{"conversationCode":"564-005","tapeNumber":564,"conversationNumber":5,"identifier":"37-wht-conversation-564-005","startDateTime":"1971-08-16T14:10:00.000Z","endDateTime":"1971-08-16T15:27:00.000Z","startDate":"16-Aug-1971","startTime":"10:10 AM","endDate":"16-Aug-1971","endTime":"11:27 AM","dateCertainty":"certain","timeCertainty":"estimated","participants":"United States Secret Service agents;","description":"On August 16, 1971, United States Secret Service agents met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 10:10 am and 11:27 am. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 564-005 of the White House Tapes.","locationCode":"OVAL","recordingDevice":"Oval Office","latitudeEstimated":38.8974,"longitudeEstimated":-77.0374,"chronCode":2,"chronRelease":"Second Chronological Release","chronReleaseDate":"26-Oct-2000","aogpRelease":null,"aogpSegment":null,"lastModified":"2015-07-27T17:04:10.235Z","findingAid":"Conversation No. 564-5\n\nDate: August 16, 1971\nTime: Unknown between 10:10 am and 11:27 am\nLocation: Oval Office\n\nUnknown people [Secret Service agents] met.\n\n President’s location\n -Cabinet Room\n\nThe unknown people [Secret Service agents] left at an unknown time before 11:27 am.\n\n Conversation No. 564-4/565-1\n\nDate: August 16, 1971\nTime: Unknown before 11:27 am\nLocation: Oval Office\n\nThe President met with Rose Mary Woods and H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman.\n[The recording began while the meeting was in progress]\n\n**************************************************************************\n\nBEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 5\n[Personal Returnable]\n[Duration: 5s ]\n\nEND WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 5\n\n**************************************************************************\n\n National economy\n -President's speech, August 15, 1971\n -Reaction\n -Woods’ conversation with unknown person\n -Patricia R. Hitt\n\n President's schedule\n -August 17, 1971\n -New York\n -Congressional leaders\n -Wilbur D. Mills, John W. Byrnes, Russell B. Long, Wallace F. Bennett,\n George H. Mahon, Frank T. Bow\n -Senate Appropriations Committee\n -Banking and Currency Committee\n -Michael J. Mansfield, Hugh Scott, Robert P. Griffin, Robert C. Byrd\n -Carl B. Albert, [Thomas] Hale Boggs, Gerald R. Ford, Leslie C. Arends\n -Use of government airplanes\n -Mills\n\n Conv. No. 564-4/565-1 (cont.)\n\n -Little Rock, Arkansas\n\n Julie Nixon Eisenhower's schedule\n -Woods\n\nWoods left at 11:48 am.\n\n President's schedule\n -Congressional leaders\n -John B. Connally, George P. Shultz, Paul W. McCracken, Arthur F. Burns\n -Herbert Stein\n -Kenneth Belieu\n -Clark MacGregor, William Timmons\n -Herbert G. Klein\n -Ronald L. Ziegler, Patrick J. Buchanan\n -William L. Safire\n -Peter G. Peterson, John D. Ehrlichman\n\nThe President talked with the White House operator at 11:48 am.\n\n[Conversation No. 564-4/565-1A]\n\n[See Conversation No. 7-158]\n\n[End of telephone conversation]\n\n President's schedule\n -Congressional leaders\n\n National economy\n -President's program\n -Peter M. Flanigan\n -Textiles\n -Trip\n\nThe President talked with Connally between 11:48 am and 11:50 am.\n\n[Conversation No. 564-4/565-1B]\n\n[See Conversation No. 7-159]\n\n Conv. No. 564-4/565-1 (cont.)\n\n[End of telephone conversation]\n\n Connally\n -Ziegler's views\n -George W. Romney\n -John A. Volpe\n -State Department\n -Camp David meeting\n\nStephen B. Bull entered at an unknown time after 11:50 am.\n\n President's schedule\n -MacGregor\n -Timmons\n\nBull left at an unknown time before 12:33 pm.\n\n -Congressional leaders\n -Forthcoming calls\n\n National economy\n -President's program\n -Reaction\n -Media\n -August 15, 1971, speech\n -Planning\n -Media\n -Newsweek story\n -Prediction\n\nBull entered at an unknown time after 11:50 am.\n\n Timmons schedule\n\n President's schedule\n -Congressional leaders\n -Forthcoming calls\n -Eugene S. Cowan\n -Belieu\n\nBull left at an unknown time before 12:33 pm.\n\n Conv. No. 564-4/565-1 (cont.)\n\nThe President talked with the White House operator at an unknown time between 11:50 am and\n12:33 pm.\n\n[Conversation No. 564-4/565-1C]\n\n[See Conversation No. 7-160]\n\n[End of telephone conversation]\n\n News magazines\n -President’s program\n -Time\n -Cover\n -Vida Blue\n -Newsweek\n -Cover\n Time and Newsweek\n -Editorial position\n -People’s Republic of China [PRC]\n\nHaldeman talked with Belieu at an unknown time between 11:50 am and 12:33 pm.\n\n[Conversation No. 564-4/565-1D]\n\n[See Conversation No. 7-161]\n\n[End of telephone conversation]\n\n President's schedule\n -Congressional leaders\n -Burns\n\n Connally\n -Press conference, August 16, 1971\n -Leadership qualities\n\n Romney\n\n National economy\n -President's program\n\n Conv. No. 564-4/565-1 (cont.)\n\n -Flanigan's role\n -Reaction\n -George S. McGovern\n\nMedia\n -Charles W. Colson\n -Edmund S. Muskie and Edward M. Kennedy\n -PRC\n\nNational economy\n -President's program\n -Follow-up\n -Telephone calls\n -President's schedule\n -Leadership meeting\n -Mills\n -Mansfield\n -Reaction\n -Stock market\n -Volume of trading\n -Asa Hall [?]\n -President's speech, August 15, 1971\n -Content\n -Inspirational aspect\n -PRC message\n -Need for spending\n -Tax deductions\n -Congress’s responsibilities\n -Investment tax credit\n -Excise tax\n -President's program\n -Investment tax credits\n -Romney's views\n -Industrial production\n -Tool and dye\n -Automobiles\n -International situation\n -Japan\n -Mills\n -Credit\n -Peterson\n\n Conv. No. 564-4/565-1 (cont.)\n\n -Announcement\n -Quotas\n -Forthcoming negotiations\n -Developments\n -Maurice H. Stans, Romney, James D. Hodgson, Clifford M. Hardin\n -Spiro T. Agnew\n -William P. Rogers, David Packard, John N. Mitchell\n -Stans\n -Stein, Paul A. Volcker, Caspar W. (“Cap”) Weinberger, Ehrlichman\n -Romney\n -Reaction\n -Stock market\n\n President’s schedule\n -Flanigan\n\n President's speeches\n -Buchanan\n\nHaldeman talked with an unknown person [Raymond K. Price, Jr.?] at an unknown time between\n11:50 am and 12:33 pm.\n\n[Conversation No. 564-4/565-1S]\n\n -Veterans of Foreign Wars [VFW]\n\n[End of telephone conversation]\n\nHaldeman talked with an unknown person [Price?] at an unknown time between 11:50 am and\n12:33 pm.\n\n[Conversation No. 564-4/565-1E]\n\n President's speeches\n -President's schedule\n -Leadership meeting\n -Deadline\n\n[End of telephone conversation]\n\n National economy\n\n Conv. No. 564-4/565-1 (cont.)\n\n -President's program\n -Reaction\n -Stock market\n -Volume of trading\n -Automobile stocks\n\n President's schedule\n -Stock market\n -Rockefeller\n -President's law firm\n -Stock market\n -Bernard J. (“Bunny”) Lasker\n -Closing\n\n National economy\n -Status\n -Public confidence\n -Media\n -President's program\n -Reaction\n -Economic indicators\n -Consumer Price Index [CPI]\n -Retail sales\n -President's program\n -Reaction\n -Stock market\n -Possible gain\n\nBull entered at an unknown time after 11:50 am.\n\n Ziegler's schedule\n\nBull left at an unknown time before 12:33 pm.\n\n National economy\n -President's program\n -Businessmen\n -Walter H. Annenberg's call to Ehrlichman, August 15, 1971\n -Annenberg's dinner with Justin W. Dart and Leonard K. Firestone\n -Dart\n -Letter\n\n Conv. No. 564-4/565-1 (cont.)\n\n -Annenberg\n -President’s August 15 speech\n -Businessmen\n -Media\n -McCracken's views\n -Psychological need for action\n -President's program\n -McCracken\n -Reaction\n -Milton Friedman\n\nAn unknown person [Bull?] entered and left at an unknown time between 11:50 am and 12:33\npm.\n\n -Political aspect\n -Congress\n -Possible permanent wage and price controls\n -Possible Congressional action\n -Shultz's possible call to Friedman\n\n President's schedule\n -John T. McCarty\n -Arthur Shenfield's “The Roots of American Discontent”\n -Woods\n -Shenfield\n -Rockford College\n -McCarty\n -Bull\n\nThe President talked with Woods at an unknown time between 11:50 am and 12:33 pm.\n\n[Conversation No. 564-4/565-1F]\n\n President's schedule\n -Shenfield\n\n[End of telephone conversation]\n\n Shenfield\n -Speech\n -Haldeman memo\n\n Conv. No. 564-4/565-1 (cont.)\n\n President's schedule\n -Photographer\n\n Shenfield\n -Speech\n -John J. McLaughlin\n -Rockford College\n -Vincent T. (Vince”) Lombardi\n -Religious themes\n -Economic nationalism\n\nAn unknown person [Bull?] entered and left at an unknown time between 11:50 am and 12:33\npm.\n\n President’s schedule\n -Forthcoming Knights of Columbus speech\n -Price\n -Knighthood\n\n Ziegler's schedule\n -Connally\n\n Connally\n -Schedule\n -Press conference\n -Press coverage\n -Role in President’s program\n -Compared to Agnew\n\n Agnew\n -Attacks on media\n -Buchanan\n -Speech\n\n President’s schedule\n -President's forthcoming speech\n -Length\n -Trip\n\n Shenfield\n\n Conv. No. 564-4/565-1 (cont.)\n\n -Speech\n -Quoted\n\nShenfield and Woods entered at 12:33 pm; the White House photographer was present at the\nbeginning of the meeting.\n\n Shenfield's book\n -Alexis DeTocqueville\n -Photocopying\n -Reaction\n -New York\n\n US role in world\n -World War II\n -Japan\n -Germans\n -British, French, Italians\n -Leadership\n\n Shultz\n -University of Chicago\n\n Presentation of gifts by President\n\n Shenfield’s book\n -Possible sequel\n\nShenfield and Woods left at 12:38 pm.\n\n US\n\n Connally's schedule\n -Press conference\n\nThe President left at an unknown time after 12:30 pm.\n\nHaldeman talked with an unknown person [Ziegler?] at an unknown time between 12:38 pm and\n12:59 pm.\n\n[Conversation No. 564-4/565-1G]\n\n Conv. No. 564-4/565-1 (cont.)\n\n Connally's press conference\n\n[End of telephone conversation]\n\nThe President entered at an unknown time before 12:59 pm.\n\n Connally's press conference\n -Ziegler\n\n World conditions\n -Change\n -Presidential power\n\nThe President talked with an unknown person at an unknown time between 12:38 pm and 12:59\npm.\n\n[Conversation No. 564-4/565-1T]\n\n Request for a return telephone call\n\n[End of telephone conversation]\n\n Unknown person’s report\n\n Union of Soviet Socialist Republics [USSR]\n -Forthcoming announcement\n\n Vietnam\n -Hubert H. Humphrey's comments\n -Robert J. Dole's response\n -As an issue\n -Visibility\n\n President's opponents\n -Possible issues\n -Poor\n -Blacks\n -Youth\n -Foreign policy leadership\n -Cities\n -Big business\n\n Conv. No. 564-4/565-1 (cont.)\n\n -Young, blacks, poor\n\n Welfare reform\n -President’s proposal\n -Timing\n -Congress\n -Onus\n -Daniel P. Moynihan\n -Department of Health, Education and Welfare [HEW]\n -Ehrlichman\n -1972 election\n -Welfare psychology\n -Blacks\n -Literacy\n -Size of families\n\n Connally\n -Role in President's economic program\n -Burns, Shultz\n -Timing\n -President’s August 15, 1971 speech\n -Shultz\n\n National economy\n -President's program\n -Burns's role\n -Money supply\n -Shultz\n -President's speech, August 15, 1971\n -Timing\n -Shultz and Connally\n\n President’s schedule\n -President's forthcoming briefing at State Department\n -Ehrlichman\n -Composition\n -Agency heads, sub-cabinet members, White House staff\n -Connally, Burns, Shultz, McCracken\n\nHaldeman talked with an unknown person at an unknown time between 12:38 pm and 12:59 pm.\n\n Conv. No. 564-4/565-1 (cont.)\n\n[Conversation No. 564-4/565-1H]\n\n Connally's press conference\n -Ziegler\n -Location\n -Treasury Department\n\n[End of telephone conversation]\n\n National economy\n -President's program\n -Briefing of August 15, 1971\n -Haldeman’s role\n -Connally\n -Intervention\n\n Press conferences\n -Length\n -Agnew, Romney\n\n Forthcoming call to Connally\n -Ziegler\n\n Knighthood\n -Unknown man\n\n President's forthcoming speech to Knights of Columbus\n -Content and phraseology\n -“The Roots of American Discontent”\n -Buchanan\n -McLaughlin\n\nHaldeman talked with an unknown person at an unknown time between 12:38 pm and 12:59 pm.\n\n[Conversation No. 564-4/565-1I]\n\n President's forthcoming speech to Knights of Columbus\n -McLaughlin's draft\n\n[End of telephone conversation]\n\n Conv. No. 564-4/565-1 (cont.)\n\n Connally's schedule\n\nBull entered at an unknown time after 12:38 pm.\n\n -Press conference\n\nBull left at an unknown time before 12:59 pm.\n\n President's possible speech\n -Media\n -Western society\n\nZiegler entered at 12:59 pm.\n\n Connally's previous press conference\n -President's economic program\n -Wage and price freeze\n -Inflation\n -Consumer confidence\n -Significance\n -Possible effects\n -President's forthcoming meeting with Congressional leaders\n -Mills\n -President's views concerning government role in economy\n -President's economic program\n -Timing\n -Comprehensive action\n -President's foreign policy initiatives\n -Connally’s comments on ”Meet the Press\n -PRC initiative\n -Development\n -Connally’s June 27, 1971 press conference\n -Changing conditions\n -Wage and price controls and board\n -Taxes\n\nThe President talked with the White House operator at an unknown time between 12:59 pm and\n1:08 pm.\n\n[Conversation No. 564-4/565-1J]\n\n Conv. No. 564-4/565-1 (cont.)\n\n Request for a call to Connally\n\n[End of telephone conversation]\n\n Connally's previous press conference\n\nThe President talked with Connally at an unknown time between 12:59 pm and 1:08 pm.\n\n[Conversation No. 564-4/565-1K]\n\n Connally's previous press conference\n -Ziegler's view\n -Length\n -President's economic program\n -Timing\n -Comprehensiveness\n -Wall Street\n -Television coverage\n\n Connally's schedule\n -State Department meeting\n\n President's schedule\n -State Department meeting\n -Connally’s role\n -The President’s role\n\n**********************************************************************\n\nBEGIN WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 4\n[Personal Returnable]\n[Duration: 12s ]\n\nEND WITHDRAWN ITEM NO. 4\n\n**********************************************************************\n\n Conv. No. 564-4/565-1 (cont.)\n\n President's schedule\n -Forthcoming briefing\n\n[End of telephone conversation]\n\n -Peterson\n\n Connally's previous press conference\n -President's economic program\n -Devaluation\n -Public concern\n -Overseas value of dollar\n -Foreigners' possible reaction\n -US role in world\n -London\n -Possible media coverage\n\nHaldeman talked with an unknown person at an unknown time between 12:59 pm and 1:08 pm.\n\n[Conversation No. 564-4/565-1L]\n\n[End of telephone conversation]\n\n Connally's previous press conference\n -Press reports\n -Suspension of dollar convertibility\n -Compared to devaluation\n\nWoods entered at 1:08 pm.\n\n National economy\n -President's program\n -Reaction\n -Stock market\n -Volume of trading\n\nHaldeman talked with an unknown person at an unknown time between 1:08 pm and 1:18 pm.\n\n[Conversation No. 564-4/565-1U]\n\n Stock market records\n\n Conv. 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