Conversation 566-001

TapeTape 566StartTuesday, August 17, 1971 at 9:44 AMEndTuesday, August 17, 1971 at 10:39 AMTape start time00:13:08Tape end time01:10:59ParticipantsButterfield, Alexander P.;  Haldeman, H. R. ("Bob");  Nixon, Richard M. (President);  [Unknown person(s)];  Colson, Charles W.;  Bull, Stephen B.;  Connally, John B.Recording deviceOval Office

On August 17, 1971, Alexander P. Butterfield, H. R. ("Bob") Haldeman, President Richard M. Nixon, unknown person(s), Charles W. Colson, Stephen B. Bull, and John B. Connally met in the Oval Office of the White House at an unknown time between 9:44 am and 10:39 am. The Oval Office taping system captured this recording, which is known as Conversation 566-001 of the White House Tapes.

Conversation No. 566-1

Date: August 17, 1971
Time: Unknown between 9:44 am and 10:39 am
Location: Oval Office

Alexander P. Butterfield met with H. R. (“Bob”) Haldeman.

     President’s schedule
          -Telephone call to Roman L. Hruska
                -Birthday greetings
                -Hruska’s location
                      -Helsinki, Finland

     President's speeches
          -Drafts
                 -Patrick J. Buchanan and John J. McLaughlin
                       -William Safire
                 -Raymond K. Price, Jr.
                       -Buchanan
                 -Safire
                 -Deadline
                       -Price’s call to Haldeman
                 -Book
                       -Rockford College speech
                             -“The Roots of American Discontent”

     President's schedule
          -Meeting with Arthur A. Shenfield, August 16, 1971

The President entered at an unknown time after 9:44 am.

     Item for the President’s signature
           -Ireland

     President's schedule
          -[Emperor of Japan] Hirohito
                 -Timing of announcement
          -New York City
                 -Departure
                      -Traffic
                      -Itinerary

                           -Wall Street
                                 -Traffic
                           -Hotel
                           -Dinner
                           -Return
                 -Henry A. Kissinger
                 -Speech drafts

Butterfield left at 9:49 am.

     [Pause]

                 -Departure
                 -Kissinger
                       -Cables
                 -Departure
                       -Traffic
                 -Staff
                       -John D. Ehrlichman, George P. Shultz, Peter G. Peterson
                             -Speech drafts
                 -John B. Connally

     National economy
          -Textiles
                -Peterson
                      -Connally

     President's schedule
          -Congressional leaders
                 -Connally
                 -Shultz
                 -Connally
                      -Paul A. Volcker
                      -Charls E. Walker
                 -Volcker
          -Interruptions
                 -Kissinger

National economy
     -President's economic program
           -Phrase "New Economic Policy"
                 -Shultz’s point
                       -Vladimir I. Lenin
                       -Leon Trotsky
                       -Josef V. Stalin
           -Compared to Franklin D. Roosevelt's program
                 -Shultz’s point
                       -Connally
                       -Success of New Deal
                 -Safire
                 -Connally
                 -Sam Whiting
           -Media coverage
                 -News summary
                 -Buchanan
     -September 21, 1971 Productivity Commission meeting
           -Shultz
                 -Agenda
                       -Wage and price freeze
                       -Length of meeting

White House staff
     -News article concerning unknown White House aide
           -Spiro T. Agnew
                 -Shultz
                 -Haldeman's meeting with White House staff
                 -Possible reaction
                       -Staff
                 -Handling of subject, August 16, 1971
     -Ronald L. Ziegler's role and capabilities
           -Connally
           -Herbert G. Klein
     -John A. Scali
     -Richard A. Moore
     -Scali’s role and capabilities

Thelma C. (“Pat”) Nixon's schedule
     -News summary
     -Size of crowds

          -Staff work
                -Women
          -Activities
                -Handshaking
                -Telephone calls

     President's schedule
          -Barber

The President talked with an unknown person at an unknown time between 9:49 am and 10:05
am.

[Conversation No. 566-1A]

     Request for Charles W. Colson’s presence

[End of telephone conversation]

     White House staff
          -Unknown person's conversation with Dan Rather
              -Donald H. Rumsfeld
                    -Location
                         -Illinois

     John Birch Society
          -Relationship with President
                -[Howard K.?] Smith
          -California
          -Views concerning the President's policy toward the People's Republic of China
               [PRC]
                -Dwight D. Eisenhower
                -John Foster Dulles

Colson and Stephen B. Bull entered at 10:05 am.

     President's schedule
          -Connally

Bull left at an unknown time before 10:25 am.

     National economy

-President's program
      -Television coverage, August 15, 1971
      -George Meany
            -Response
                  -Position on wage and price freeze
                  -Administration's possible attacks
                        -Shultz, Paul W. McCracken
                        -Partnership
                        -Democrats
                              -Marvin Mandel
                        -Shultz's suggestion
                              -American Federation of Labor-Congress of Industrial
                                    Organizations [AFL-CIO] meeting
                                    -Possible news coverage
      -Possible attacks on Democrats
            -Hubert H. Humphrey and George S. McGovern
            -Partisanship
                  -PRC initiative
                  -Vietnam
            -Tone
                  -Buchanan
                  -Franklyn C. (“Lyn”) Nofziger
                  -Buchanan
                        -Agnew
      -Media coverage
      -Possible attacks on Democrats
            -Forthcoming meeting
                  -Gerard R. Ford
            -Bipartisanship
                  -Wilbur D. Mills
            -President's policy toward PRC
            -Forthcoming meeting
                  -Kenneth E. BeLieu's efforts
                        -Wallace F. Bennett
      -Comments
            -Frank McGlinn, Finance chairman, Pennsylvania Republican Party
            -William Proxmire
            -Mills
            -Republicans
                  -PRC initiative
                  -Clark MacGregor

-Possible responses
      -Public support
      -Controversy
      -Price
      -Tone of Administration
-Possible administration attacks
      -Democrats
      -Republicans
      -Meany
      -Peter J. Brennan
            -Press conference
      -Frank E. Fitzsimmons
      -Leonard Woodcock
-Impact
-News media
      -Time, Newsweek, Columbia Broadcasting System [CBS], American
             Broadcasting Corporation [ABC], National Broadcasting
             Corporation [NBC]
-President's opponents' reaction
      -PRC initiative
-Media coverage of Connally
-Public reaction
      -Housing figure
-Shultz
-Milton Friedman's views
-Effect
      -News media
            -PRC initiative
-Leadership
-Briefings by administration spokesmen
      -McCracken
      -Specifics
      -Agnew
            -Forthcoming television appearance
                  -Possible comments
                       -Office of Emergency Preparedness [OEP]
      -Connally
            -Today Show
      -Arthur F. Burns
            -Reaction
                  -Conversation with the President

                           -Backgrounder
                                 -Columnists
                                       -Column
                           -Sub-Cabinet
                                 -State Department
                           -Conservatives
                                 -Friedman
                     -Agnew
                     -Connally
                -Possible administration attacks
                     -Possible strategy
                           -Mood of the American people
                                 -PRC initiative
                     -Hubert H. Humphrey, Edmund S. Muskie, Edward M. Kennedy
                -Washington Star article, August 16, 1971
                -Public reaction
                     -National issues
                           -Vietnam
                           -PRC
                           -Economy
                           -Crime and drugs
                           -Pollution
                           -Blacks

Connally entered at 10:25 am.

                -Connally's press conference, August 16, 1971
                    -Media reaction
                -Connally's forthcoming "Today" show appearance
                    -Audience
                           -Households
                    -Labor unions' reaction
                           -Connally's possible response
                                 -Letter to banks
                                       -Interest rates
                                             -Credit Control Act
                                 -Statement
                                       -Credit Control Act
                                             -Federal Reserve Board [FRB]
                           -Connally's possible letter to American Bankers Association
                                 -Leroy Hall

                -Auto industry
                      -Possible statement
                            -President’s attempt to call Connally, August 16, 1971
                                  -Connally’s location
                            -McCracken
                            -The President’s role
                -Public reaction
                      -Voluntary cooperation
                      -Stock market
                      -Leadership
                -President's forthcoming meeting with Congressmen, August 17, 1971
                      -Congressional action
                            -Economic action
                                  -Timing
                      -Bipartisanship effort
                      -International monetary situation
                            -Negotiations on exchange rates
                            -Stabilization
                      -Connally's role
                            -Taxes
                                  -John S. Nolan, Walker
                                  -Mills
                                        -Forthcoming hearings
                                  -Relief
                                        -Budget
                      -Business
                            -Beneficiaries
                                  -Labor
                                  -Government
                                  -Workers
                                  -Stockholders
                                  -Average American
                                  -Mills’s view
                      -Proxmire
                            -Hearings
                                  -Referring legislation

The President and Connally left and Butterfield entered at 10:35 am.

     President's speeches
          -Safire

           -George W. Romney
           -Roosevelt
                 -The President’s and Connally’s view
           -Ehrlichman
                 -John F. Osborne
                 -Agnew

Butterfield left at 10:38 am.

Haldeman, Colson and the President left at 10:39 am.

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Are you sure you don't know about the mustard?
No.
I'm going to be fresh.
All right.
We should have the birthday mustard with the calisthenics.
Yeah.
It's happening.
We're going to check it now.
Make sure we...
It's a nice one, isn't it?
The president gave you a Sapphire yesterday.
Sapphire was back in his office redoing the whole speech based on the president's comments on those two drafts.
While Price is down the hall working on redoing the candidate.
I didn't know until 10 of 8.
Sapphire called me and said, hey, what do you think of the presentation?
because other people are all here.
Oh, I did tell him.
I'm surprised he was the only advice, because he doesn't know what to get out of it.
He's been working on it from the beginning.
Yeah.
So of course, I sent the president stuff.
He had sent Sapphire to work with, plus Sapphire's new doctors.
The president said he wanted my aid.
And he got it out in a year.
And so that's what that was.
That was the message.
I didn't know.
He, when I called him, he had called me and I didn't get the message, so when I called back, when I called later, he said, well, he'd been trying to reach me and find out about that, that you had gone and hurt someone, and he had the sentence.
But earlier, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just,
Yes, he did.
And I gave him to him.
And I handed him to him and he started breathing again until he cooked him in his hand.
That was both of the Robert's speeches.
They had the two speeches.
There's a little book here.
Oh, I don't want to hear that.
I mean, I read a lot.
When we had you originally, we should have arrived at the helipad in Wall Street at 7 o'clock, 710, which would be after the traffic, after the traffic.
We'd get you to the hotel at 730 and give you an hour before you go down to the hotel.
Back to the two o'clock.
Well, we'll see Henry, too.
Well, that's it.
I've got to do that.
They've got two of these features that are under the bar.
So I'm going to have to say.
Just do it again.
Let's go.
Then they did what's important.
2.30 is about the latest you can leave in this traffic.
You can go at 2.30 or 5.30.
Of course, if I had to see somebody, I had to see them, you know.
Sure.
Let's try to put the lean heart on the happy ending.
I went to the, uh, did you mind, to the, uh, leadership meeting.
You have to do it again.
County specifically said he had to have Walker.
So he's written Walker, but that's .
He said he knew it had a familiar ring, but he spent tracking and tracking and he finally tracked it down.
That was Levin's program.
And the people, there was a reform, middle class reform that suspended the communist theory and brought in an incentive program on a limited period of time.
And the people who practiced it were called NEPs, N-E-P. And when Trotsky was kicked out, I said, we need to work.
We've never gotten any of our words across.
We've done this.
We've done this.
We're not going to cross.
So I wouldn't worry about it.
Stop and kill them all.
It's the biggest change in economic policy.
It's inevitable because he's the only other president that did any of that crap.
Or remembering that he doesn't like the same thing, or that the same thing he used to get into the biggest social programs in 40 years.
It's actually incredible.
I think this is not
He looked at the paper this morning.
He saw how people know it's him.
See, open in this paper, that's all there is.
As you can't sit in that cover sheet.
It's doubtful that the declaration of God will get as much coverage.
I really doubt it.
I think it might have gotten rushed.
It would have been far more people would have been right with this subject than there are now.
to make it cover so many different things.
But it should have done it.
God, it's an incredible call.
I'm going to blow this up.
The only other item that I don't think anybody is the Productivity Commission meeting on September 21st, which George is moving ahead on now.
He says now, in his view, it's got
because you can't bring those people together and not get into it.
And what he likes to do is make it a two-day meeting.
So as to give it that kind of emphasis from George, he built it up quite a bit.
He thinks it would be a good move for us to do.
But the idea is that you would see him at some point in a meeting and then probably have a reception for him or something like that.
But include ways, consciously include ways to talk to her rather than
I was the third to see a can of vodka.
A White House state circuit that I was seen uncomfortable watching on TV.
Of course, we always say, they just made it up.
They don't really make up the exact place.
You know what I mean?
It just doesn't go.
Who the hell is this around here that has to do that sort of thing?
I just, I could not think of a rap like that.
We saw it in Chicago.
My God, I have a strong eye.
Because that is what I need to do.
It's what I'm trying to do.
I'm trying to say, up and down the damn wall, that'll do it.
You see, he reads that, and he thinks it's a little bleep in the white office, and he's trying to undermine it.
You know?
Now, God damn it, Bill.
That's a terrible thing for somebody to say, isn't it?
Well, plus it's a terrible thing if it's like saying, saying, Washington also must really feel terrible now, or something like that.
God damn it, Bill.
You should shut up.
How can you get that fucking staff together and talk to each other?
Can you do that?
Yep.
Have you done it?
Yep.
On this mission?
Yes.
And I'll do it again if I listen.
Yeah, they listen.
The big staff.
The problem is I don't get the right people, I'm sure.
No, I'm not sure.
Because there's enough people.
There's so many anti-ethnic people.
And it comes up and just...
We don't want to be the more they get the more chance they're sharing his staff.
Well, get around dirty.
Why not?
I'm going to show this.
I'm going to stay on it.
I don't understand.
One thing I would like to get back to is regarding the initiative.
I think that you ought to have somebody still in that way of trying to, other than Ron, who feels oppressing and all that kind of thing.
Basically, if it's about what he said, Ron is the man to do it.
If it's about where you can't say anything about me,
You know what I mean?
are highly enthusiastic, but you know, this was when we, when Gerard interviewed us today, and put him on the phone with Donald, and he does it just on his injury.
He's trying to get a point.
I said, God damn, tell him it was right.
Right, right, right, that's what I mean.
Gerard, you know, you better get him off of that.
I know he doesn't need to be happy then, but he is not the man to report it, except for his hard moves.
Then he's the only man to do it.
He's the only man to
moved, which is like what a 3-0 record in the line of report moved.
And you kind of get a recline that's just bad.
Worse.
Worse.
Worse.
It really is.
They have much better reclines there as well.
So apparently they're very interesting.
They don't get many lines.
He just can't bring himself to go overboard.
Right.
Right.
Who could do it?
Scali.
Oh, Scali can do it damn well.
Dave Moore does it well.
And Scali is the most believable.
Why don't you get any men out here dating on this trip?
See, that's what Ron does.
He says, let's put a skeleton to that sort of meeting like that.
Have you go over to the Winston State Department?
Have you go over to the girls' station?
Have you go over to the things where he can go out and report a move?
Or will he?
I don't think he has to.
No, he will, because he gets excited about it.
Scali is, you know, he's got, he's emotional anyway.
He runs, you know, he's a psychiatrist, a chiropractor, perhaps.
Well, you can even blow that out of his damn right at times.
Well, it's especially good coming from a guy who has the credentials that Scali's got.
I don't know what report you're getting, but they're having, it seems to me, and I know they don't expect too many, but it seems to me that any half-assed advance ought to get more than $600,000.
And, you know, I mean, I think this probably proves why you can't just let these people who aren't really advancing.
Could something be done, or you might not?
Remember, I asked you about the anti-advance.
You know, that's what I wondered about, if our people, our people know how to do it.
It's a technique, and with her, it's, you just can't put it in the paper for free.
It's a very different thing.
Then you should have some human experience, and she shakes hands with people.
She has a phone call.
The phone can be very good with her, too.
I wonder if you...
You want to change the department today about 1230?
I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't know.
He's coming back.
He's coming back.
He's coming back.
He's coming back.
He's coming back.
They said, I didn't quite understand that thing.
Smith said they're history.
They've got you so far off that they think that some of the lefties are in there or something.
They see, I'm sure they see China as a, you know, the little professional sister fucking trade association, and the guys that have the vested interest in it and gotta give money, they see China as it may be a chance to revive them.
Get more people stirred up again.
They're gonna have a hell of a time selling you as a communist defeater and then just drag on in China.
Although they've done it before, you know, because you're,
Well, what is it about him?
We have a number of, a number of things going on in the spread of the buggy.
We're going to have to see if that turns off.
Before this meeting, we're going to have to have this meeting come in at 20 after 10, for it's, uh, maybe 10.
All right.
Good to put it in.
Good to see it.
Okay.
Uh, some of the leaders who are here, we haven't been very well getting space in the newspaper, but if you want to think of that, it's going to be a damn poor chance.
Television was terrible.
We only took 98% of the available time listening.
The, uh, some of the in-depth, uh, in, uh, some of it was the television, uh, play, which was very, I think, very well.
I think it was very insomniac, actually.
The only thing is, though, only everything is building positively, and, uh, there, our people have been so much more on than, than their people have been.
And there aren't any there equally, except the only thing that's building this thing, it looks like it's going to set and do really well, is pick up from means that are not available to pick up.
Yeah, let's do the work.
I want to talk about that.
I guess I'm surprised our people didn't have to do that.
Who was the one that was for it?
Now, the only way to really get at this sort of thing is by attack.
You don't get at it by a half-assed statement by Schultz or Strachan or anything else.
You do this to mean, uh, this is dishonest, hypocritical.
That's the way to call it.
Get somebody that's dishonest, hypocritical.
What is he?
He's just a partisan immigrant.
And why does he, he said he was for this, and here we've done it.
Now, what's what's matters is because he's a Democrat, I think he needs to be really a solid, and also the Democrat version, and be the white guy.
There's no reason to let that line second.
Why doesn't it occur to a lot of our people that it's a trap, doesn't that happen?
Yeah, it's a trap.
That's a trap, you know.
George Shultz, George Shultz talked about going in Thursday to the AFL-CIO meeting and just raising hell with them, and
He gets stung now, he gets stung now.
That's not true.
Oh, sure.
Oh, that would get a hell of a lot.
He won't lose anybody attacking him now.
Yeah.
No, I mean, that's not, he's not.
He's probably waiting to check.
Yeah, but if he goes in there swinging, he can come out and get to the cameras.
That's right.
And they'll all be there watching for him.
I think you ought to attack the Democrats like Humphrey and others, Humphrey and Thurman, and there, you know, it's obvious now.
Here's, we've gone further than that curve.
It's obvious now.
They're unmasked.
But it turns out that they didn't give a damn about killing him.
They were only interested
The only man, if you haven't got any writers, that's the trouble, Chuck.
Get Buchanan to write something on this.
Now, if Buchanan is great at that,
It's stuff that I can't use for the people.
You know, those agonist speeches, and they weren't bad.
You want to get vicious?
I can get vicious with these guys.
I would attack the Democrats.
That would keep their heads below water.
Don't you think so?
Yes, sir.
I know that we haven't got people making statements for hundreds of years, but isn't it interesting to pause these statements?
By our side, we just get the clutter out in one paragraph.
The Republican politicians cannot get in the news unless they go out on all
and the other side is not.
I've seen Jerry at a meeting today.
If Jerry would do this, and he could, there's no reason how Jerry can't come out on one like this and just say, all right, in fact, these guys.
But Jerry, he's got a lot of discussion.
He can hit the critics.
The way he can do it is, I pray, is a bipartisan show of the chair of Wilberman's.
This is a sharp contrast.
to the, not the law, but to the shocking, almost unbelievable partisanship.
They are far different than those who put a party above them.
After all, who here, out in the presence of China, should put a party above them?
Make it legal?
They didn't.
Make them then deny it.
Well, we were approved.
That's the way to get at it.
Here they are.
We're trying to get some of the people who come out of here today to get before cameras.
There won't be a briefing, but we'll get them individually.
Ken Ballou is talking to some of them now to get good, strong statements.
Wallace Bennett is...
I remember I dealt with Frank McClendon, and I noticed an aesthetical eye mark, and it was something I was probably the only thing the president really understood, and that's over in my olden words, over here, he went, Jesus Christ, who was that?
Frank McClendon, who's the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the,
Yeah.
Typical of the way they look.
They're all debt collectors.
Who are the people that are bringing up the rear?
Who are the people that are pissing on them?
Who are the people that are...
They're Republicans.
I just would say in this context, I'm one of the great advocates of attacking oldest.
I concur with that.
I do think this story has two ways to unfold.
One is enormous support, and that's a wrong public sentiment for what you did, or immediate controversy over it.
Oh, I agree with that.
Let me say that.
I agree with that.
on our side, but it will become controversy if you allow the Democratic attacks, too little and too late, the Republicans pissing on it, to get big.
That's all I mean.
I'm just attacking men.
I'm just attacking men.
As I said, force them to hold the water.
But there's something, see?
But don't assume, Chuck, do not assume that it's just going to be enormous.
It doesn't happen that way.
You've got to kick a ball like me.
We can take the buzz off of me, and I'm not at all engrossed in doing that.
We gotta keep labor in mind.
It's had an enormous impact, and it's shown this country right to its foundations.
And if we want to continue with policy, not the country, the world, we must continue with policy.
But we've got to tackle it.
Yes, we know that.
Chuck, I know the media so well.
I know the media so well.
I can see in the offices of Time and Newsweek
I have to say this, Mr. President, it is for the first time
in the past two years, grudging admiration on the part of your enemies.
It's not the first time that you get grudging admiration.
Well, all the time.
Every goal we make lasts about 17 seconds, and then they figure out how we find our way out.
There's more than I've seen of that.
There's a few in the bike races.
Oh, yeah, but it's bullshit.
Grudging admiration all the time.
It was grudging admiration all the time.
The only theory I would say to you, Mr. President,
a point at which even people who hate us, ideologically hate us, every other way hate us, have got to get on a bandwagon.
And I just think there's a little bit of that going on right now.
Some of the negativism that you get, these guys are a little bit afraid of it.
I think you've swept a hell of a lot of people off their feet with this.
It's not polyamory.
Right.
Well, it's not going to get any better, but we all know, we all know the chart that they're in.
It's basically, you know, it's a battle.
Oh, sure it is.
And they look upon it, uh, you know, I was interested to know the way they really did it, how they were ready to refuse.
That's part of the point.
Well, they replayed it.
They replayed it very well.
Did they?
That doesn't hold the fact that we have to keep the heat under them.
If they find any hole, they start tearing us apart if they will.
We've just got to keep our pressure on all the way.
The main thing that will happen is the country general just responds.
Nothing moves along.
Nothing will stop the police.
Your housing figure today is going to give it a hell of a joke.
The whole damn country.
Of course, Chelsea sits here at the damn housing.
He didn't have to do it.
It was all going to work anyway.
Yeah, well, he's right.
I think it was.
But we did have to do it.
He's wrong.
He knows he's wrong.
He's got a concept.
He knows Milton Friedman's wrong, and Milton Friedman knows he's wrong.
Yeah, but Milton Friedman was very positive.
He wasn't.
He really was good.
And why is this?
They just needed
Well, I'll tell you why they shot more than China's for them.
I don't believe they, China shot them and it appealed to their own ideological instincts.
But I don't think they thought it was a bread and butter, nut cutting, win or lose, do or die issue.
This one they did.
And if they feel you pulled the rug out on this one successfully,
The President has a long, you know, that's something 30 years from now will make a difference.
It won't change anything today.
The President will help, and China will help for the reason that they're doing it now.
And peace and leadership.
You put the two together, Mr. President, and that's...
as we move people out that we're working on.
Forget about the tendency now, and that's the thing, there's a strong, we really gotta work on it with everybody.
We really gotta have someone sit down with them right before they go out.
Each guy, McCracken and all those guys especially, because the tendency now is going to be to talk about
your tuition at the higher price or the lower price if you already have your deposit and it's all low.
That's the most of my work.
Which is the very thing we don't want to do?
Which don't matter.
We don't want to do it?
We don't.
I'm sure as hell don't.
The main thing is the broad suite.
But when our guys are talking, they should not be allowing themselves to get into the airship.
They should rush off of it.
They'd ask one of the vice presidents on television.
He ought to just say, is he off?
Yes, sir.
I don't know what, you know, that's, he'll spend their time.
He can just, at first, you're going to work that out, the OEB setting up the mechanics for that.
The important thing here is that we've got a hold of this.
Get right back to the positive.
And he can turn every question around.
We've got the Vice President on Sunday.
We've got different people.
We've got Conley who can do the station.
Again?
Yes, sir.
He did the goddamn thing.
He's never done the station, and it's a different audience.
Oh, the morning show.
Morning show.
Jesus Christ.
Sorry.
Well, make sure they treat him right with some of the dishes.
They will.
That program is better controlled than most.
Yeah.
He did a background yesterday, a script of the columnist with Conley, and I wasn't there, but I'm told he did a superb job, and he...
has been holding and did a good job until also with the sub-cabinet or something like that.
Right.
And the only thing I want to do is get them out front, okay?
Were there some conservatives in that columnist group?
Yes, sir.
Because that's, Arthurs will carry a lot of weight with the conservatives.
Yes, and we've got a problem with them for some degree because of recent saying.
Well, but Arthurs did.
I know, but they, you're right about the problem.
They
He had an accident.
The only thing I wanted to do was get him out of the car earlier, but... We may use him, but don't worry about Arthur.
He's going to leave the incident with Arthur.
I'm not a guy.
We might have an accident with this one.
No.
This is right at the bottom.
There's a problem.
There's something wrong.
It shouldn't be done.
I agree with you.
I don't want a negative, partisan party.
And the best way to hit it, Mr. President, frankly, is if they're out of step with the great mood of the American people.
The thing that we want... And also, if I had hit the Democrats, I'd concrete and must...
You might say that you all said it, and then they can deny it.
Well, the piece in the Sarah last night, that huge article on how they had reacted, they were stunned, couldn't say anything, had nothing to say.
That will take over.
The thing that has to come out of it, it is terribly important to the success of this, and it's terribly important to the leadership in this,
And it is happening, and we've got to encourage it.
It's this feeling of lift, all this lift, this feeling of lift.
Well, Chuck's got a hell of a song, too.
Oh, yeah.
For example, all the people that I talked to yesterday, they said it's fresh air, they're relieved.
It's exhilaration.
It goes beyond that.
They're just... Everybody's been...
Sir, there's been this artificial sealant that squeezed everybody down.
All of a sudden, you open it.
Now they're cracked open.
And there was something holding them down, except the artificial sealant.
Before this, the war was holding them down.
We started cutting that out of the way.
And then this came along.
This is when we began.
This thing is hot.
Now you've got this off.
Now there really isn't anything to hold it back.
There aren't any other big things.
The peace and the economy, there are no bigger issues.
Because the primaries were handling well.
A lot of the drivers were handling well.
They can do a lot of crime and drugs and pollution and black people.
You've got a lot of little issues that they can worry about.
But the question is, you've got the war and the economy.
What if there's something else?
But on the other side, we'll be the same.
You've got to write off some statements anyway.
Not, you know, some of this and this and that.
So, we need to find out who's out of suspense.
Hi, how are you?
I'm great.
How are you, sir?
Are you going to sleep tonight?
Yes, sir.
I've got to sleep tonight.
Well, we were just talking about the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh, the, uh,
I wasn't good to meet you.
There hasn't been a press conference since this time of year.
As they said, even though I'm so smirky.
I think it's a hell of an audience.
I think really there that I think the meeting at Housewives
There's one point of pain that I'd like to see from you.
I'll wait for the person.
We don't need the, you know, they're trying to, they keep saying, we made a delay to say, why didn't we control illustrates?
Well, we know why we didn't.
But I think that, frankly, maybe you ought to find a way to demagogue us along that and say that you sent a letter to all banks or something.
as I understand it, you can't control it.
You can't hold it in the right place.
You can't do the job alone.
Yes, sir.
I think that's the point.
First, the law will not allow us to.
What I'm getting at is, I will not let them get away with the idea that we're letting banks control the labor costs, because it's unfair.
You know, and some legislators are coming down for it, I understand.
Yes, sir.
But you know how to do that?
Yes.
Don't make mistakes now.
We can't do it.
You can do it indirectly.
You can break the pro-life through the faith.
No question, sir.
We can all spirit this.
I'll write to American Factors Associates.
I'll write to all the factors that are out.
I urge the spirit of this.
We have urged corporations to limit it to us.
We are urging that.
I tried to call you last night.
This is San Susi.
So I said that.
Now, I just got word from Mr. Gordon that you didn't go to the San Susi.
He's going to the Reeve-Gauchy.
That's right.
Well, anyway, I was so glad to hear that.
This is going to be a lot of fun.
If we could get them to wait for that morning.
But the main thing is to make, the main thing is to have it make news.
Well, maybe the president should say, I congratulate the, I should put on a statement, I congratulate the auto industry for their spirit.
That's my little line.
For the strong set they've taken and got on the spirit track.
You see what I'm getting at?
It's a uniform of voluntary cooperation, John, it's a secret agreement.
I was asking Aaron Ellis what really has happened in these last couple of days.
And I heard that you both could, and we didn't know.
I'm not sure.
I read it, but maybe it's not right to do it now.
And the funny thing is, what has happened is it's changed the spirit of the country.
What do you think?
What's your judgment?
You've got the reins in your hands.
You're in the driver's seat.
It's that simple.
And you don't want to leave it.
It's frequently the most important.
Or you're leaving them so long as you're leaving them.
Unfortunately, this is true.
This is why these demagogues and these socialists are not going to leave people in the socialist direction.
If they're strong enough, they can leave them.
Now, on this meeting today, I don't know if she's in the plan.
I thought I heard this before.
I said, now the key to this program is that it's universal.
It is vitally important that it all go together.
I have acted where I could act.
But now the key is for the Congress to act where it can act.
And for the country to know now that the Congress
investing and so forth will be made now rather than delayed by the Congress Act.
So first we need fast action, but second, if we could have an earnest money or blah, blah, blah, we're not satisfied.
And that we, and I want to emphasize that we do, this is a bipartisan request, credit is for everybody.
If it works, we all get credit, if it doesn't work,
the kind of basis we need or support or something like that.
Let me interject one of the thoughts.
Did you say, John, that you discussed our international situation with respect to new exchange rates and the stabilization of the whole international monetary situation depends on carrying out our commission program?
Right.
In other words, we've got to succeed in making the American economy
or we can't, or we can't carry out our national negotiations.
Right.
Right.
Okay.
And then I would turn, I would turn to you.
Or what do you want me to do?
Well, you want me to just go out and say it, or do you want me to just pick it up?
No, I, well, I will, I'll just, I don't, I won't get into each other.
You can go ahead and say I'm on the tax front, and here is what we want to do, or maybe you can go ahead
Well, that's what I meant.
that this truck is going to be sent for you or me or somebody.
That we need action.
Oh, yes.
And also, not only do we need hearings.
Oh, the other thing I think needs to get across is that we have to, that we want this action to be taken.
but that it must be taken expeditiously and responsibly to both bodies.
That we, of course, are not demanding and don't dot an I across the G, but we thought this through.
And for the amount of tax relief to be increased so that it exceeds the budget then would be a mistake.
What I'm getting at is I think we've got to try to get them committed to the fact that they aren't going to just
Just sandbag this thing by loading it and putting a Christmas tree on it.
Do you think that would be all right?
There's only one other point.
This is Michael.
I'll make a speech and finish my conversation and go, but I notice laborers get it all on the basis of, well, we did so much for business.
When you do something for the American industry, this may not be the time to talk about it.
Who do you do it for?
Who gets the money?
If you talk to the American industry, the American business, it's not the department that makes the money, it's the company that makes the money.
It's the first people to get a bite of the workers.
They're the ones who get the big share written before anybody else gets any of that.
Then I'd ask for the stockholders, and they're the big corporations.
There are tens of thousands and millions of them.
So when you talk about doing something for business, who are you doing it for?
You're doing it for the average man, to be sure.
So this is, I don't know if this is the place to say it, but in most cases, that's how they might get the stage on that stuff.
Well, I think that's right, Harry.
But not as well.
But the point is that basically, as far as business is concerned, putting it another way, when you do anything for business, well, the percent that so-called businessmen get out of it is very small, out of that whole pot.
Half of it goes to the government, which means enabling us to buy food stamps.
They're cleaning up the ghettos.
including funds and all that.
One creates real jobs, except only out of God.
There's no such thing as business, I'd say.
That's a black piece of paper.
It's a corporation.
The only thing that's big business is maybe $20,000.
That means just stockholders, a little higher half of the stockholders, and the rest goes to wingers and jobs and stuff.
And then it turns to the
That's millions of people, not thousands.
And what are you talking about, Mr. Snowden?
Three seats for $3,000 to get it all.
The cover, the stockholders, and the workmen in the fast-fishing plant.
Somehow we've got to save this track and bring it to keep Southern Miss out.
We've got a wheel in the street where most of the people are driving, sharing the range, but the does have to go in for this.
One technical point you may get into it or may want to figure out how to avoid, and that is that you've got parks and are holding joint economic committee hearings starting Thursday.
You don't have them here.
You have the
But the point is, these people would like to be told, I would think, that you're going to refer your legislation to their committee, sir.
Oh, I don't know.
Oh, I don't know.
We've got your son, as it sure is, off the track.
But, uh, like I say, I'm gonna get it going on the cars.
I mean, better go park, stop our auto completely.
Nothing could be worse.
It's not going to be worse.
For God's sake, how do you... You don't... You want to say that this is supposed to be... Oh, I understand.
Don't say it's supposed to be.
It's supposed to be.
It's something else.
It's supposed to be.
It's supposed to be.
The other person on the left row, do you have any questions?
I've just had a meeting.
I've just had a meeting.
I've just had a meeting.
I've just had a meeting.
I've just had a meeting.
I've just had a meeting.
I don't know.
I don't know.
Thank you.