Nixon, Haldeman & Kissinger on Economic Policy and US-USSR Relations

2:55:49Yeah, you can talk to him.
2:55:52I'll get this back.
2:55:53Please.
2:55:54Tommy, what is this?
2:56:30What you do is simply go visit a campsite, look at the lake, and I want you to know, sir, you do not obtain anything out of that.
2:57:00You're all alone.
2:57:00You've got a cabinet all to yourself.
2:57:01You and Julie live in a very nice house currently, and it's isolated from the other area, and that's it.
2:57:03And you have lots of time to see all that out there.
2:57:47It's a remarkable government.
2:58:23But it's your cell phone.
2:58:24I don't want to say that.
2:58:24You're going to say it in 40 seconds, is it?
2:58:25I don't think you should.
2:58:26I'm not going to prefer it.
2:58:26You shouldn't use the numbers anyway.
2:58:27But I want them.
2:58:27I want them.
2:58:28That's the way you get them all done.
2:58:58I've been through them all.
2:58:59Oh, at least it was on Italian.
2:58:59Because, you know, they were talking about speaking for 10 minutes.
2:59:01And I've been in them all before the collection.
2:59:02I didn't get confirmed in all the parts I've been sawed here on it.
2:59:03George Hill.
2:59:03I've been in Louisiana.
2:59:04Mississippi.
2:59:30They may not be counting like Massachusetts and Rhode Island.
2:59:32Rhode Island, I would think they would have counted.
2:59:33I can see why they might not count Massachusetts.
2:59:34I'll turn it up because our trip models are more down to just those.
3:00:16It's on down here.
3:00:43This is Munster, South Dakota, isn't it?
3:00:44Oh, yeah, the college library.
3:00:45Library.
3:00:45General Eagle College.
3:00:45We've done Minnesota, Wisconsin.
3:00:46Yeah, this is in the campaign.
3:00:46Green Bank.
3:00:47Green Bank.
3:00:47That's right.
3:00:47We've got a town for a holiday to keep this true, but... Go ahead.
3:00:48We've got some possible events in the next three weeks to keep the momentum here.
3:01:15We've got to remember to revive it again.
3:01:16Your point is to make speeches.
3:01:17Our people have got to say, we're fighting the plague.
3:01:56Because if you get all this boost now, then if you get a recharge on it, the Congress comes back because it'll get a whole new thing.
3:01:59It's a congressional thing.
3:01:59It starts going again.
3:02:00The market at 230 was up 10 points.
3:02:00It started at 899.
3:02:01It may bust to 900.
3:02:27It's, uh, it's picking up steam through the day rather than losing it, so.
3:02:29Yeah.
3:02:29It's amazing.
3:02:29Oh, boy.
3:02:29I think it smells like a specialist in the lab.
3:02:30See, somebody had this smell.
3:03:39The content of it was that negative.
3:03:39It really wasn't.
3:03:40It was a question about media attack, violent proportions.
3:03:41Well, I think it really was.
3:03:41So what he did is launch a media attack back the other way, really.
3:03:43I really think that's it.
3:03:43It's the media, isn't it?
3:04:24I don't have anybody, but I agree with the editor now, and I have to do so much of it myself.
3:04:59You gotta find one guy.
3:05:32I don't really want him to come back.
3:05:33Because this guy right here, I think he may be a, what we call a speech giver, rather than a speech writer, the guy.
3:05:35Okay.
3:05:35Come on.
3:05:36Come on, let's talk before the meeting, before 11.
3:05:37Yeah, I understand what that was like.
3:05:38I'll have to get a lot of firecrackers to do the reading.
3:05:39Well, they agreed to the signing date of the, I don't know if I should ever worry about it.
3:06:07to work it out.
3:06:09On the summit, he says he's got to go back.
3:06:11He looked at the draft, and he said that looks fine to him.
3:06:15But he isn't authorized to agree to it.
3:06:19But he thinks there's no problem.
3:06:55We'll never get credit for it, but this is significant.
3:06:56Oh, yeah, he's in good form.
3:06:57Oh, he's a good man.
3:07:27in a big way when he moved.
3:07:28I said, yes, in everything.
3:07:28I said, it's dangerous to crowd him.
3:07:30And I think that's the lesson.
3:07:31There's still a lot of people on the door from this.
3:07:33I don't know.
3:07:33I think it's true.
3:07:50But what that meant to me, Rockefeller was almost beside himself.
3:07:54Well, he could be more honest with me than with you.
3:07:57Anyway, it's... all he said is a revolution.
3:08:33and the rest.
3:08:33But on the other hand, what I think will save us is that the economy, even if we haven't done this, is going to move.
3:08:35But we have to get the country to need a psychological lift that free living gets done.
3:08:37This is more psychology.
3:08:37The country needs a psychological lift.
3:08:38This gives them a psychological lift.
3:08:39Every day is one of the icing on the cake.
3:08:40It doesn't matter when we get it.
3:09:02It's time that they got here.
3:09:02The media has just really, I guess, been thinking about what they put us through.
3:09:04They put this country through, not only through our communities, but through the last couple of years of Johnson.
3:09:07But they've already done that.
3:09:08These young kids and the rest, that's why the kids have gone bad.
3:09:09It's absolutely unconscionable.
3:09:10And one could see that they were trying to say,
3:09:40The minute you took that away from them, they shifted to the economy.
3:09:43They were weeks when you didn't hear about the economy.
3:09:46Suddenly, they started this.
3:09:48Now they've lost the economy.
3:09:49They'd rather go back to foreign policy, for at least.
3:09:53Then we'll put them between the eyes again.
3:10:08Oh, uh, that stuff.
3:10:08What was the date of the victory?
3:10:09May 22nd.
3:10:09They won't go around with you again, Mr. President.
3:10:10They didn't announce it on September 15th.
3:10:11Well, it's like I gave them an extra day, 50 per 60.
3:10:12If you let me give them another day, you'll have to decide on the 22nd, and I'll give you a choice.
3:10:14Well, then you should do research, and it's a good day.
3:10:45Yeah, he said, why don't you set a date with China?
3:10:48I said, well, he was relaxed.
3:10:51He said, are they making demands?
3:10:54I knew they always make demands.
3:10:55And I said, no, it's a very satisfactory relationship.
3:11:01And he said, you know, we want you to know we're trying to restrain the Indians.
3:11:05That's a good thing.
3:11:06I don't think he wants to tie himself to those.
3:11:14to discuss China and Peking, India and Peking.
3:11:15I said, look, I won't go into what I discussed in Peking, but we have our own fish to drive in Peking.
3:11:17That's true.
3:11:17Well, what other plans now?
3:11:18Are you going to go to California and stay?
3:11:19No, no.
3:11:53again on September 13th.
3:11:55I don't expect much to happen until the election.
3:12:00I won't go.
3:12:03Well, it was a close call.
3:12:06The reason I
3:12:28We had offered them eight points and hit them.
3:12:32If they don't attack, then we have got through the Vietnamese election campaign without being hit, without them to be affected.
3:12:42And I have to go anyway to set up my trip and to get the details begun for you.
3:12:46So for all these reasons, it's a close decision, though.
3:12:50I will not go again after that.
3:13:04It has one advantage.
3:13:06If we go on the 11th or 13th, I get these two alternates.
3:13:11It has, it has, and then we don't settle it, which I don't think we will.
3:13:18Then on the 15th and 16th, they get hit with a Russian announcement.
3:13:24That can be a real show to them.
3:13:29Awesome.
3:13:40He said to me it will make a settlement more slow, but more sure.
3:13:43And he's absolutely right.
3:13:47I think part of their stalling is to show us that they were not pressured into it by the Chinese.
3:13:58What they will see, Mr. President, is that their two big allies are dealing with us before the war in Vietnam is ended.
3:14:12is to make sure that they don't screw it all up because they obviously have their own fish to fry.
3:14:18So even if the Soviet Union doesn't do anything, it brings direct pressure.
3:14:26The mere fact that they are seeing you, that they're pushing you, pushing them on page 50 again for a month or two while people are yakking them, I should be changing this again.
3:14:39We've got them off the front pages, no matter what happens, until the middle of November.
3:14:43I asked them for their address, I think, probably early in October.
3:14:46What do you say?
3:14:47Anything we say, they'll do.
3:14:48End of September.
3:15:08Announce the Russian summit and then two weeks later announce the Japanese summit.
3:15:10That would make it about September 29th.
3:15:11Yeah, September 30th.
3:15:11Well, September 30th we had the accidental war signing.
3:15:13Oh, I see.
3:15:13Well, then... Well, my good man, it isn't all that important.
3:15:14We could announce it September 20th.
3:15:15Yeah, I'd say September 20th.
3:15:16Go a week after the Russian thing.
3:15:39A little bit later, the other Russians will leave.
3:16:02No, Bill, he's got to deal with us.
3:16:02I mean, he's got to deal with us for a while now.
3:16:03You know, these Democrats haven't had enough sauce in a bad way, too.
3:16:05I mean, despite their heartache and the old hungry and the now hungry's battle, a little bit, Muskie and Teddy haven't said a word about this economic.
3:16:08I mean, here's the biggest economic story in 30 years.
3:16:09In fact, it's taken two days.
3:16:37which I think will get the news, isn't it?
3:16:38Big news, man, who gets it done.
3:16:39You know, why didn't he get it?
3:16:40Why does he get off on the Viagra kick and not this kick?
3:16:42What gets into him?
3:16:56He is outdated, Mr. President.
3:16:57I don't think that's the matter anymore.
3:17:01I think, but if you manage to think...
3:17:06I mean, we are really within sight now.
3:17:08If I were in Hanoi, I just wouldn't... First of all, we've made Vietnam a small country in Asia.
3:17:21foreign policy Johnson had, and therefore the slightest twitch was a headline.
3:17:29I mean, now if they start twitching and screwing up the peace trips of a president, what can they do?
3:17:38I mean, supposing they start an attack while you're preparing to go to Peking, which would be the 10th period.
3:17:46I wouldn't bet that the American public would turn against you.
3:17:52They might do it against Sam at that point.

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