous step to just pick up a few minutes more before 10.

How about 9.30?

It's about something to do.

Nice.

I think in this case, 9 o'clock is okay, Bob.

All right.

It doesn't screw up the movie sets the other time.

It's at 9 o'clock, and it makes sense.

I will have to request that at noon on Monday.

We can request it without announcing it, wait and announce it after the market closes at 3.

After which, that's why we delay it.

No.

So it's on 4 o'clock.

It is.

We don't have to say what it's on.

We just ask for time.

Very good question.

Is it outside the limit of the speech is 15 minutes.

That's the thing.

Why in Christ can I get people around here to understand the beauty of a great speech?

Will you tell me?

Do they understand?

Every time I talk to Christ, he says, like he said, when he looked right back over the 68 days, he thought they were 75 minutes.

And if you look back, it would have been better than that other 15 minutes.

He never would.

And every one of us got something.

The first thing he did, he just didn't know what.

But he would cut, I'd read the end of the first verse, and then I'd show him what he learned from it.

One of the first things he did.

Well, if we do it at 9 o'clock, then I want the briefings to start at 7.

I do not want this.

Now, this is going to be absolutely enforced.

I do not want this damn thing to go on the evening news and to be pissed off before our apology.

Let me make a suggestion.

Did you not brief at all beforehand?

Get in with the bombshell.

If you brief them, then they've got commentary.

If you hit them, they get up and bounce.

I think we gain a lot by knowing men's breathing at all.

If you mean men's breathing.

I wonder if you were the one that said we ought to have plenty of breathing and so forth.

I didn't mean beforehand, I meant afterwards.

I think we've got to move like some of the chapters now.

I wonder if it's going to be

I prefer to have no breathing.

You see, for example, if you don't, the incident commentary afterwards will be very, very... That's probably a reason for breathing.

To make sure that you don't...

Go off.

That's what I do.

We ought to try to correct the commentary.

Yes, we did.

And the commentary will be repeated.

Now let's just reach that 7 o'clock.

That 7 o'clock.

Sorry, 7.

Read this unspecified story.

Through the news hour, you see.

I'm still reading.

I'll read it to people.

We can find out.

I can't because they already set up distance.

I don't want to get people arriving there.

I'll move to other cabs.

I'll be right back.

Good.